So...Why did God create man?

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The very idea of Jesus being God-incarnate and "dying for the sins of the world" only implies nihilism, meaninglessness to everything (not just this world but all forms of existence). For there even to need to be an atonement of sin implies God sending Prophets prior to Jesus (from Genesis to Malachi) to have no purpose, to be defacto senseless. The very central doctrine of mainstream Christianity makes God's creation of man and the universe, innately meaningless. There will never be any chance of me accepting Christianity again, I reject it with all of my being, it is repulsive and offensive.
At the same time, I do love Jesus and appreciate the Bible a lot. It's a shame that Christians make a mockery of the Bible and Jesus though.
God sent His prophets for a purpose...to get hearts changed back to Him.

There is nothing meaningless in Jesus sacrifice..it really is the only thing that matters! The world is under the control...we can see it in all the symbolism..of the devil and he is trying to deceive people about God and God’s Son because he knows what is really at stake for every living person....eternal punishment or eternal life..that’s huge!!!!!

You love a different Jesus then and you are not saved..that’s too bad. :(
 





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The very idea of Jesus being God-incarnate and "dying for the sins of the world" only implies nihilism, meaninglessness to everything (not just this world but all forms of existence). For there even to need to be an atonement of sin implies God sending Prophets prior to Jesus (from Genesis to Malachi) to have no purpose, to be defacto senseless. The very central doctrine of mainstream Christianity makes God's creation of man and the universe, innately meaningless. There will never be any chance of me accepting Christianity again, I reject it with all of my being, it is repulsive and offensive.
At the same time, I do love Jesus and appreciate the Bible a lot. It's a shame that Christians make a mockery of the Bible and Jesus though.
But if you know what happens, why reject it because if I were you, I would start praying, and most likely feeling fear. God did say to serve him fearfully, and that's what I do. The other day, I was getting tempted quite a lot, and if I didn't have the fear of God in me, I would've gave in, and not even care about sinning because it'd feel like pleasure, but then at my last breath, I'd be crying out just like that rich man who ended up in the flames as he seen Lazarus and Abraham sleeping in the Lords presence. Nope. I'm trying to serve him and endure to the end. Not even just to be saved. But to actually experience that loving intimate relationship with him. People be praying to God with their mouths, but their hearts are far from him. Now, I really don't know about you, but like I said, if I were you, I would try to get my relationship with Christ back!
 





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God sent His prophets for a purpose...to get hearts changed back to Him.

There is nothing meaningless in Jesus sacrifice..it really is the only thing that matters! The world is under the control...we can see it in all the symbolism..of the devil and he is trying to deceive people about God and God’s Son because he knows what is really at stake for every living person....eternal punishment or eternal life..that’s huge!!!!!

You love a different Jesus then and you are not saved..that’s too bad. :(
Yep, what you've been saying is correct and either those other people don't understand it, or they just go against it.
 





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God sent His prophets for a purpose...to get hearts changed back to Him.
Ok, so there is no need for Jesus or he was just like the Prophets before him.

There is nothing meaningless in Jesus sacrifice..it really is the only thing that matters!
On the contrary, there is nothing meaningful about "Jesus sacrifice" in your worldview.

The world is under the control...we can see it in all the symbolism..of the devil and he is trying to deceive people about God and God’s Son because he knows what is really at stake for every living person....eternal punishment or eternal life..that’s huge!!!!!
All the more reason to reject your worldview. The only thing you have to offer is superstition and fear about people not liking you, everything framed into a picture that only accounts for your own lack of perspective. It's not "huge", it's small, there is no perspective that takes existence itself into account.

You love a different Jesus then and you are not saved..that’s too bad. :(
Saved from what? eternal damnation? Back on this thread: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-purpose-of-life-in-christianity.6269/ nobody could even explain what the purpose of heaven itself was, let alone hell and Creation itself. Damnation is equally as senseless without a logical worldview that actually takes the seriousness of such things into actual consideration and evaluation. Christianity (Protestantism especially), is nihilism, you just pretend that it isn't.
You call yourself saved, yet you have nothing of value on any level to offer. Why should I value your "Christian" concept of salvation in the first place. If I didn't know better I'd probably have stayed an Atheist (luckily my world knows more than just Christianity).
 





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What is your religion? I'm curious, not really in a good way as you keep stating things about how we become like him by doing his will, or whatever you're saying. We cannot become like God, not in the slightest. Yes, there are verses where Jesus says to try to be Holy like our father in heaven, but he means when you get tempted, turn to him, resist the devil. Go out, and tell people about the good news as Jesus did with many. Basically follow his footsteps, otherwise we would be either cold or lukewarm Christians. Anyways, while we can act as best as we can like our savior, we can't become Gods. Actually, for the majority of things little or not, we need to pray about it. Idk about you, but I'm living dependent on God.
I was a charismatic Christian for 25 years. I still consider myself a Christian, though most of the Christians on this forum do not. Biblically speaking I suppose I would be classified as a follower of the Way, like the apostles in Jerusalem were called, rather than a Christian as the followers of Paul were called.

Do you believe we are children of God? Doesn’t every parent want their children to be like them, at least in the traits that one would consider positive traits? Why are you offended by the notion that God wants us to be like him, patient, kind, merciful, loving, forgiving, selfless, compassionate?
If you think being a Christian is only about sharing the gospel, you are denying the power of the cross. Jesus didn’t die on the cross so your sins could simply be forgiven (God forgave sin in the OT before Jesus died on the cross). Jesus died on the cross so you could be set free from the power of sin.

We only receive from God by faith. What better example of faith is there then doing the things Jesus taught and commanded? Faith without works is dead....
 





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Ok, so there is no need for Jesus or he was just like the Prophets before him.
Without Jesus being the sacrifice...we would all need to live up to the law and when we failed..we would need to sacrifice when we sinned...Jesus is the once for all sacrifice for sin...when you believe on Him you are saved and no other sacrifice is needed.

On the contrary, there is nothing meaningful about "Jesus sacrifice" in your worldview.
Why do you say that...His sacrifice is everything.

All the more reason to reject your worldview. The only thing you have to offer is superstition and fear about people not liking you, everything framed into a picture that only accounts for your own lack of perspective. It's not "huge", it's small, there is no perspective that takes existence itself into account.
What superstition? People sin...all people sin, even children...so when the Bible says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..that’s true. When the Bible says their is a punishment for sin, that’s also true. People are waiting for the end of the world and they don’t even know why...not just Christians and are trying to figure out how to live forever and bypassing God’s Son.

Living eternally is no small thing.

Saved from what? eternal damnation? Back on this thread: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-purpose-of-life-in-christianity.6269/ nobody could even explain what the purpose of heaven itself was, let alone hell and Creation itself. Damnation is equally as senseless without a logical worldview that actually takes the seriousness of such things into actual consideration and evaluation. Christianity (Protestantism especially), is nihilism, you just pretend that it isn't.
You call yourself saved, yet you have nothing of value on any level to offer. Why should I value your "Christian" concept of salvation in the first place. If I didn't know better I'd probably have stayed an Atheist (luckily my world knows more than just Christianity).
Saved from eternal damnation, yep! And a reconciliation to God. I said that we were made to have a relationship with God...He made us according to His image..we have intelligence and we are more than animals. The purpose of heaven, is that is where God lives..wanting to go to heaven is wanting to live with God..but many people want to go there and escape hell, not thinking that they would also be living with God...and if you hate God..then it‘ll do you no good to go to heaven.

I pretend that Christianity isn’t nihilism? How is Christianity nihilism?

You should want to save your soul...its no skin off my back if you don’t, but I would feel bad for you choosing punishment for the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth..I would hate to see anyone go there.
 





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I was a charismatic Christian for 25 years. I still consider myself a Christian, though most of the Christians on this forum do not. Biblically speaking I suppose I would be classified as a follower of the Way, like the apostles in Jerusalem were called, rather than a Christian as the followers of Paul were called.

Do you believe we are children of God? Doesn’t every parent want their children to be like them, at least in the traits that one would consider positive traits? Why are you offended by the notion that God wants us to be like him, patient, kind, merciful, loving, forgiving, selfless, compassionate?
If you think being a Christian is only about sharing the gospel, you are denying the power of the cross. Jesus didn’t die on the cross so your sins could simply be forgiven (God forgave sin in the OT before Jesus died on the cross). Jesus died on the cross so you could be set free from the power of sin.

We only receive from God by faith. What better example of faith is there then doing the things Jesus taught and commanded? Faith without works is dead....
I cannot STAND when people assume stuff just because it wasn't mentioned at first. That's why you ASK questions first. I never said while being a Christian, all you have to do is spread the gospel. I guess you just weren't reading my other posts then. I am not offended of the fact God wants us to be like him, otherwise why did I state I was dependent on him and that I would rather fearfully serve him than enjoy sin and not even acknowledge him? Hm? I specifically said we were to try out best to follow Jesus footsteps. That does NOT just include spreading the gospel, you should know that, and you do, but you're too busy trying to make your point by assuming.

Yes, faith without works is dead. That's why I go out of my way to do as much as possible and endure to the end even if I have to die for him, so be it. Yes, I believe Gods people are the children of God. Not everyone is his child. Example, people who sellout, are they his or are they satans? They're satans. They no longer have a chance to repent. Yes, satanists in general can, but if you dare sell your soul, it's over. I HOWEVER, will NOT assume that you will say this, but I will ASK, are you going to reply with you telling me that I too, as Lisa, believe in a horrible God, not the same one as yours? If so, please refrain from even typing that.

It seems you think God is all loving, wants everyone, sunshine and rainbows in his kingdom, and the end. No, God also hates. He hates sin, he hates satan, he hated one of the brothers that Adam and Eve gave birth to because one of them offered God fruit, he rejected it, and the other offered a lamb sacrifice, he accepted it. Cain was his name, and God hated him. Some people are just born wicked, in order to keep things fair especially on judgment day.
 





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I cannot STAND when people assume stuff just because it wasn't mentioned at first. That's why you ASK questions first. I never said while being a Christian, all you have to do is spread the gospel. I guess you just weren't reading my other posts then. I am not offended of the fact God wants us to be like him, otherwise why did I state I was dependent on him and that I would rather fearfully serve him than enjoy sin and not even acknowledge him? Hm? I specifically said we were to try out best to follow Jesus footsteps. That does NOT just include spreading the gospel, you should know that, and you do, but you're too busy trying to make your point by assuming.

Yes, faith without works is dead. That's why I go out of my way to do as much as possible and endure to the end even if I have to die for him, so be it. Yes, I believe Gods people are the children of God. Not everyone is his child. Example, people who sellout, are they his or are they satans? They're satans. They no longer have a chance to repent. Yes, satanists in general can, but if you dare sell your soul, it's over. I HOWEVER, will NOT assume that you will say this, but I will ASK, are you going to reply with you telling me that I too, as Lisa, believe in a horrible God, not the same one as yours? If so, please refrain from even typing that.

It seems you think God is all loving, wants everyone, sunshine and rainbows in his kingdom, and the end. No, God also hates. He hates sin, he hates satan, he hated one of the brothers that Adam and Eve gave birth to because one of them offered God fruit, he rejected it, and the other offered a lamb sacrifice, he accepted it. Cain was his name, and God hated him. Some people are just born wicked, in order to keep things fair especially on judgment day.
Your last sentence says it all. The God I serve does not hate anyone and never created a wicked person just for the purpose of keeping things fair. How is that even just or moral?

If by the slim chance you are correct and God made people wicked with no chance for reconciliation (which I do not believe) then I think I would prefer the wages of sin (death, not eternal torment) anyways then to spend eternity with a God like that.

Fortunately the God I know, the God of Jesus Christ, is not like that all.
 





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The very idea of Jesus being God-incarnate and "dying for the sins of the world" only implies nihilism, meaninglessness to everything (not just this world but all forms of existence). For there even to need to be an atonement of sin implies God sending Prophets prior to Jesus (from Genesis to Malachi) to have no purpose, to be defacto senseless. The very central doctrine of mainstream Christianity makes God's creation of man and the universe, innately meaningless. There will never be any chance of me accepting Christianity again, I reject it with all of my being, it is repulsive and offensive.
At the same time, I do love Jesus and appreciate the Bible a lot. It's a shame that Christians make a mockery of the Bible and Jesus though.
Hi Infinityloop,

Christianity (so-called, it could actually be more accurately called churchianity) has misunderstood the reasons for the Crucifixion. The doctrine they have made out of it indeed does not make sense, except from the point of view of the church's lucrative business of selling forgiveness for sins (catholic) or an "easy path" (mainstream) to people, by making them believe that it's going to be okay if they continue to sin with impunity and don't really change because... (it seems like you have encountered and already know that story). In case you're at all interested in seeing what is meant by this, there is an alternative explanation of why the Crucifixion actually had to happen (which in my personal opinion actually does make perfect sense of the event) at this link:

http://jahtruth.net/passnot.htm

Peace be upon you.
 





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Hi Infinityloop,

Christianity (so-called, it could actually be more accurately called churchianity) has misunderstood the reasons for the Crucifixion. The doctrine they have made out of it indeed does not make sense, except from the point of view of the church's lucrative business of selling forgiveness for sins (catholic) or an "easy path" (mainstream) to people, by making them believe that it's going to be okay if they continue to sin with impunity and don't really change because... (it seems like you have encountered and already know that story). In case you're at all interested in seeing what is meant by this, there is an alternative explanation of why the Crucifixion actually had to happen (which in my personal opinion actually does make perfect sense of the event) at this link:

http://jahtruth.net/passnot.htm

Peace be upon you.
Catholic doctrine is not Christian doctrine...Jesus gave the free gift of salvation to those who believe and its not a license to sin.
 





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Your last sentence says it all. The God I serve does not hate anyone and never created a wicked person just for the purpose of keeping things fair. How is that even just or moral?

If by the slim chance you are correct and God made people wicked with no chance for reconciliation (which I do not believe) then I think I would prefer the wages of sin (death, not eternal torment) anyways then to spend eternity with a God like that.

Fortunately the God I know, the God of Jesus Christ, is not like that all.
So you think he can't punish people, send trials, tribulations, etc? It seems you believe in a happy go lucky God. The true God will in fact do that in order to get closer with his people. Honestly, I'm open for discussion but the way you type, rather the way your tone is in your typing is debating like, and I don't do debates. God even said not to debate. So, would you like to end this here or continue?
 





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Hi Lisa,
Hope that you are having a good day.
Catholic doctrine is not Christian doctrine...
Belief in a trinity is Catholic doctrine. Did you know that? The Catholic faith is defined as belief in a trinity. That therefore means, that all trinitarians are thereby still defined as catholics (beholden to the catholic faith) through their belief in the central dogma of catholicism.
Jesus gave the free gift of salvation to those who believe
Jesus said, to those who believe and do:

King of kings' Bible, Matthew
5:16 Let your Light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case enter into The Kingdom of heaven.

and its not a license to sin.
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Hi Lisa,
Hope that you are having a good day.
Hi student...hope your day is good as well :)
Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.​
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Jesus is dressing down the religious leaders in the scripture you posted...they can’t fulfill the law..only Jesus can.
 





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Hi student...hope your day is good as well :)
Yes it has been so far, thank you for asking. :)
Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭​

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.​
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Yes, but it's important to take note how it also says that we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works:

King of kings' Bible, Ephesians
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (do them - good works).

So as we become born-again of the spirit, all unemployment begins to cease.
Jesus is dressing down the religious leaders in the scripture you posted...they can’t fulfill the law..only Jesus can.
He was addressing these words to the multitudes and to His disciples, as it says in Matthew 5:1-2

It's really not that difficult to fulfill The Law (The Commandments). All you have to do is to make sure that you are always focused on keeping the two Great Commandments on which all the others hang:

Matthew
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the First and Great Commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two Commandments hang all The Law and the Prophets.

If we do that, then we can't possibly harm anyone else and we cannot possibly break any of the other Commandments if we keep these two. So, Jesus simplified it for us.

Romans
13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled The Law.
13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not murder, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie), Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as [or more than] thyself.
13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of The Law.
 





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So you think he can't punish people, send trials, tribulations, etc? It seems you believe in a happy go lucky God. The true God will in fact do that in order to get closer with his people. Honestly, I'm open for discussion but the way you type, rather the way your tone is in your typing is debating like, and I don't do debates. God even said not to debate. So, would you like to end this here or continue?
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Just having a discussion...isn’t that what you do on a discussion board?
Of course I believe in trials and tribulations, but like you even said it has a purpose to bring us closer to God.

Yes God punishes people, just like a parent punishes a child. But a good parent never punishes out of vengeance. There is always a purpose to Gods punishment and his fire. Fire represents the purification process of God.
There is no place for eternal torment if it has no hope of reconciling the one being punished to God.
The Bible says the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment. If there was no resurrection sinners would simply stay dead in the grave. Do you really believe God’s anger lasts forever that he would resurrect sinners simply to torment them out of vengeance with absolutely no redeeming purpose?
 





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Just having a discussion...isn’t that what you do on a discussion board?
Of course I believe in trials and tribulations, but like you even said it has a purpose to bring us closer to God.

Yes God punishes people, just like a parent punishes a child. But a good parent never punishes out of vengeance. There is always a purpose to Gods punishment and his fire. Fire represents the purification process of God.
There is no place for eternal torment if it has no hope of reconciling the one being punished to God.
The Bible says the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment. If there was no resurrection sinners would simply stay dead in the grave. Do you really believe God’s anger lasts forever that he would resurrect sinners simply to torment them out of vengeance with absolutely no redeeming purpose?
Actually, Jesus did say "Vengeance is mine", so. And I don't have a problem with it because with everything that's ever happened, yes, vengeance is his. Plus when we come back during the start of the millennium, Jesus said to slay the wicked before him, he said he would pour his anger out on us and we will kill the wicked people with no mercy at all. That's one of the things happening before satan goes into the abyss. On Judgment Day, the wicked, starting from the beginning to the end will be cast into the lake of fire. He does NOT find it pleasurable, but it's what they deserve. For justice, and vengeance if anything. Oh, and because he's a fair and just God. And I never said God would torment them, because they'd be tormented on their own whilst burning.

Also, yes the wages of sin is death. That's why we die, we can't live forever being sinful like that. Though he means more specifically for those who aren't of him. They receive the second death. Actually the verse in revelation, just after he talks about who goes into the lake of fire, he then says that "This is the SECOND death", so yes for sinners the wages of sin is death, and specifically a second death for those who aren't of Christ. Meanwhile everyone else DOES have everlasting life.
 





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Actually, Jesus did say "Vengeance is mine", so. And I don't have a problem with it because with everything that's ever happened, yes, vengeance is his. Plus when we come back during the start of the millennium, Jesus said to slay the wicked before him, he said he would pour his anger out on us and we will kill the wicked people with no mercy at all. That's one of the things happening before satan goes into the abyss. On Judgment Day, the wicked, starting from the beginning to the end will be cast into the lake of fire. He does NOT find it pleasurable, but it's what they deserve. For justice, and vengeance if anything. Oh, and because he's a fair and just God. And I never said God would torment them, because they'd be tormented on their own whilst burning.

Also, yes the wages of sin is death. That's why we die, we can't live forever being sinful like that. Though he means more specifically for those who aren't of him. They receive the second death. Actually the verse in revelation, just after he talks about who goes into the lake of fire, he then says that "This is the SECOND death", so yes for sinners the wages of sin is death, and specifically a second death for those who aren't of Christ. Meanwhile everyone else DOES have everlasting life.
Oy vey! There is nothing rational, logical or compassionate about this post. There is nothing about this post that portrays the God of love, grave and mercy l know. I couldn’t stand to stomach spending eternity with the God you have portrayed here.

I guess we are done with this discussion.
 





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Gonna bring this conversation here..
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My answer to you @Infinityloop

Let’s go back to the beginning then. God created heaven and earth and He also created plants, animals. He could have stopped there but He didn’t He created man in His image. Why? He could have left it with plants and animals but He made someone He could relate with by making him in His image...right?


When Adam and Eve break the relationship of trust with God and sin enters the world is when that relationship is broken. They are separated from God at that point and are now no longer able to live in the garden in the garden, they aren’t interacting face to face with God anymore.

Yet all through the OT God is still around but not in the close way He was in the garden until He sent His Son to save us from our sins and reconcile us to God, bringing us back into a close relationship with Him again. You can’t get closer to the Holy Spirit living in my heart...

How is Adam a god? He was created so he can’t be a god. Jesus was and is in heaven as God...no one created God. There is no similarity in that respect.

There is no purpose to religion, except to say that we were born to worship God and if we don’t believe in God we will make a god to worship. There is only one true God and the rest are fakes and phonies.

History is a long line of people who lived before us....In God’s word the Bible, God shared with us the things He wanted us to know about Him and things that we could learn from the people before us and their relationship or lack thereof with God. God is always the focus of the Bible and His relationship or lack with man...that’s our history.

Yes there is a heaven and hell and Jesus came to save us from hell so we could be reconciled to God and live with Him again instead of being punished for our sins in the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. God is actually loving and caring about us or else He could just let us go straight to hell without ever trying to save us.

What is the point of the universe? God did create the heavens and where does God live? In heaven.. could the universe be heaven? I used to think the sun was where God lived because God is the light of the world and no one could come close to touching God.. what better place than the sun? Idk if that’s true but it did make sense to me.
I just want to answer your question, God created man as you also said to have a relationship with him. Fellowship and relationship with our Creator, that is what we where created for.
 





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I'm not religious. But I'm going to just drop this here... No debate, no rehashing, no reading of the bible is going to help our current problems. Real problems. In our actual backyards. And unless everyone puts their zealous feet forward in action to mirror what Jesus would have done... this is all just a bunch of bickering. Jesus was a rebel, acting on what he knew was moral. No matter who you are, or which religion... there is a moral compass we have inherently. Maybe ask yourself... what have I done today to help my fellow human beings? No one will EVER prove one religion wrong and one right, definitively. So stop trying and focus on humanity. One foot in front of the other... actions over words.
 





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I'm not religious. But I'm going to just drop this here... No debate, no rehashing, no reading of the bible is going to help our current problems. Real problems. In our actual backyards. And unless everyone puts their zealous feet forward in action to mirror what Jesus would have done... this is all just a bunch of bickering. Jesus was a rebel, acting on what he knew was moral. No matter who you are, or which religion... there is a moral compass we have inherently. Maybe ask yourself... what have I done today to help my fellow human beings? No one will EVER prove one religion wrong and one right, definitively. So stop trying and focus on humanity. One foot in front of the other... actions over words.
I agree, but what does a process of doing and living, taking action look like?

1. Have a relationship with Jesus
2. He points out our faults and convicts us of wrongful thoughts
3. Because of our relationship we change with His help and treat people differently, do things differently, take action differently
4. Real change happens because of this