Smallville actress, Allison Mack, Involved in sex cult

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And even if it did nudity in the home and nude beaches aren’t an indicator or a precursor to mental illness.
Maybe something that predisposes them to what, for example, she got herself into?

Mack:
“I recall Allison telling [us[ she grew up in a very sexually liberated family who used to walk around naked or go to naked community beaches”.

Britney:
When I was thirteen years old, I used to walk around my house completely naked. And my dad would say, 'Britney, put some clothes on, we have people over.' My family just always walked around the house naked. We were earthy people. I've never been ashamed of my body. We were very free people."
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This is how the article ends:

Yes. Very free. And I'm sure this has no freaking significance whatsoever.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a445/britney-spears-pics-1103/
 
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Insecurity is typically the only precursor to falling victim to a cult leader, of any type. I guess loose attitudes towards sex might make one more likely to engage in a group with liberal sexual attitudes/practices but that’s really as far as that train of thought can go imo.

Most people going to a nude beach aren’t joining sex cults or engaging in trafficking of children for the sex trade.
 

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Insecurity is typically the only precursor to falling victim to a cult leader, of any type. I guess loose attitudes towards sex might make one more likely to engage in a group with liberal sexual attitudes/practices but that’s really as far as that train of thought can go imo.

Most people going to a nude beach aren’t joining sex cults or engaging in trafficking of children for the sex trade.
Uhm, I made a mere mention of what was said in the article with concern to nude beaches and not that it said anything about mental illness. Trust me, mentally ill people are easily preyed upon as well but personally, I think Mack was voluntarily manipulated over time here and not ill but certainly a victim of her upbringing to a certain degree.

Just in case you did not know, the status conference for Allison Mack and Keith Raniere has been moved from Thursday May 3 @ 10:30 am to Friday May 4 @10:30 am.

This may be the last time the two lovers, Raniere and Mack, will ever be in the same room at the same time, so you may want to attend for that fleeting picture of love gone wrong.

Weather the two will be tried together or separately is hard to know at this juncture. If they are separated, or if Mack takes a plea, they will no longer appear together. if there is a trial for Raniere and Mack takes a plea that plea will likely include her testifying against Raniere and so once again she may be in his presence.

The chances are that nothing of substance will occur this Friday. This is only a status conference. It is remotely possible Mack might enter a plea, but since there is much more for the feds to investigate – much of which concerns her – it might not be feasible, or desirable, for the feds to strike a deal this quickly with the winsome actress turned sex slaver.

The purpose of the hearing on Friday is – as an initial status conference – to schedule deadlines for discovery that the prosecution is obliged to submit to the defense, the time period that the defense has to make motions and for the prosecution to reply to these.

Chances are the prosecution will seek a lengthy time period to present discovery to Raniere and Mack. Maybe as long as six months. To do this, they will need to exclude this time from the speedy trial time and it is possible, with Raniere festering in jail, that his lawyers will oppose it.

The prosecution may argue that the needed extra time is in the interest of justice since this is a complicated case. It was only about a month ago that the FBI raided Nancy Salzman’s home on Oregon Trail and Raniere’s “sex lair” on Hale Ct.. The feds took away hundreds of items including computers, hard drives, and more than $500,000 in cash.

It will take time to assess much of this. The feds may also announce superseding indictments are pending for Mack and Raniere and quite possibly other NXIVM co-conspirators.

Clare Bronfman has lawyered herself up with high-priced former US Attorney Dennis Burke. She might know her time is coming soon.

Meantime, as he awaits trial, Raniere – whose followers refer to him as Vanguard – lives in isolation in a special section of the Brooklyn Metropolitan Detention Center, according to sources with knowledge of his status inside the prison.

Mack has, for all practical purposes, broken from the cult by virtue of her acceptance of the terms of her release, especially the one which prohibits contact with any NXIVM members.

Not long ago, Mack to took a vow to be Raniere’s slave for life. She gave him collateral to insure this. Now she has agreed to accept her freedom in part in return for a promise of not speaking to her master.

Her ethics, as taught by Raniere, would be for her to take the fall for him. She is likely to take the fall he desired for her but it is unlikely she can do it for him.

While Mack is likely to get a prison sentence – some say from 5-10 years, Raniere is likely to do life.

Some believe that Raniere will leave prison feet first. While his heyday is likely over, he had a 57 year run on abusing anyone he could and delighting in it.

Now he appears ready to reap his sown crop of hatred and despair and bleakness. His world is grey now and for many there is sunshine where it had been missing for them for years.

The loss – even if it is temporary – of his freedom has brought people freedom, just as his freedom until recently made many people slaves.

Indeed, I think there is only one real hope of his release. The wealth of the vicious and deadly Bronfman sisters. I believe they are paying for his team of lawyers.

They are funding the cult and keeping it alive and while doing so keeping women in servitude.

In America, as I personally witnessed, Bronfmans have bought ‘justice’ in the past. And many innocent people suffered. Why shouldn’t they believe it now? and exert all their viciousness on their enemies and followers of Raniere alike.

Meantime, if you are going to attend court, get there early. The court holds about 60 people and many may come from the media for a goodbye look at the ill-fated lovers Allison Mack and Keith Raniere.

It’s not a bad story. Unless of course, you happened to live in their shadows.
 
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Most people going to a nude beach aren’t joining sex cults or engaging in trafficking of children for the sex trade.
That little detail about her childhood isn't insignificant to me, in trying to understand how she got into a sex cult.

Child trafficking translates into child porn, and other nasty things. So this is serious. And the fact that they were busted in Mexico makes it even more interesting. They were probably there for "business".

"In the late 1970s, as Carl Raschke noted in Painted Black, the “Texas House Select Committee on Child Pornography disclosed. . .that investigators probing leads to organized crime in Houston, Dallas, and other major cities found that ‘slave’ auctions for sixteen- and
seventeen-year-old boys were
routinely held in Mexico. Some of the boys were featured in brutal snuff or
‘slasher’ movies.”
Raschke also quotes from a study by U.S. mental health professionals that claims that a child from Mexico “can
be packaged, delivered, and sold deep within [the United States] in a short time,” and that many are purchased solely “for the purpose of killing.”
 
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Look I’m not disagreeing on anything with Mack here, or the cult or the child sex trafficking.

I’m having difficulty how u get from “went to nude beach on vacation” to “likely red flag she will be sex cult leader and sell women and children into slavery” - that’s a pretty big jump for me.

Nudity and nude beaches arent a big deal in the majority of the world.
 

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I'm having difficulty how u get from “went to nude beach on vacation” to “likely red flag she will be sex cult leader and sell women and children into slavery” - that’s a pretty big jump for me.
And I get that. That aspect may not scream "future sex trafficker" and it seems like a stretch but it isn't unimportant to any investigator. I actually found the Britney reference under the same topic: Sexualization of children hence paedophilia then child porn and trafficking. So when I saw the Mack link posted, i immediately recalled that reference.

Chances are great that a trafficker was once trafficked. What if they had nude parties at home, and the parents passed her around to the guests? By the time you traffick kids, while fully aware of their final destination (think Marina Abramovitch), you've already devalued them. But you can't do that unless you devalue yourself first. What started her on that road is what I'm trying to figure out, whatever it may be.
 

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It would appear via this article with further news that Mack was forced to marry another actress. LINKY HERE
It also says Mack branded her wife, Nicki Clyne who was on Battlestar Galactica and that she served as her slave.

"Nicki is Allison’s slave in DOS,” he said. “Allison was giving her orders 24 hours a day.”

The marriage, which purportedly took place in upstate New York and was witnessed by India Oxenberg, the daughter of “Dynasty” actress Catherine Oxenberg, is supposedly a common tactic employed by Raniere to keep women living in the country illegally from being deported.


Mack goes to court on the 4th for an update appearance but my understanding is that they will not cut a deal with her then in that they have much more information coming out.
 

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Maybe something that predisposes them to what, for example, she got herself into?

Mack:
“I recall Allison telling [us[ she grew up in a very sexually liberated family who used to walk around naked or go to naked community beaches”.

Britney:
When I was thirteen years old, I used to walk around my house completely naked. And my dad would say, 'Britney, put some clothes on, we have people over.' My family just always walked around the house naked. We were earthy people. I've never been ashamed of my body. We were very free people."
****
This is how the article ends:

Yes. Very free. And I'm sure this has no freaking significance whatsoever.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a445/britney-spears-pics-1103/
fascinating. has anyone here evern known any family their whole lives who did/does this??? poll
 

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I think most of us on this thread think this is part of something much bigger and more sinister than your every day cult
 

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Uhm, I made a mere mention of what was said in the article with concern to nude beaches and not that it said anything about mental illness. Trust me, mentally ill people are easily preyed upon as well but personally, I think Mack was voluntarily manipulated over time here and not ill but certainly a victim of her upbringing to a certain degree.

Just in case you did not know, the status conference for Allison Mack and Keith Raniere has been moved from Thursday May 3 @ 10:30 am to Friday May 4 @10:30 am.

This may be the last time the two lovers, Raniere and Mack, will ever be in the same room at the same time, so you may want to attend for that fleeting picture of love gone wrong.

Weather the two will be tried together or separately is hard to know at this juncture. If they are separated, or if Mack takes a plea, they will no longer appear together. if there is a trial for Raniere and Mack takes a plea that plea will likely include her testifying against Raniere and so once again she may be in his presence.

The chances are that nothing of substance will occur this Friday. This is only a status conference. It is remotely possible Mack might enter a plea, but since there is much more for the feds to investigate – much of which concerns her – it might not be feasible, or desirable, for the feds to strike a deal this quickly with the winsome actress turned sex slaver.

The purpose of the hearing on Friday is – as an initial status conference – to schedule deadlines for discovery that the prosecution is obliged to submit to the defense, the time period that the defense has to make motions and for the prosecution to reply to these.

Chances are the prosecution will seek a lengthy time period to present discovery to Raniere and Mack. Maybe as long as six months. To do this, they will need to exclude this time from the speedy trial time and it is possible, with Raniere festering in jail, that his lawyers will oppose it.

The prosecution may argue that the needed extra time is in the interest of justice since this is a complicated case. It was only about a month ago that the FBI raided Nancy Salzman’s home on Oregon Trail and Raniere’s “sex lair” on Hale Ct.. The feds took away hundreds of items including computers, hard drives, and more than $500,000 in cash.

It will take time to assess much of this. The feds may also announce superseding indictments are pending for Mack and Raniere and quite possibly other NXIVM co-conspirators.

Clare Bronfman has lawyered herself up with high-priced former US Attorney Dennis Burke. She might know her time is coming soon.

Meantime, as he awaits trial, Raniere – whose followers refer to him as Vanguard – lives in isolation in a special section of the Brooklyn Metropolitan Detention Center, according to sources with knowledge of his status inside the prison.

Mack has, for all practical purposes, broken from the cult by virtue of her acceptance of the terms of her release, especially the one which prohibits contact with any NXIVM members.

Not long ago, Mack to took a vow to be Raniere’s slave for life. She gave him collateral to insure this. Now she has agreed to accept her freedom in part in return for a promise of not speaking to her master.

Her ethics, as taught by Raniere, would be for her to take the fall for him. She is likely to take the fall he desired for her but it is unlikely she can do it for him.

While Mack is likely to get a prison sentence – some say from 5-10 years, Raniere is likely to do life.

Some believe that Raniere will leave prison feet first. While his heyday is likely over, he had a 57 year run on abusing anyone he could and delighting in it.

Now he appears ready to reap his sown crop of hatred and despair and bleakness. His world is grey now and for many there is sunshine where it had been missing for them for years.

The loss – even if it is temporary – of his freedom has brought people freedom, just as his freedom until recently made many people slaves.

Indeed, I think there is only one real hope of his release. The wealth of the vicious and deadly Bronfman sisters. I believe they are paying for his team of lawyers.

They are funding the cult and keeping it alive and while doing so keeping women in servitude.

In America, as I personally witnessed, Bronfmans have bought ‘justice’ in the past. And many innocent people suffered. Why shouldn’t they believe it now? and exert all their viciousness on their enemies and followers of Raniere alike.

Meantime, if you are going to attend court, get there early. The court holds about 60 people and many may come from the media for a goodbye look at the ill-fated lovers Allison Mack and Keith Raniere.

It’s not a bad story. Unless of course, you happened to live in their shadows.
is this your own writing, in the italics?
 

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like gathering bits of info on her, no one fact makes a difference but when combined patterns emerge
 

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OMG i just caught the part where britney said she walking around house with fam naked at 13 OMG that is NOT normal no freaking way.
 

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i just cannot get over the fact that the media is completely glossing over the fact that she is charged with crimes against CHILDREN wtf i thought the media liked dirt WHAT POSSIBLE REASON would they have for omitting that detail it just makes me fucking sick
 

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fascinating. has anyone here evern known any family their whole lives who did/does this??? poll
The contestants/brains behind (the guy died anyway) reality TV shows "Dating naked" and "House-hunting naked" could help you out on that one. :p
OMG i just caught the part where britney said she walking around house with fam naked at 13 OMG that is NOT normal no freaking way.
I used to think that she came from a relatively wholesome family and that it was the Mickey mouse club that ruined her. Guess I was wrong.
i just cannot get over the fact that the media is completely glossing over the fact that she is charged with crimes against CHILDREN wtf i thought the media liked dirt WHAT POSSIBLE REASON would they have for omitting that detail it just makes me fucking sick
The media doesn't like "dirty-dirt", especially that has prominent figures. It likes "clean dirt". If anything happens on the international scene, this story will be forgotten in 5mins.
 

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A Doctor (sick one) has been arrested in New York State who served Mack and company. Today, the New York Post reports that Dr. Brandon Porter, “A doctor described as the resident physician to the twisted upstate sex cult Nxivm has been charged by a state oversight board with illegally conducting human experiments.”


“But the OMPC has now accused Porter of moral unfitness, gross negligence and gross incompetence among other charges. He is accused of showing “human subjects an actual video of the horrific and brutal murders and dismemberment of four women by machetes; and violent film clips, including a male African American being viciously stomped by a Nazi; a conscious male being forced to eat a portion of his own brain matter; and a graphic gang r*pe.”

He is also charged with violating state law for improperly conducting studies on obsessive compulsive disorder, Tourette’s syndrome and one monitoring the brain waves of those who attended Nxivm programs.

The state also slapped him for not reporting to health officials that many of the attendees, including children, at a 2016 Nxivm event became ill with an infectious illness that produced flu-like symptoms, vomiting and diarrhea.

A hearing on the charges is scheduled for June 27. If the charges are substantiated, Porter could have his medical license revoked or suspended.”

Link here

Also, the case will go to court in October and there are more sealed documents which are being investigated with names to come out.
 

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NXIVM 'sex cult' doctor is charged with conducting 'fright study' experiments and showing members videos of r*pe, dismemberment and a man being forced to eat his own brain
 

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A Doctor (sick one) has been arrested in New York State who served Mack and company. Today, the New York Post reports that Dr. Brandon Porter, “A doctor described as the resident physician to the twisted upstate sex cult Nxivm has been charged by a state oversight board with illegally conducting human experiments.”


“But the OMPC has now accused Porter of moral unfitness, gross negligence and gross incompetence among other charges. He is accused of showing “human subjects an actual video of the horrific and brutal murders and dismemberment of four women by machetes; and violent film clips, including a male African American being viciously stomped by a Nazi; a conscious male being forced to eat a portion of his own brain matter; and a graphic gang r*pe.”

He is also charged with violating state law for improperly conducting studies on obsessive compulsive disorder, Tourette’s syndrome and one monitoring the brain waves of those who attended Nxivm programs.

The state also slapped him for not reporting to health officials that many of the attendees, including children, at a 2016 Nxivm event became ill with an infectious illness that produced flu-like symptoms, vomiting and diarrhea.

A hearing on the charges is scheduled for June 27. If the charges are substantiated, Porter could have his medical license revoked or suspended.”

Link here

Also, the case will go to court in October and there are more sealed documents which are being investigated with names to come out.
Its interesting that authorities are not investigating the horrific abuses caught on videotape the article mentions Porter using in his experiments.
 

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Its interesting that authorities are not investigating the horrific abuses caught on videotape the article mentions Porter using in his experiments.
Well, they are in the process of investigating some with ties to the media. They're moving up the ladder and there are many people trying to squelch the process while some cover tracks, etc. Thus, the power lawyers being hired by others to represent clients they hope will not turn. But, yes, the videos must be disturbing for we are getting into major MK style stuff here mixed with some cult and basics on creating slaves. This one will be interesting to watch as it unfolds.
 

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Well, they are in the process of investigating some with ties to the media. They're moving up the ladder and there are many people trying to squelch the process while some cover tracks, etc. Thus, the power lawyers being hired by others to represent clients they hope will not turn. But, yes, the videos must be disturbing for we are getting into major MK style stuff here mixed with some cult and basics on creating slaves. This one will be interesting to watch as it unfolds.
"But, yes, the videos must be disturbing for we are getting into major MK style stuff here mixed with some cult and basics on creating slaves. "
Excellent point.
 
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