...so which is it? ..."A-OK" or "666" hand sign???

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...a Chicago Cubs fan gets banned and the image of his hand blurred..... but Ariana Grande, et al flash the same sign over their eye and they are celebrated and emulated....
....full link: https://summit.news/2019/05/14/gay-liberal-atheist-stephen-fry-labeled-a-white-supremacist-for-using-the-ok-hand-sign/

Gay, Liberal Atheist Stephen Fry Labeled a “White Supremacist” For Using the OK Hand Sign

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Gay, liberal atheist British television presenter Stephen Fry is being labeled a “white supremacist” because he did the OK hand sign.

Fry flashed up the dangerous symbol to promote Mental Health Awareness Week, tweeting, “Are you A.O.K?”

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The media then made a story out of the “controversy,” quoting numerous imbeciles who claimed Fry was boosting alt-right racists.

“Didn’t have you down as part of the alt-right,” wrote one.

“Stephen and friends – You might want to be super careful using this symbol if you don’t want to be confused with white supremacist creeps,” added another.

Fry was forced to respond, tweeting, “I really will not allow the simple (OK) gesture to belong to the moronic dogwhistling catfishing foghorning frogmarching pigsticking d***waving few who attempt to appropriate it for their own fatuous fantasies.”

Stephen Fry✔@stephenfryReplying to @stephenfry
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The comedian is well known for supporting all manner of liberal causes, from environmentalism to LGBT activism and is a lifelong supporter of the left-wing Labour Party.

So let me get this straight; Either Fry is a closet white supremacist who has been hiding his bigotry for 61 years behind a veil of left-wing political beliefs and liberal activism, or the media and the left is run by a cult that needs to constantly fan the flames of hysteria to convince everyone that neo-nazis are taking over society in order to obtain power and generate revenue.

You be the judge.

The notion that the ‘OK’ hand gesture is a secret white supremacist code was a troll started by 4chan which the media completely fell for.

As we reported last week, in a report about a Chicago Cubs fan who was banned for flashing up an ‘OK’ sign during a television broadcast, NBC News blurred out the image of the ‘offensive’ hand gesture.

Once again society is caught between a bunch of nihilistic, autistic 4chan sperglord trolls and a hysterical mainstream media that takes them seriously and then legitimizes their autism for ragebait clicks.
 






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Stories like this point out the inherent issues with focusing on symbolism; that's to say the meaning of a symbol can change depending on various circumstances. Especially hand gestures; the infamous "horns" can be a genuinely Satanic symbol, a superstitious ward AGAINST evil, or a powerless symbol people just flash at Texas sports games or that.


...Also, if 4chan was promoting the A-OK handsign to be a racist symbol, and it was adopted by actual racists (such was Richard Spencer) people who are opposed to racism should be cautious. Not go on blind witch hunts... But at least see the context.

Also... Isn't Paul Joseph Watson that dude who started the whole stupid soyboy meme, selling his masculinity tonic, that contained soy?
 






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Stories like this point out the inherent issues with focusing on symbolism; that's to say the meaning of a symbol can change depending on various circumstances. Especially hand gestures; the infamous "horns" can be a genuinely Satanic symbol, a superstitious ward AGAINST evil, or a powerless symbol people just flash at Texas sports games or that.
Thats one way to look at it, other way would be that it means what it means despite our knowledge or ability to see/decipher...if it's horns it remains horns doesn't matter we recognize it as such or not. It can be something else too, but it's horns nonetheless...
 






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Thats one way to look at it, other way would be that it means what it means despite our knowledge or ability to see/decipher...if it's horns it remains horns doesn't matter we recognize it as such or not. It can be something else too, but it's horns nonetheless...
The horns, without context, have no meaning. It's just a mostly closed hand, with the index and middle finger extended... And even if you trace back the earliest sources it's origins was benign; Hindus uses it as a sign to banish demons, Italians used it as a ward against bad luck/forces. The whole "evil" aspect really didn't come until Crowley.

That's why context matters more than anything else.
 






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The horns, without context, have no meaning. It's just a mostly closed hand, with the index and middle finger extended... And even if you trace back the earliest sources it's origins was benign; Hindus uses it as a sign to banish demons, Italians used it as a ward against bad luck/forces. The whole "evil" aspect really didn't come until Crowley.

That's why context matters more than anything else.
I do think context matters as well as intent. So many young people simply follow what celebrities are doing that you will see the one eye, ok symbol, horns, etc. being used all the time by kids or even adults who don't truly know what it means. The whole ok symbol as a symbol of white power, though, is ridiculous. If it is, the K k k types were dumb in picking a symbol that people such as Beyonce and JZ use on the regular. I'm certain those two aren't white supremacists ... and I'm pretty sure JZ is a satanist considering his clothing line has "do what thou wilt" on some of it. I'd be willing to bet that at least 90% of the times that you see a celebrity flashing that sign we are talking satanism. And there is a good chance that is exactly how Stephen Fry meant it as well.
 






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.....Now, the Oak Park/River Forest high school has paid $54,000 to have the yearbook reprinted to delete images of students flashing the "white nationalist symbol"......
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/5/21/18633900/oak-park-river-forest-high-school-students-yearbooks-white-nationalism-controversy
Schools are underfunded and they choose to spend money on stuff like this? Especially when it wasn't even a deliberate use of the symbol as a "white nationalist symbol"? The whole world has gone mad.
 






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This is why this symbol can never be taken as just a white power symbol: 1) it has a common usage, and 2) it is well known to be an occult symbol flashed by politicians and celebrities alike. Sadly, this likely means that AOC is illuminati confirmed. Unfortunately, any person who claims to speak for working class regular people (whether it is Trump on the right or AOC on the left) is just there to pacify the angry peasants and give them false hope that somehow things will change.
 






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If an actual neo-nazi uses the ok sign then they're using it to troll people and to symbolize their white supremacist beliefs. Like Richard Spencer and his friends did. But if a regular person uses the sign, they're usually just using it to mean "ok". I don't think Stephen has done anything to make him seem like a neo-nazi and he hasn't claimed to be one... He obviously was not using the symbol to represent white supremacy and I don't think anyone has labeled him as a white supremacist. The were only a couple of twitter replies telling Stephen to be careful about utilizing that symbol... they didn't even really call him a neo-nazi. I don't think this random tweet is worthy of a "news" article being written about it but apparently paul joseph watson thinks this is important.
 






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....even after reading this one... I'm not sure quite what to make of this new phenomenon and why Chinese Authorities are so "rattled".... and "unsettled"....

<<<Now that I've read thru a second time... they don't like the masses being able to communicate in a fashion which can't be readily monitored and suppressed, if deemed to be a potential security threat, it would appear... Funny how a single, simple hand signal can convey so many widely different messages... At any rate, don't be flashing "A-OK" in China! It 'rattles' those who are easily 'rattled'>>>

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49582520

The 'OK' hand gesture that's rattled China's authorities
By Kerry AllenBBC Monitoring

Image copyrightTIKTOK/SINA WEIBO A video and associated posters went viral showing a girl making an OK signal as a subtle way of asking for help
A video showing a Chinese girl using a clever technique to signal she needs help has been widely shared on popular social network TikTok - and is making the authorities nervous.

She is shown being escorted away by a stranger in an airport. Unable to make a cry for help, she makes a subtle hand gesture that looks like the signal for "OK".

This alerts a passerby, who immediately begins to argue with the man, and helps others recognise that the girl is being held against her will. She is then reunited with her parents.

So why has the video created such a big reaction on Chinese social media, and made the authorities so upset?

The hand gesture
Image captionThe "OK" hand gesture reversed looks like the number sequence "110"
While the "OK" gesture is pretty widely understood around the world as a positive gesture, simply turning your hand so that you are facing your palm conveys a subtle message in China.

If two fingers are pressed together, your hand can look like the numbers "110" - which in China is the emergency contact number for the police.

Consequently, the video, which features actors, shows a subtle way that a child can get a message out if they are in trouble.

To push this message home, at the end of the video, a man tells viewers to "spread this gesture" so that people can signal if they are in need of help "in the event of coercion, kidnapping, or fear of your life".

The authorities don't like it
Image copyrightPIYAO China's top disinformation bureau said the 'OK' signal as a sign of distress was absolutely not OK
The video has the appearance of a public service announcement, so many social media users assumed it had the backing of the police.

The Chengdu Economic Daily says that videos being shared on TikTok predominantly attributed the footage to the police. However, the actual origins of the video are unknown.

Today, official media are spreading the message of China's official disinformation platform Piyao, which criticises the video for being misleading, and says the police had no involvement with it.

"Such a gesture is meaningless as an alarm," it says, and argues that it might actually be counter-productive in allowing an individual to find help if they need it.

It says that it has "never publicised or promoted such an alarm method in public", and urges readers to follow the traditional method of calling the police if they need assistance or suspect someone else needs help.

Social media users think it's a good idea
Despite the authorities distancing themselves from the footage and associated advertising campaigns that have suddenly sprung up on TikTok, a huge debate has broken out online about whether the simple signal might actually be effective in helping Chinese people understand if somebody is under duress.

Some on the popular Sina Weibo microblog say that "shouting for help is more practical than gestures", and others note that the simple signal might "mislead people" and could lead to accidental interventions where none are necessary.
But in a country where tight authoritarian controls are in place and people are unable to freely speak openly, some are praising this seemingly small action to attract attention if someone's under duress.

"In fact, this kind of gesture could really be promoted for help in the country", one user says.

"As long as everyone is in agreement, we can still use it, it is still possible," another says. "As long as we're united in our understanding."

Numbers as a symbol of rebellion
Image copyrightTAOBAO Taylor Swift's 1989 album caused problems for Chinese censors as the singer is popular, but the number "1989" is sensitive
Number sequences have long proven an effective way for social media users to criticise the authorities, without immediately alerting government censors, who regularly screen platforms for sensitive words.

People have found ways to talk about the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989 - which the government has heavily censored for three decades - by using number sequences such as "46" (4 June), "64" (June 4) or "1989".

The authorities have wised up to number sequences being used and are known for censoring many of these. But such strict censorship does mean that sometimes innocuous posts are removed by mistake.

When Taylor Swift - who is hugely popular in China - released her album 1989, the government struggled to sift posts mentioning her music from ones that might have been code for the most controversial event in China's recent history.

Numbers as a protest
Image copyrightAFP During the 2014 Hong Kong protests, demonstrators showed their anger for then-leader CY Leung by calling him "689"
Cryptic number sequences and hand gestures have proven particularly effective in helping protesters in Hong Kong unite on a shared message.

Online users have been able to voice criticism of their leadership in recent years by referring to them based on the number of votes that elected them into office.

Consequently, "777" has become a nickname for Hong Kong's chief executive Carrie Lam. Her predecessor, CY Leung, was known as "689".

Graphic on hand signals used by protesters in Hong Kong to communicate and to keep their supply-lines stocked with vital equipment http://u.afp.com/Jsjm

As protests have dominated Hong Kong in recent months, it has also become apparent that demonstrators have been able to organise themselves by communicating subtle hand signals across crowds.

Graphics showing DIY hand signals that they can use if they need supplies such as eye masks, helmets or face masks, have circulated widely on platforms like Twitter.

Which is why a small, seemingly innocuous hand gesture, going viral in mainland China and getting huge public support, would undoubtedly unsettle the authorities.
 






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I haven’t seen this mentioned, maybe I missed it, but there’s also ‘the circle game,’ which I’ll hit in a sec. I think the hand symbol means both a-ok and 666, depending on the context. It very easily could’ve been injected into culture as ‘a-ok’ to provide cover for those that are ‘in the club’ and signaling 666. I personally got into the habit of doing the ASL ‘ok’ bc it’s a quick ‘o’ followed by ‘k’ signage. Idk what ‘group’ tried to change it to a white supremacist signal, but there are 2 options behind that intent:
1. Non-occult group: started the theory to get ppl to start being very aware of it so they’d realize the oddity of how many celebrities have marketing photos with it over their eye- leading ppl to learn about the ‘666’ aspect
2. The occult elites: they know how many young ppl do the ‘circle game,’ and decided to inject the racist narrative to make it “appear” that ‘omg, we’re surrounded by racist youths!’...when in actuality, finding it hidden in photos, or displayed by some teenage hand down by their leg in a group of friends out in public, is a game started bc of an old photo meme.

As for the Chinese using it- I’m wondering if it’s some smart teens flipping the meaning in that country. Gen Z and millennials have ‘trained’ themselves to become aware of the hidden circle game. They might have piggybacked on that awareness and dictated that if you see the symbol above the waist, it’s distress (usually, in the game, the symbol is covertly displayed below the waist).
The circle game: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The Circle Game
 






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...Good Catch SwiftTurtle... I'm glad you were there to "close the circle", so to speak.... There is no way I would have ever thought to check UD for any possible invisible (to me, anyway) cultural references to a phenom like this among the younger generations and an obscure 'game'....
As for China, I'm supposing that the Authorities, still stinging from the decades-old Tiananmen Square uprising are seeing the same thing again in Hong Kong... this time with open violence, defiance and destruction... and they are nervously watching out for any 'unauthorized' means of covert communication among groups to preclude any unification around popular ideas/movements which run may counter to the interests of the state.... and I would imagine that 'covert' anything would be deemed to be subversive....
 






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