Reincarnation Is An Irrefutable Fact

A Freeman

Superstar
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
6,886
Here's a little quiz for anyone interested in participating...


If a cat has a son, what is that son?

If a dog has a son, what is that son?

If a horse has a son, what is that son?

If a human has a son, what is that son?

If God has a son, what is that son?
 

A Freeman

Superstar
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
6,886
You really haven't provided anything here. Are you saying that animals don't have souls? why do you think animals exist at all?
Are you blind? Not only were your questions already answered with specificity [(mortal/flesh = no soul, immortal = soul) and your ridiculous assumptions about morality were straightened out], you have the article in the opening posts which goes into great detail.

Do you really not know why Father (God) created animals and then gave man dominion over them please?
 

shankara

Star
Joined
Apr 23, 2018
Messages
1,322
Are you blind? Not only were your questions already answered with specificity [(mortal/flesh = no soul, immortal = soul) and your ridiculous assumptions about morality were straightened out], you have the article in the opening posts which goes into great detail.

Do you really not know why Father (God) created animals and then gave man dominion over them please?
It seems a little counter-intuitive to suggest that animals are entirely without soul. Indigenous hunters believed that the spirits of the animals gave themselves to the hunter. So yeah, the Bible does say that man has dominion over the animals, I would read that as being in part due to the fact that by becoming food for humans they are actually undergoing a process of purification eventually bringing about a human rebirth.
 

A Freeman

Superstar
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
6,886
It seems a little counter-intuitive to suggest that animals are entirely without soul. Indigenous hunters believed that the spirits of the animals gave themselves to the hunter. So yeah, the Bible does say that man has dominion over the animals, I would read that as being in part due to the fact that by becoming food for humans they are actually undergoing a process of purification eventually bringing about a human rebirth.
Thank-you, however it doesn't seem counter-intuitive to recognize there is a difference between a spirit-Being (Soul) and an animal.

Even human animals become food for the worms and plant-life after they die...or at least that's how it should be. Sadly we glorify the human animals to the extent we build memorials to them and bury them in boxes so they can't finish the job for which they were intended.
 

shankara

Star
Joined
Apr 23, 2018
Messages
1,322
Thank-you, however it doesn't seem counter-intuitive to recognize there is a difference between a spirit-Being (Soul) and an animal.

Even human animals become food for the worms and plant-life after they die...or at least that's how it should be. Sadly we glorify the human animals to the extent we build memorials to them and bury them in boxes so they can't finish the job for which they were intended.
Yeah ok so what you are saying is that you don't accept the idea of Spirits/Beings/Souls or whatever in non-human forms of Spiritual Evolution/Involution. Of course, you wouldn't, because it doesn't really fit in with the whole "fallen angels" narrative. In which, coincidentally, we are all going to a final hell/death without further opportunity for spiritual evolution.

Though I've seen some of you claiming that you accept all revelations including those of the East as valid, your whole doctrine nonetheless has a very Abrahamic flavour and seems to treat the Eastern wisdom as less significant... As one might expect from someone claiming to be the Messiah...
 

A Freeman

Superstar
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
6,886
Yeah ok so what you are saying is that you don't accept the idea of Spirits/Beings/Souls or whatever in non-human forms of Spiritual Evolution/Involution. Of course, you wouldn't, because it doesn't really fit in with the whole "fallen angels" narrative. In which, coincidentally, we are all going to a final hell/death without further opportunity for spiritual evolution.

Though I've seen some of you claiming that you accept all revelations including those of the East as valid, your whole doctrine nonetheless has a very Abrahamic flavour and seems to treat the Eastern wisdom as less significant... As one might expect from someone claiming to be the Messiah...
A spirit-Being in its free state has almost unlimited power. A spirit-Being does not feel pain, and therefore cannot be punished or sent to bed without its supper when it misbehaves.

The reason humans were created is to serve as individual prison cells for spirit-Beings in this prison-planet reform school. That way, through the human, the spirit-Being can be corrected when it does wrong, and rewarded when it learns its lessons and passes its tests. We are to learn to overcome and control all of the selfish tendencies of the human, so we are doing our Creator's Will for the greater good in eternal time, rather than continuing to serve the selfish interests of a mortal human.

Think about it.

Materialism, greed, envy, resentment and the fear that drives them all are ALL self-centered human emotions, which are completely and totally illogical. Humans live their entire lives trying to acquire as much material wealth as possible, while acknowledging that we can't take it with us. This selfish, materialistic mindset is literally destroying this planet, which is the life-support system for ALL plant and animal life, including the humans.

We have been warned by our Creator - through His Firstborn Son known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ - that it is IMPOSSIBLE to serve Him and materialism, because they are polar opposites. Our Creator's Law requires all of us to treat our neighbors with the love and respect with which we would like to be treated, and to take care of our natural surroundings, learning to waste as little as possible by conserving everything.

Of course materialism is the exact opposite, wasting as much as possible for selfish gain, which eventually destroys everything. There's an old Cree Indian saying which sums up this situation (our present course) well:-

When all of the trees are cut down;
When all of the rivers and lakes are polluted;
When all of the fish have been caught from the sea;
Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten


THAT is why we MUST learn to control these human animal bodies, remember who and what we REALLY are, and return to keeping our Creator's Perfect Law.

With this TRUTH and LOGIC in mind, what purpose would it serve for someone to be placed inside the body of something other than a human? An animal can only learn how to do what it's programmed to do: survive. A human+Being on the other hand, can learn to be selfless.

Perhaps the car and driver analogy at the linked article below will be helpful.

Are you the car or the driver?
https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2020/01/10/are-you-the-car-or-the-driver/

Truth doesn't care about what direction it comes from, or what doctrine it adheres to, or who accepts it or rejects it. And it doesn't need anyone to defend it, either.

The Truth is we have all had thousands of Earth years to learn our lessons, beginning with we do NOT know better than our Creator. Some will learn these lessons and make themselves spiritually fit (ever strengthening in faith) and survive; others won't.

The Survival Plan
 

A Freeman

Superstar
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
6,886
The following is a partial list that's being worked on of verses that confirm reincarnation is an irrefutable fact.

Genesis 2:7
Genesis 5:23-24, Hebrews 11:5
Genesis 6:3, 6:11-17, 7:21-22
Genesis 14:18-20, John 8:47-49 (KJV 8:56-58)
Genesis 49:1, 49:10
Deuteronomy 4:30
Deuteronomy 31:16
Deuteronomy 31:29
Deuteronomy 32:29
Enoch 6:11-12
Enoch 10:10, 23
Enoch 12:1-2
Enoch 15:3-7
Enoch 22:5-7
Enoch 39:11-12
Enoch 49:1
Enoch 60:14, Eph. 5:14
Enoch 70:13
Enoch 90:1
Enoch 91:1-3
Enoch 99:3
2 Samuel 7:12
1 Kings 1:21, 2:10
2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9, 13:13, 14:16, 14:22, 14:29
2 Kings 15:7, 15:22, 15:38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6
2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2
2 Chronicles 26:23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20
Job 1:21
Job 14:12-14
Job 34:14-15
Psalm 16:10
Psalm 22:29
Psalm 23
Psalm 30:3
Psalm 33:18-20
Psalm 49:14-15
Psalm 56:13
Psalm 58:3
Psalm 82:6-7
Psalm 90:1-10
Psalm 102:20-26
Psalm 103:20
Psalm 104:4
Psalm 107:24-26
Psalm 111:9-10
Psalm 116:7-9
Psalm 118:17
Psalm 119:175-176
Psalm 136:23
Psalm 142:7
Psalm 143:3-8
Jeremiah 1:5
Daniel 12:13

Matthew 16:24-28
Matthew 17:10-13
Matthew 19:28
Matthew 22:29-32
Matthew 24:3, 32-34
Mark 12:24-27
Luke 8:52-55
Luke 9:23-27
Luke 20:34-38
Luke 20:41-44
John 1:14-15
John 3:3-13
John 8:42-43
John 9:1-2; 5:14
John 11:11-44
John 17:5
John 17:14-17
John 18:36-37
Thomas 3:5-6
Thomas 6:1
Thomas 6:8-10
Thomas 8:4
Thomas 8:8-10
Thomas 13:16
Thomas 16:1-2
James 2:26
Galatians 6:7
2 Corinthians 5:6-10
2 Corinthians 12:2-5
Hebrews 9:27-28
Revelation 1:5
Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8
Revelation 2:17, 3:12, 19:12
Revelation 28:10-12

Sura 2:28
Sura 2:53-56
Sura 2:154-157
Sura 3:181-184
Sura 7:53
Sura 7:167-169
Sura 13:5
Sura 16:70
Sura 17:46-51
Sura 17:96-99
Sura 20:55
Sura 22:5-6
Sura 22:65-66
Sura 23:30-40
Sura 23:80-84
Sura 23:99-101
Sura 26:81
Sura 27:67
Sura 30:40
Sura 32:10-12
Sura 36:68
Sura 37:11-20
Sura 39:42
Sura 40:11
Sura 41:20-25
Sura 50:2-11
Sura 56:24
Sura 56:47-52
Sura 56:60-62
Sura 71:17-18
Sura 79:10-12
Sura 80:18-23
Sura 100:9-11

So if you believe you're flying SOLO, or YOLO, then you should issue a BOLO, because you've lost your mind.
 

floss

Star
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
2,255
The following is a partial list that's being worked on of verses that confirm reincarnation is an irrefutable fact.

Genesis 2:7
Genesis 5:23-24, Hebrews 11:5
Genesis 6:3, 6:11-17, 7:21-22
Genesis 14:18-20, John 8:47-49 (KJV 8:56-58)
Genesis 49:1, 49:10
Deuteronomy 4:30
Deuteronomy 31:16
Deuteronomy 31:29
Deuteronomy 32:29
Enoch 6:11-12
Enoch 10:10, 23
Enoch 12:1-2
Enoch 15:3-7
Enoch 22:5-7
Enoch 39:11-12
Enoch 49:1
Enoch 60:14, Eph. 5:14
Enoch 70:13
Enoch 90:1
Enoch 91:1-3
Enoch 99:3
2 Samuel 7:12
1 Kings 1:21, 2:10
2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9, 13:13, 14:16, 14:22, 14:29
2 Kings 15:7, 15:22, 15:38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6
2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2
2 Chronicles 26:23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20
Job 1:21
Job 14:12-14
Job 34:14-15
Psalm 16:10
Psalm 22:29
Psalm 23
Psalm 30:3
Psalm 33:18-20
Psalm 49:14-15
Psalm 56:13
Psalm 58:3
Psalm 82:6-7
Psalm 90:1-10
Psalm 102:20-26
Psalm 103:20
Psalm 104:4
Psalm 107:24-26
Psalm 111:9-10
Psalm 116:7-9
Psalm 118:17
Psalm 119:175-176
Psalm 136:23
Psalm 142:7
Psalm 143:3-8
Jeremiah 1:5
Daniel 12:13

Matthew 16:24-28
Matthew 17:10-13
Matthew 19:28
Matthew 22:29-32
Matthew 24:3, 32-34
Mark 12:24-27
Luke 8:52-55
Luke 9:23-27
Luke 20:34-38
Luke 20:41-44
John 1:14-15
John 3:3-13
John 8:42-43
John 9:1-2; 5:14
John 11:11-44
John 17:5
John 17:14-17
John 18:36-37
Thomas 3:5-6
Thomas 6:1
Thomas 6:8-10
Thomas 8:4
Thomas 8:8-10
Thomas 13:16
Thomas 16:1-2
James 2:26
Galatians 6:7
2 Corinthians 5:6-10
2 Corinthians 12:2-5
Hebrews 9:27-28
Revelation 1:5
Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8
Revelation 2:17, 3:12, 19:12
Revelation 28:10-12

Sura 2:28
Sura 2:53-56
Sura 2:154-157
Sura 3:181-184
Sura 7:53
Sura 7:167-169
Sura 13:5
Sura 16:70
Sura 17:46-51
Sura 17:96-99
Sura 20:55
Sura 22:5-6
Sura 22:65-66
Sura 23:30-40
Sura 23:80-84
Sura 23:99-101
Sura 26:81
Sura 27:67
Sura 30:40
Sura 32:10-12
Sura 36:68
Sura 37:11-20
Sura 39:42
Sura 40:11
Sura 41:20-25
Sura 50:2-11
Sura 56:24
Sura 56:47-52
Sura 56:60-62
Sura 71:17-18
Sura 79:10-12
Sura 80:18-23
Sura 100:9-11

So if you believe you're flying SOLO, or YOLO, then you should issue a BOLO, because you've lost your mind.
Thank you the Holy and Noble Last and Final Prophet -- John Anthony Hill
 
Last edited:

elsbet

Superstar
Joined
Jun 4, 2017
Messages
5,122
A spirit-Being in its free state has almost unlimited power. A spirit-Being does not feel pain, and therefore cannot be punished or sent to bed without its supper when it misbehaves.

The reason humans were created is to serve as individual prison cells for spirit-Beings in this prison-planet reform school. That way, through the human, the spirit-Being can be corrected when it does wrong, and rewarded when it learns its lessons and passes its tests. We are to learn to overcome and control all of the selfish tendencies of the human, so we are doing our Creator's Will for the greater good in eternal time, rather than continuing to serve the selfish interests of a mortal human.

Think about it.

Materialism, greed, envy, resentment and the fear that drives them all are ALL self-centered human emotions, which are completely and totally illogical. Humans live their entire lives trying to acquire as much material wealth as possible, while acknowledging that we can't take it with us. This selfish, materialistic mindset is literally destroying this planet, which is the life-support system for ALL plant and animal life, including the humans.

We have been warned by our Creator - through His Firstborn Son known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ - that it is IMPOSSIBLE to serve Him and materialism, because they are polar opposites. Our Creator's Law requires all of us to treat our neighbors with the love and respect with which we would like to be treated, and to take care of our natural surroundings, learning to waste as little as possible by conserving everything.

Of course materialism is the exact opposite, wasting as much as possible for selfish gain, which eventually destroys everything. There's an old Cree Indian saying which sums up this situation (our present course) well:-

When all of the trees are cut down;
When all of the rivers and lakes are polluted;
When all of the fish have been caught from the sea;
Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten


THAT is why we MUST learn to control these human animal bodies, remember who and what we REALLY are, and return to keeping our Creator's Perfect Law.

With this TRUTH and LOGIC in mind, what purpose would it serve for someone to be placed inside the body of something other than a human? An animal can only learn how to do what it's programmed to do: survive. A human+Being on the other hand, can learn to be selfless.

Perhaps the car and driver analogy at the linked article below will be helpful.

Are you the car or the driver?
https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2020/01/10/are-you-the-car-or-the-driver/

Truth doesn't care about what direction it comes from, or what doctrine it adheres to, or who accepts it or rejects it. And it doesn't need anyone to defend it, either.

The Truth is we have all had thousands of Earth years to learn our lessons, beginning with we do NOT know better than our Creator. Some will learn these lessons and make themselves spiritually fit (ever strengthening in faith) and survive; others won't.
Bullshit.
 

Daciple

Star
Joined
Apr 25, 2017
Messages
1,157
Lol so I read the first sentence or two, then started scrolling past all the multiposts, and instantly was like is this just Bible_Student sock puppet? And low and behold in the last of the OP multiposts, we have A (not) Freeman trying to link us to that Jah False Prophet fellow.

So Freeman are you actually Jah Himself, because I would much rather debate this False Christ than his little lackeys. As I asked Bible Student, please do us a favor and alert Jah to this forum, since he claims to be Christ he assuredly has the ability to join us here for debate regardless of what else is going on, I mean he is God right?

Come on over here Jah, let us debate openly...
 

JoChris

Superstar
Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
6,168
The following is a partial list that's being worked on of verses that confirm reincarnation is an irrefutable fact.

Genesis 2:7
Genesis 5:23-24, Hebrews 11:5
Genesis 6:3, 6:11-17, 7:21-22
Genesis 14:18-20, John 8:47-49 (KJV 8:56-58)
Genesis 49:1, 49:10
Deuteronomy 4:30
Deuteronomy 31:16
Deuteronomy 31:29
Deuteronomy 32:29
Enoch 6:11-12
Enoch 10:10, 23
Enoch 12:1-2
Enoch 15:3-7
Enoch 22:5-7
Enoch 39:11-12
Enoch 49:1
Enoch 60:14, Eph. 5:14
Enoch 70:13
Enoch 90:1
Enoch 91:1-3
Enoch 99:3
2 Samuel 7:12
1 Kings 1:21, 2:10
2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9, 13:13, 14:16, 14:22, 14:29
2 Kings 15:7, 15:22, 15:38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6
2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2
2 Chronicles 26:23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20
Job 1:21
Job 14:12-14
Job 34:14-15
Psalm 16:10
Psalm 22:29
Psalm 23
Psalm 30:3
Psalm 33:18-20
Psalm 49:14-15
Psalm 56:13
Psalm 58:3
Psalm 82:6-7
Psalm 90:1-10
Psalm 102:20-26
Psalm 103:20
Psalm 104:4
Psalm 107:24-26
Psalm 111:9-10
Psalm 116:7-9
Psalm 118:17
Psalm 119:175-176
Psalm 136:23
Psalm 142:7
Psalm 143:3-8
Jeremiah 1:5
Daniel 12:13

Matthew 16:24-28
Matthew 17:10-13
Matthew 19:28
Matthew 22:29-32
Matthew 24:3, 32-34
Mark 12:24-27
Luke 8:52-55
Luke 9:23-27
Luke 20:34-38
Luke 20:41-44
John 1:14-15
John 3:3-13
John 8:42-43
John 9:1-2; 5:14
John 11:11-44
John 17:5
John 17:14-17
John 18:36-37
Thomas 3:5-6
Thomas 6:1
Thomas 6:8-10
Thomas 8:4
Thomas 8:8-10
Thomas 13:16
Thomas 16:1-2
James 2:26
Galatians 6:7
2 Corinthians 5:6-10
2 Corinthians 12:2-5
Hebrews 9:27-28
Revelation 1:5
Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8
Revelation 2:17, 3:12, 19:12
Revelation 28:10-12

Sura 2:28
Sura 2:53-56
Sura 2:154-157
Sura 3:181-184
Sura 7:53
Sura 7:167-169
Sura 13:5
Sura 16:70
Sura 17:46-51
Sura 17:96-99
Sura 20:55
Sura 22:5-6
Sura 22:65-66
Sura 23:30-40
Sura 23:80-84
Sura 23:99-101
Sura 26:81
Sura 27:67
Sura 30:40
Sura 32:10-12
Sura 36:68
Sura 37:11-20
Sura 39:42
Sura 40:11
Sura 41:20-25
Sura 50:2-11
Sura 56:24
Sura 56:47-52
Sura 56:60-62
Sura 71:17-18
Sura 79:10-12
Sura 80:18-23
Sura 100:9-11

So if you believe you're flying SOLO, or YOLO, then you should issue a BOLO, because you've lost your mind.
We all know John Anthony Hill loves the reincarnation doctrine because then he can convince himself/ the incredibly gullible that he is Jesus Christ reincarnated.
No person with any biblical knowledge will ever fall for his delusion. Even people with no religious knowledge but basic logic should quickly realise he is deluded.

WHERE are his translation qualifications shown on his website A Freeman?


Acts 1:10 And while they [the apostles] looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
 

JoChris

Superstar
Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
6,168
Lol so I read the first sentence or two, then started scrolling past all the multiposts, and instantly was like is this just Bible_Student sock puppet? And low and behold in the last of the OP multiposts, we have A (not) Freeman trying to link us to that Jah False Prophet fellow.

So Freeman are you actually Jah Himself, because I would much rather debate this False Christ than his little lackeys. As I asked Bible Student, please do us a favor and alert Jah to this forum, since he claims to be Christ he assuredly has the ability to join us here for debate regardless of what else is going on, I mean he is God right?

Come on over here Jah, let us debate openly...
Expect walls of blended religious prooftexts + waffle instead of proof either way (whether any of them are Jahtruth or not). It is the only way they know how to answer.
 

Red Sky at Morning

Superstar
Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
13,979
We all know John Anthony Hill loves the reincarnation doctrine because then he can convince himself/ the incredibly gullible that he is Jesus Christ reincarnated.
No person with any biblical knowledge will ever fall for his delusion. Even people with no religious knowledge but basic logic should quickly realise he is deluded.

WHERE are his translation qualifications shown on his website A Freeman?


Acts 1:10 And while they [the apostles] looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
It does make me wonder who the intended audience for this JAH stuff actually is? Anyone with even a Sunday School knowledge of the Bible, a guy coming along and claiming to be a reincarnated Jesus must ring alarm bells!!!

Matthew 24

False Christs

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
 

shankara

Star
Joined
Apr 23, 2018
Messages
1,322
A spirit-Being in its free state has almost unlimited power. A spirit-Being does not feel pain, and therefore cannot be punished or sent to bed without its supper when it misbehaves.

The reason humans were created is to serve as individual prison cells for spirit-Beings in this prison-planet reform school. That way, through the human, the spirit-Being can be corrected when it does wrong, and rewarded when it learns its lessons and passes its tests. We are to learn to overcome and control all of the selfish tendencies of the human, so we are doing our Creator's Will for the greater good in eternal time, rather than continuing to serve the selfish interests of a mortal human.

Think about it.

Materialism, greed, envy, resentment and the fear that drives them all are ALL self-centered human emotions, which are completely and totally illogical. Humans live their entire lives trying to acquire as much material wealth as possible, while acknowledging that we can't take it with us. This selfish, materialistic mindset is literally destroying this planet, which is the life-support system for ALL plant and animal life, including the humans.

We have been warned by our Creator - through His Firstborn Son known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ - that it is IMPOSSIBLE to serve Him and materialism, because they are polar opposites. Our Creator's Law requires all of us to treat our neighbors with the love and respect with which we would like to be treated, and to take care of our natural surroundings, learning to waste as little as possible by conserving everything.

Of course materialism is the exact opposite, wasting as much as possible for selfish gain, which eventually destroys everything. There's an old Cree Indian saying which sums up this situation (our present course) well:-

When all of the trees are cut down;
When all of the rivers and lakes are polluted;
When all of the fish have been caught from the sea;
Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten


THAT is why we MUST learn to control these human animal bodies, remember who and what we REALLY are, and return to keeping our Creator's Perfect Law.

With this TRUTH and LOGIC in mind, what purpose would it serve for someone to be placed inside the body of something other than a human? An animal can only learn how to do what it's programmed to do: survive. A human+Being on the other hand, can learn to be selfless.

Perhaps the car and driver analogy at the linked article below will be helpful.

Are you the car or the driver?
https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2020/01/10/are-you-the-car-or-the-driver/

Truth doesn't care about what direction it comes from, or what doctrine it adheres to, or who accepts it or rejects it. And it doesn't need anyone to defend it, either.

The Truth is we have all had thousands of Earth years to learn our lessons, beginning with we do NOT know better than our Creator. Some will learn these lessons and make themselves spiritually fit (ever strengthening in faith) and survive; others won't.

The Survival Plan
Great, but you kind of went off the topic of what I actually posted... My personal view on the human physical body isn't that it is so much a prison or something evil but rather a crystalization of cosmic forces at a certain level of density. There are denser forces below in what is commonly referred to as "hell" and in fact these denser forces have (almost complete) control over the psychology of "human" beings. There are also less dense forces above, for example we all have the Astral Body which has a lot more freedom, like being able to go to any place instantly.
 

Lisa

Superstar
Joined
Mar 13, 2017
Messages
20,288
Expect walls of blended religious prooftexts + waffle instead of proof either way (whether any of them are Jahtruth or not). It is the only way they know how to answer.
He does walls too...lol!
 

Lisa

Superstar
Joined
Mar 13, 2017
Messages
20,288
It does make me wonder who the intended audience for this JAH stuff actually is? Anyone with even a Sunday School knowledge of the Bible, a guy coming along and claiming to be a reincarnated Jesus must ring alarm bells!!!

Matthew 24

False Christs

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
VC is fertile ground with people who have strange and different beliefs... that’s their audience.
 

A Freeman

Superstar
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
6,886
Great, but you kind of went off the topic of what I actually posted... My personal view on the human physical body isn't that it is so much a prison or something evil but rather a crystalization of cosmic forces at a certain level of density. There are denser forces below in what is commonly referred to as "hell" and in fact these denser forces have (almost complete) control over the psychology of "human" beings. There are also less dense forces above, for example we all have the Astral Body which has a lot more freedom, like being able to go to any place instantly.
Apologies; it was thought we were discussing the Truth about the subject at hand for our mutual benefit rather than your personal opinions.
 

shankara

Star
Joined
Apr 23, 2018
Messages
1,322
Apologies; it was thought we were discussing the Truth about the subject at hand for our mutual benefit rather than your personal opinions.
Ok, you just went off the whole topic and posted a load of stuff which wasn't really relevant in response to my post. So I responded with my own perspective on the thing which you started talking about. Anyway, I'm sorry if my "personal opinions" are irrelevant in comparison to your own personal opinions, of course whatever spiritual teachers I've had simply aren't on the same level as yours...

Actually the idea I was putting across has a basis in Kabbalah and Tantrism. I'm quite familiar with the notion that the human body and planet earth is a prison, having studied quite a bit about Gnosticism, I think that in a certain sense that's a correct opinion but can lead to a kind of dualistic way of thinking where anything "of the flesh" is rejected, leading to an extremity of asceticism. I would prefer to think of the body as a tool, as a vehicle, as a means to attain realization. Of course the physical body is much more limited than the astral body and is subject to conditioning, which one could refer to as "satan" in a sense.

In Buddhist practise on the level of sutra the body is to be considered impure. This is one of the four characteristics of existence - impermanent, suffering, not-self and impure. When one gets into the whole tantric the body is considered to be a kind of support for practice, the aggregates (form i.e. the body, sensation, discrimination, concept and consciousness) are considered to be forms of the deities.

So yeah, that's pretty much the roots of my "personal opinion" on the subject.
 

A Freeman

Superstar
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
6,886
It does make me wonder who the intended audience for this JAH stuff actually is? Anyone with even a Sunday School knowledge of the Bible, a guy coming along and claiming to be a reincarnated Jesus must ring alarm bells!!!

Matthew 24

False Christs

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Apparently you don't even understand the difference between Jesus (the human son born of the virgin body of Mary) and Christ (God's Eldest/Firstborn Son).

The prophecy you just quoted states that MANY shall come in Christ's Name and shall deceive MANY. That would be organized religion, in particular 'Christianity' - which uses and abuses Christ's Name by doing the exact opposite of what Christ teaches - which has deceived BILLIONS. One human+Being could never be considered to be "many" except in the minds of a complete lunatic.

The Bible makes it crystal clear that reincarnation is an irrefutable fact. Sun-day school and its Babylonian sun-worshipping teachers, which Christ referred to as "the blind leading the blind" teach the exact opposite, for their master Satan. No wonder you're so confused.

All anyone needs to do to determine the TRUTH about reincarnation is to search the Scriptures for themselves. It's there in hundreds of verses for anyone who isn't spiritually sound asleep and blinded by their own arrogance, with its programmed, satanic inverted vision.

The same goes for the REAL Christ. All one needs to do is search the Scriptures for the "marks" describing Christ. There would be no need for Satan to send all of the false christs/false prophets and their satanic sun-day school teachers if not to hide the REAL Christ Who, as He prophesied, would have to be here NOW.

Is there anyone here even capable of conducting a rational, evidence-based debate on any subject? It certainly doesn't appear so, with all of the ad hominem attacks, strawman arguments, and the cognitive dissonance and self-contradictory nonsense that is regularly displayed while sharing their(?) "opinions".

Conjecture, regardless of how forcefully or illogically it is expressed, will NEVER be the same as actual evidence.

Should I be sorry for interrupting your regularly scheduled programming with the Truth? It must sound particularly weird (Isa. 33:19). after becoming so accustomed to the LIES (Isa. 30:10) taught by all of the churches (Matt. 6:5-8, Matt. 23:8-10) and their Sun-day school teachers (Matt. 15:14).

The sleeper (the spirit-Being/Soul asleep inside the human) MUST awaken (Eph. 5:14).
 

Red Sky at Morning

Superstar
Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
13,979
Top