Should Pornography be Illegal?

Should Pornography be Illegal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 55.0%
  • Most Definitely

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • Fa Sho

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Yup

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Stone Pornographers

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Yes Plus 40 Lashes

    Votes: 8 40.0%

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#1
how does the presence of a camera magically make prostitution legal?

WALSH: 5 Reasons Why Porn Should Be Banned

If you had asked the average person 50 years ago whether it should be legal to distribute grotesque, hardcore pornography through a medium where people of all ages, especially kids and young teens, might have easy and free access to it, he probably would have been shocked that you even needed to ask the question. Of course it should not be legal, he would have said. We are civilized human beings, aren't we?
Ask the same question to the average person today and he will also be shocked that you felt the need to ask it. Only he is shocked for the opposite reason. Even the standard "conservative" in today's culture thinks that any discussion of banning or censoring porn is madness. Porn has been widely available through the internet for a couple of decades, therefore it must always and forever be available. He cannot possibly conceive of any other option.

But there is another option, whether or not the modern mind — with its extraordinarily limited field of vision, and its propensity to accept literally everything it sees as an absolute and unchangeable given — can imagine it.
Ross Douthat recently wrote a column for The New York Times making an excellent case for banning porn. I agree with his argument, and I think plenty more can and should be said. So I will offer, as a supplement, these five reasons for porn prohibition:
1) Porn is prostitution.
Prostitution is illegal in every state save one, yet pornography is legal in every state. The effect is that a person can go to jail for accepting money in exchange for sex — unless the sex is filmed and viewed by millions of other people. In that case, the prostitute and the pimp are free to carry on with their business. Prostitution is made legal by the presence of a camera. How does that make any sense?

It seems that a reasonable and honest person must either advocate for the prohibition of prostitution in all its forms, or for the legalization of prostitution in all its forms. I have no doubt that many people will happily choose the latter. But perhaps those people can stop just for a moment and ask themselves whether they really want their children to live in a country with internet porn exploding from every computer and Bunny Ranches on every street corner. In what way would that improve society? In what sense would it secure a brighter future for the next generation? Or have we devolved to such a state that we don't even consider these kinds of questions anymore?
2) Porn feeds the sex trafficking industry.
There is little sense in trying to fight sex trafficking while at the same time defending pornography as a sacred right. The link between the two is unmistakable and should be self-evident to any thinking person. Sex traffickers routinely force their slaves into pornography.
And how does the viewer of internet porn know whether a woman is "freely consenting" or not? Well, the same way he knows she's of legal age. He doesn't. He can't. He accepts that he may well be watching a drugged, abused, and coerced woman exploited for his pleasure. Her dignity, her liberty, her humanity is of no concern to him whatsoever. The porn viewer becomes morally complicit in the abuse of women. Not only complicit in it, but aroused by it. No wonder the Michigan State Police Department found that porn is used or imitated in over 40% of the sex crimes they investigate. Porn is a training ground for sexual deviants.

3) Porn destroys children.
An American child is first introduced to hardcore internet porn at the age of 11, on average. Plenty of kids are exposed at 8 or 9 or even younger. A child's developing brain is simply not prepared to handle it. He has no way of processing what he sees. He doesn't know what to do with it. He has no concept of healthy human sexuality, and whatever concept he now develops will be formed by internet smut. The psychological effects are obviously devastating.
We all know that our kids are being ruined by this stuff, yet we sit back, emasculated, acting as though we are powerless to do anything about it. We have determined that a smut peddler's "right" to spew filth all over society is somehow more sacrosanct, more worthy of protection, than our children's well being. We are truly pathetic.
4) Porn makes you less free.
There is nothing freeing about porn. A "free society" is not one that must, or should, feature easily accessed pornography. Porn kills freedom because it enslaves the viewer to his passions. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by pornography, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with porn, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they watch it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free.
5) Laws matter.
The law is a teacher. People are more likely to accept something as normal and moral if the law treats it as such. This is a simple fact of human nature. Laws are not amoral. They codify and communicate moral truths. The law should not automatically prohibit every immoral thing, but it should only prohibit immoral things. Our entire system of government is founded on Natural Law, which is itself a moral doctrine. Every law grows, or should grow, from that root.
It is said that we can't "legislate morality." I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I do know that we can and should legislate morally. That is, legislate according to the moral doctrine that created this country and served as the basis for all of its founding documents. Porn is such an extreme and insidious assault on Natural Law that a country built upon Natural Law must prohibit it.
Now, for the sake of efficiency, let me include a brief rebuttal to the four points that will be made against my position.
1) Porn is protected by the First Amendment.
No, it's not. Miller v. California found that obscenity is not protected speech and can be censored. Here's an interesting fact: Federal law already prohibits the distribution of obscene material. But the law is not applied or enforced as it should be.
2) So you want to ban porn but not guns? Hypocrite!
That's like accusing me of hypocrisy because you catch me eating a steak after I just got through explaining why you shouldn't eat diapers. "Oh, so NOW you think it's okay to eat things!" Yes, I never said that we shouldn't eat anything. I just said we shouldn't eat that particular thing.
Likewise, I never said we shouldn't ban anything. I just said we shouldn't ban guns. Guns are protected by the Bill of Rights. Porn is not. Guns are a tool that can be used to preserve our liberty. Porn is not. Guns have many positive applications. Porn does not. A gun is a morally neutral object whose dangers or benefits are determined entirely by the person using it. Porn is morally debased filth with no redeeming quality and there is no positive application for it.
3) Porn prohibition is unenforceable.
No, it's not. It would be no trouble to shut down the "professional" porn operations and go after the major porn sites like Porn Hub. As for the rest of it, the government could have as much success policing it as they have in policing child porn. Which is to say, they can't get rid of it all, but they can contain the problem and punish those who distribute the stuff.
4) It's a slippery slope.
What are you worried we might "slip" into? Decency? Lord, if only.
What exactly is the worst case scenario here? That the anti-porn law may be used against TV networks that broadcast obscene content? Well, okay, then. And why would that be such a horrific outcome? Until you can make a reasonable case that obscenity laws could be used to suppress the free and legitimate exchange of ideas, or somehow punish political dissent, I'm not going to worry much about slippery slopes. If the law was really stretched to its limits, the "worst" thing I can see happening is the censorship of sexually explicit material on TV and maybe the criminalization of strip clubs. All the better, as far as I can tell.
We've seen where the slippery slope leads when obscenity laws are not enforced. I feel quite certain that the slippery slope in the other direction could not possibly result in anything half as bad as our current situation.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27448/walsh-5-reasons-why-porn-should-be-banned-matt-walsh
 




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This is a good article, @Etagloc :)

With all the 'dirty' magazines available, I didn't know that it was illegal to sell obscene material. How do they get around that, I wonder.. maybe it isn't considered obscene?
 




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Most porn is misogynist, and I hate the capitalistic aspects of the industry, but this is just something to think about,there are a lot of guys who for whatever reason can't meet their sexual needs and removing this as an outlet will have unintended consequences.

And no one needs a lecture from Christian Hipster Douchebag Matt Walsh either.
 




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In the absence of objective moral standards, porn (and the case for it) becomes a matter of situational ethics. Taking that view, you could say that most people give away something of themselves in exchange for money. If we are only accountable to ourselves and the shifting standards of society, you could argue that providing there is no coercion to engage in it, and people are free to watch or not, and providing there are sufficient safeguards to protect children, what's the big deal?

...Unless that is we do not live in such an unaccountable world, and unless men and women were created with value and purpose above being mere playthings. If this were the case, society should not offer support to the forces that corrupt it and poison the minds of it's children.
 




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Most porn is misogynist, and I hate the capitalistic aspects of the industry, but this is just something to think about,there are a lot of guys who for whatever reason can't meet their sexual needs and removing this as an outlet will have unintended consequences.
It really is misogynistic. Combined with capitalism (or some form of it), it profits from the degradation of women, and the next unfortunate thing you mentioned-- the '... guys who for whatever reason can't meet their...'

So I wonder if the p* rn is related or even responsible for their plight. They won't make any progress toward solving their dilemma, if this is their solution-- if anything, they will regress after the steady influx of unreal (and wholly ridiculous) situations that are peddled to them as the Norm. Its NOT.

Unless they find a woman is into f*****g for sport, most will find those kind of antics/ acrobatics pathetic... I cannot emphasize that enough. Oddly, p* rn, somehow manages to both degrade women and portray them as hard to please, requiring the most crap-tastic feats to make them happy. Adventures in the grotesque for the maladjusted.. I just smh.

Offered as a paid subscription otoh-- it's the American way. Maybe offering that exclusively rather than the free for all we have now might be a solution. Tbh any censorship of the web makes me nervous but in reality-- this stuff isn't just bad for the underaged set-- it's so far removed from anything authentic that it's bad for anyone who indulges. Imo.
 




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I see where you guys are coming from really, but if it's banned it will still happen but now there will be no regulations on it, like I said unintended consequences.
If those consequences don’t outweigh the current ones then I think it’s worth the risk. Porn isn’t going anywhere though, there’s so much profit. The porn industry makes about $10-15 billion/yr in the USA
 




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Illegal on web will not work, you can find anything on web, hidden, illegal, restricted access... nothing will help. It's just the way web is, everything what was ever posted on web will remain here forever... Sad truth is porn industry can't be shut down... Too bad , because it's really very harmful especially for men...
 




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Most porn is misogynist, and I hate the capitalistic aspects of the industry, but this is just something to think about,there are a lot of guys who for whatever reason can't meet their sexual needs and removing this as an outlet will have unintended consequences.

And no one needs a lecture from Christian Hipster Douchebag Matt Walsh either.
It's an outlet for those who cannot get laid.
I'd hate to imagine even more crazed psychos out there killing people cause of this.
 




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Porn is not the same thing as prostitution. Are you going to try to ban sugar daddies next? Well that argument wont work. Because it's completely legal to have a sugar daddy. And it's not considered prostitution. So what's the difference?

The difference is a prostitute has no relationship with their clients other than to facilitate a sex act. You pay for sex, and you get sex. That is prostitution. Porn isn't like that at all.
 




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Porn is not the same thing as prostitution. Are you going to try to ban sugar daddies next? Well that argument wont work. Because it's completely legal to have a sugar daddy. And it's not considered prostitution. So what's the difference?

The difference is a prostitute has no relationship with their clients other than to facilitate a sex act. You pay for sex, and you get sex. That is prostitution. Porn isn't like that at all.
There’s not a huge difference between porn and prostitution, the motive is the same exact thing. You’re getting paid to have sex with someone. Porn is more exploitative because that image of you can be used an unlimited amount of times to pleasure millions of people. I don’t see how porn stars have a relationship with their clients outside of sex, how could you even know that?
 




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There’s not a huge difference between porn and prostitution, the motive is the same exact thing. You’re getting paid to have sex with someone. Porn is more exploitative because that image of you can be used an unlimited amount of times to pleasure millions of people. I don’t see how porn stars have a relationship with their clients outside of sex, how could you even know that?
So I'm guessing the concept of artistic expression is foreign to you.

According to the law there is a huge difference. Performers are considered a legitimate job. They pay taxes and have a lot of employment requirements. It's an employer/employee relationship that encompasses far more than just having sex.

Stop white knighting the whole porn thing. The women in porn don't need saved. The moral indignation present here is staggering. Because that's all that this is. It all amounts to simply saying "Porn is bad!". Well sorry to say that's not a solution. I see nothing here that's helpful in any way. Like what are all the porn stars going to do for employment after you ban their jobs?

Maybe the reason they are porn stars is because they have no good opportunities. The way I see it. Either way our cheap labor is being exploited. It doesn't matter what industry your in. I just don't think any of you really give a shit about exploited women.