Secular Music: Demonic Influence?

Lisa

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I'm not sure about that, but I do think music does influence people because people get so emotionally tied up in listening to it. Someone likes a song because the songwriter understands their pain or writes about something the person wants to do but maybe wouldn't but the singer is kinda tempting them a little....go ahead do it...and don't forget the influence of musicians and celebrities on people. Who knows how many people have followed Miley Cyrus off the deep end?
 

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Taliban Threats, Attacks Silence Pakistani Singer
By Anne Garrels

All Things Considered, · In Pakistan, Muslim religious extremists have long sought to ban secular music — and in some parts of the country, militants are enforcing their views with violence.

In areas controlled by the Taliban, CD stores have been destroyed or forced to shut down. Musicians have fled or been silenced, and fear is spreading even in areas where the Taliban is not in full control. One popular singer from the city of Peshawar no longer dares perform.

For Pashtuns, the dominant ethnic group in Pakistan's rugged northwest, the voice of Gulzar Alam could bring tears. Drawing on their favorite poets, he sang of love, pride and nationalist aspirations. He packed local halls and was the musician of choice for weddings. He was handsome, well dressed, with a bit of the matinee idol about him.

Now, he sits on the floor of a slum, wrapped in a traditional shawl. His shaggy hair and scraggly beard are shot with gray.

He laughs ruefully at what he has become: an old man before his time who cannot afford to shave.

Alam's problems started seven years ago when a coalition of religious parties won elections in Pakistan's northwest. The authorities harassed him, and a crowd attacked his house with rocks. He and his family fled south to Baluchistan.

Last year, after the religious coalition in the northwest was defeated, the new secular Pashtun government urged him to return — promising he would now be safe. It was a promise the government could not fulfill.

"Four months ago, performers were attacked as they returned from a function. Four musicians were injured, one was killed. No one is safe from the Taliban here. People have retreated into self-imposed censorship," Alam says.

Once again, Alam began receiving threatening phone calls. He was shot at on the street.

He returned to Baluchistan, but found that the Taliban is now threatening musicians there, too. He tried to find gigs in the port city of Karachi, but there, he faced a different problem: ethnic violence against Pashtuns.

Back in Peshawar, he is afraid to perform. He has no source of income. After his elder brother turned him away, fearing the singer would put him in danger, Alam, his wife and five children sought refuge with other relatives. Now, three large families are crammed into three dank, dark rooms with no running water.

"It's like falling from the sky to earth," says Rukhsana Muqaddas, Alam's wife. "Before this we had a very modern, wonderful life. We used to send our kids to good schools. Now, we can't afford to educate them at all."

Alam's favorite song, a Pashtun ballad about loss of identity, has taken on a new meaning. Once the voice of the Pashtun downtrodden, Alam is now a member, his dreams of a peaceful Pashtun renaissance hijacked by the Taliban.

In downtown Peshawar, some music stores are still open. Arshat Khan has come from an outlying area, where all of the stores have been closed, to buy CDs of his favorite singers; Alam is among them. Although his old recordings are still on sale, there is no system of royalties. So while it may warm Alam's heart to know he is loved, this doesn't fill his children's stomachs.

Khan says cultural life has come to a standstill.

"Life is colorless. ... It's like living in [a] world that is black and white. You have just to eat and excrete and live under perpetual fear," Khan says.
 

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I don't know about that. Frankly, the notion that such a thing could be real seems completely tinfoil. I'm sure they'd LIKE to be able to possess people like that but it's hardly quite that simple.

I think the much more pertinent problem is simply peoples' behavior, complete absence of moral standards and wilful ignorance. So, a band openly promotes Satanic imagery... Why do people listen to it? Is it just because it's "rebellious"? When he isn't busy promoting transhumanism, Daft Punk stages a concert from inside a pyramid with an illuminated capstone... that's just swell, right? Illuminati is so cool! Yeah, and let's throw up some 'devil horn' signs while we're at it, just for fun and because we really just don't care. Millions and millions on views on videos chock full of so much 'Illuminati' imagery and messages of superficiality, death cult, and outright Satanism you can't possibly overlook it or even begin to explain it away... and people just suck it up and post messages like "where do I sign up" after having just viewed a music video where a kid gets tortured. To quote a VC comment: "yeah, we're idiots".

These people are, in a sense, already possessed.
 

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Demonic entities are everywhere. I've personally experienced possessions before, and it's not just in my head. Is it demonology, or simply hypnosis? Some people are more vulnerable than others to hypnosis, and we should always keep that in mind when talking about the subconscious.

As far as the entertainment industry goes. They are all just super pretentious and full of themselves. Being illuminated has nothing to do with being some superstar celebrity and having money. They are mostly pawns, I mean 90% of their income gets robbed from them anyway, and they just take it.

Think about it. Once you are a huge superstar that's world famous. Why do you need managers? Why do you need a record contract? They could all go independent and probably make more money!
 

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They are mostly pawns, I mean 90% of their income gets robbed from them anyway, and they just take it.

Think about it. Once you are a huge superstar that's world famous. Why do you need managers? Why do you need a record contract? They could all go independent and probably make more money!
so true
 

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Demonic entities are everywhere. I've personally experienced possessions before, and it's not just in my head. Is it demonology, or simply hypnosis? Some people are more vulnerable than others to hypnosis, and we should always keep that in mind when talking about the subconscious.

As far as the entertainment industry goes. They are all just super pretentious and full of themselves. Being illuminated has nothing to do with being some superstar celebrity and having money. They are mostly pawns, I mean 90% of their income gets robbed from them anyway, and they just take it.

Think about it. Once you are a huge superstar that's world famous. Why do you need managers? Why do you need a record contract? They could all go independent and probably make more money!
I do agree that 90% of them are pawn and if you don't submit to their agenda then they will just replace you with another puppet. I disagree though with "Think about it. Once you are a huge superstar that's world famous. Why do you need managers? Why do you need a record contract? They could all go independent and probably make more money!"

Remember you are the product and someone should market you, take care of PR, manage your schedule and all that jazz. Never seen a product without its own marketing or sales team.
 

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Definitely believe some secular music is when some songs themselves are about the occult and satan worship! Romantic love songs though.... that's quite a stretch.

Probably these days the film clips need to be considered as well. Some of the songs I've heard sound harmless enough and then I see the video - wow the amount of near nudity and ugly images would never have been allowed in the 80s when I was a teenager.
 

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I do agree that 90% of them are pawn and if you don't submit to their agenda then they will just replace you with another puppet. I disagree though with "Think about it. Once you are a huge superstar that's world famous. Why do you need managers? Why do you need a record contract? They could all go independent and probably make more money!"

Remember you are the product and someone should market you, take care of PR, manage your schedule and all that jazz. Never seen a product without its own marketing or sales team.
Idk man. I don't see a lot of marketing campaigns running for products that are already everywhere. Sure it happens but most of the promotional events happen for new products. And Celebrities don't need a PR person, unless they are constantly getting sued I guess.

I can see them needing an assistant or like a secretary. But what I'm saying is, the ones who are the most famous and well known can do whatever they want. They can make their own schedule based on whatever they feel like doing. An independent person also spends far less money doing their own marketing. Because there aren't 1,000 other people all getting a piece of the eventual pie.
 

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Taliban Threats, Attacks Silence Pakistani Singer
By Anne Garrels

All Things Considered, · In Pakistan, Muslim religious extremists have long sought to ban secular music — and in some parts of the country, militants are enforcing their views with violence.

In areas controlled by the Taliban, CD stores have been destroyed or forced to shut down. Musicians have fled or been silenced, and fear is spreading even in areas where the Taliban is not in full control. One popular singer from the city of Peshawar no longer dares perform.

For Pashtuns, the dominant ethnic group in Pakistan's rugged northwest, the voice of Gulzar Alam could bring tears. Drawing on their favorite poets, he sang of love, pride and nationalist aspirations. He packed local halls and was the musician of choice for weddings. He was handsome, well dressed, with a bit of the matinee idol about him.

Now, he sits on the floor of a slum, wrapped in a traditional shawl. His shaggy hair and scraggly beard are shot with gray.

He laughs ruefully at what he has become: an old man before his time who cannot afford to shave.

Alam's problems started seven years ago when a coalition of religious parties won elections in Pakistan's northwest. The authorities harassed him, and a crowd attacked his house with rocks. He and his family fled south to Baluchistan.

Last year, after the religious coalition in the northwest was defeated, the new secular Pashtun government urged him to return — promising he would now be safe. It was a promise the government could not fulfill.

"Four months ago, performers were attacked as they returned from a function. Four musicians were injured, one was killed. No one is safe from the Taliban here. People have retreated into self-imposed censorship," Alam says.

Once again, Alam began receiving threatening phone calls. He was shot at on the street.

He returned to Baluchistan, but found that the Taliban is now threatening musicians there, too. He tried to find gigs in the port city of Karachi, but there, he faced a different problem: ethnic violence against Pashtuns.

Back in Peshawar, he is afraid to perform. He has no source of income. After his elder brother turned him away, fearing the singer would put him in danger, Alam, his wife and five children sought refuge with other relatives. Now, three large families are crammed into three dank, dark rooms with no running water.

"It's like falling from the sky to earth," says Rukhsana Muqaddas, Alam's wife. "Before this we had a very modern, wonderful life. We used to send our kids to good schools. Now, we can't afford to educate them at all."

Alam's favorite song, a Pashtun ballad about loss of identity, has taken on a new meaning. Once the voice of the Pashtun downtrodden, Alam is now a member, his dreams of a peaceful Pashtun renaissance hijacked by the Taliban.

In downtown Peshawar, some music stores are still open. Arshat Khan has come from an outlying area, where all of the stores have been closed, to buy CDs of his favorite singers; Alam is among them. Although his old recordings are still on sale, there is no system of royalties. So while it may warm Alam's heart to know he is loved, this doesn't fill his children's stomachs.

Khan says cultural life has come to a standstill.

"Life is colorless. ... It's like living in [a] world that is black and white. You have just to eat and excrete and live under perpetual fear," Khan says.
As a half pakistani that is the biggest BS ive read in my life
 

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I truly hope if any actual people, not transhumans who have been officially taken over by technology through hypnosis that has been cast on them (like you, for instance with your cat avatar which has multi-contextual meaning that you're not willing to admit), are reading this forum, that they do not take what you say seriously. This poster is a propagandist for technology and is not willing to admit it is truly man vs machine and machine has taken over many men...including said poster.
 

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I truly hope if any actual people, not transhumans who have been officially taken over by technology through hypnosis that has been cast on them
Excuse you but I'm not a freaking transhumanist... In fact I hate the entire idea of transhumanism. I only recently found out about what it is and I think it's messed up. I truly value nature and our natural bodies. If people start implanting man made shit into their own bodies, it's bound to go wrong eventually. Not to mention hacking... people can already hack pacemakers.
with your cat avatar which has multi-contextual meaning that you're not willing to admit
I have no idea what you're talking about. I found this image on google images when I searched for "funny cat pictures" and I thought it was funny. What meaning do you even think it has?
This poster is a propagandist for technology
That's funny because I've never said anything about technology since I set up my account. Take your baseless and rude accusations somewhere else. Seriously, what's your problem?
 

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I'm sorry that the truth is difficult to deal with. Just like how the trans boy in the tran thread is clearly being controlled by forces beyond his control and making gang signs that no 9 year old would/should know, you're also being controlled. The fact that you are looking for "funny cat pics" on google to find your avatar is proof enough. I promise this is not a personal attack on you but simply an observation based on years and years of research. You don't realize that you're actually being controlled by "cats" who represent other-dimensional, technological beings, who are only able to control humans based on haven take over their bodies through various methods. Either you're truly being kept in the dark and are simply along for the ride OR you're just acting like you have no idea what I'm talking about.

You don't value nature and our natural bodies. The cat who took over your body does and is simply happy to have invaded a human so that they can now experience through the original vessel.
 

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able to control humans based on having take over their bodies through various methods
HAHAHA. I have certainly not been taken over by anything, certainly not a cat.
The fact that you are looking for "funny cat pics" on google to find your avatar is proof enough
No it's not proof of anything. The reason I was looking it up was because I have a pet cat and I like animals. There are a lot of funny videos/images of animals online. When a normal human sees a funny image, they chuckle and move on... they don't start accusing people of being transhumanists.
You don't value nature and our natural bodies
Who're you to tell me what i do and don't believe. I truthfully told you my thoughts on transhumanism.

Some "truthor" you are
 

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The moment you begin to question why it REALLY is you decided to make an avatar with a cat head, is the moment you may begin to reclaim the human body who you were originally. If you never even question it more than thinking you did it simply because you "own" a cat and like funny cat pictures, than you will remain who you currently are...which is, in my expert opinion, not who you were originally.

I believe you are someone who has been placed on this board as a plant and a propagandist to stamp out anyone who claims technology or music or whatever related to the mental/female realms is NOT being used for negative purposes, when it certainly IS in many instances.

Someone asks if music is possibly being used as a demonic influence (through the actual technology) and rather than respond with something like "anything is possible and I don't know for sure what is really going on", you blankly respond with "no". You are a plant and you are being controlled for purposes beyond your understanding.
 

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I believe you are someone who has been placed on this board as a plant and a propagandis
I'm not a plant, I decided to make an account here because I like reading the articles of the main site.
to stamp out anyone who claims technology or music is NOT being used for negative purposes
I do think that music and technology is being used for negative purposes by certain people/groups. For example the mainstream music industry is pretty satanic and pop stars like rihanna and katy perry and everyone else are being used to push illuminati agendas. That's why they flash all of their satanic imagery and hand signs.
you blankly respond with "no"
The reason I replied with "no" was because I don't think that just because a piece of music is secular, that it's demonic... I think that there are more positive and non demonic songs out there made by real artists than there are demonic songs made by bad artists. Basically my belief is that secular music is definitely not inherently satanic... it can just become satanic when satanic people use it. Same thing with technology.
You are a plant
I am definitely not. Can you leave me alone if you're not willing to understand that what I told you about my personal views on technology is completely true? I'm not a liar and I don't appreciate your accusations... I 100% do no support or align with transhumanism. I'm beginning to think you're just trolling me...
 
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