Satire: "Surviving R.Kelly and Prophet Muhammad"

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From Acts 17 Apologetics:


I would like to see if any Muslim is willing to defend the second character. :)
 





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From Acts 17 Apologetics:


I would like to see if any Muslim is willing to defend the second character. :)
To use David Woodas a source first of all unless you are a supporter of him is probably the worst thing you can do and I would like to ask you a question why do you use modern day ideologies and social standards of the modern era to judge something that happened at completely different time period with different laws and regulations and social constructs?
 





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Lol you can’t knock my man GCB for making bait threads anymore.

Seriously though, I think the Mohammad/Aisha thing is pretty sketch, something that claims to be the Absolute Truth should be above historical social norms. I’ll say the same thing about the Christian Bible and it’s shadier laws and standards.
 





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Lol you can’t knock my man GCB for making bait threads anymore.

Seriously though, I think the Mohammad/Aisha thing is pretty sketch, something that claims to be the Absolute Truth should be above historical social norms. I’ll say the same thing about the Christian Bible and it’s shadier laws and standards.
Like for first sentence. :) Yes, it is a dig in the ribs for Etagloc, but I couldn't resist it.
Your distraction tactic is iffy though. (Atheists love to pull the Old Testament legal laws out of context and pretend that Christians should be following them as well.)

I debated whether the video should have gone in the Entertainment section since they are comparing R.Kelly to Muhammad. R.Kelly is being condemned for what Islam's founder condoned. Why do Muslims and politically correct Westerners accept Muhammad's excuses but not R.Kelly's?
 





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To use David Woodas a source first of all unless you are a supporter of him is probably the worst thing you can do and I would like to ask you a question why do you use modern day ideologies and social standards of the modern era to judge something that happened at completely different time period with different laws and regulations and social constructs?
Ad hominem attack. I am aware Muslims reflexively dismiss him. That is their only tactic.

Please prove the allegations in above the video from Islamic texts are incorrect. Thanks in advance.
 





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Like for first sentence. :) Yes, it is a dig in the ribs for Etagloc, but I couldn't resist it.
Your distraction tactic is iffy though. (Atheists love to pull the Old Testament legal laws out of context and pretend that Christians should be following them as well.)

I debated whether the video should have gone in the Entertainment section since they are comparing R.Kelly to Muhammad. R.Kelly is being condemned for what Islam's founder condoned. Why do Muslims and politically correct Westerners accept Muhammad's excuses but not R.Kelly's?

Like for second sentence. :)

I don’t think those laws get any better with context. While many Christians do not feel the obligation to follow them enough do want to enact Old Testament justice, just google Rushdoony or Gary North. There’s plenty of so-called “normal” evangelicals who align closer to that belief than you’d think.

That’s not to say everything is good in the NT either, Jesus’ views on divorce suck and Peter’s “submit to your husbands” or Paul’s insane ramblings “ I do not permit....” etc etc.

I will say that of the three religions Christianity seems to me have the best case for morality, however not if taken hyper-literally or as something that is as applicable in the same way today as it was 1800 years ago.

As far as the Mohammad thing I agree with you. It’s not a good look and tbh it seems to me to be extreme even with the shitty historical social norms.
 





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Ad hominem attack. I am aware Muslims reflexively dismiss him. That is their only tactic.

Please prove the allegations in above the video from Islamic texts are incorrect. Thanks in advance.
There are many different sources that claim differing ages of Aisha(RA) some say 15 such as Abdullah al khatib, some scholars such as Maulana Muhammad Ali claim she was over 10, so to use the argument of the age of six it is not very substantiated when there are plenty of scholars who claim otherwise.
 





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There are many different sources that claim differing ages of Aisha(RA) some say 15 such as Abdullah al khatib, some scholars such as Maulana Muhammad Ali claim she was over 10, so to use the argument of the age of six it is not very substantiated when there are plenty of scholars who claim otherwise.
Wiki-islam says it openly. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Aisha

I assume that is the Wikipedia of Islam.

I scrolled down the wiki-islam page and it gives references proving that, along with Muhammad striking (or hitting) Aisha. :-(
 





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Wiki-islam says it openly. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Aisha

I assume that is the Wikipedia of Islam.

I scrolled down the wiki-islam page and it gives references proving that, along with Muhammad striking (or hitting) Aisha. :-(
Unfortunately this is not a Muslim website it may seem Like a Muslim website due to the name but it’s not

Secondly the translation of that verse which claims the prophet struck Aisha has been mistranslated the word used in Arabic (Lahad ) actually means to push away or to push as written by Edward lane in his lexicon and this was to ward of the wrong thoughts that came to mind when she saw the prophet leave as she may have thought of other reasons for his departure and the prophet has done this on other occasions to men also in the same manner for the same reason such as when after umar bin khattab embraced islam he was hit in the chest three times and the prophet said “O Allah remove the malice from his heart and replace it with faith”
 





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100yrs ago girls were being married at 10,11 and 12 yrs old even in America! It was norm back in the day to consummate marriage when puberty comes. In these times we have different norms and customs. People married young all over the world there was no teenage years construct. Go look up the age of marriage in California, Texas, Vermont in 1880.
How about 6th century Arabia when the life span was 40yrs in a barren desert?
Plus the lies these people delve in!! it is well known he peace be upon him never hit anyone in his home ,smh

Really have to say the person who made this thread is so beyond the pale for me as a human being. I was not put on earth to have ill will but convey the message in a good manner. I pray that Allah the Most High cleans my heart and makes me ignore this human being. Ameen,
Is it the job of cz evangelics to share their gospel or attack our Prophet peace and blessings be upon him?
BarakAllah feek Unknown1234 and welcome on board.
 





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100yrs ago girls were being married at 10,11 and 12 yrs old even in America! It was norm back in the day to consummate marriage when puberty comes. In these times we have different norms and customs. People married young all over the world there was no teenage years construct. Go look up the age of marriage in California, Texas, Vermont in 1880.
How about 6th century Arabia when the life span was 40yrs in a barren desert?
Plus the lies these people delve in!! it is well known he peace be upon him never hit anyone in his home ,smh

Really have to say the person who made this thread is so beyond the pale for me as a human being. I was not put on earth to have ill will but convey the message in a good manner. I pray that Allah the Most High cleans my heart and makes me ignore this human being. Ameen,
Is it the job of cz evangelics to share their gospel or attack our Prophet peace and blessings be upon him?
BarakAllah feek Unknown1234 and welcome on board.
Very true. Humans are made to begin procreating at a young age (puberty). In the past it was acknowledged in full honesty, by all cultures. Today in the West they pervert nature: the parents don't care about teenagers having sex, as long as they don't dare get pregnant. They would rather abortion than to sanctify a young couple.

The Prophet Muhammad had wives of varying ages but being betrothed doesn't mean there had to be intimate relations.

I agree about anyone who would "share" something from the violent sociopath David Wood. He is a fiend who lives in hell as we speak, he and his white supremacist goons.

I joined VC with a sort of optimism but I realized quickly that just like scattered through the rest of the internet, there are a few hate-filled individuals here. Instead of hating the real destroyers they want to falsely condemn God-fearing people. It can stem from insecurity. When people are living a lie, the unconscious self is in conflict with their fabricated identity. The vitriol is really aimed at themselves.

Hurtful people can be frustrating but in the big picture God Almighty allows them to exist for a purpose. At the end of the day I actually pity a miserable soul like David Wood.
 





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Very true. Humans are made to begin procreating at a young age (puberty). In the past it was acknowledged in full honesty, by all cultures. Today in the West they pervert nature: the parents don't care about teenagers having sex, as long as they don't dare get pregnant. They would rather abortion than to sanctify a young couple.

The Prophet Muhammad had wives of varying ages but being betrothed doesn't mean there had to be intimate relations.

I agree about anyone who would "share" something from the violent sociopath David Wood. He is a fiend who lives in hell as we speak, he and his white supremacist goons.

I joined VC with a sort of optimism but I realized quickly that just like scattered through the rest of the internet, there are a few hate-filled individuals here. Instead of hating the real destroyers they want to falsely condemn God-fearing people. It can stem from insecurity. When people are living a lie, the unconscious self is in conflict with their fabricated identity. The vitriol is really aimed at themselves.

Hurtful people can be frustrating but in the big picture God Almighty allows them to exist for a purpose. At the end of the day I actually pity a miserable soul like David Wood.
You may impress Muslims and social justice warriors but you are certainly not impressing God.

A bible believing Christian would approve of the truth being revealed about Muhammad, so the Muslims would have their eyes opened on how much their Muslim leaders have lied to them.

See how poor Desertrose needs to excuse her prophet's p**philia because other cultures have wrongly permitted child marriage too.

Instead of gently pointing out to her that is a very unpleasant truth Muslims need to face about Muhammad, **You ** chose to ignore that a truly moral man would have forbidden legalised child abuse in his religion and decided to impress the Muslims instead with your "tolerance"'.
[ The difference in intellectual/ emotional maturity between a 9 year old and a 12 year old is like a decade not 3 years.]

You are currently serving Satan Davidson. Please repent, believe the true Gospel and make Jesus your Lord and saviour.
 





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it's an anti-islam website from notorious islam haters.
As for this whole topic..you are acting like islam has never been under scrutiny.
Islam certainly has not been under enough scrutiny.
If it had been, there would have been ***waayyyy*** fewer converts in western countries.
 





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Islam certainly has not been under enough scrutiny.
If it had been, there would have been ***waayyyy*** fewer converts in western countries.
I don't recall Jesus telling his followers to go out and scrutinise other religions. He told them to go out and spread the Good news.
When you spend all your life talking about another religion with lies/propaganda/fear-mongering/half truths etc you ultimately promote that religion. That's why there have been so many converts to islam in western countries.

Also geographically muslims have historically been exposed to more religious groups/cultures and their scrutiny, than christians (with the exception of missionaries and minorities eg in places like india, the levant etc). for a long time, europeans only really had one 'enemy' in mind and that was islam.
 





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100yrs ago girls were being married at 10,11 and 12 yrs old even in America! It was norm back in the day to consummate marriage when puberty comes. In these times we have different norms and customs. People married young all over the world there was no teenage years construct. Go look up the age of marriage in California, Texas, Vermont in 1880.
How about 6th century Arabia when the life span was 40yrs in a barren desert?
Plus the lies these people delve in!! it is well known he peace be upon him never hit anyone in his home ,smh

Really have to say the person who made this thread is so beyond the pale for me as a human being. I was not put on earth to have ill will but convey the message in a good manner. I pray that Allah the Most High cleans my heart and makes me ignore this human being. Ameen,
Is it the job of cz evangelics to share their gospel or attack our Prophet peace and blessings be upon him?
BarakAllah feek Unknown1234 and welcome on board.
I made this point last year. I don't remember the verse but basically the Israelites acknowledged girls as women when brass r and pubic hair developed
 





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I made this point last year. I don't remember the verse but basically the Israelites acknowledged girls as women when brass r and pubic hair developed
Don’t you think the messenger of God should be above social norms? If Mohammad had relations with Aisha between 9 to 10 that’s a little extreme even for the time period. I think most of us here will agree that historically the onset of the menstrual cycle was the age of availability, it’s a sad fact about history but religions that still claim to be the sole truth in the universe should have been correct about it at the time.
 





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Islam certainly has not been under enough scrutiny.
If it had been, there would have been ***waayyyy*** fewer converts in western countries.
You should look in the 'Converts to Islam' thread that @DesertRose started. It's excellent. One thing that is repeated over and over again by the many people in western countries who have converted to Islam is that - at first they were looking for a way to debunk and 'expose' Islam, but the more they studied and asked questions about it, the more apparent it became to them that Islam is God's true religion for all of humanity. Truth can stand scrutiny.
 





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Don’t you think the messenger of God should be above social norms? If Mohammad had relations with Aisha between 9 to 10 that’s a little extreme even for the time period. I think most of us here will agree that historically the onset of the menstrual cycle was the age of availability, it’s a sad fact about history but religions that still claim to be the sole truth in the universe should have been correct about it at the time.
I'm not saying that it was okay. How long did people typically live then, what was their environmental conditions? Clean water? Clean living and eating? Diseases? Etc.

They could have been above it but that's an ignorant position to take when not factoring for how they were living. Not even considering that they may have different mentalities and maturity probably wasn't similar. At 26, I don't have anything to talk about with a 14 year old let alone someone that is 21 but I live in 2019 rather than the 1400's.

I don't remember in the Qur'an if whatever her age was that the Qur'an endorses child marriage but biblically it was part of the narrative rather than an endorsement of the act. If you watch a movie about mass murder that doesn't equate to justifying, the bible doesn't justify it but just tells it as it was. They didn't the knowledge to factor for power imbalances or any of the pitfalls that may occur when an older man married younger but I do know that the Israelites would marry their sons off around 16 but I'm not remembering if they were arranged for later consummation or if it was immediate.

My whole point in commenting was that it is ignorant to judge Islam over it when historically this was occurring because it was common and not isolated to the Muslims. Rather it was easier to ignore what was occurring historically and make a bait thread to prove that Christians enjoy provoking other faiths when they fail to convert them. It's a petty and ignorant thread that ignores history and context for the sake of themselves rather than their Lord and Savior that would reproach them for their behaviour.
 





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You should look in the 'Converts to Islam' thread that @DesertRose started. It's excellent. One thing that is repeated over and over again by the many people in western countries who have converted to Islam is that - at first they were looking for a way to debunk and 'expose' Islam, but the more they studied and asked questions about it, the more apparent it became to them that Islam is God's true religion for all of humanity. Truth can stand scrutiny.
Why waste the effort trying to debunk it? Everything comes to light on its own eventually