Faith based delusional thinking.
Then your all knowing God would be a fool to test when he would already know the results.
What do you lack when your own God said we, through A & E of course, know good and evil?
What do you not grasp of good and or evil concepts?
Right, so why do you need a God to do your thinking for you when you say that that knowledge is "inside" you?
You have been speaking to false Gnostic Christians then who do not understand their religion. We have no supernatural beliefs and think as the intelligent ancients did before Christianity and Islam reared their ugly literal reading of myths heads.
Have a look. I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with he literal reading of myths.
https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said thatwhen asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg,said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to yourneighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, goand study it."
Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.
"Origen, the great second or third century Greekcommentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take thesetexts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put thesesort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would havethem do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
The bible also alludes to the illusions that it gives and warns us to use our own thinking and not the thinking of corrupted prophets, traditions and fashions.
If your Qur'an does not tell you, like the bible does, to get out of your holy book if you want to find wisdom, then it is delinquent in it's wisdom and direction of thought.
I do understand much of it.
Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/
Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.
Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.
Do you understand Islam?
Regards
DL
"Faith based delusional thinking."
isn't the true God 'All-knowing'?
and since Allah means God, in my mind i'm talking about THE All-knowing.
You're thinking in lesser terms of a collective muslim God without taking into account islamic tawheed which clearly defines God as the Absolute, All-knowing etc.
However each of us also project a more personal aspect of God reflective of our own ideals and sense of right/wrong...and then there's the collective personal aspect of God, which ive often said is a 'collective thoughtform' and 'not really God'
so i'm aware of that aspect too.
So suppose most muslims are evil and ignorance, then it also means collectively we're projecting a thoughtform of God that is, very far from the ideal of what God is. that only reflects in our own flaws and it means as a whole religion we are judged by it.
The Quran tells us Allah will judge as for it. Even when you read the verse in my sig it suggests clearly God will judge each nation accordingly.
"Then your all knowing God would be a fool to test when he would already know the results."
Thank you, you're gradually showing me how inept you are at this 'game' shall we say. keep in mind im treating you as a gnostic who would think of the All-knowing as your God also.
So i suppose you don't believe in the All-knowing idea at all...no worries...let me look at what you've said
would be a fool to test when he would already know the results.
the reason this is inept is because this topic is done to death, it is the whole topic of freewill vs destiny.
Yes the Absolute knows All things, eternally...just as it says
the Word was with God and the Word IS God...
This is the aspect of God's Immanence that seeks seperation from unit, in order to bring individual consciousness and bring ignorance.
it isn't about God testing us for His own amusement, it is the nature of consciousness itself to be expressed.....and descending states of consciousness, from unity to multiplicity and into darkness is all part of God's expression...
All things come from Him and return to Him
as it is in Hinduism, brama and shiva, or as i regularly talk about, passive/active or yin/yang.
It's a bit like if you wrote the code to a vast program containing artificially intelligent characters with flaws in them where they fix/improve themselves by manipulating the source code.
even if you know all the possible permutations beforehand, the characters themselves don't.
You have been speaking to false Gnostic Christians then who do not understand their religion. We have no supernatural beliefs and think as the intelligent ancients did before Christianity and Islam reared their ugly literal reading of myths heads.
no ive spoken to self proclaimed gnostics just as im talking to you and ive read various gnostic texts..
they are essentially just a little different to mainstream christianity.
quit trying to be something you're not.
IF you're gnostic, tell me about my life, shit you can tell me in private if you like
a true gnostic of the ultimate reality or God or just life itself, would be capable of that.
you're just fooling yourself.
What you've written later, upto
If your Qur'an does not tell you, like the bible does, to get out of your holy book if you want to find wisdom, then it is delinquent in it's wisdom and direction of thought.
is just random drivel that you've conjured up, that sounds like it has meaning, but doesn't
effectively all you've done is said
'if your book tells you to follow it, then it is stupid but it needs to tellz u to do ur own wizdumbz'
lol..you're just saying shit that has no relevance to me and what ive said to you. i've talked about the deeper meaning of various parables and similies in the Quran to describe heaven/the inner self and ultimately the physical world in relation to it.
You've told me 'no i believe heaven is everywhere, in me, whatever i want it to be'
and im like 'no gnostics don't believe that'
ive read gnostic texts...and ive also delved deeper on what the reality of the physical world in comparison to the immaterial.
Oh the Quran tells us Allah gave the Scripture AND the Wisdom, so yes it is important to understand both with wisdom, ironic you're hating those who read scripture without wisdom, yet you're judging scripture without highlighting the wisdom aspect of it, ie you're the one taking it literally as/when it suits you and then condemning it.
Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
hence
"but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;"
im a muslimand are you even aware of how i approach the topic of homosexuality or misogyny or feminazism?
As for secular law, mate, only 70 years ago it was perfectly agreeable to watch black people get lynched and that was most post-enlightenment.
one day it might be considered immoral to crack an egg.
I suppose if humans are developing it is actually good.
I don't believe in following religion blindly, as i said, 'scripture AND wisdom' so for me inc with homosexuality, i like to understand the cause and then question whether there is a spiritual solution
if there is one but it is unfeasible in present conditions then id rather just get along with life.
there is an overall larger understanding of metaphysics here too which is too lengthy to get into.
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
ok so muslims and christians are bad, therefore the religion is wrong?
Jesus called the pharisees, hypocrites
he didnt say 'judaism is so evil and you are proof'
if you can't even grasp this basic point yourself before you spout nonsense you're clearly out of your depth and only responding from raw emotion and not sound logic and understanding.
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
you're about as gnostic as i am superman. as i said you are not gnostic
is your heart pure enough to reflect the light? if it is, then anything you concentrate on you can attain gnosis of, provided your heart is clean.....
if not, then you are not a true gnostic and basing your judgement off mere whims/desires and thoughts that are easily manipulated and subject to change at any turn of emotion.
Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.
Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.
that is like saying
"gay friendly, estoreic terrorism free gnosis islam"
let's just make it up as we go along.
if anything gnosticism is more supernaturally based than even christianity.
you believe in a demiurge, archons and what not, not merely as the opposition but as the creators of the physical world
you far more supernatural than us lmao.
lol dude don't link me to Sadhguru, represent your own religion. i know more about hinduism than you.
Do you understand Islam?
no, i don't even know what that is.