Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

[Thunderian]

True, but enforcing the law of the land against fraud is.

Regards
DL

So what more needs to be regulated, if there are already laws on the books?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

So what more needs to be regulated, if there are already laws on the books?

I do not have a list in mind and laws on the books does not say that they are being enforced.

I could list health care for regulating.

If you watch the documentary movie Sicko, you might want to reduce your health care costs by about 6% plus save lot of people from bankruptcy when they happen to get ill. That would mean joining the rest of the free world though and the U.S. does not seem to want to do that.

Regards
DL

 

[KoncreteMind]

Yes, as that sounds like B.S.

Regards
DL

True, but enforcing the law of the land against fraud is.

Regards
DL

Glad we're in agreement concerning your position because, again, the tenets of this website say thay the law of the land was written by fraudsters. So youre essentially asking fraudsters who don't care about protecting people from fraud, to protect people from fraud.

 

[elsbet]

What do you have against freedom of association?

Do good ideas and their posters need to check with your small mind before deciding where to post?

Regards
DL

Good ideas and their posters, no-- but You, yes.. since you are offering. The application will be in a godless triplicate.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

But they do lie...Your chances of winning supposedly depends from probability theory, yet my friend was kicked out of casino because he used math...If you clever enough, casino is not for you...
Same thing prosperity churches give you false confirmation that you do everything right in life and your priorities are alright in exchange for some money. I would even go as far as to say that both sides are well aware it's a hoax. Simbiosis, zero victims...
I know you have problems with all churches, but as long as people will have various beliefs, they will have a need to practice them. And an attempt stop it by force (as history showed many times) would result in even greater passion for their religion...

Wait, how was your friend using math at a casino?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Glad we're in agreement concerning your position because, again, the tenets of this website say thay the law of the land was written by fraudsters. So youre essentially asking fraudsters who don't care about protecting people from fraud, to protect people from fraud.

According to the bible, those political people you call fraudsters were put there by God and that is why we are to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and that would include those who are charged to rid us of religious fraudsters. That is what Christianity did when they sold out to Constantine.

Did the site prove that it was fraudsters who wrote the law of the land?

If so, why are they not in court?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Good ideas and their posters, no-- but You, yes.. since you are offering. The application will be in a godless triplicate.

Meaningless B.S.
Thanks for showing your small mind yet again.

Regards
DL

 

[KoncreteMind]

According to the bible

No. That would be according to the NT that was according to some, written by the romans or Greeks trying to keep the Hebrews subdued.

Did the site prove that it was fraudsters who wrote the law of the land?

If so, why are they not in court?

Regards
DL

Well yes, I'd say VC provides some type of support for his beliefs. But your position makes no sense (yet again).

If the people who write/enforce the law of the land are allegedly corrupt, how would taking them to court (the courts they control) solve anything?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

No. That would be according to the NT that was according to some, written by the romans or Greeks trying to keep the Hebrews subdued.



Well yes, I'd say VC provides some type of support for his beliefs. But your position makes no sense (yet again).

If the people who write/enforce the law of the land are allegedly corrupt, how would taking them to court (the courts they control) solve anything?

IOW, the site has no proof, or it would lay a charge, as ey want to grow this site and doing so would have this place go viral.

We cannot prove our points and I will not suffer your "(yet again)" garbage.
Go away. I do not want to bother with such a small mind. Get better and less petty or get lost.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&ei=wRyUWquFHcm4tQXV74XQBw&q=fraud+laws&oq=fraud+laws&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.1003.11584.0.15863.10.10.0.0.0.0.114.1040.3j7.10.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.10.1037...0i131k1.0.nCgTyqsYAOA

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

If we are at the time which many Christians believe we are at in history, you may well get the government of your wishes, and the religion they regard as fraudulent will be heavily suppressed.

Just like a great looking second hand car, this new regime may not be all it promises...

 

[KoncreteMind]

IOW, the site has no proof, or it would lay a charge, as ey want to grow this site and doing so would have this place go viral.

Lay a charge with who? Again, your suggestion is that people take fraudsters to the court where other fraudsters make rulings. Makes no sense

We cannot prove our points and I will not suffer your "(yet again)" garbage.
Go away. I do not want to bother with such a small mind. Get better and less petty or get lost.

Regards
DL

No not "we". Maybe "you" but not "we"

And its too fun pulling your card and watching you squirm around it tho? I rail against religion, but I'm man enough to speak on what those in power do too. You're not because you're a gnostic like they are

 

[elsbet]

Meaningless B.S.

You reap what you sow.

lol

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

If we are at the time which many Christians believe we are at in history, you may well get the government of your wishes, and the religion they regard as fraudulent will be heavily suppressed.

Just like a great looking second hand car, this new regime may not be all it promises...

That or it might be the greatest used car ever, especially if all the lies/defects are already taken out of it.

Many prefer to buy a car where the previous owner has wasted a lot of time having the bugs taken out of it.

That is what Christianity did when they usurped the original Chrestian religion that I think was the original Gnostic Christian ideology.

Unlike Christians though, most used car buyers do not go out to kill the old owners.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

That or it might be the greatest used car ever, especially if all the lies/defects are already taken out of it.

Many prefer to buy a car where the previous owner has wasted a lot of time having the bugs taken out of it.

That is what Christianity did when they usurped the original Chrestian religion that I think was the original Gnostic Christian ideology.

Unlike Christians though, most used car buyers do not go out to kill the old owners.

Regards
DL

Ah ha... The version that is "neither oldest nor best!" The good name of Constantine Simonides was much maligned by the "higher critics"...

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/deceit-the-vatican-and-an-ancient-codex.393/

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Ah ha... The version that is "neither oldest nor best!" The good name of Constantine Simonides was much maligned by the "higher critics"...

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/deceit-the-vatican-and-an-ancient-codex.393/

Indeed.
It was more into creating good people than people people that thought a genocidal God son murdering God was somehow a good God.

That ideology was taken up by Gnostic Christians, like the Cathars, and that good man ideology was not favored by the disgusting orthodoxy.

I am not sure of this, but apparently the bible writers plan to take all of Revelation out of the future bibles as well as the term anti-Christ. That is spoken of in the last few minutes at the end of this link on the history of the bible. It also says that something like, if memory serves me, 12,000 alterations were done to Codex Sinaticus before even more translating was do for the bibles we have today.

So much for the WORD of God.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Indeed.
It was more into creating good people than people people that thought a genocidal God son murdering God was somehow a good God.

That ideology was taken up by Gnostic Christians, like the Cathars, and that good man ideology was not favored by the disgusting orthodoxy.

I am not sure of this, but apparently the bible writers plan to take all of Revelation out of the future bibles as well as the term anti-Christ. That is spoken of in the last few minutes at the end of this link on the history of the bible. It also says that something like, if memory serves me, 12,000 alterations were done to Codex Sinaticus before even more translating was do for the bibles we have today.

So much for the WORD of God.

Regards
DL

You didn't watch the video clip I posted up, did you ;-)

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

You didn't watch the video clip I posted up, did you ;-)

I have/am and are at the 41 min mark while writing this.

I agree that it is not what most think and gave my opinion on what it was before the fraudulent changes.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I have/am and are at the 41 min mark while writing this.

I agree that it is not what most think and gave my opinion on what it was before the fraudulent changes.

Regards
DL

I hope you know I'm not replying just to score cheap points off you GCB...

There has been a battle for the true manuscripts from the beginning. The difference between you and I is that you seem to have come to the view that the Gnostics had the original message, whereas I don't. This infographic is quite informative...

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I hope you know I'm not replying just to score cheap points off you GCB...

There has been a battle for the true manuscripts from the beginning. The difference between you and I is that you seem to have come to the view that the Gnostics had the original message, whereas I don't. This infographic is quite informative...

Point are given in arguments. We are not arguing. We are exchanging information and talking points.

I was talking plagiarism/forgery and you were talking of authenticity and what came first.

Because of the lack of original manuscripts, and proof, I gave up trying to show that Chrestians came before Christians and were the original founders of the documents Christianity stole.

Some of this may be of interest to you, especially the links, but I include all that I have that I thought pertinent when I was looking. I concluded a long time ago that the search was a dead end and no longer useful to me and I changed my focus to the morality, or lack of, in Christianity. With those, at least an end can be argued to. Perhaps your more analytical mind can gain more than I did from these as you have delved deeper into biblical history than I. I did have a few friends who also tried to cement the connection between Chrestians and Christians but they too could not do so. There was too much forgery going on back then according to scholar Bart Ehrman.

Do let me know if any of the Mountain man info is interesting.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/259255/deception-christian-lie-scriptural-chrestian-truth?page=1

thanks to mp , on the NWT translation thread,

I have looked this up, what an eye opener. It answers so many of my inner questions.

Chrestian - www.natzraya.org

The appearence of ''Christian'' in the Greek text is clearly an anachronism which has been paraded as supporting evidence for the christian name and faith both of which are counterfeit.

In fact, some lineages of Greek manuscripts were still faithfully copying Chrestian right up until 1044.

Chrestian - Greek – Chrestos having the meaning, good manners, or morals, pleasant, better, useful, kind, gracious

Christos - means to be anointed

The literal translation of Christians is ''anointed men'' or ''anointlings''

this is far removed from the general meaning of Chrestians which ''good men'.

Christians are fond of saying that christian menas ''followers of Christ'' as perhaps it should.

In practical terms, a Christian is one who practices Christianity, just as a Jew, Judaism, Hindu, Hinduism etc.

''Christians'' reveals a systematic effort to legitimise a new religious movement that otherwise had no scriptural or historical backing .

Consequently, the long standing tradition is the Church that Nero persecuted Christians is a historical fallacy.

this suggests that it was probably the natzraya (Nazarenes) that suffered, the only group called Chrestians by the common people.

Marcion the gnostic, and contrarian, certainly played a 'role' in popularising the name Christian.

he also switched the Greek titl of the Messiah from Christos to Chrestus.

Why did these heretics choose the name Christian?

Some researchers have suggested that the practical benefits of adopting the moniker derived from the illustrous name ''Christos'' loaned instant credibility to the new cult.

Notzrim (Nazarenes) are not Christians.

Since christianity is not what ''Christ'' practiced, then those who do practice Christianity can not literally be ''followers of Christ''.

Clearly Rabbi Yeshua was Jewish and practiced Judaism. There is nothing identifiably Christian about him.

Rabbi Yeshua's theology and religion was Judaism.

In the minds of Christians, christian means ''follower of Christ''

but in practical terms it means ''follower of the tenets of Christianity'' just like Ignatius defined.

The name originated with unbelievers who despised true believers, to designate themselves apart fom the original belief.

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http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/article_074.htm

https://sites.google.com/site/originsofchristianity/archaeology-of-chrest/phrygian-chrestianity

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxvcmlnaW5zb2ZjaHJpc3RpYW5pdHl8Z3g6MTAyYjc1YWI2OTA3ODY5OA

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Point are given in arguments. We are not arguing. We are exchanging information and talking points.

I was talking plagiarism/forgery and you were talking of authenticity and what came first.

Because of the lack of original manuscripts, and proof, I gave up trying to show that Chrestians came before Christians and were the original founders of the documents Christianity stole.

Some of this may be of interest to you, especially the links, but I include all that I have that I thought pertinent when I was looking. I concluded a long time ago that the search was a dead end and no longer useful to me and I changed my focus to the morality, or lack of, in Christianity. With those, at least an end can be argued to. Perhaps your more analytical mind can gain more than I did from these as you have delved deeper into biblical history than I. I did have a few friends who also tried to cement the connection between Chrestians and Christians but they too could not do so. There was too much forgery going on back then according to scholar Bart Ehrman.

Do let me know if any of the Mountain man info is interesting.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/259255/deception-christian-lie-scriptural-chrestian-truth?page=1

thanks to mp , on the NWT translation thread,

I have looked this up, what an eye opener. It answers so many of my inner questions.

Chrestian - www.natzraya.org

The appearence of ''Christian'' in the Greek text is clearly an anachronism which has been paraded as supporting evidence for the christian name and faith both of which are counterfeit.

In fact, some lineages of Greek manuscripts were still faithfully copying Chrestian right up until 1044.

Chrestian - Greek – Chrestos having the meaning, good manners, or morals, pleasant, better, useful, kind, gracious

Christos - means to be anointed

The literal translation of Christians is ''anointed men'' or ''anointlings''

this is far removed from the general meaning of Chrestians which ''good men'.

Christians are fond of saying that christian menas ''followers of Christ'' as perhaps it should.

In practical terms, a Christian is one who practices Christianity, just as a Jew, Judaism, Hindu, Hinduism etc.

''Christians'' reveals a systematic effort to legitimise a new religious movement that otherwise had no scriptural or historical backing .

Consequently, the long standing tradition is the Church that Nero persecuted Christians is a historical fallacy.

this suggests that it was probably the natzraya (Nazarenes) that suffered, the only group called Chrestians by the common people.

Marcion the gnostic, and contrarian, certainly played a 'role' in popularising the name Christian.

he also switched the Greek titl of the Messiah from Christos to Chrestus.

Why did these heretics choose the name Christian?

Some researchers have suggested that the practical benefits of adopting the moniker derived from the illustrous name ''Christos'' loaned instant credibility to the new cult.

Notzrim (Nazarenes) are not Christians.

Since christianity is not what ''Christ'' practiced, then those who do practice Christianity can not literally be ''followers of Christ''.

Clearly Rabbi Yeshua was Jewish and practiced Judaism. There is nothing identifiably Christian about him.

Rabbi Yeshua's theology and religion was Judaism.

In the minds of Christians, christian means ''follower of Christ''

but in practical terms it means ''follower of the tenets of Christianity'' just like Ignatius defined.

The name originated with unbelievers who despised true believers, to designate themselves apart fom the original belief.

------------------

http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/article_074.htm

https://sites.google.com/site/originsofchristianity/archaeology-of-chrest/phrygian-chrestianity

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxvcmlnaW5zb2ZjaHJpc3RpYW5pdHl8Z3g6MTAyYjc1YWI2OTA3ODY5OA

Regards
DL

You seem like someone with the brain power to dig into Bill Cooper, not the conspiracy theorist but the theologian...

https://www.billcooper.org.uk/books/

You might find some things that might make you want to change your first name, just like a famous Saul did a few years back ;-)