Sex work should be decriminalized

[TempestOfTempo]

Yeah I was wondering about that too.

Perhaps they will further expand upon their position...

 

[sickgirl15]

(I don't know if someone already made a thread on this matter, just thought I would post this.)

"Criminalization makes sex workers more vulnerable to violence, including r*pe, assault, and murder, by attackers who see sex workers as easy targets because they are stigmatized and unlikely to receive help from the police. Criminalization may also force sex workers to work in unsafe locations to avoid the police.

Criminalization consistently undermines sex workers’ ability to seek justice for crimes against them.
They said that they are afraid of being arrested because their work is illegal and that their experience with police is of being harassed or profiled and arrested, or laughed at or not taken seriously. "

"Does decriminalizing sex work encourage other human rights violations such as human trafficking and sexual exploitation?
Sex work is the consensual exchange of sex between adults. Human trafficking and sexual exploitation are separate issues. They are both serious human rights abuses and crimes and should always be investigated and prosecuted."

"Governments should fully decriminalize sex work and ensure that sex workers do not face discrimination in law or practice. They should also strengthen services for sex workers and ensure that they have safe working conditions and access to public benefits and social safety nets."

source

Hi

(I don't know if someone already made a thread on this matter, just thought I would post this.)

"Criminalization makes sex workers more vulnerable to violence, including r*pe, assault, and murder, by attackers who see sex workers as easy targets because they are stigmatized and unlikely to receive help from the police. Criminalization may also force sex workers to work in unsafe locations to avoid the police.

Criminalization consistently undermines sex workers’ ability to seek justice for crimes against them.
They said that they are afraid of being arrested because their work is illegal and that their experience with police is of being harassed or profiled and arrested, or laughed at or not taken seriously. "

"Does decriminalizing sex work encourage other human rights violations such as human trafficking and sexual exploitation?
Sex work is the consensual exchange of sex between adults. Human trafficking and sexual exploitation are separate issues. They are both serious human rights abuses and crimes and should always be investigated and prosecuted."

"Governments should fully decriminalize sex work and ensure that sex workers do not face discrimination in law or practice. They should also strengthen services for sex workers and ensure that they have safe working conditions and access to public benefits and social safety nets."

source

Hi, in my opinion, the act of kidnapping ANY human be

(I don't know if someone already made a thread on this matter, just thought I would post this.)

"Criminalization makes sex workers more vulnerable to violence, including r*pe, assault, and murder, by attackers who see sex workers as easy targets because they are stigmatized and unlikely to receive help from the police. Criminalization may also force sex workers to work in unsafe locations to avoid the police.

Criminalization consistently undermines sex workers’ ability to seek justice for crimes against them.
They said that they are afraid of being arrested because their work is illegal and that their experience with police is of being harassed or profiled and arrested, or laughed at or not taken seriously. "

"Does decriminalizing sex work encourage other human rights violations such as human trafficking and sexual exploitation?
Sex work is the consensual exchange of sex between adults. Human trafficking and sexual exploitation are separate issues. They are both serious human rights abuses and crimes and should always be investigated and prosecuted."

"Governments should fully decriminalize sex work and ensure that sex workers do not face discrimination in law or practice. They should also strengthen services for sex workers and ensure that they have safe working conditions and access to public benefits and social safety nets."

source

Hi, in my opinion the absolutely horrific, extremely traumatizing, and evil act of kidnapping ANY human being against their will by greedy, cruel, and (pure evil) perpetrators for the mere sake of making money by forcing these victims to be RAPED continuously (several times a day) by various “johns” (paying “clients”), the perps themselves, as well as physically & emotionally abusing, threatening, forcing them to become addicted to an array of powerful narcotics, as well as holding them hostage (sex trafficking) must be a never ending nightmarish “existence” for the victim. I have watched raw interviews with the (lucky & blessed) survivors of this unspeakable crime; which is motivated by power, intimidation, torture, & greed. The individuals responsible for choosing to force people into sexual slavery against their will should be…(well..I will spare everyone the details of the punishment I would love to see them endure; I’ll end with that). The interviews with the (mostly women & girls) who were forced to endure this both harrowing & barbaric abuse brought me to tears…The issue here for me is..where are these heartless men who know the situation of these victims; yet make the choice to seek out these “forced services,” and pay money to r*pe these victims. This is not just a low-grossing “industry…” Just as the disgusting “industry” of “child pornography” (the poor kids are usually kidnapped, and also sadly their own demented & hateful “parents” choose to heartlessly exploit them behind closed doors, video tape them torturing their own kids (I read the name of the perverse genre is called “Hurtcore,”) and sell the evil, f**ked up videos for profit. I believe I read this is a billion dollar so called “business..” Peter Scully was doing this..(Google at your own risk..) The country he did this in was so horrified they were going to reinstate the death penalty for this twisted b**tard! BUT…by “a very strange coincidence” all of the evidence against him was “accidentally burned up in a fire!” Bullsh*t!! The sad truth is that money talks, and there has to be a “want” (not NEED) in society for such “products” (I say products sarcastically..human beings are NOT products to be sold against their will & exploited…then, when they have no use for these victims anymore..(and if they are not rescued, escape, etc..) the inevitable tragically occurs. Death.

 

[Lizard King]

Hi

Hi, in my opinion, the act of kidnapping ANY human be

Hi, in my opinion the absolutely horrific, extremely traumatizing, and evil act of kidnapping ANY human being against their will by greedy, cruel, and (pure evil) perpetrators for the mere sake of making money by forcing these victims to be RAPED continuously (several times a day) by various “johns” (paying “clients”), the perps themselves, as well as physically & emotionally abusing, threatening, forcing them to become addicted to an array of powerful narcotics, as well as holding them hostage (sex trafficking) must be a never ending nightmarish “existence” for the victim. I have watched raw interviews with the (lucky & blessed) survivors of this unspeakable crime; which is motivated by power, intimidation, torture, & greed. The individuals responsible for choosing to force people into sexual slavery against their will should be…(well..I will spare everyone the details of the punishment I would love to see them endure; I’ll end with that). The interviews with the (mostly women & girls) who were forced to endure this both harrowing & barbaric abuse brought me to tears…The issue here for me is..where are these heartless men who know the situation of these victims; yet make the choice to seek out these “forced services,” and pay money to r*pe these victims. This is not just a low-grossing “industry…” Just as the disgusting “industry” of “child pornography” (the poor kids are usually kidnapped, and also sadly their own demented & hateful “parents” choose to heartlessly exploit them behind closed doors, video tape them torturing their own kids (I read the name of the perverse genre is called “Hurtcore,”) and sell the evil, f**ked up videos for profit. I believe I read this is a billion dollar so called “business..” Peter Scully was doing this..(Google at your own risk..) The country he did this in was so horrified they were going to reinstate the death penalty for this twisted b**tard! BUT…by “a very strange coincidence” all of the evidence against him was “accidentally burned up in a fire!” Bullsh*t!! The sad truth is that money talks, and there has to be a “want” (not NEED) in society for such “products” (I say products sarcastically..human beings are NOT products to be sold against their will & exploited…then, when they have no use for these victims anymore..(and if they are not rescued, escape, etc..) the inevitable tragically occurs. Death.

You right. Also even on Amazon Prime there are hundreds of movies of women being tortured or trafficking or slasher movies. Some pretend to be " documentaries " but it's just exploitation. And then there are all the slasher movies which are girls being killed. Ted Bundy himself said in an interview that was what started him off was some porn he found in the trash when he was a kid. To be honest I would be afraid to go outside if I was a girl. My advice to females is always carry a deadly weapon and don't trust anyone especially males. I hate to say it but I can see why there are so many lesbians around.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

You right. Also even on Amazon Prime there are hundreds of movies of women being tortured or trafficking or slasher movies. Some pretend to be " documentaries " but it's just exploitation. And then there are all the slasher movies which are girls being killed. Ted Bundy himself said in an interview that was what started him off was some porn he found in the trash when he was a kid. To be honest I would be afraid to go outside if I was a girl. My advice to females is always carry a deadly weapon and don't trust anyone especially males. I hate to say it but I can see why there are so many lesbians around.

Its astounding/heartbreaking/enraging to learn that in his final days, Ted Bundy came clean and issued a dire warning about not only porn but other media which promotes sexual violence towards females and the effects it has on people... only to have many of the same "outraged" liberal/conservative voices suddenly dovetail into denial of his horrific, yet undeniable truth.

 

[Green-leaf]

You find "hetero sex" inherently degrading and violent... but not homosexual activity? Especially male homosexuality? Talk about selective outrage lol

Can you read or are you trolling ?
I said

find hetero sex inherently degrading

I didn't say violent, I didn't mention homosexuality anywhere, learn how to read. This topic is about sex work, most of the clients are male, and most of the sex workers are female.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Can you read or are you trolling ?
I said

I didn't say violent, I didn't mention homosexuality anywhere, learn how to read. This topic is about sex work, most of the clients are male, and most of the sex workers are female.

Anyone can read your words. You oppose "hetero" sex unless it conforms to your own personal interpretation of what it should be and have made no secret that you believe it to be a predatory act instead of a consensual exchange. You dont feel the same regarding homosexuality. All I did was ask for clarification of that stance which you now semi-deny.

 

[Green-leaf]

Anyone can read your words.

You reduced my well thought-out, well written post to one sentence that made you uncomfortable. Reacting to words and isolated phrases instead of general meaning.

You oppose "hetero" sex unless it conforms to your own personal interpretation of what it should be

I don't "oppose" hetero sex lol (what does that even mean?). I stated I wouldn't engage in it myself, that opinion engages only me.

and have made no secret that you believe it to be a predatory act instead of a consensual exchange.

You're conflating apples and oranges and seem to be oversimplifying my statements because you can't handle nuance. And are also dragging what I wrote in another thread onto this one, after I told you "have a nice day" to end the conversation.

But I think r*pe fantasies in males is due to biology. Even in the animal species, the most primal way to exert control/dominion over another creature is to mount them by force, generally a female but sometimes even a weaker male. Even in prison, the r*pe of other male inmates is used to establish some form of hierarchy, the weaker, less dominant males are the betas, the ones getting penetrated. The act of penetration in itself is violent without its social significance.

The last comments on this thread have been arguing that men pose a threat to women's safety. One man even claimed he would be afraid to even go outside if he was a woman, so I'm not being irrational by making these claims.
And yes, sex can and does contribute to a patriarchal society and the power division men have over women.
Women are much more prone to feel pain, much at risk to get and develop a disease/infection, and to finish there's the risk of unwanted pregnancy. Not to mention, sexual violence is prevalent, so you could well end up with one of these sexual predators/rapists. Not to mention the social stigma and being treated as disposable if you're a sex worker/ engage in hookup culture. Men also get way more pleasure during sex and are way more likely to orgasm, it's called the orgasm gap. And with the abortion bans, and the prohibition of birth control, it reenforces the notion that men view women as broodmares and refuse to give them bodily autonomy. The risk of unwanted pregnancy is even higher. This belief that women are brood mares is especially prevalent in religious spaces (coincidentally there are a lot of religious chauvinists on this forum)I feel pity for straight women. But again that's not my problem and they make a conscious decision.

 

[irrationalNinja]

And with the abortion bans, and the prohibition of birth control, it reenforces the notion that men view women as broodmares and refuse to give them bodily autonomy.

Unfortunate for your argument, but most people who oppose abortion are women (a majority); as opposed to an outspoken fringe of radical pro-abortion psychos and dupes. It is a majority of women who are voting to limit abortion, not men.

So with the majority of women taking a pro-life position, it would appear abortion has nothing to do with body autonomy or WOMEN’S rights: Just some fringe group using the Marxist oppression matrix to demand special privileges in an attempt to get something for nothing—the typical feminist trope.

 

[elsbet]

@Green-leaf

"And with the abortion bans,​

and the prohibition of birth​

control..."​

Where has birth control been prohibited?
To my knowledge, only Catholics (not to be confused with Christians, Protestants) forbid the use of birth control within the confines of marriage.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

You reduced my well thought-out, well written post to one sentence that made you uncomfortable. Reacting to words and isolated phrases instead of general meaning.


I don't "oppose" hetero sex lol (what does that even mean?). I stated I wouldn't engage in it myself, that opinion engages only me.


You're conflating apples and oranges and seem to be oversimplifying my statements because you can't handle nuance. And are also dragging what I wrote in another thread onto this one, after I told you "have a nice day" to end the conversation.


The last comments on this thread have been arguing that men pose a threat to women's safety. One man even claimed he would be afraid to even go outside if he was a woman, so I'm not being irrational by making these claims.
And yes, sex can and does contribute to a patriarchal society and the power division men have over women.
Women are much more prone to feel pain, much at risk to get and develop a disease/infection, and to finish there's the risk of unwanted pregnancy. Not to mention, sexual violence is prevalent, so you could well end up with one of these sexual predators/rapists. Not to mention the social stigma and being treated as disposable if you're a sex worker/ engage in hookup culture. Men also get way more pleasure during sex and are way more likely to orgasm, it's called the orgasm gap. And with the abortion bans, and the prohibition of birth control, it reenforces the notion that men view women as broodmares and refuse to give them bodily autonomy. The risk of unwanted pregnancy is even higher. This belief that women are brood mares is especially prevalent in religious spaces (coincidentally there are a lot of religious chauvinists on this forum)I feel pity for straight women. But again that's not my problem and they make a conscious decision.

You typed a bunch of new words to try and excuse the older words which you already posted.

 

[Green-leaf]

Unfortunate for your argument, but most people who oppose abortion are women (a majority); as opposed to an outspoken fringe of radical pro-abortion psychos and dupes. It is a majority of women who are voting to limit abortion, not men.

So with the majority of women taking a pro-life position, it would appear abortion has nothing to do with body autonomy or WOMEN’S rights: Just some fringe group using the Marxist oppression matrix to demand special privileges in an attempt to get something for nothing—the typical feminist trope.

hm, women can and do act against their best ineterests all the time. A bunch of white women voted for Trump despite him being a misogynist. And most of the misogyny/misogynistic abuse I've received here was from other women.

Where has birth control been prohibited?
To my knowledge, only Catholics (not to be confused with Christians, Protestants) forbid the use of birth control within the confines of marriage.

They haven't yet, but that's the next step.

Overturning Roe Could Lead to Restrictions on Birth Control

Access to copper IUDs and the morning-after pill arguably are not 'deeply-rooted' in American tradition

time.com

 

[irrationalNinja]

hm, women can and do act against their best ineterests all the time. A bunch of white women voted for Trump despite him being a misogynist. And most of the misogyny/misogynistic abuse I've received here was from other women.

The point is, abortion has nothing to do women’s rights. If it did, more women would support it. However, support for abortion remains higher among men than women. Why do you think that is?

More men than women are fighting for the capability to abort babies. It would appear more men are affected by not being able to abort than are women—as the largest number of anti-abortion people are women.

If there are more pro-choice men than women, and more men than women are fighting to keep a federal mandate on abortion, then doesn’t that make it the opposite of a women’s rights issue, considering, as a group, the pro-choice men outnumber the women, and rather than women, men appear more affected and more invested in abortion?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

@Green-leaf

"And with the abortion bans,​

and the prohibition of birth​

control..."​

Where has birth control been prohibited?
To my knowledge, only Catholics (not to be confused with Christians, Protestants) forbid the use of birth control within the confines of marriage.

This person apparently doesnt

hm, women can and do act against their best ineterests all the time. A bunch of white women voted for Trump despite him being a misogynist. And most of the misogyny/misogynistic abuse I've received here was from other women.

They haven't yet, but that's the next step.

Overturning Roe Could Lead to Restrictions on Birth Control

Access to copper IUDs and the morning-after pill arguably are not 'deeply-rooted' in American tradition

time.com

"women can and do act against their best ineterests all the time"
Do you also agree that ethnic minorities can be racist?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

The point is, abortion has nothing to do women’s rights. If it did, more women would support it. However, support for abortion remains higher among men than women. Why do you think that is?

More men than women are fighting for the capability to abort babies. It would appear more men are affected by not being able to abort than are women—as the largest number of anti-abortion people are women.

If there are more pro-choice men than women, and more men than women are fighting to keep a federal mandate on abortion, then doesn’t that make it the opposite of a women’s rights issue, considering, as a group, the pro-choice men outnumber the women, and rather than women, men appear more affected and more invested in abortion?

Touche...

 

[elsbet]

This person apparently doesnt

"women can and do act against their best ineterests all the time"
Do you also agree that ethnic minorities can be racist?

Ah... what she perceives to be their "best interests"-- but by her own admission, she has a very limited world view.

I think it was Hillary who originally made the observation... I've heard it before as "voting against their own interests."

Do you also agree that ethnic minorities can be racist?​

Are you posing the question to me or to greenleaf?
-

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Ah... what she perceives to be their "best interests"-- but by her own admission, she has a very limited world view.

I think it was Hillary who originally made the observation... I've heard it before as "voting against their own interests."

Do you also agree that ethnic minorities can be racist?​

Are you posing the question to me or to greenleaf?
-

Greenleaf

 

[Green-leaf]

ThE pOiNt iS, aBoRtioN hAs NotHinG To do WoMeN’s riGhTs.

Yes einstein.

 

[Green-leaf]

Ah... what she perceives to be their "best interests"-- but by her own admission, she has a very limited world view.

Where did I say this, find the exact post where I said this and quote it. How are you gonna impress the boys if you can't even be honest in your assertions, elsbet and need to make things up ? And since you have so much to offer to this forum and make so many useful and constructive observations that demonstrate your critical thinking abilities and intellect. I'm gonna assume you have a lot of perspective on the world, and probably travelled to many countries, lol americans are known to get out of their country. /s

 

[elsbet]

They haven't yet, but that's the next step.

Overturning Roe Could Lead to Restrictions on Birth Control

Access to copper IUDs and the morning-after pill arguably are not 'deeply-rooted' in American tradition

time.com

I seriously doubt it.
This article is misleading, at best.

Excerpt:

Some lawmakers who have expressed support for restrictions on contraception have faced backlash.​

Alright.
If that is the case, why didn't the author cite the lawmakers who "expressed support for restrictions on contraception" in her article?

Instead, she wrote about lawmakers who were accused of supporting restrictions on birth control. In reality, however, they were either very much in favor of birth control, or had no interest in making changes.

According to the (3) lawmakers:

Crane... supports contraceptives like IUDs, but would hold hearings on pills that induce abortion.
More on the Disinfo, here--> LINK

Tate... the state isn't currently focused on it (birth control).

Masters*... "of course I don’t think contraceptives should be outlawed."
* Masters is considering a lawsuit against the Sun because their article "wildly misrepresents" his views. Obviously, he is not alone... be sure to check out the heavily edited video hit piece on Crane.

Unless the abortion pill has been reclassified as a contraceptive device, this article is nothing more than cleverly worded Disinformation.

Its purpose is, seemingly, to create unnecessary drama and induce widespread, pearl-clutching, panicked chaos. It's ridiculous.
...

Anyone want to address the references to the 9th amendment / Griswold v. Connecticut (Casey)--> Fed law/power versus the State, and the expectation of privacy?

It was integral to the Roe v. Wade decision-- a lot of people believe it was used illegitimately.

(I haven't read through the rest of the thread... apologies if its been covered, already.)