So... are they no-go zones? What you need to know about Sweden's vulnerable areas

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But when something is a fact, that means it's not a cliché. A cliché would be saying all Middle Eastern immigrants want to do is r*pe people. A fact would be that 92 percent of severe sexual assaults in Sweden are committed by Middle Eastern immigrants. That's astonishing. But let's not talk about that. Let's accuse anyone who wants to even bring it up for discussion a racist. That reminds me of a list someone posted here recently about disinfo. Let's see, what was that rule again? Oh yeah ...

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it​



I am not the one dismissing facts here.



There you go again ... multiple infractions there.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
You GO, Thunder!
 






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No, you're not interested in talking about what your people are doing to mine.

Your thread is bullshit! We have huge problems. I live right in it and when theyre shooting each other to death outside of my door, you're telling me I'm wrong?

Why dont you come here yourself and witness the friggin violence then?

This thread sucks. You don't know anything about this. Swedish people are fleeing the country bc if the chaos here and you tell me "it's not so bad".

Laughable if it wasn't so DUMB.
"my people".... I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyways, it's your post that's making it a race thing.

We have a person on here posting material from a white nationalist website but I'm the one attacked because I simply suggest that refugees are human.

And wow what a great argument you have.... forget logic or evidence.... you just call my post "DUMB" in all-caps. Maybe if you're loud people won't notice your lack of logic lol.
 






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You GO, Thunder!
ah.... so you praise the dude posting stuff from a white nationalist website.

well.... if people want to have a white nationalist convention here I guess it is what it is.... but don't get mad when some of us still have decency.... instead of posting weird racist stuff like "your people are doing to to my people" or whatever you were talking about.
 






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ah.... so you praise the dude posting stuff from a white nationalist website.

well.... if people want to have a white nationalist convention here I guess it is what it is.... but don't get mad when some of us still have decency.... instead of posting weird racist stuff like "your people are doing to to my people" or whatever you were talking about.
Yeah. Its not bad here at all. YOU apparently know better than me what my country and neighbourhood is like although I live here and you've never even visited it.

This is what we're dealing with on the streets now: https://www.hd.se/2017-12-29/ungdomsgang-sprider-skrack-och-oro-med-fyrverkeripjaser But our paper must be lying to. All if the explosions, car fires and violence is also just made up.

In seriousness, it doesn't matter where the article or facts came from since it's true! I see these middle east kids commitinh crimes daily and you're telling me I'm lying.

This thread is so retarded I'm not replying anymore. Want facts? Come check it out yourself, dumba$$!

Ps: it's SO bad now that even foreigners are considering leaving the country. This is from the newspaper just now: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/bKn90l/oron-sprider-sig-efter-valdtakterna-i-malmo--kanns-inte-tryggt
The horrible rapes there that led the police to tell the public to not go out after dark or to go in groups, was the icing on the cake.
 






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If you folks are seriously spending your time checking out white supremacist and white nationalist websites and filling your browser with that stuff.... I mean like that's like maybe a notch or two above using your internet to view child pornography.

I mean I guess it almost makes sense when people are into Satanic stuff like this

As I said, the salvation we have right now is unique. We are sealed eternally by the Holy Spirit. We can commit any sin, including the blasphemy challenge, and still be saved. Believers in other ages, including the Tribulation, can lose the Spirit. We can't.
 






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ah.... so you praise the dude posting stuff from a white nationalist website.

well.... if people want to have a white nationalist convention here I guess it is what it is.... but don't get mad when some of us still have decency.... instead of posting weird racist stuff like "your people are doing to to my people" or whatever you were talking about.
Yeah. Its not bad here at all. YOU apparently know better than me what my country and neighbourhood is like although I live here and you've never even visited it.

This is what we're dealing with on the streets now: https://www.hd.se/2017-12-29/ungdomsgang-sprider-skrack-och-oro-med-fyrverkeripjaser But our paper must be lying to. All if the explosions, car fires and violence is also just made up.

In seriousness, it doesn't matter where the article or facts came from since it's true! I see these middle east kids commitinh crimes daily and you're telling me I'm lying.

This thread is so retarded I'm not replying anymore. Want facts? Come check it out yourself, dumba$$!
 






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If you folks are seriously spending your time checking out white supremacist and white nationalist websites and filling your browser with that stuff.... I mean like that's like maybe a notch or two above using your internet to view child pornography.

I mean I guess it almost makes sense when people are into Satanic stuff like this

As I said, the salvation we have right now is unique. We are sealed eternally by the Holy Spirit. We can commit any sin, including the blasphemy challenge, and still be saved. Believers in other ages, including the Tribulation, can lose the Spirit. We can't.
 






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Yeah. Its not bad here at all. YOU apparently know better than me what my country and neighbourhood is like although I live here and you've never even visited it.

This is what we're dealing with on the streets now: https://www.hd.se/2017-12-29/ungdomsgang-sprider-skrack-och-oro-med-fyrverkeripjaser But our paper must be lying to. All if the explosions, car fires and violence is also just made up.

In seriousness, it doesn't matter where the article or facts came from since it's true! I see these middle east kids commitinh crimes daily and you're telling me I'm lying.

This thread is so retarded I'm not replying anymore. Want facts? Come check it out yourself, dumba$$!
Calm down. "duma$$!".... is this a YouTube comment section? :D
 






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Oh, I've insulted you, Scimi? You're an arab who commits crime then? Are you on benrfits aswell? :D Why do u have double accounts anyway?
Im a racist for telling you the truth? Wooow. It's easy pulling ye racist card whenever someone stands up and tells the truth about your people. Are you a racist towards arians?
Isn't it just wonderful when arabs get bored? They didnt think it was enough destroying our school so they set our preschool on fire aswell!

Aren't they lovely?
"Interesting" stuff... o_O
 






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yea there is this comedian going around in the so called "no-go zones" and funny thing he is christian and he documenting it all and even celebrated christmas there and the muslims helped him lol and i trust him, who is showing pictures and videos as proof more than these "certain users" who have just been reborn as "Swedish" after being banned lol
Lying is an art tbh atleast they could have bothered to google what "Swedish" people are called lmao
 






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I can help myself but promise, last post: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/l1E8py/polisbil-sprangd-utanfor-polishus-i-malmo

The paper is called Aftonbladet and is a common evening newspaper in swden. Google if you don't believe me.

A sixth r*pe in Malmö and now a blown up police car:
Police car blown outside the police station in Malmö

A police car has been blasted at Värnhemstorget in Malmö.

"We have been blocked by a large area waiting for forensic technicians and National Bomb Force," said Fredrik Bratt, presidential spokesman.

The alarm of a powerful detonation arrived at 19.25.

"There was a powerful explosion at the police station at Värnhemstorget in northern Malmö. Now we are blocking a larger area and waiting for the site to be properly investigated, "says Fredrik Bratt.

A single offender should have been seen running from the scene just before the explosion and is now being chased by a police officer.

The swedish papers can't type that its an immigrant or where hes from bc that might aggrivate and encourge racism so they never type that.

There. I'm done. For real this time. LoL!
 






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Vixy

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I can't help myself. Damn it, it just splurs right out, haha!

So now we have the blowing up of a police car and the papers say that this is an attack of the police authority. We also have two shooters in a pizzeria being hunted by the police. https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/polisinsats-vid-restaurang-uppgifter-om-skottlossning/
They started shooting inside the pizza place.

A polishing kit is going on at a restaurant in Järfälla, outside of Stockholm.

Two masked men should have threatened staff at the restaurant - and shot in the room.

The police are now searching for the perpetrators and classifies the incident as grossly unlawful threats and weapons crimes.

The police received the 21.12 alarm on an ongoing situation at a pizzeria in Kallhäll, Järfälla municipality north of Stockholm.

Two masked men entered the room and threatened the staff with a gun-like object, which Aftonbladet was the first to report.

They should also have shot in the room, but no one has been physically injured.
Shot in the restaurant

The perpetrators have then moved the place.

The police are in place and are currently reporting the event as unlawful threats.

- We will take your technician of course. We talk to the staff who are killed and have patrols moving in the area, "said Eva Nilsson, at the police's management center.

The police classifies the event as grossly unlawful threat and crimes of violence.

Small beans for being a Thursday night in refugee sweden, haha! So far just six rapes, a blown up plice car and a shooting inside a pizza parlor. Yei!

Btw, someone wrote that as a swede I should know what swedes are called. Exactly are we called, according to you? In Skåne we're called Skåningar, as far as I know and in Lappland, Lapplänningar, in Jämtland, Jämtlänningar, in Stockholm, Stockholmare and in Sörmland Sörmlänningar. But what else? Maybe idiots for taking in all these immigrants, tho. haha!

And yes, Eagloc. I caled you a dumba$$ because I didnt want to sell it out. But obviously I have to; DUMBASS! :D
 






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Your media bias checkers leave a lot to be desired. They consider Snopes to be in the top ten most trusted websites, so pardon me if I don't run screaming from their assessment of Defend Europa.

Media Bias Fact Check: Incompetent or Dishonest?
Thunder, this is why many swedes go for alternative news sources. We know about the rules of the mainstream media and how they are b law not permitted to give us all the info. Same thing when it's a suicide, they cannot write is was a suicide since it may incourage others to do the same, so they say "accident" but reading between the lines, one gets the hint depending upon the accidental circumstances.
 






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Notes: Founded in 2016, Defend Europa is an Alt-Right White Nationalist organization. According to their about page the Defend Europa website, covers issues like “‘migrant crisis’, the European Union, globalization, and commentary in support of nationalist movements across the continent.” While the owner of website is not mentioned, the about page was published on February 27, 2016 by “Jason Bergkamp“, who’s bio on the site says “Jason Bergkamp is a Dutch based journalist.” According to a Washington Post article Jason Bergkamp is a known supporter of Hitler “In April, Trump retweeted a compliment from an innocuous-looking follower named Jason Bergkamp; a reporter from Fusion quickly discovered that Bergkamp had also praised Hitler.”

In review, Defend Europa uses loaded emotional language and in their articles and headlines: “The Never Ending Rise of Anti-White Politics in the UK” They frequently use factually mixed sources such as the Daily Mail, The Sun, and Daily Mirror, however they also occasionally use high factual sources such as The Guardian, but they always take the information out of context and spin it to the white nationalists favor. Defend Europa also recently interviewed alt-right white nationalist Richard Spencer. Overall, we rate Defend Europa as a Questionable source due to poor sourcing, hate language and affiliation with known white nationalists. (M. Huitsing 10/8/2017)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/defend-europa/

is mediabiasfactcheck liberal, progressive, leftist, whatever? I have no idea. I don't know what their point of view is and it really doesn't matter to me. It's pretty clear that Defend Europa is a white nationalist website.
 






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Claim: "Refugees are behind the increase in crime, but the authorities are covering it up."
Facts: According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention's Swedish Crime Survey, some 13 per cent of the population were the victim of an offence against them personally in 2015. This is an increase on preceding years, although it is roughly the same level as in 2005.

The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention has conducted two studies into the representation of people from foreign backgrounds among crime suspects, the most recent in 2005. The studies show that the majority of those suspected of crimes were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents. The studies also show that the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds are not suspected of any crimes.

People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background. According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. This means factors such as parents' incomes, and the social circumstances in the area in which an individual grew up.

Swedish government agencies have nothing to gain from covering up statistics and facts; they seek an open and fact-based dialogue. Sweden is an open society governed by a principle of public access to official documents. This means that members of the public, e.g. private individuals and media representatives, have the right to insight into and access to information about the activities of central and local government.

Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go."
Facts: In a report published in June 2017, the Swedish Police Authority identified 61 areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. Of these 61 areas, 23 are considered to be particularly vulnerable.

These areas are sometimes carelessly called 'no-go zones'. While the Police Authority has stated that working in these vulnerable areas is often difficult, it is not the case that police do not go to them or that Swedish law does not apply there.

The causes of the problems in these areas are complex and multifaceted. To reverse the trend, more action is required from all of society, at all levels.

http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
 






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'Do not buy into the lies spread about Sweden'



Sweden is the land of opportunity, writes Neil Shipley. Photo: Nora Lorek/TT
OPINION: Neil Shipley, originally from the UK, writes about why he is proud to call himself Swedish.
Sweden's reputation is currently under attack and I feel I must respond, however unpopular this might be. I feel angry, frustrated and saddened about recent events. This is my angle…

I am proud to live in Sweden and I am proud, and fortunate, to have received Swedish citizenship. This is a country that, in my mind, builds on equality and solidarity. This is a country that tries to do the best for its people. This is a country that stands up and does the humane thing, even in difficult circumstances. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

In some foreign media, Sweden is currently being dragged through the dirt. Stories based on lies and fabrication are spreading. Sweden is falsely being depicted as a failing country on the edge of collapse. This is total and utter bullshit. It is nothing more than the poisoned school gossip trying to bring down the popular student. It is a tactical attempt to spread fear and uncertainty and we must not bow to it. It is in their interests to undermine the social experiment that Sweden stands for and attack the politcs of liberalism and tolerance. A weaker opposition opens the way to a closed and darker society.

Opportunistic right-wing Swedish politicians are jumping on the bandwagon. By reinforcing this picture internationally, they paint themselves as the concerned party. Make no mistake, this is pure manipulation. Their only motivation is to gain more of a foothold in Swedish politics and gain political power based on lies and fear. They want a fearful and closed society.

READ ALSO: Why Trump's false claims are bad news for Sweden

I try to look at the world with open eyes. Sweden, like all countries, has its problems: an aging population and an expensive welfare state, challenges of integration and inclusion, social problems, unrest and crime. Of course this exists. To claim these didn't exist would be naive. And of course crime should be fought. But I truly believe that Sweden can solve these issues. And I truly believe that the way forward is the continued path of openness and solidarity. Not fear and defensiveness. And not lies.

I am proud to be Swedish and live in Sweden. I am proud that Sweden takes in thousands of people in their direst need. I am proud that Sweden helps people survive war and starvation. I am proud that Sweden leads the way in social and humanitarian issues. I am proud that Sweden does not criminalize poverty. I am proud of Sweden's diverse and multicultural society. I am proud that Sweden stands for human rights and equality between men and women. I am proud that in Sweden you can be whoever you want to be. I am proud that everyone is welcome here. I am proud that Sweden respects its children.

Are you?

In my mind, this is what it is to be Swedish. Sweden is the true land of opportunity.

This is my call to action. Do not buy into the lies and falsehoods that are spread about this country. Do not buy into the fearmongering of power-hungry politicians.

On social media, on the streets and in your life, question the source of all information. Do not just swallow the bullshit. And if you disagree, stand up and be proud to be a part of this nation with all of its challenges and its opportunities.

Neil Shipley is a lecturer and coach in intercultural competence and communication. He has lived in Sweden for over 20 years. Read his blog 'Watching the Swedes' here.

 






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I was going to warn you that this was a bait thread and not to respond. :oops:
Please explain how this is a bait thread, Chassidy. Can you refute any of what Etagloc’s has posted? Here, I’ll add to what he’s already posted. Here’s an article from Mark Jarratt who’s written a worthy article about Sweden and has, at the very minimum, a Criminal Justice background. He states the following:

“There is no doubt that Sweden, just like any other multicultural country, has had problems, particularly in immigrant communities. However, as Sweden has become more and more multicultural the level of crime has not changed drastically enough to conclude that asylum seekers are responsible. That is not to say that Trump didn’t trigger underlying tensions in these communities leading to recent riots, but Sweden is definitely not the crime stricken place portrayed in many media outlets” (source)
Also, if you check on our government’s website, updated two days ago, there are no travel advisories to Sweden either:


(source)

Can you disprove Mr. Jarratt’s article or the Government of Canada’s website not indicating a travel advisory warning to Sweden?
 






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You don't even try to present any sort of evidence or logical argument. You just make an inane unsupported assertion. You sound like a kid saying "I know you are but what am I".

And anyone with the slightest bit of sense can see that that comment from Haich was talking about how people are trying to silence the views of minorities. Which is pretty much what you are trying to do.
No, it wasn't.

And a click on your username @Etagloc will show a consistent history of primarily race-baiting threads-- it's what you do.

Everyone knows.

Here's the simple tipoff about your material:
If you were telling the Truth, you wouldn't need to insult people, tell lies about them, or break the rules to get your point across-- the Truth has a remarkable way of standing on its own.
 






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