Reincarnation Is An Irrefutable Fact

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“We could see that it was a middle-aged man; he looked around wildly, then saw the group of souls and began to relax.

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To my surprise, when I focused closely on him, I could pick up on what he was feeling and thinking. I glanced at Wil, who nodded that he was also sensing the person’s reaction.

I focused again and observed that, in spite of a certain detachment and sense of love and support, he was in a state of shock at having discovered his body had died. Only minutes before, he had been routinely jogging, and while attempting to run up a long hill, his body had suffered a massive heart-attack. The pain had lasted only a few seconds, and then he was hovering outside his body, watching a stream of bystanders rush up to help him. Soon a team of paramedics arrived and worked feverishly to bring him back.

As he sat beside his body in the ambulance, he had listened in horror as the team-leader had pronounced his body dead. Frantically he had attempted to communicate, but no-one could hear. At the hospital a doctor confirmed to the crew that his heart had literally exploded; that no-one could have done anything to save his life.

Part of him tried to accept the fact; another resisted. How could he be dead; because he was still alive? He had called out for help and had instantly found himself in a tunnel of colours that had brought him to where he now stood. As we watched, he seemed to become more aware of the souls and moved toward them, shifting out of focus to us, appearing more like them.

after-death-experience
Then abruptly he pulled back toward us and was quickly surrounded by an office of some kind, filled with computers and wall-charts and people working. Everything looked perfectly real, except the walls were semi-transparent, so that we could see what was happening inside, and the sky above the office was not blue, but a strange olive colour.

“He’s deluding himself,” Wil said. “He’s re-creating the office where he worked on Earth, trying to pretend his body hasn’t died.”

near-death-experience
The souls moved closer and others came until there were dozens of them, all flickering in and out of focus in the amber light. They seemed to be sending the man Love and some kind of information I couldn’t understand. Gradually the constructed office began to fade and eventually disappeared completely.

The man was left with an expression of resignation on his face, and he again moved into focus with the souls.

“Let’s go with them,” I heard Wil say. At the same moment, I felt his arm, or rather, the energy of his arm, pushing against my back.

going-into-the-light
As soon as I inwardly agreed, there was the slight sensation of movement, and the souls and the man all came into clearer focus. The souls now had glowing faces much as Wil and I did, but their hands and feet, instead of being clearly formed, were mere radiations of light. I could now focus on the entities for as long as four or five seconds before losing them and having to blink to find them again.

I became aware that the group of souls, as well as the deceased individual, was watching an intense point of bright light moving towards us. It eventually swelled into a massive beam that covered everything. Unable to look directly at the light, I turned so I could just see the silhouette of the man, who was staring fully at the beam without apparent difficulty.

Again I could pick up on his thoughts. The light was filling him with an unimaginable sense of love and calm perspective. As this sensation swept over him, his viewpoint and knowledge expanded until he could clearly see the life he had just lived form a broad and amazingly detailed perspective. . .”

Adapted from “The Tenth Insight” by James Redfield


The man described above was experiencing what is known as a “life review”, where our soul (our true, higher-self), immediately after its release from the body that it was using on Earth, has the life it has just lived reviewed and evaluated. It is congratulated for the good things that it had done and learned in that incarnation and will be punished for all of the evil that it has done and learned. It is then either rewarded for its good deeds by being sent back into a healthy body, in good circumstances, upon its next incarnation; or it is punished for the evil things it has done by either being placed in a handicapped, retarded or unhealthy body, or possibly is placed in adverse circumstances to teach it the values it has failed to learn in its previous incarnations (John 9:1-2; 5:14).

defending-your-life
John 9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth. (re-incarnation)
John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did SIN, THIS MAN, or his parents, that he was BORN blind?
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

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This life-evaluation fulfills the perfect system of cause-and-effect that many cultures in the world believe in, which is known by many different names such as “Karma” in the Eastern religions and “Sowing and Reaping” in the West (Galatians 6:7).

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.

The most important words in all of Scripture may be found in the Gospel of John, chapter 3, where Christ-Jesus said the following:-

John 3:3-7
3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE the Kingdom of God.

3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-“Being” (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into the Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-“Being”).

3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-“Being”) – (a human+Being).

3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and where it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? (How can I not be human?)
3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a teacher of Israel, and knowest not these things?

3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?

3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

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The reason these words are the most important should be self-evident; if one cannot “see” the Kingdom of God then they have absolutely no hope of entering it.

Christianity (Matt. 15:14) wrongly teaches people they are humans that have a soul, which is exactly backwards and thus totally illogical. If we are not the Soul, then what passes on? As everyone should well know, all human existence ends with human death, so if someone is “only human”, then there is no life after death, as human death is a certainty.
Liar.

JOHN 9:1-4
And passing by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?”​
Jesus answered, “Neither this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was that the works of God should be displayed in him.​
 






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I don't fully agree with your guru's way of thinking, this however is somewhat interesting. I would say that reincarnation (if that, rather than 'rebirth' or 'transmigration' or something, is the proper word) is definitely a fact for the reason that finite sins cannot merit infinite punishments. Where I would disagree would be with your whole idea that people are only given a quite limited number of reincarnations and afterwards are 'dissolved' or 'burned' or whatever... I do think that there are hell realms where ego is destroyed, lower dimensions which are much more painful than life on this planet (painful it already be...) but the notion that at some point forgiveness is exhausted and the condemnation extended to eternity I don't find particularly logical.
 






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Hinduism oldest book are the Vedas, and Buddhism is an offspring of Hinduism.

In the Veda, the concept of reincarnation is absent.

It came much later and may be misunderstood now.

I think the Cosmic Ages (Yuga) are roughly to the Creative Day, in Genesys.
There was 6 days, we live in the stage of the 7th day.
After the end of the world, come the next day with a new reality but bearing the fruit of the precedent day (as our current Day have the fruits of the former days, light/darkness, mountains, trees and so on...).

In the next Day we are retuning to life, the souls of all being return to a new body.

I think Reincarnation and Resurrection differ on this point, when is the return of the soul into a new creation:
At the next age or during the same age?
 






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JOHN 9:1-4
And passing by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?”​
Jesus answered, “Neither this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was that the works of God should be displayed in him.​
JOHN 9:1-4
And passing by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be BORN blind?”

Ask yourself this: Why were the disciples even asking this question of Christ? It would have been a pointless question UNLESS the disciples already knew about and believed in reincarnation themselves, and that we are all punished for our sins, AS CHRIST (The Master/Teacher/Rabboni) TAUGHT THEM.

Jesus answered
, Neither this man (this human) sinned, nor his parents (God does NOT punish us for the sins of our parents ); but it was that the works of God should be displayed in him." (speaking of God's PERFECT system of reward and punishment of each of us - the SOULS/Spirit-Beings).

THINK about it. Do you think God unfair and unjust?

Do you really think that God would give each of us just one human lifetime to get it right or burn, and then put some of us in bodies that were physically blind, while putting others in perfectly healthy bodies that could see? How would that be fair?

And what about some living just a few years while others living for over a hundred? How would that be fair?


To think that God—Who is immortal, lives in eternity, is merciful and long-suffering that all might come to repentance—only gives a miserly seventy years (or less) out of the whole of eternity to get it right, or burn (in The Fire – the second death), is not only totally illogical and an insult to God, but further proof of not learning what NEEDS to be learned: the TRUTH about reincarnation. How can giving us seventy years (or less) out of eternity be considered long-suffering? Six thousand years is what God considers long-suffering.

The Bible is literally FILLED with references to reincarnation. One would have to be completely asleep, or so far into Satan's grip that there is no hope, to miss it.
 






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I don't fully agree with your guru's way of thinking, this however is somewhat interesting. I would say that reincarnation (if that, rather than 'rebirth' or 'transmigration' or something, is the proper word) is definitely a fact for the reason that finite sins cannot merit infinite punishments.
Agreed. But humans, who live short, finite lifetimes, are incapable of understanding what "infinite" or "eternity" means. That's why those human+Beings led by their humans scoff at the idea of reincarnation while those led by the Being accept it as self-evident.

What's amazing is that there are literally hundreds of verses in Scripture which teach reincarnation and yet those led by their humans instead of by their spirit-Being read right past them and focus on anything that they believe to be referring to something physical, as evidenced in this thread. Unfortunately, these backward human beliefs are fatal to the Soul/spirit-Being within.

Romans 8:3-10
8:3 For what The Law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh (the human), God sending His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh (incarnated Him in human form - John 1:14), and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh*:
8:4 That the Righteousness of The Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not following the flesh (the human), but following the Spirit.
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh (finite, mortal humans think like humans and about humans); but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit (immortal spirit-Beings/Souls).
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace (John 3:5-6).
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be (anything spiritual/heavenly is completely FOREIGN to the human).
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh (thinking like humans, with their carnal minds) cannot please God.
8:9 But ye are not of the flesh, but of the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you (within one's spirit-Being/Soul). Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.
8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Where I would disagree would be with your whole idea that people are only given a quite limited number of reincarnations and afterwards are 'dissolved' or 'burned' or whatever... I do think that there are hell realms where ego is destroyed, lower dimensions which are much more painful than life on this planet (painful it already be...) but the notion that at some point forgiveness is exhausted and the condemnation extended to eternity I don't find particularly logical.
This is the hell realm (planet Earth) where the ego MUST be destroyed, under these adverse conditions and human limitations. It sounds like we are in agreement that 6000 years relative to eternity IS a rather short period of time, but the reason why we are here and what our being here means for everyone else involved must also be taken into consideration to form the full picture.

This planet is a maximum security prison reform school for the criminally insane, where everyone is on death row for the crime of treason (Isa. 14:12-17, Rev. 12:7-9, Sura 7: 11-18, Sura 17:61-65). It is being guarded day and night by the very Beings (our Brothers) we fought against in the war, with two guards per inmate (Rev. 12:3-4). So there are roughly 14,000,000,000 angels/Spirit-Beings/Souls committed to babysitting this prison reform school who would like to go home, once the job is done.

How would you process a bunch of inmates on death row, to be as patient and merciful as possible, to give each and every one of them the opportunity to come to their senses, and want--of their own free will--to do good rather than evil? Wouldn't you necessarily need to single out those who had a genuine interest in being rehabilitated (love the truth) from those who couldn't care less (because they prefer to believe in lies)?

That is why we--who are gods/spirit-Beings/Souls/angels/Beings of Light--have been given many, many human lifetimes, to establish beyond any reasonable doubt (with absolute certainty, really), whether we even want to be rehabilitated or not.

It therefore LOGICALLY follows that those who have no desire to be rehabilitated should NOT have their death sentences commuted, as it would be totally unjust and unfair to do so, and a waste of resources and everyone's time as well.

Everything we do (our actions) echo in eternity. And we WILL all be judged according to our works (whether they be good or evil).

Perfect Divine Justice. Perfect karma (Gal. 6:7, Sura 3:137).
 






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Agreed. But humans, who live short, finite lifetimes, are incapable of understanding what "infinite" or "eternity" means. That's why those human+Beings led by their humans scoff at the idea of reincarnation while those led by the Being accept it as self-evident.

What's amazing is that there are literally hundreds of verses in Scripture which teach reincarnation and yet those led by their humans instead of by their spirit-Being read right past them and focus on anything that they believe to be referring to something physical, as evidenced in this thread. Unfortunately, these backward human beliefs are fatal to the Soul/spirit-Being within.

Romans 8:3-10
8:3 For what The Law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh (the human), God sending His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh (incarnated Him in human form - John 1:14), and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh*:
8:4 That the Righteousness of The Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not following the flesh (the human), but following the Spirit.
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh (finite, mortal humans think like humans and about humans); but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit (immortal spirit-Beings/Souls).
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace (John 3:5-6).
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be (anything spiritual/heavenly is completely FOREIGN to the human).
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh (thinking like humans, with their carnal minds) cannot please God.
8:9 But ye are not of the flesh, but of the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you (within one's spirit-Being/Soul). Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.
8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.


This is the hell realm (planet Earth) where the ego MUST be destroyed, under these adverse conditions and human limitations. It sounds like we are in agreement that 6000 years relative to eternity IS a rather short period of time, but the reason why we are here and what our being here means for everyone else involved must also be taken into consideration to form the full picture.

This planet is a maximum security prison reform school for the criminally insane, where everyone is on death row for the crime of treason (Isa. 14:12-17, Rev. 12:7-9, Sura 7: 11-18, Sura 17:61-65). It is being guarded day and night by the very Beings (our Brothers) we fought against in the war, with two guards per inmate (Rev. 12:3-4). So there are roughly 14,000,000,000 angels/Spirit-Beings/Souls committed to babysitting this prison reform school who would like to go home, once the job is done.

How would you process a bunch of inmates on death row, to be as patient and merciful as possible, to give each and every one of them the opportunity to come to their senses, and want--of their own free will--to do good rather than evil? Wouldn't you necessarily need to single out those who had a genuine interest in being rehabilitated (love the truth) from those who couldn't care less (because they prefer to believe in lies)?

That is why we--who are gods/spirit-Beings/Souls/angels/Beings of Light--have been given many, many human lifetimes, to establish beyond any reasonable doubt (with absolute certainty, really), whether we even want to be rehabilitated or not.

It therefore LOGICALLY follows that those who have no desire to be rehabilitated should NOT have their death sentences commuted, as it would be totally unjust and unfair to do so, and a waste of resources and everyone's time as well.

Everything we do (our actions) echo in eternity. And we WILL all be judged according to our works (whether they be good or evil).

Perfect Divine Justice. Perfect karma (Gal. 6:7, Sura 3:137).
I'm not sure that Divinity would engage in a practice so barbaric as capital punishment...

Forced ego death to the point where a new cycle of incarnation can begin and the soul again have the choice to ascend or descend, ok. But eternal condemnation is just a strategy used by the powers that be to instill fear into humanity.

The wheel of Samsara turns and turns again...
 






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JOHN 9:1-4
And passing by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be BORN blind?”

Ask yourself this: Why were the disciples even asking this question of Christ? It would have been a pointless question UNLESS the disciples already knew about and believed in reincarnation themselves, and that we are all punished for our sins, AS CHRIST (The Master/Teacher/Rabboni) TAUGHT THEM.
Nonsense. There is nothing in the bible to support your statement.

The question was not rhetorical, nor was intended as an opportunity to reinforce your / JHall's false beliefs.
 






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I'm not sure that Divinity would engage in a practice so barbaric as capital punishment...

Forced ego death to the point where a new cycle of incarnation can begin and the soul again have the choice to ascend or descend, ok. But eternal condemnation is just a strategy used by the powers that be to instill fear into humanity.
Eternal condemnation *is* unnecessary. The notion that one must engage in some form of (ridiculous!) Behavioral Modification, as some would have you believe, to avoid such punishment is even more ridiculous.

That isn't what it's all about... not by a long shot.
 






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Eternal condemnation *is* unnecessary. The notion that one must engage in some form of (ridiculous!) Behavioral Modification, as some would have you believe, to avoid such punishment is even more ridiculous.
How do we avoid eternal condemnation ?
 






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Eternal condemnation *is* unnecessary. The notion that one must engage in some form of (ridiculous!) Behavioral Modification, as some would have you believe, to avoid such punishment is even more ridiculous.

That isn't what it's all about... not by a long shot.
Ah yes, how silly that the idea that a virtuous life rather than the mere profession of a creed is the way in the direction of "salvation".
 






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Ah yes, how silly that the idea that a virtuous life rather than the mere profession of a creed is the way in the direction of "salvation".
Profession of a creed is not the way to salvation, but I didn't mention anything in my post about creeds.

Focusing on your own Virtue, however, is the antithesis of (this imaginary) ego death. It is a path of self absorption.
 






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Profession of a creed is not the way to salvation, but I didn't mention anything in my post about creeds.

Focusing on your own Virtue, however, is the antithesis of (this imaginary) ego death. It is a path of self absorption.
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him: 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.



Amen ?
 






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Profession of a creed is not the way to salvation, but I didn't mention anything in my post about creeds.

Focusing on your own Virtue, however, is the antithesis of (this imaginary) ego death. It is a path of self absorption.
Depends how you're defining virtue doesn't it? If you mean the unnecessary cultivation of extreme asceticism, yes I can that such a mode of action would be self-centered. But the "love thy neighbour as thyself" kind of virtues, like compassion, wishing peace, resistance against forces of oppression, honesty, I can't see how cultivating these sorts of qualities can be egoistic exactly. By the way, I'm not suggesting that I do fully manifest them myself!
 






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Profession of a creed is not the way to salvation, but I didn't mention anything in my post about creeds.

Focusing on your own Virtue, however, is the antithesis of (this imaginary) ego death. It is a path of self absorption.
Oh and isn't professing a creed as a means of salvation exactly and entirely what Protestantism is about? Perhaps you have a better definition of it?
 






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“We could see that it was a middle-aged man; he looked around wildly, then saw the group of souls and began to relax.

reincarnation-of-the-soul

To my surprise, when I focused closely on him, I could pick up on what he was feeling and thinking. I glanced at Wil, who nodded that he was also sensing the person’s reaction.

I focused again and observed that, in spite of a certain detachment and sense of love and support, he was in a state of shock at having discovered his body had died. Only minutes before, he had been routinely jogging, and while attempting to run up a long hill, his body had suffered a massive heart-attack. The pain had lasted only a few seconds, and then he was hovering outside his body, watching a stream of bystanders rush up to help him. Soon a team of paramedics arrived and worked feverishly to bring him back.

As he sat beside his body in the ambulance, he had listened in horror as the team-leader had pronounced his body dead. Frantically he had attempted to communicate, but no-one could hear. At the hospital a doctor confirmed to the crew that his heart had literally exploded; that no-one could have done anything to save his life.

Part of him tried to accept the fact; another resisted. How could he be dead; because he was still alive? He had called out for help and had instantly found himself in a tunnel of colours that had brought him to where he now stood. As we watched, he seemed to become more aware of the souls and moved toward them, shifting out of focus to us, appearing more like them.

after-death-experience
Then abruptly he pulled back toward us and was quickly surrounded by an office of some kind, filled with computers and wall-charts and people working. Everything looked perfectly real, except the walls were semi-transparent, so that we could see what was happening inside, and the sky above the office was not blue, but a strange olive colour.

“He’s deluding himself,” Wil said. “He’s re-creating the office where he worked on Earth, trying to pretend his body hasn’t died.”

near-death-experience
The souls moved closer and others came until there were dozens of them, all flickering in and out of focus in the amber light. They seemed to be sending the man Love and some kind of information I couldn’t understand. Gradually the constructed office began to fade and eventually disappeared completely.

The man was left with an expression of resignation on his face, and he again moved into focus with the souls.

“Let’s go with them,” I heard Wil say. At the same moment, I felt his arm, or rather, the energy of his arm, pushing against my back.

going-into-the-light
As soon as I inwardly agreed, there was the slight sensation of movement, and the souls and the man all came into clearer focus. The souls now had glowing faces much as Wil and I did, but their hands and feet, instead of being clearly formed, were mere radiations of light. I could now focus on the entities for as long as four or five seconds before losing them and having to blink to find them again.

I became aware that the group of souls, as well as the deceased individual, was watching an intense point of bright light moving towards us. It eventually swelled into a massive beam that covered everything. Unable to look directly at the light, I turned so I could just see the silhouette of the man, who was staring fully at the beam without apparent difficulty.

Again I could pick up on his thoughts. The light was filling him with an unimaginable sense of love and calm perspective. As this sensation swept over him, his viewpoint and knowledge expanded until he could clearly see the life he had just lived form a broad and amazingly detailed perspective. . .”

Adapted from “The Tenth Insight” by James Redfield


The man described above was experiencing what is known as a “life review”, where our soul (our true, higher-self), immediately after its release from the body that it was using on Earth, has the life it has just lived reviewed and evaluated. It is congratulated for the good things that it had done and learned in that incarnation and will be punished for all of the evil that it has done and learned. It is then either rewarded for its good deeds by being sent back into a healthy body, in good circumstances, upon its next incarnation; or it is punished for the evil things it has done by either being placed in a handicapped, retarded or unhealthy body, or possibly is placed in adverse circumstances to teach it the values it has failed to learn in its previous incarnations (John 9:1-2; 5:14).

defending-your-life
John 9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth. (re-incarnation)
John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did SIN, THIS MAN, or his parents, that he was BORN blind?
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

karma-reap-what-you-sow
This life-evaluation fulfills the perfect system of cause-and-effect that many cultures in the world believe in, which is known by many different names such as “Karma” in the Eastern religions and “Sowing and Reaping” in the West (Galatians 6:7).

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.

The most important words in all of Scripture may be found in the Gospel of John, chapter 3, where Christ-Jesus said the following:-

John 3:3-7
3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE the Kingdom of God.

3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-“Being” (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into the Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-“Being”).

3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-“Being”) – (a human+Being).

3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and where it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? (How can I not be human?)
3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a teacher of Israel, and knowest not these things?

3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?

3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

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The reason these words are the most important should be self-evident; if one cannot “see” the Kingdom of God then they have absolutely no hope of entering it.

Christianity (Matt. 15:14) wrongly teaches people they are humans that have a soul, which is exactly backwards and thus totally illogical. If we are not the Soul, then what passes on? As everyone should well know, all human existence ends with human death, so if someone is “only human”, then there is no life after death, as human death is a certainty.
I would like to believe that reincarnation is a “fact,” but the realistic fact is that not a living souls has ever returned to Earth and told anyone anything about this being true. There is simply zero proof.
 






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I would like to believe that reincarnation is a “fact,” but the realistic fact is that not a living souls has ever returned to Earth and told anyone anything about this being true. There is simply zero proof.
This is untrue, there are people who have memories of past lives. Generally I think this requires attaining a certain degree of proficiency in meditative techniques. Anyway, I don't think they're likely to be shouting it from the housetops, sometimes even speaking truth isn't actually beneficial to humanity.

Personally I would go with a kind of logical proof, that actions must have a reaction and no more or no less than the deserved reaction (which throws out the whole "eternal lake of fire" concept).
 






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This is complete nonsense and you know it. There is no reincarnation in the Bible whatever you say and the Bible does not contradict itself.
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Reincarnation is when someone dies, that person goes into the lower body of an animal or another person; continually rotating, until they are purified from all sin. So, you would have many deaths; as the person’s soul passes from one body to another. The Bible says you die ONCE physically, and then the judgment. No reincarnation.
This belief of reincarnation OMITS GOD as the forgiver of sins. It's so disrespectful to ignore God when he's the one that forgives and blots out sins. He knows when a heart is truly repentant.
Hebrews 9:27, "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment."

What we have in the Bible is the resurrection. In resurrection, the human remains a human. They are the same human they were before. They will have both their physical bodies and breath of life with the same minds. There is a transformation of the body into an immortal form of the same body. There is a direct relationship between the physical body that dies and the body that physically rises to immortality. The body is made new in the sense that it is perfected and no longer subject to frailty and death.
Absolutely!! Very well put.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54, "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Stop forcing on the Bible your false doctrine of paganism. What the Bible teaches on this subject is plain and easy to understand. Goodbye.
 






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This is untrue, there are people who have memories of past lives. Generally I think this requires attaining a certain degree of proficiency in meditative techniques.
Because rational and sane people know there is no such thing as past lives? You would have to train yourself to think a different way.
 






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Because rational and sane people know there is no such thing as past lives? You would have to train yourself to think a different way.
Personally I would go with a kind of logical proof, that actions must have a reaction and no more or no less than the deserved reaction (which throws out the whole "eternal lake of fire" concept).
Obviously I'm not really interested in debating this with a biblical literalist, it would simply be a waste of time.
 






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Personally I would go with a kind of logical proof, that actions must have a reaction and no more or no less than the deserved reaction (which throws out the whole "eternal lake of fire" concept).
I don’t think that’s logical at all. We all want it to be logical but its not and I don’t think that it works in real life.
A man could get 20 years because he stole something but a murderer could get 10 years...sometimes the time doesn’t seem to fit the crime.
God says that its all a crime no matter what you do, say or think and there is one punishment for all and that’s the lake of fire. There is a crime (sin) and one punishment for it. There aren’t separate degrees or separate punishments. It’s really plain and simple really, you know what you’ll get there’s no plea bargaining, or being released for good behavior...you do the crime, you’ll do the time.
 






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