Should we all be a little Antichrist?

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Should we all be a little Antichrist?

Let me first state that I am not a literalist, nor do I believe in anything supernatural. I also have little respect for those who do believe that fantasies and supernatural entities are real.

Let me also say that I have a love/hate view of Jesus because I see more than one Jesus in the Christian myths. One is the Roman pacifist stooge who would slave us to governments and religions, and another, the one I like, the Gnostic Jesus, who wants to free us from religions.

When I read the words of Jesus, I think that, for his time, his policies are not particularly bad, but by today’s standards they are downright immoral. What I find particularly immoral are Jesus’ no divorce and substitutional punishment policies. Bishop Spong speaks to that last issue in this link and shows his concern that that policy will kill Christianity as it indicates rather conclusively that god is infantiocidal, unjust, and cannot forgive man without the shedding of blood which goes against the notions of justice as well as against scriptures that say god wants obedience and not sacrifices, bloody or otherwise.


Do you think Bishop Spong to be an Antichrist?

There are many more tenets put into Jesus’ mouth by Rome that are also of dubious moral value but the two issues I mentioned lead the immoral pack.

I invite Christians to lovingly correct me, should I be wrong, as your bible says you should.
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

I invite you to test your belief in the morality of Jesus’ policies.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

I will take the Antichrist position for a debate if you would like to engage.

Regards
DL
 





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Let me also say that I have a love/hate view of Jesus because I see more than one Jesus in the Christian myths. One is the Roman pacifist stooge who would slave us to governments and religions, and another, the one I like, the Gnostic Jesus, who wants to free us from religions.
Yes, well in their four specially chosen biographies of Jesus, this does come through alot. It is a stark contrast.

The strange part is whether he was really one or the other, he spawned a cult that literally worships the dead.
 





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Yes, the Old Testament is very much an essay on genocide and suffering.
The New Testament is dichotomy of the two ways to react to a wise man that has been brutally murdered.
Old Testament is about God and His chosen people the Jews. New Testament is about God and Christians.
 





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Yes, well in their four specially chosen biographies of Jesus, this does come through alot. It is a stark contrast.

The strange part is whether he was really one or the other, he spawned a cult that literally worships the dead.
Before you get too buddy-buddy with each other, I will be nice and prove that this poster used to be as anti-Muhammad as he is anti-Christ (of the Christian bible).
Should we all be a little Antichrist?

Let me first state that I am not a literalist, nor do I believe in anything supernatural. I also have little respect for those who do believe that fantasies and supernatural entities are real.

Let me also say that I have a love/hate view of Jesus because I see more than one Jesus in the Christian myths. One is the Roman pacifist stooge who would slave us to governments and religions, and another, the one I like, the Gnostic Jesus, who wants to free us from religions.

When I read the words of Jesus, I think that, for his time, his policies are not particularly bad, but by today’s standards they are downright immoral. What I find particularly immoral are Jesus’ no divorce and substitutional punishment policies. Bishop Spong speaks to that last issue in this link and shows his concern that that policy will kill Christianity as it indicates rather conclusively that god is infantiocidal, unjust, and cannot forgive man without the shedding of blood which goes against the notions of justice as well as against scriptures that say god wants obedience and not sacrifices, bloody or otherwise.


Do you think Bishop Spong to be an Antichrist?

There are many more tenets put into Jesus’ mouth by Rome that are also of dubious moral value but the two issues I mentioned lead the immoral pack.

I invite Christians to lovingly correct me, should I be wrong, as your bible says you should.
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

I invite you to test your belief in the morality of Jesus’ policies.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

I will take the Antichrist position for a debate if you would like to engage.

Regards
DL
You started these threads in just ONE forum GCB ! https://www.forumgarden.com/forums/search.php?searchid=797146

Relevant beginning sentences:
"Let us be honest. Islam�s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule on the free world's first duty to the world. Should we declare war against this immoral ideology?"

"Yahweh never promised 72 virgins after death but Allah does."

"Jihadist are inadvertently sowing the seeds of thought that will, perhaps for the final time, awaken in secular hearts, the reality of the fact that religions must never rule and that only secular forces can bring the world to any lasting peace. Jihadists are thus, in the longer range picture, going to destroy all the war mongering religions that follow imaginary gods that have plagued freedom loving people forever."

'Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A.. ...
If they did not have their no-criticism of Mohamed rules, the Western press would have published the Hebdo cartoons without fear.
That intimidation of our freedom of speech is what makes the West incompatible with Islam."

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Probably the best one of all is this one though - just had to quote it IN FULL:

Why have Muslim men lowered themselves to be babysitters for women?
Why have Muslim men lowered themselves to be babysitters for women?

As I understand it, many Muslim men have decided to become babysitters and chauffer to grown women by insisting that they be accompanied by a man when going out.

I also understand that Muslim men have taken on the womanly duty of teaching girls how to dress and a grandmother�s duty of teaching women how to dress and what is appropriate to wear.

In Canada, our customs are more of women accompanying women as they do their various chores and sorties and not having to bother men for such menial tasks as driving them about like a chauffeur, nor have Canadian men place ourselves in a grandmother�s position of determining what women�s fashions will be.

Our gays are into such things but not usually heterosexual men.

It seems to me that Muslim men are treating their women like immature children who cannot get around without them and who need to be told what to wear. This is quite a demeaning position for both Muslim women and especially Muslim men.

Where is a Muslim man�s honor in his lowering himself to be a babysitter, companion/chauffeur and a woman�s fashion coordinator?

Regards
DL​


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Your troll threads used to be as anti-Muhammad/ Islam as Christianity - are you getting scared in your old age? Have too many Muslims moved into your neighbourhood?

P.S. all it took was one Google search: "Gnostic Christian Bishop" Islam Muhammad to find your results. :)
 





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Do you think Bishop Spong to be an Antichrist?
Christian apologists certainly prove Bishop Spong is one.
Shorter explanation.

Read the bible through the lens of desire (Shelby Spong critique)
Detailed explanations
Bishop Shelby Spong - the Bishop who was not
What's wrong with Bishop Spong


I invite Christians to lovingly correct me, should I be wrong, as your bible says you should.
Is that a challenge or a genuine request?

John 3:18 He that believeth on him [is not condemned: but he that believeth not [IS ANTICHRIST] is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [IS ANTICHRIST] , neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.


So stop being a mini-me Antichrist like Bishop Shelby Spong, repent of your sins, believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved and be in Heaven for Eternity.

Luke 15:3 And he [JESUS ]spake this parable unto them, saying,
4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
 





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Is that a challenge or a genuine request?

John 3:18 He that believeth on him [is not condemned: but he that believeth not [IS ANTICHRIST] is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [IS ANTICHRIST] , neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
You're inventing meanings that are not in that passage. Your insertions tell a lot about you.
 





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I wish the same for you, then you will see exactly why committing idolatry was so wrong.
Worshipping Jesus is not idolatry.

Into what?
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

That you will have your heart transformed so much that you now love and worship Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, and that love flows onto other people.

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
 





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Worshipping Jesus is not idolatry.
It's the epitome of idolatry, worshiping the golden calf. The Old Testament is so vehemently against idolatry for a very strong reason. Yet again, as Jesus said "You don't know what you are doing".
You worship a murdered man as an incarnation of God. That is a corruption of everything the Old Testament stands for, cover to cover.
 





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You worship a murdered man as an incarnation of God.
Jesus rose up from the dead because He is Son of God and one with God as stated in John.


That is a corruption of everything the Old Testament stands for, cover to cover
Not really :

“And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious.”
Isaiah 11:10

Jesus answered and said, “ And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
John 12:32‭-‬33
 





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Jesus rose up from the dead because He is Son of God and one with God as stated in John.



Not really :

“And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious.”
Isaiah 11:10

Jesus answered and said, “ And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
John 12:32‭-‬33
Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.
You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
Take to heart these instructions with which I charge you this day.

Deuteronomy 6:4-6

Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the LORD: Israel is My first-born son.
I have said to you, “Let My son go, that he may worship Me,” yet you refuse to let him go. Now I will slay your first-born son.’”

Exodus 4:22-23
 





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It's the epitome of idolatry, worshiping the golden calf. The Old Testament is so vehemently against idolatry for a very strong reason. Yet again, as Jesus said "You don't know what you are doing".
You worship a murdered man as an incarnation of God. That is a corruption of everything the Old Testament stands for, cover to cover.
But wouldn't that mean Jesus let his disciples commit idolatry by allowing them on several occasions to worship him without stopping them?
 





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But wouldn't that mean Jesus let his disciples commit idolatry by allowing them on several occasions to worship him without stopping them?
The Bible is not clear on that. Matter of fact Jesus contradicts himself on that according to the four biographies included in the New Testament.
These situations however also reveal a different nature when you don't read them through the Nicene Creed.
However nowhere in the entire NT does Jesus say directly that he is God or that he should be worshiped.
This is just later polemical reinterpretation of Old Testament phrases like "Son of God" and "Son of Man", such as in Isaiah and Ezekiel. It's quite funny and sticks out like a sore thumb if you understand what the Old Testament is saying.
 





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The Bible is not clear on that. Matter of fact Jesus contradicts himself on that according to the four biographies included in the New Testament.
These situations however also reveal a different nature when you don't read them through the Nicene Creed.
However nowhere in the entire NT does Jesus say directly that he is God or that he should be worshiped.
This is just later polemical reinterpretation of Old Testament phrases like "Son of God" and "Son of Man", such as in Isaiah and Ezekiel. It's quite funny and sticks out like a sore thumb if you understand what the Old Testament is saying.
You're right that it's never stated explicitly but surely Jesus would have stopped them given how dire the consequences for idolatry are? Given the staunchly Jewish context? He doesnt really.

As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him” (Matthew 2:11). The Bible records the initial response Jesus received when He made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem: “So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, ‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’” (Matthew 21:9; John 12:13) The word hosanna is a plea for salvation and an expression of adoration. This word used by the crowd is definitely a form of worship.

Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33). Two more memorable examples of Jesus accepting worship occurred just after His resurrection. Some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was He, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).

And Hebrew 1:6?
"And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.”

In Revelation, IIRC, the angel prevents John from worshipping him claiming that God alone is to be worshipped. Yet all of heaven and Earth is later said to worship "The Lamb".

If Jesus did not stop them and he truly is not meant to be worshipped then that means he allowed all those people to sin against God.
 





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