Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&ei=wRyUWquFHcm4tQXV74XQBw&q=fraud+laws&oq=fraud+laws&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.1003.11584.0.15863.10.10.0.0.0.0.114.1040.3j7.10.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.10.1037...0i131k1.0.nCgTyqsYAOA

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

 

[Vytas]

Donations should be voluntary, where i live it is that way. Sure there are paid services but no one is forced to use them... What is demonstrable lie for you is truth to another person.
In general people tend to have an opinion that they have a right to spend they money any way they please...Casino is obvious hoax, yet people like to spend money there and nobody have problems with that... There are countless number of hoaxes where billions disappear without trace. First that comes to mind for me is pharmakeia, but list is long and sure somewhere in the middle(if we list it by amount of money spent) of the list are prosperity churches...Neither biggest nor most harmful...
I would have it all as it is rather than put my trust in government to change something for the better...Where you think all money end up in the end?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Donations should be voluntary, where i live it is that way. Sure there are paid services but no one is forced to use them... What is demonstrable lie for you is truth to another person.
In general people tend to have an opinion that they have a right to spend they money any way they please...Casino is obvious hoax, yet people like to spend money there and nobody have problems with that... There are countless number of hoaxes where billions disappear without trace. First that comes to mind for me is pharmakeia, but list is long and sure somewhere in the middle(if we list it by amount of money spent) of the list are prosperity churches...Neither biggest nor most harmful...
I would have it all as it is rather than put my trust in government to change something for the better...Where you think all money end up in the end?

Thank for this.

Casino's do not lie to their marks/clients on a continuous basis.

That condition is what makes religions fraudulent.

Do you see the difference?

Further, to ignore that situation means that we are not living by the Golden Rule and are knowingly allowing evil to harm our neighbors.

Regards
DL

 

[Vytas]

But they do lie...Your chances of winning supposedly depends from probability theory, yet my friend was kicked out of casino because he used math...If you clever enough, casino is not for you...
Same thing prosperity churches give you false confirmation that you do everything right in life and your priorities are alright in exchange for some money. I would even go as far as to say that both sides are well aware it's a hoax. Simbiosis, zero victims...
I know you have problems with all churches, but as long as people will have various beliefs, they will have a need to practice them. And an attempt stop it by force (as history showed many times) would result in even greater passion for their religion...

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

But they do lie...Your chances of winning supposedly depends from probability theory, yet my friend was kicked out of casino because he used math...If you clever enough, casino is not for you...
Same thing prosperity churches give you false confirmation that you do everything right in life and your priorities are alright in exchange for some money. I would even go as far as to say that both sides are well aware it's a hoax. Simbiosis, zero victims...
I know you have problems with all churches, but as long as people will have various beliefs, they will have a need to practice them. And an attempt stop it by force (as history showed many times) would result in even greater passion for their religion...

I did not suggest force. I suggested that the law enforcers do their job of protecting the public from fraudsters.

As to your first, you confirmed that casino's were telling the truth and were afraid of someone with the skills to show he could take advantage of the odds.

Society id becoming more moral and to just allow religions to keep on with their open fraud is immoral.

Think of what the Golden Rule would have you do for the victims of those fraudsters.

Regards
DL

 

[KoncreteMind]

I did not suggest force. I suggested that the law enforcers do their job of protecting the public from fraudsters.

As to your first, you confirmed that casino's were telling the truth and were afraid of someone with the skills to show he could take advantage of the odds.

Society id becoming more moral and to just allow religions to keep on with their open fraud is immoral.

Think of what the Golden Rule would have you do for the victims of those fraudsters.

Regards
DL

The law enforcers according to this website are the fraudsters though. So what you're suggesting is that fraudsters be put into place to ensure people aren't frauded. Your positions always ignore that though

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

The law enforcers according to this website are the fraudsters though. So what you're suggesting is that fraudsters be put into place to ensure people aren't frauded. Your positions always ignore that though

Yes, as that sounds like B.S.

Regards
DL

 

[elsbet]

You aren't even taking the time to put the spaces back into your copypasta.

Fraud

 

[Renegade]

The same government who demand money(tax) with menaces(armed thugs will take you to jail for non payment)
Just cause its legal don't make it moral...

 

[Thunderian]

If people want to be spiritually defrauded, it's none of the government's business.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

You aren't even taking the time to put the spaces back into your copypasta.

Fraud

LOL.

So that is your only argument against what I put.

How small a mind you have if all you can articulate is a cheek shot on how the site picked up my post.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

If people want to be spiritually defrauded, it's none of the government's business.

True, but enforcing the law of the land against fraud is.

Regards
DL

 

[Aero]

I've heard of multiple stories of entire Churches full of people being scammed. An actual scam, where they were tricked into giving up their entire life savings. Not to a Church, but to one person or a snake if you will. Obviously I'm referring to an investment scam. But the point is, most of the people in these fraud cases don't ever get their money back. Even with Big Brothers the Government and the Bankers pretending to have our backs.

The American philosophy if you get defrauded is oh well, you were stupid. So if we don't take actual fraud very seriously, how in the hell do you expect anyone to take religious fraud seriously? This is like the land of the fraudsters we are talking about here. Where people actually like the snake oil salesmen. Like nobody cares how anyone gets their money. Having money or not is all that matters.

Every fraud case I read about the perp lives like a King. There is nothing there to stop them. Only people who will eventually catch up to them.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I've heard of multiple stories of entire Churches full of people being scammed. An actual scam, where they were tricked into giving up their entire life savings. Not to a Church, but to one person or a snake if you will. Obviously I'm referring to an investment scam. But the point is, most of the people in these fraud cases don't ever get their money back. Even with Big Brothers the Government and the Bankers pretending to have our backs.

The American philosophy if you get defrauded is oh well, you were stupid. So if we don't take actual fraud very seriously, how in the hell do you expect anyone to take religious fraud seriously? This is like the land of the fraudsters we are talking about here. Where people actually like the snake oil salesmen. Like nobody cares how anyone gets their money. Having money or not is all that matters.

Every fraud case I read about the perp lives like a King. There is nothing there to stop them. Only people who will eventually catch up to them.

The people get what they vote for.

If they want to tolerate or support being lied to, then shame on them for not being able to think or even feel what is being jammed up them.

Their leaders have them by exactly what they want to squeeze.

Regards
DL

 

[Aero]

The people get what they vote for.

If they want to tolerate or support being lied to, then shame on them for not being able to think or even feel what is being jammed up them.

Their leaders have them by exactly what they want to squeeze.

Regards
DL

But the people don't have a real choice. Every issue has literally been reduced to the sounding of dog whistles. We are in the middle of the lowest common denominator of communication. Nobody is looking for common ground, but why would they? There is nothing to gain. There's not even a little bit of incentive.

All of our leaders are pathetically weak. The optics are, that there is nowhere to turn to. We have to abandon the politics of the two party system or we will be stuck in the same rut. The decline of every aspect of America that's at least 30 years in the making. While the fools cheer on the military complex, police state, central banking and welfare.

America could be burning to the ground and the patriots will be like. Would you look at that?!? America lights the very best dumpster fires.

 

[Lurker]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&ei=wRyUWquFHcm4tQXV74XQBw&q=fraud+laws&oq=fraud+laws&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.1003.11584.0.15863.10.10.0.0.0.0.114.1040.3j7.10.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.10.1037...0i131k1.0.nCgTyqsYAOA

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Who gets to decide which religions are fraudulent? Or are you suggesting that all religions are fraudulent?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

But the people don't have a real choice. Every issue has literally been reduced to the sounding of dog whistles. We are in the middle of the lowest common denominator of communication. Nobody is looking for common ground, but why would they? There is nothing to gain. There's not even a little bit of incentive.

All of our leaders are pathetically weak. The optics are, that there is nowhere to turn to. We have to abandon the politics of the two party system or we will be stuck in the same rut. The decline of every aspect of America that's at least 30 years in the making. While the fools cheer on the military complex, police state, central banking and welfare.

America could be burning to the ground and the patriots will be like. Would you look at that?!? America lights the very best dumpster fires.

I hear you on the two party system. The polarization is killing the U.S.

You are correct on the lack of choice because one set of oligarchs owning your politicians is about the same as having the other side's oligarchs owning them. It is the same greed regardless of the party affiliation.

The U.S. is hitting rock bottom and it will either die or bounce back to a better form. Time will tell, but the longer it takes the harder it will take to bounce back, if it ever does.

China is already the only one kicking butt and gaining greatly against the U.S.

Regards
DL

 

[elsbet]

LOL.

So that is your only argument against what I put.

How small a mind you have if all you can articulate is a cheek shot on how the site picked up my post.

Regards
DL

That was not an argument-- it was an observation, and the link was a PSA-- this has been posted on a gazillion message boards.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Who gets to decide which religions are fraudulent? Or are you suggesting that all religions are fraudulent?

All the mainstream supernaturally based religions are fraudulent as it takes lies to keep them alive. The human knowledge and wisdom based religions do not need lies and are palatable. That would be some Buddhist sects, Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christianity. Those 3 put man above God where we belong, and why not, as we create all the Gods and should not subvert ourselves for our own creations.

As to who decides. The law enforcers just as they do for all other fraud. They just have to stop giving respect to religions, like Christianity and Islam, which do not deserve it thanks to their homophobic and misogynous anti-equality ideologies.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

That was not an argument-- it was an observation, and the link was a PSA-- this has been posted on a gazillion message boards.

What do you have against freedom of association?

Do good ideas and their posters need to check with your small mind before deciding where to post?

Regards
DL