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Lisa

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I'm sure there are plenty of parents who take their kids to daycare and instill some goodness in them. I think we should be more critical of the factors which cause this.

That's fine, that post wasn't directed at you. I just wanted people to appreciate the struggle of single parents where I live. People are mistaken if they think that in the west, everyone has it super easy.

The key word is could, you were able to. Most aren't.
What are the factors that we should be critical of?

I wasn’t sure who the post was directed at either, haha!
I was able to because God helped me to...God could help anyone who wanted to to stay home. Is your God able to help you to stay home with your children? Just wondering.
 

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What are the factors that we should be critical of?

I wasn’t sure who the post was directed at either, haha!
I was able to because God helped me to...God could help anyone who wanted to to stay home. Is your God able to help you to stay home with your children? Just wondering.
Dissolve 0 hour contracts (unless requested by people who want it), montior agency work which is irregular and abolish austerity measures which have been introduced to ensure 'financial progression and reduce societal deficit'. Better maternity/paternity packages with adequate paid leave, scrap unnecessary taxes (e.g. council tax) freeze the rapidly rising energy bills, review the living wage....etc.

I mean there are an endless list of factors which can be alleviated.

Yh I mean God helped, alhamdulilah, but you were also able to do it. You could get by...many can't.

I'm fortunate that my child is in nursery and I work part time. I'm home from noon every day so I'm able to resume my parental duties after his 3 hours of Montessori are over.
 

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Dissolve 0 hour contracts (unless requested by people who want it), montior agency work which is irregular and abolish austerity measures which have been introduced to ensure 'financial progression and reduce societal deficit'. Better maternity/paternity packages with adequate paid leave, scrap unnecessary taxes (e.g. council tax) freeze the rapidly rising energy bills, review the living wage....etc.

I mean there are an endless list of factors which can be alleviated.

Yh I mean God helped, alhamdulilah, but you were also able to do it. You could get by...many can't.

I'm fortunate that my child is in nursery and I work part time. I'm home from noon every day so I'm able to resume my parental duties after his 3 hours of Montessori are over.
How about people live within their means..is that a critical factor too?

No, I was only able to do it because God paved the way, otherwise I couldn’t have done it...is that how allah is too?

So, you also have a child being raised by someone else too.
 

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How about people live within their means..is that a critical factor too?

No, I was only able to do it because God paved the way, otherwise I couldn’t have done it...is that how allah is too?

So, you also have a child being raised by someone else too.
Living within your means is totally different. That is not the topic of discussion. The topic was parents who have to work due to the financially hostile climate of where they bring up their kids.

When you live in a place where your monthly outgoings are in excess of £1000 per month, you can pray all you want but until those prayers are answered, you will have to work.

In Islam, we believe that you toil. The nature of this world is hardship and prayer eases your path but it doesn't necessarily solve all your problems. Ive found that prayers are answered but on the Almighty's terms and conditions.

Also, I don't remember jesus helping you when you had issues with your parents so please do get off your high horse. Where was jesus when you were crying in the corner? Your understanding of God is completely different to mine so I'll leave that discussion for another day, perhaps.

No Lisa, children here start nursery at 3. It's normal. Again, I'm not familiar with how things are in the US or elsewhere, but kids in the UK start nursery at 3 until 5 years old. Then at 5 they go to primary and start reception.

Nursery isn't day care, it's an actual form in primary school.
 

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Living within your means is totally different. That is not the topic of discussion. The topic was parents who have to work due to the financially hostile climate of where they bring up their kids.

When you live in a place where your monthly outgoings are in excess of £1000 per month, you can pray all you want but until those prayers are answered, you will have to work.

In Islam, we believe that you toil. The nature of this world is hardship and prayer eases your path but it doesn't necessarily solve all your problems. Ive found that prayers are answered but on the Almighty's terms and conditions.

Also, I don't remember jesus helping you when you had issues with your parents so please do get off your high horse. Where was jesus when you were crying in the corner? Your understanding of God is completely different to mine so I'll leave that discussion for another day, perhaps.

No Lisa, children here start nursery at 3. It's normal. Again, I'm not familiar with how things are in the US or elsewhere, but kids in the UK start nursery at 3 until 5 years old. Then at 5 they go to primary and start reception.

Nursery isn't day care, it's an actual form in primary school.
Living within your means could be one of those areas that have parents paying off debts and so both have to work to do that, which means their kids get raised by someone else...we should talk about it and not just how everyone around them fails them..they’ve failed themselves first.

I agree, it would take faith to follow God, and it did for me too to follow that God had a way for me and my husband where I didn’t work and stayed home. Prayer is powerful because you then ask a powerful God for His help and He is able to help you!

I would say, your god doesn’t do that though, how sad, could it mean that he isn’t almighty and isn’t able to help you?

God was there with me the whole time that I went through the things I did with my parents..God does not give us an absence of problems, but He is a Helper through them. He has never been more real to me in my problems...a good friend and a rock to lean on. I wish you could know Him.

Fair enough, we start pre school at 4. 3 seems awfully young still to ship off to school..but you can’t argue with normal.
 

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Living within your means could be one of those areas that have parents paying off debts and so both have to work to do that, which means their kids get raised by someone else...we should talk about it and not just how everyone around them fails them..they’ve failed themselves first.

I agree, it would take faith to follow God, and it did for me too to follow that God had a way for me and my husband where I didn’t work and stayed home. Prayer is powerful because you then ask a powerful God for His help and He is able to help you!

I would say, your god doesn’t do that though, how sad, could it mean that he isn’t almighty and isn’t able to help you?

God was there with me the whole time that I went through the things I did with my parents..God does not give us an absence of problems, but He is a Helper through them. He has never been more real to me in my problems...a good friend and a rock to lean on. I wish you could know Him.

Fair enough, we start pre school at 4. 3 seems awfully young still to ship off to school..but you can’t argue with normal.
You can talk about it, it wasn't my original point. It seems you have failed to address the other factors I stated. Do you believe those factors to be irrelevant? It seems you're neglecting the underlying issues and putting the blame solely on parents. Paying off debt and living beyond one's means isn't the reason parents go to work. Maybe where you live, but not here...

I'm at ease with faith and God. It's you who seems to be triggered by Muslims. Inshallah you find peace within yourself as I think you're hurting and I get the sense that your soul isn't at peace. Try joining a local knitting circle.

Yh sorry, enough with the preaching it's boring. You can never convince me of your faith. I used to be heavily involved with the religious forum and I just learned that the trinity and your understanding of God was beyond confusing and illogical. However, as the law abiding moral citizen I am, I respect others beliefs and faiths even if I don't share the same views.

Actually I think 3 is great. It's part time, they don't have to go every day and it's great for them to socialise and mix with other kids.
 

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You can talk about it, it wasn't my original point. It seems you have failed to address the other factors I stated. Do you believe those factors to be irrelevant? It seems you're neglecting the underlying issues and putting the blame solely on parents. Paying off debt and living beyond one's means isn't the reason parents go to work. Maybe where you live, but not here...

I'm at ease with faith and God. It's you who seems to be triggered by Muslims. Inshallah you find peace within yourself as I think you're hurting and I get the sense that your soul isn't at peace. Try joining a local knitting circle.

Yh sorry, enough with the preaching it's boring. You can never convince me of your faith. I used to be heavily involved with the religious forum and I just learned that the trinity and your understanding of God was beyond confusing and illogical. However, as the law abiding moral citizen I am, I respect others beliefs and faiths even if I don't share the same views.

Actually I think 3 is great. It's part time, they don't have to go every day and it's great for them to socialise and mix with other kids.
3 is too little but I get why they go...wasn’t it Stalin who said that he could do a lot with young kids?

I think many of the decisions people make come from a failure of self control more than a failure of other factors. We live in a world where its always someone else’s fault.

I’d like to learn how to knit and to quilt. I like both. :)

Whose preaching? I’m just telling you what my God can do and noticing your god can’t do the same thing.
 

Haich

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3 is too little but I get why they go...wasn’t it Stalin who said that he could do a lot with young kids?

I think many of the decisions people make come from a failure of self control more than a failure of other factors. We live in a world where its always someone else’s fault.

I’d like to learn how to knit and to quilt. I like both. :)

Whose preaching? I’m just telling you what my God can do and noticing your god can’t do the same thing.
Right, I can see where this is going.

Bye lisa.
 

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I wasn’t sure who the post was directed at either, haha!
I was able to because God helped me to...God could help anyone who wanted to to stay home. Is your God able to help you to stay home with your children? Just wondering.
why did you have to take this passive aggressive attitude?
haich is discussing the topic and keeping religion out of it. youre wrong here.
every thread is not a battlefield for islam vs christianity. take it to that religion folder and contain it there.
 

Lisa

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why did you have to take this passive aggressive attitude?
haich is discussing the topic and keeping religion out of it. youre wrong here.
every thread is not a battlefield for islam vs christianity. take it to that religion folder and contain it there.
What was passive aggressive about it? I was wondering if her god could do that too? And he can’t.

How does one separate faith from who they are? It’s like asking me to stop breathing.
 

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What was passive aggressive about it? I was wondering if her god could do that too? And he can’t.

How does one separate faith from who they are? It’s like asking me to stop breathing.
you dont see what was passive aggressive? you honestly dont get how your tone sounds, never mind that you brought god into a discussion where it has no bearing at all? stop with that.
god/religion has zero to do with this topic-- it does not contribute at all to the discussion. it does not belong here.
god_is_formless had the same problem of failing to separate god from every thread. he was eventually kicked off. bringing god into every single thread means you are straying from the topic and not making a serious contribution.
 

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I'm sure there are plenty of parents who take their kids to daycare and instill some goodness in them. I think we should be more critical of the factors which cause this.

That's fine, that post wasn't directed at you. I just wanted people to appreciate the struggle of single parents where I live. People are mistaken if they think that in the west, everyone has it super easy.

The key word is could, you were able to. Most aren't.
You have provided a good point here, Haich I used to be hard on daycares until 2 days ago....:D
When Jordan Peterson in his lecture that I posted on my goals thread;):) said some homes are worst for kids.
Therefore, for those kids the daycare is better for them.
The nuances of life have to be taken into account always........js
 

Haich

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You have provided a good point here, Haich I used to be hard on daycares until 2 days ago....:D
When Jordan Peterson in his lecture that I posted on my goals thread;):) said some homes are worst for kids.
Therefore, for those kids the daycare is better for them.
The nuances o life have to be taken into account always.....need to examine absolutes......js
I think we're all guilty of shunning daycares!

I guess I'm quite lucky to have met people who humbled me and I saw how beneficial it was for some families...
 

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you dont see what was passive aggressive? you honestly dont get how your tone sounds, never mind that you brought god into a discussion where it has no bearing at all? stop with that.
god/religion has zero to do with this topic-- it does not contribute at all to the discussion. it does not belong here.
god_is_formless had the same problem of failing to separate god from every thread. he was eventually kicked off. bringing god into every single thread means you are straying from the topic and not making a serious contribution.
I’m not trying to be passive aggressive in my tone, so then ya, I don’t see it. Since she is muslim, I was curious if her god acted like my God? I would be lying if I thought that her god could though. I wanted to see what she believed.

God did have a bearing on how I was able to stay at home but before that, I didn’t mention God.

I thought god of formless had other problems and that’s what got him banned?
 

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I can’t really speak for everyone here.
find me a person who brings religion into the mix all the time, and i will give them the same lecture.

put it this way: let your faith be expressed through your posts without needing to bring god into it.


I’m not trying to be passive aggressive in my tone, so then ya, I don’t see it. Since she is muslim, I was curious if her god acted like my God? I would be lying if I thought that her god could though. I wanted to see what she believed.
God did have a bearing on how I was able to stay at home but before that, I didn’t mention God.
I thought god of formless had other problems and that’s what got him banned?
when you say to non-christians, "your god couldnt do that", people are going to take that as an offensive statement. why? you are making it sound like their god is second class. [my opinion on your statement has no bearing here, btw.] ive got absolutely no problem with you posting that provided its in the religious forum, NOT in a thread discussing school indoctrination.
god having a bearing on you being able to stay at home is irrelevant. thats for a thread praising god on all of the good things hes done for you.
the fact that you were able to stay home IS relevant on this thread.

nothing more needs to be said on this matter.
 
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