@recure
I don't think
@Daze meant 'Allah = The Father' in reference to the terms/names.
Eg Allah is called Al-Rahman (The Merciful), He is also Al-Malik (The King)
if i said 'Al-Rahman is the same as Al-Malik' it would be in the the context of 'They refer to the same God'
Otherwise they have different meaning and arent the same.
Now about your understanding of 'The Father/Son' relationship
in the OT, God called Israel and Judea his wives...'adulteresses' n all, but his wives.
He also said Israel was 'my first born'
which one is true?
israel is his first born, but then 'Jesus is the only begotten'?
it's just metaphorical language...and in the case of Jesus, it was the jewish philosopher Philo who merged Greek philosophy, the Logos idea with the 'Image of God', linked it to the messianic ideal and in the process referred to it as 'Ben Elohim' ONLY because greek/hellenistic philosophy/culture/language was antagonistic towards Jews (remember antoiochus epiphanes persecuted jews and forced them to adopt hellenistic culture/religion).
Muslims don't use that language eg 'Abba/The Father' for God. That language was only relevant in the context it originated from, it had no place in a pagan arab society who were being taught 'pure monothiesm'. Islam could never adopt such terminology.
However certainly every muslim believes the God of every OT prophet and right the way to Jesus, is the same God we believe in.
Do you imagine there are different deities all claiming to be 'the one and only true God' or do you believe there's One, Absolute Supreme Being who is God and that is the one who every OT prophet believed in?
Going back to the important topic, the Father/Son relationship
whilst Islam didn't use the term 'Son of God' it did continue with the 'Logos/Word' term, in arabic it is the Kalam of Allah.
It also confirms that Jesus is the Kalam of Allah.
again language like 'Father/Son' arent used. imagine how that would confuse pagans who were being told such ideas are wrong (they used to believe the angels were God's daughters).
The Kalam of Allah is basically God's Eternal Expression...and all of creation, past present and future exists in the Kalam, eternally.
Basically in ancient mythology, it was called the primordial ocean/waters..
eg in egyptian mythology it is Nu, the watery abyss.
in islam it's even been called the 'primordial ink'.
Basically it is the Universal Consciousness.
The process of creation and dissolution is akin to drops of water emerging from the eternal ocean and returning to it.
We are all One consciousness, but our experience of 'self' in this seperate existance is part of the process of Expression itself.
It is the Macrocosm and Microcosm..
The idea of the 'Word made flesh' (Jesus) is not unique since the incarnation concept came from hinduism's avatars eg Krishna, Rama etc. The underlying idea is that whilst us normal people exist in a state of 'individuality', a universal man, that is a man merged with the primordial ocean, perceives reality as One. Jesus sees THE ONE in all..and ultimately he perceives the unity of God via His Immanence in all things.
Hence 'turn the other cheek'. only a universal man could say that.
Still in islam, becoming universal is the highest state of faith...it's called Ihsan and it is poorly understood by your common pleb.
the way it works is
a common muslim with belief, but uncontrolled, is in a state of 'iman'
when a muslim gains control of his lower (flesh) nature he practices islam perfectly, exists in a state of duality with God and still exists in multiplicity, he attains the state of 'islam'
what we learn from the OT esp books like the psalms, is that even in a state of submission/slavery in that dualistic relationship with God, a person suffers because we don't understand God.
The only way to surpass that is to become universal..but to attain that level your individuality has to die eg you have to dissolve as a drop and merge with the ocean (as in, the crucifixion)
this is where sufism takes it further, eg ibn arabi's 'unity of being'.
Hence Jesus taught the SINGLE EYE eg to see One in All..
the problem is, you have lost sight of the true reality of the Logos and that we are all 'made in the IMAGE OF GOD' (remember the Logos IS the Image), we are all part of it, it is everything.
it incarnated as Jesus..
but it also isn't the Trancendent God
hell even christianity agrees with me on this
en.wikipedia.org
According to Christian theology, the transcendent God, who cannot be approached or seen in essence or being, becomes immanent primarily in the God-man Jesus the Christ, who is the incarnate Second Person of the Trinity. In Byzantine Rite theology the immanence of God is expressed as the hypostases or energies of God, who in his essence is incomprehensible and transcendent. In Catholic theology, Christ and the Holy Spirit immanently reveal themselves; God the Father only reveals himself immanently vicariously through the Son and Spirit, and the divine nature, the Godhead is wholly transcendent and unable to be comprehended.
apart from calling Jesus 'God-man' the rest is easily understood and accepted by me.
example
in isaiah 53 and isaiah 42, the messiah is called God's SERVANT/ABD (which is the same as the arabic eg slave).
Jesus said he doesnt know when the Last Hour is
Jesus said he cant do anything on his own.
in my understanding it is clear where i draw the line
in yours, nothing..you are lost.
another example
psalm 110, Jesus himself referenced this to the pharisees who were happy to call him 'lord'
yet if you read the verse..
"THE LORD says to my lord'
THE Lord is YAHWEH/THE GOD, ADONAI
'my lord' eg Jesus, is Adoni, not Adonai.
there are many adoni's.
He wasnt the same as Adonai, so how the hell is he GOD GOD?
The Word was made flesh, but still in the flesh he is God's Abd/slave. God is IMMANENT in him..and from the perspective of the SINGLE EYE, to know Jesus is to know God.
it's like if you see God's Immanence in a tree..it doesnt mean the tree itself is God.