Reincarnation Is An Irrefutable Fact

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The following is an honest look at Hebrews 9:27, which is frequently quoted by "Christians" as alleged proof of their mistaken belief in "YOLO", instead of in YHWH (the " I AM") and His Word.

Because reading comprehension is currently almost non-existent, certain key terms will be capitalized and boldfaced, so that the verse can be properly understood.

From the KJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 9:27-28&version=KJV):

Hebrews 9:27-28
27 And as it is APPOINTED unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this THE JUDGEMENT:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


APPOINTED

The word "appointed" means: "chosen for a specific duty or responsibility".

"Appointed" would be a very odd word to use to describe the physical death of a human, particularly given it is not our responsibility. It is Father (God) Who decides when each human life will end, and how many times that will happen.


ONCE TO DIE

To assume this is referring to human death, is to wrongly assume the verse is inaccurate (i.e. a LIE).

Enoch didn't even die once.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

And neither did Elijah.

2 kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Also recorded in Scripture were MANY humans who were raised from the dead, and thus experienced physical human death TWICE.

1) God raised (through Elijah) Zarephath's son (1 kings 17:17-24);
2) God raised (through Elisha) the Shunammite woman's son (2 kings 4:18-36);
3) God raised (through contact with Elisha's body) the Israelite man when the Moabites invaded (2 kings 13:20-21);
4) God raised (through Jesus) the widow's son from the city of Nain (Luke 7:11-17);
5) God raised (through Jesus) Jairus' daughter (Luke 8:49-56);
6) God raised (through Jesus) Lazarus (John 11:1-44);
7) God raised MANY when Jesus died and the Temple Veil rent in two (Matt. 27:50-54);
8) God raised (through Peter) Tabitha (Acts 9:36-42); and
9) God raised (through Paul) Eutychus (Acts 20:7-12).

Of course there have been many since then who have died and been revived, and have shared accounts of their out-of-body experiences too. These experiences have been relabeled as "NDEs" (near death experiences).

It should therefore be self-evident that Hebrews 9:27 cannot possibly be referring to physical human death, because physical human death does NOT always occur only once.


THE JUDGEMENT (Judgement Day)

The Judgement that each and every one of us will face (including Enoch) will occur ONCE, on Judgement Day, aka the Great and Dreadful Day of The Lord. Nowhere in Scripture does it tell us that each of us are judged immediately after experiencing physical human death.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must ALL appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ (John 5:22); that every one may receive the (recompense for) things [done whilst] IN [his] body, according to that he hath DONE, whether [it be] good or bad.


THE DEATH OF "SELF"

Now that we can say with absolute certainty that Hebrews 9:27 is NOT referring to physical, human death, what death is it referring to that God has appointed unto men once to die before Judgement Day?

Matthew 10:37-38
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter (or anyone or anything) more than me is not worthy of me.
10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth Him that sent me.
10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

Mark 8:34-35
8:34 And when he had called the people [unto him] with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny his "Self", and take up his cross, and follow me.
8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Luke 9:23-25
9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross DAILY, and follow me.
9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Luke 14:26-27
14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own (human) life also, he can NOT be my disciple.
14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, can NOT be my disciple.

Galatians 2:20 My "Self" is crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I (the "Self"), but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

"Self" crucifixion is the death of the ego("self"). The death of the "self" precedes being "born AGAIN" as one's true, SPIRITUAL self (from above), which Christ plainly stated MUST happen.

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again.

How could anyone who hasn't learned to die to "self", so that they can be born again from above, see Christ in His Second Coming? Most aren't even looking for Christ now, even though the prophecies plainly state that He WILL be here NOW.

Hebrews 9:27-28
27 And as it is appointed unto (the "self" of) men once to die, but after this The Judgement:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation.

Are YOU looking for Him?
 

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1 kings 2:10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.

1 kings 11:43 And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.

1 kings 15:24 And Asa slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David his father (Bethlehem): and Jehoshaphat his son reigned in his stead.

Matthew 9:23-24
9:23 And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,
9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.

John 11:11-14
11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
11:13 Howbeit Jesus spoke of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

People read these references to the death of the human body described as "sleeping", perhaps never considering why human death would be described that way in Scripture.

And even after God raised the dead through Jesus, after Jesus referred to them as "sleeping", people STILL don't get it.


The human body physically goes to sleep for a few hours out of every day (24 hour period) to recharge/regenerate, so it can carry on living the next day. And this process repeats itself thousands and thousands of times throughout an average human lifetime.

So describing human death as "sleeping" is very accurately describing reincarnation, from a spiritual point of view, as the Soul (spiritual-Being) rests between its previous incarnation inside of one human body, to its next incarnation inside another human body.
 

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From time to time somebody in a forum will say "I was such-and-such in a past life and now I'm reincarnated"
So I ask them to tell us what it was like in their past life, as I'd be fascinated to know, but they seem to evade the question and only give vague generalisations, why is that?
 

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From time to time somebody in a forum will say "I was such-and-such in a past life and now I'm reincarnated"
So I ask them to tell us what it was like in their past life, as I'd be fascinated to know, but they seem to evade the question and only give vague generalisations, why is that?
Probably because the more set in their ways one becomes in the human body they are presently incarnating, the less they are able to remember from any of their past lives.

That's why young children, often under the age of five offer some of the most amazing (detailed and accurate) testimony about their most recent past (human) life, as evidenced in the videos that are included in the article.

How many have experienced déjà vu many times during their human lifetime? Or possess certain skills without any training or experience?

And most importantly, should we not take into consideration that Scripture is filled with teachings about karma and reincarnation, including Christ's Teachings about it directly from the mouth of Jesus?
 

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..Scripture is filled with teachings about karma and reincarnation, including Christ's Teachings about it directly from the mouth of Jesus?

Other scriptures might suggest reincarnation, but not Christianity..:)
Quote some Jesus verses if you think I'm wrong.
 

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I think a general rule of thumb when it comes to interpreting the Bible is to let the clear passages help interpret the unclear ones.

With this in mind there are obviously many clear ones stating the opposite position to this thread. The “unclear” passages only carry a hint of the possibility of reincarnation when isolated from context, with contradictory statements excluded.

This is the same pattern all other Christian cults adopt when they promote false teachings. Just consider the Watchtower Magazine with their skewed articles bending an already bad translation of the Bible to the ideas of the JW.org leadership.
 

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Other scriptures might suggest reincarnation, but not Christianity..:)
Quote some Jesus verses if you think I'm wrong.
For those interested in what The Word of God actually says about reincarnation, please take the time to read:

 

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For those interested in what The Word of God actually says about reincarnation, please take the time to read:

Sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to read any long links or vids that people post in internet forums or there'd be no end to it..:)
I'd much rather read people's short, sharp straight-to-the-point posts in their own words, take it as a compliment.
PS- the reincarnation thing in my opinion is just a satanic atheistic concept that they like to believe in because it comforts them to think they'll be reborn and escape hell..:)
 

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Sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to read any long links or vids that people post in internet forums or there'd be no end to it..:)
I'd much rather read people's short, sharp straight-to-the-point posts in their own words, take it as a compliment.
PS- the reincarnation thing in my opinion is just a satanic atheistic concept that they like to believe in because it comforts them to think they'll be reborn and escape hell..:)
When it is correctly understood that this is hell (planet Earth) and that the flames (hell-fire/The Lake of Fire, aka "The Fire") are simply reserved for the Last Day (Judgment Day), then it should be crystal clear that no one here has escaped hell (Ps. 16:10).

Since you cannot be bothered to read an article that quotes multiple examples of Christ teaching His Disciples about reincarnation (in answer to your question), then please explain the following passage about a man who was BORN BLIND, knowing that we are punished for our sins (John 5:1-14) and that God is just and fair in all things.

John 9:1-3
9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Reference:

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him (the man who had been sick for 38 years whom Jesus healed) in The Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

The "works of God" are perfect karma (ensuring we reap what we sow), with the soul/spirit-Being receiving the punishment for the sins of its past human life/lives by being placed inside a blind human body in its present human lifetime.
 

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Since you cannot be bothered to read an article that quotes multiple examples of Christ teaching His Disciples about reincarnation (in answer to your question), then please explain the following passage about a man who was BORN BLIND, knowing that we are punished for our sins (John 5:1-14) and that God is just and fair in all things.
John 9:1-3
9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Reference:
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him (the man who had been sick for 38 years whom Jesus healed) in The Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.
Those are only two passages mate, not "multiple examples", and they can be open to different interpretations..:)
By contrast here are multiple examples making it crystal clear that when we die we go into a kind of 'cryo sleep'-
"Don't grieve for those asleep, for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thess 4:13/14)
Then on judgement day we get a wake-up call-
"Sleepers in the dust of the earth shall awake, to eternal life or contempt" (Dan 12:2)
Jesus said:-"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)
Jesus to the chap on the cross next to him makes no mention of reincarnation-
"Today you'll be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:41)
And neither does this verse-
"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body..flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:42-50)
 

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Those are only two passages mate, not "multiple examples", and they can be open to different interpretations..:)
The article which you choose to ignore contains multiple examples, one of which was provided here, which you also chose to ignore.

By contrast here are multiple examples making it crystal clear that when we die we go into a kind of 'cryo sleep'-
"Don't grieve for those asleep, for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thess 4:13/14)
When someone goes to sleep at night, it may appear as if they are dead, but they awaken the next morning to a new day. That's why the metaphor "they slept with their fathers" is used to describe human death followed by the soul awakening in a new human body.

Then on judgement day we get a wake-up call-
"Sleepers in the dust of the earth shall awake, to eternal life or contempt" (Dan 12:2)
The sleepers are those who are spiritually asleep, e.g. those who don't realize they are a spiritual-Being and NOT the human they are temporarily incarnating. As long as someone remains spiritually asleep, they cannot see the Kingdom of God (which is SPIRITUAL - John 4:24), much less enter it (John 3:3-13). That is why the sleeper MUST awaken.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore He saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee Light.

On Judgment Day, the "dead", i.e. all those who have remained spiritually asleep, will be judged according to their works (perfect karma/divine justice).

Revelation 20:12-15
20:12 And I saw the "Dead", small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another Book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life: and the "Dead" were judged out of those things which were written in the Books, according to their works.
20:13 And the "sea" gave up the "Dead" which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their WORKS.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the "Lake of Fire". This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the "Lake of Fire".

Jesus said:-"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)
Again, perfect karma/divine justice, where everyone is judged according to their works, just as Christ said.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

Jesus to the chap on the cross next to him makes no mention of reincarnation-
"Today you'll be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:41)

And what is "paradise"? It certainly isn't heaven. Here is what Jesus said to Mary 3 days and 3 nights after the crucifixion:

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Paradise is where each of us go after each human lifetime, to receive our life review before being sent back here, just as Jesus showed us by example. So Luke 23:41 is actually telling us about reincarnation, in speaking of paradise.

And neither does this verse-
"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body..flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:42-50)
Better read that one again too. Seems you missed the differences again between the perishable human body and the imperishable spiritual-Being (and that flesh-and-blood humans CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God).

Nothing you've quoted disagrees with reincarnation and perfect karma/sowing and reaping. And you've ignored the one example that was shared, which proves reincarnation.

It's understood you're afraid to face the facts. And it's okay for you to admit that you're scared. Perhaps doing so will help you overcome the irrational fear of human death.

Peace be upon you.
 

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For those that wish to deny the numerous Scriptural references to reincarnation, please consider the following, very simple example from Christ (the Spiritual-Being and Firstborn Son of God) spoken through the mouth of Jesus (the human son of the virgin Mary), whom Christ was incarnating 2000 years ago (John 1:14):
There are no scriptural references to reincarnation, or the distinction you are trying create between "Christ" and Jesus (John 1:14).

Christ is a title.
In this case, the better term for the uncreated, self-existent Word of God is the Logos.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh...

becamegínomai
means to come into being - manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth. Thus it is used for God's actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing...) in time (physical space). Properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another.

Look at Mark 9:3 --> the Transfiguration

And he was transfigured before them,​
and His clothes became shining,​
exceedingly white, like snow, as no one​
on earth could bleach them.​

Jesus did not put on a new outfit.
Mark is describing the real-time manifestation of some kind of supernatural illumination, which was witnessed by Peter, James and John. His condition changed, but He did not. When He told the wind and the sea, which were both roaring, to essentially knock it off-- they did. The wind and the sea were still there; only their condition was changed. In the same sense, Jesus (before Abraham was, I AM) did not put on a new body. He manifested into this reality, fully God and fully man.

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And here we have the immortal Spiritual-Being Christ telling us, through the mouth of Jesus, that He is NOT OF THIS WORLD (Koks - John 8:14; KJV - John 8:23):
True... He isn't of the world.
Neither are those who believe him.

“If you were of the world, it would love​
you as its own. Instead, the world hates​
you, because you are not of the world,​
but I have chosen you out of the world."​
Jn. 15:18-19
"I have given them your word, and the​
world has hated them because they
are not of the world, just as I am not
of the world.
I do not ask that you take them out of​
the world, but that you keep them from​
the evil one. They are not of the world,​
just as I am not of the world. Jn. 17:14-16
•••​
It's also worth noting--> Jesus was addressing the Pharisees who were of this world. They, along with believers who were not of this world, inhabited the earth at the same time.

From your post:

He said to them, “You are from below;​
I am from above. You are of this world;​
I am not of this world. Jn. 8:23

He also said this to them:

O generation of vipers, how can ye,​
being evil, speak good things?​
Matt. 12:34 | * literally, OFFSPRING of vipers.
I speak of what I have seen with​
my Father, and you do what you​
have heard from your father.​
You are doing the works your father did --​
You are of your father the devil, and your​
will is to do your father’s desires. Jn. 8

When he says "of the world," He isn't referring to their present locale--> earth. Jesus is speaking (at minimum) of their spiritual kinship with the god of this world. As such, they carried out the work of the rulers & principalities of this world: outwardly
following the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. And it is the spirit of the law which is binding.

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.​

Though v. 44 makes "below" sound more like Tartarus: the Abyss, where the angels He charged with folly (perverseness) await the judgment.
Job 4:18 | Jude 1:6

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..Paradise is where each of us go after each human lifetime, to receive our life review before being sent back here, just as Jesus showed us by example.
It's understood you're afraid to face the facts. And it's okay for you to admit that you're scared. Perhaps doing so will help you overcome the irrational fear of human death.

You gotta be jiving us boy.. :D
Christians don't do 'scared' or 'afraid' because they've got zilch to be scared about !
Reincarnationists on the other hand can't face the prospect of dying, so they like to think they'll keep coming back over and over like characters who get killed in video games..:)
 

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You gotta be jiving us boy.. :D
Christians don't do 'scared' or 'afraid' because they've got zilch to be scared about !
Reincarnationists on the other hand can't face the prospect of dying, so they like to think they'll keep coming back over and over like characters who get killed in video games..:)
Too bad you only get one quarter. You barely learn how to play the game!

When goodness grows weak,
When evil increases,
I make myself a body.
In every age I come back
To deliver the holy,
To destroy the sin of the sinner,
To establish righteousness.
-- Krishna, Bhagavad Gita

“We have had many rebirths. I am aware of them; but you are not.” -- Krishna
 

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No true Christian believes in reincarnation..:)
PS- Krishna looks like a tranny cross-dresser, so i'd take anything he says with a pinch of salt-

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Good to see you have such wise discernment when it comes to assessing character (not). I realize Christians prefer their God to be tortured. I like Krishna. He danced with all the girls...at once!

"Christianity has yet to discover the transcendental dimensions of God consciousness (or Krishna consciousness) possessed by Jesus, its founder, who declared: "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'It is here,' or 'It is there.' The kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21).
"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he lost to Me." (Bhagavad-gita 6.30)
Christianity has not begun its transcendental task." -- omjesus.net
 

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There are no scriptural references to reincarnation, or the distinction you are trying create between "Christ" and Jesus (John 1:14).

Christ is a title.
Correct. And that title means "the One Whom God Anointed", frequently shortened to "the Anointed One". It should be self-evident that God didn't anoint Himself nor make Himself heir to everything, since everything already belongs to God.

In this case, the better term for the uncreated, self-existent Word of God is the Logos.
Nowhere in Scripture does it tell us that Christ is uncreated. In fact, it tells us the exact opposite multiple times.
The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature*:

*Note Well:

IMAGE
= LIKENESS. Micha-El literally means “Who is LIKE God?”. We (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God’s IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God, and neither is Christ.

INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus.

FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.

CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.


Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

Further, the word "of" means the same as "from", meaning the Word OF God is the Word FROM God. Something or someone that comes from one individual is clearly something separate from the one individual who sent that something or someone.

Further yet, the Greek word "logos" occurs over 60 times in the New Covenant/Testament, where it is translated as: sayings, faithful sayings, speech, preaching, communication, a report, tidings, and a written message, i.e. "the word" which -- coming FROM God -- is TRUTH (John 17:17). It is likewise used to describe Christ, Whom God SENT to deliver His Message of Truth, and to provide us with a flesh-and-blood example of God's Truth.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh...

becamegínomai
means to come into being - manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth. Thus it is used for God's actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing...) in time (physical space). Properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another.

From: https://biblehub.com/text/john/1-14.htm ...

became - ἐγένετο (egeneto) - 202 occurrences in the New Covenant, NONE of which mean "emerging from eternity".


Look at Mark 9:3 --> the Transfiguration

And he was transfigured before them,​
and His clothes became shining,​
exceedingly white, like snow, as no one​
on earth could bleach them.​

Jesus did not put on a new outfit.
Agreed. It was Christ -- the immortal spiritual-Being of Light and Firstborn Son of God -- Who was shining through the skin of Jesus (the mortal human son of Mary, aka the "Son of Man"), just as Moses (the spiritual-Being of Light) shone through his human skin/flesh.

Exodus 34:29-30
34:29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with The Two Tablets of Covenant in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses knew not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with Him.
34:30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come near him.

Mark is describing the real-time manifestation of some kind of supernatural illumination, which was witnessed by Peter, James and John. His condition changed, but He did not. When He told the wind and the sea, which were both roaring, to essentially knock it off-- they did. The wind and the sea were still there; only their condition was changed. In the same sense, Jesus (before Abraham was, I AM) did not put on a new body. He manifested into this reality, fully God and fully man.
As above please. We are all supernatural spiritual-Beings of Light (Souls) that are temporarily incarnated INSIDE the human animal body we see in the mirror. And each of us could do the same works as Jesus did, IF we had a modicum of faith.

It is God -- the God and Father of our Lord Christ-Jesus -- that works miracles through His Servants, just as God worked miracles through His Anointed One while Christ was incarnated inside of Jesus. Why do you think the world didn't recognize The Messiah/Christ even though Jesus was standing right in front of them (John 1:10)?

True... He isn't of the world.
Neither are those who believe him.

“If you were of the world, it would love​
you as its own. Instead, the world hates​
you, because you are not of the world,​
but I have chosen you out of the world."​
Jn. 15:18-19
"I have given them your word, and the​
world has hated them because they
are not of the world, just as I am not
of the world.
I do not ask that you take them out of​
the world, but that you keep them from​
the evil one. They are not of the world,​
just as I am not of the world. Jn. 17:14-16
Agreed.​
It's also worth noting--> Jesus was addressing the Pharisees who were of this world. They, along with believers who were not of this world, inhabited the earth at the same time.

From your post:

He said to them, “You are from below;​
I am from above. You are of this world;​
I am not of this world. Jn. 8:23

He also said this to them:

O generation of vipers, how can ye,​
being evil, speak good things?​
Matt. 12:34 | * literally, OFFSPRING of vipers.
I speak of what I have seen with​
my Father, and you do what you​
have heard from your father.​
You are doing the works your father did --​
You are of your father the devil, and your​
will is to do your father’s desires. Jn. 8

When he says "of the world," He isn't referring to their present locale--> earth. Jesus is speaking (at minimum) of their spiritual kinship with the god of this world.
Agreed. Those who believe they are "only human" can be very easily manipulated by Satan, who uses earthly pleasures and treasures to tempt the flesh. Those who KNOW they are actually spiritual-Beings that are NOT OF THIS WORLD understand that they are NOT the flesh/human that they are temporarily incarnating, and thus are learning "self"-control over the human, exactly as Christ teaches.


As such, they carried out the work of the rulers & principalities of this world: outwardly
following the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. And it is the spirit of the law which is binding.

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
.
2 Cor. 3:6
Many humans have no problem following their own made-up rules, legislation, traditions, etc., all of which are prohibited under God's Perfect Law which, as Christ plainly stated, will NEVER pass away (Matt. 5:17-20). Of course those who don't know or believe Christ-Jesus have no intention of keeping God's Law/Commandments, all of which are SPIRITUAL (for spiritual-Beings).

1 John 2:1-5
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Though v. 44 makes "below" sound more like Tartarus: the Abyss, where the angels He charged with folly (perverseness) await the judgment.
Job 4:18 | Jude 1:6
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You gotta be jiving us boy.. :D
Christians don't do 'scared' or 'afraid' because they've got zilch to be scared about !
Reincarnationists on the other hand can't face the prospect of dying, so they like to think they'll keep coming back over and over like characters who get killed in video games..:)
Why then do so many "Christians" turn to the physicians/witch-doctors instead of God when their body gets sick?

In the past 3 years or so, there have been hundreds of millions of "Christians" who were so terrified of some so-called virus, that has never been proven to exist, that they allowed people they don't know to inject them with a substance (poison) they know absolutely nothing about.
 
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