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Thanks for your reply. Where/who do you think the true Muslims are, who haven't compromised their Islam?
if they're an average person but just honest in their intent, then it's more of a slow burn to destruction but certainly they arent going to be free from trials and tribulations
or they are straight up being massacred or in deep poverty.

one thing i know for sure, none of the sheikhs in the west are true muslims, esp if they are from muslim countries..because it implies they cared so much about the wellbeing of islam, they thought 'lets go to the west where a few million muslims reside..and forget about the other near 2billion who actually need us more'
we're all human and i can get it if they do it for financial reasons, but that does mean they arent true to islam and are about their own self.

apart from that.
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "There will come a time when the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take to the tops of mountains and the places of rainfall so as to flee with his religion from the afflictions.
 






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the point in that hadith being that the true muslims arent going to be public figures living in this mess, they're going to be away from it all, or part of it and suffering
they wont be 'part of it and thriving' that's for sure..
 






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if they're an average person but just honest in their intent, then it's more of a slow burn to destruction but certainly they arent going to be free from trials and tribulations
or they are straight up being massacred or in deep poverty.

one thing i know for sure, none of the sheikhs in the west are true muslims, esp if they are from muslim countries..because it implies they cared so much about the wellbeing of islam, they thought 'lets go to the west where a few million muslims reside..and forget about the other near 2billion who actually need us more'
we're all human and i can get it if they do it for financial reasons, but that does mean they arent true to islam and are about their own self.

apart from that.
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "There will come a time when the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take to the tops of mountains and the places of rainfall so as to flee with his religion from the afflictions.
There's good and bad in everything. Take the good and leave the evil. There are many who haven't sold out. I see true Islam/fitrah in people everyday, especially online and in dawah. Its difficult trying to navigate the landmines, but you always meet people who are true to Islam, and will never compromise it. When you truly surrender to Islam, no matter the corrupting influences, you're always aware that its the highest ideal that you could possibly try to live up to, even thought you might fail a lot in trying to achieve it. But Allah is always accepting of repentance, and will see through us, whether we're sincere, or we're just trying to please people. Its like the ayah in Surah Najm (ayah 32):
Those who avoid the major sins and immoralities, only [committing] slight ones. Indeed, your Lord is vast in forgiveness. He was most knowing of you when He produced you from the earth and when you were fetuses in the wombs of your mothers. So do not claim yourselves to be pure; He is most knowing of who fears Him.
 






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the point in that hadith being that the true muslims arent going to be public figures living in this mess, they're going to be away from it all, or part of it and suffering
they wont be 'part of it and thriving' that's for sure..
The truth is you'll never be able to get away from it. You can't shut yourself up in a monastery and pretend that the outside world's problems, no matter how messed up, aren't our problems too.

Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?
We did test those before them, and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false.
Do those who practise evil think that they will get the better of Us? Evil is their judgment!
For those whose hopes are in the meeting with Allah (in the Hereafter, let them strive); for the term (appointed) by Allah is surely coming and He hears and knows (all things).

And if any strive (with might and main), they do so for their own souls: for Allah is free of all needs from all creation.
[29:2-6]

God doesn't need us. Whether we believe or we disbelieve will not take away any his majesty and power. It is us humans that need Allah. If we compromise our ideals, we will surely be disgraced in this world, and in the hereafter. But if we refuse to cede any ground, we will succeed, and God will never let any of our effort go to waste. We've got to fix ourselves, and set our own houses in order first, before we can criticise the world. We can't champion Islam as the true religion, and forget to practice it ourselves. In many ways, it is we that are the problem. We have to fix ourselves up before we can fix anything else.
 






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The truth is you'll never be able to get away from it. You can't shut yourself up in a monastery and pretend that the outside world's problems, no matter how messed up, aren't our problems too.

Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?
We did test those before them, and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false.
Do those who practise evil think that they will get the better of Us? Evil is their judgment!
For those whose hopes are in the meeting with Allah (in the Hereafter, let them strive); for the term (appointed) by Allah is surely coming and He hears and knows (all things).

And if any strive (with might and main), they do so for their own souls: for Allah is free of all needs from all creation.
[29:2-6]

God doesn't need us. Whether we believe or we disbelieve will not take away any his majesty and power. It is us humans that need Allah. If we compromise our ideals, we will surely be disgraced in this world, and in the hereafter. But if we refuse to cede any ground, we will succeed, and God will never let any of our effort go to waste. We've got to fix ourselves, and set our own houses in order first, before we can criticise the world. We can't champion Islam as the true religion, and forget to practice it ourselves. In many ways, it is we that are the problem. We have to fix ourselves up before we can fix anything else.
Allah will never change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves
13:11
 






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you sound like a good guy, but really really naive at this point bro.
not that i know you..but you do sound very naive.

1)
did the prophet SAW mean what he said when he spoke about people inviting others to the gates of hell? he wasnt on about some imaginary character lurking in an underworld somewhere
he was literally on about the world right in front of us, the groups, the sects, the nationalists etc.

im telling you these groups on the highest levels are under the control of iblees
otherwise, no way would the prophet SAW say 'they're going to hell' so easily. they are demonic to the core..and it is by using the good nature of muslim trust in each other, to really get 'inside' peoples heads.

it's real and happening, im not exaggerating.

dont tell me about how you know good people...doesnt mean anything concerning this topic
the average joe is bound to be generally decent..
but easily corruptable..
im on about a higher level of influence than joe public.


2)
the hadith i shared
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "There will come a time when the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take to the tops of mountains and the places of rainfall so as to flee with his religion from the afflictions.

there are several hadith, the prophet SAW always advised people to get away from afflictions
and you're like 'nah, you cant just go hide in a monestary'

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will come tribulations in which one sitting will be better than one standing. The one standing will be better than one walking. The one walking will be better than one running. Whoever seeks these tribulations will be destroyed by them. Whoever finds a place of shelter or refuge, let him take refuge in it.
Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6670, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2886


It has been narrated on the authority of Umar b. al-Khattab that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: (The value of) an action depends on the intention behind it. A man will be rewarded only for what he intended. The emigration of one who emigrates for the sake of Allah and His Messenger (may peace be upon him) is for the sake of Allah and His Messenger (may peace be upon him) ; and the emigration of one who emigrates for gaining a worldly advantage or for marrying a woman is for what he has emigrated. (Book #020, Hadith #4692)



the prophet SAW said 'flee with his religion'

the test IS in our choice itself
and dealing with the consequences

tell me bro, serious talk no bsing
if you have a son and he becomes a trans girl...

then i suppose you can tell yourself
"Allah said He will test me"

and when you die and your questioned on why you let your son 'turn' you'll say "you tested me God"
you'll be told "you didnt need to raise your kid there, in that place"

that's not to say they're any more safe in a 'muslim country'
but they are def places you can raise them that will be better than where you are right now..

keeping in mind that was my response to your question on 'good muslims', my take was
'Yes, there are real good muslims but they arent amongst us'


your response was "i know lots of good honest muslims"
sure u do lol. how would you know?
 






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btw im not mocking you on the last bit
im not mocking your experiences of muslims, i dont know where you live/come from, but i have seen too much in my life to know DTA
im certain there are good muslims in this world, but my take is they must be 'unknown'
you might wonder 'what influence do they have and why do they matter?'
but it could be they are raising children who will grow up to become influential in the right time
it could well be that these people have powerful minds and are influencing/helping on a mental/subconscious collective level.

one of my beliefs/views is that before Isa AS came, the philosophers were the ones who developed the ideas he represented.
even monothiesm was developed by philosophers before it became a reality through religion.
With Isa AS, the greeks, persians, hindus and egyptians shared in various concepts, the main one being the 'universal consciousness'and the idea that there is an incarnation of the UC in the world, in a chosen vehicle.
this concept had no place in the old testament..
it was taken by hellenised jews like Philo, developed into a judaic messianic concept and then due to the collective belief of people at the time, it materialised literally.

i dont count out the 'thinkers' at all, they have influence on a deeper level. they plant the seeds that produce fruit later.
but it goes without saying the depth of a thinker on the metaphysical level, does depend on their level of consciousness and within that only a person of immense qualities can conquer the inner dimensions or get to a high enough level to be a positive influence. Those are levels iblees cannot reach either. Hence no matter what the evil side plan, there are things they have no control over.
in this case, there are people in this world who themselves are products/fruit of seeds planted before who have a purpose..but we know nothing of them personally.
even if there was an awliya amongst you, you would not know him..
that's my take, when i say 'they arent amongst us' what i mean is they arent public figures.

i have known good muslims in the public sphere, but they arent much use, they're good, but limited and weak. they're good, but when they are challenged with knowledge of evil from people in their circle, they willfully play ignorant. these 'type' of people exist and you think they're good but i say 'you dont know them' ie you havent tested their mettle yet.
there are many who choose the lowest entropy path as it fits them..they will pretend/feign ignorance as it suits them and make an easy cop out excuse.
there was only one imam i knew, an Alim, who i kept on talking to about what i knew..
and he kept on ignoring me
bro..
he ignored me for 10 yrs straight until my thought materialised and he himself was turfed out of the group he belonged to when he witnessed something incredibly evil from higher ups (im not giving you details as this was something not of this world).
long story short..he died pretty sad...broken, hurt etc.
in that situation, he was finally shaken and saw the truth and suffered for what he knew..
prior to that, when i was telling him, he didnt want to know, he wanted to be the public figure he was.

he was a good guy still, but im certain he'll be questioned on why he chose to be wilfully ignorant and continue moving in the circles he was in, of higher ups, sheikhs, other alims...in a sense enabling/legitimising their evil because he didnt wish to open that can of worms.
i guess because he was too deep into it, he didnt want to get out until he was given no choice.

its something i had imagined, prayed for etc..there was a time, all i cared for was that the imam knows what i know..and he acknowledges it...because me and him used to be close prior to that, but then he lost my respect.
 






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Xianjiang province is the westernmost part of China and so is the CCP's gateway to Central Asia. As part of the 'Belt and Road Initiative' (BRI), China offers to build powerplants, railways, highways, gas pipelines, seaports, mines and refineries for other countries, many of which were once on the route of the ancient Silk Road. Every project in each country is one part of a bigger initiative for Chinese trade, intended to increase Chinese political and economic influence across Asia and Europe, which could rival American influence. For instance, China has funded a $62 billion railway/highway corridor through Pakistan that has meant it has been able to transport oil and gas from the Middle East more directly. It also has control of a string of seaports in the Indian Ocean that means it can guard shipping routes in that area. See map below:
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But as China's growth increases, so too does its need for resources, in particular from the energy-rich Xianjiang, which accounts for 40% of China's coal reserves, 20% of its oil and gas, and 20% of its potential for wind energy production. Over the past century, the threat of Uyghur separatism has meant that China has not been able to establish strong control there. Their attempt to suppress the Uyghur influence and to strip away their identity by taking away their children, punishing them for speaking their language, stopping them practising Islam, and indoctrinating them with CCP propaganda, are the ways in which China intends to establish more solid control in Xianjiang. If they allow the Uyghurs to become united (both Islamically and culturally), and to try to establish their own ethnic state, China will no longer have control of important natural resources, and will lose the potential to expand their influence into Central and South Asia. By contrast, the Hui Muslims do not belong exclusively to Xianjiang, but are more scattered across the other northwestern Chinese provinces. The Hui also do not agitate for the establishment of their own state as the Uyghurs do, and so are less of a threat to the CCP. Their language and culture are more closely aligned with that of the Han Chinese majority, they are perceived as less different than the Uyghurs, who have their own distinct culture, language and dress. As a result, they do not experience the level of suppression that the Uyghurs do, though they are certainly not free from harassment: their mosques are often targeted, and they are discouraged from practising Islam. Islam is portrayed by the atheist, communist, totalitarian CCP as an ideological threat: they often paint their suppression of Uyghurs and Muslims as merely being part anti-radicalisation/anti-extremism measures.

This video is helpful:
Well you basically answered yourself, not to defend China, but when western countries and "international" bodies express concern over any religious group, you should know they're extremists. Not a pip about Yemen, Myanmar, Pakistan (Kashmir in particular) and India, the way KSA treats Hajj pilgrims every once in a while, no impactful action about Palestine, heck even some Hui concerns, not to mention non Muslims like the Jewish Lev Tahor and Christian Amish, yet suddenly they care about Uyghurs? Uyghurs are to China what Chechenese are to Russia.
 






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It's been my understanding that China is also the blueprint for the NWO Global Government. I earnestly believe that this type of thing will be global after their "Great Reset" that the Plandemic is bringing in runs its course in 2025 or so.
 






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...this is also why I believe that the Muslim world will be a thorn in the side of the Illuminati; they are the only real obstacle I see left for these demonic bastards. The West has been completely infiltrated to the root by these snakes, it's not going to save anyone. I'm not trying to derail the thread here, merely state that these same Muslims that China are persecuting will probably be their downfall.

Most Muslims online hate me, which is a real shame. My Faith is very close to theirs, and I have a great many Muslim friends in RL. I nearly moved to Jordan rather than Mexico, but I know what's going to happen there.

If the Muslims unite globally, they can put a stop to this shit quickly. The problem is that places like Saudi Arabia are still being manipulated by the Illuminati.

Ultimately I believe that Muslims will, at least for a time, overcome the Illuminati NWO One World Government. The Illuminati know this too, which is why they have continually been trying to pit Christians & Jews against the Muslims and vice-versa. If we came together against these Snakes, China would be history in a matter of weeks, and this persecution would stop.
 






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We do not worship a moon God.

The night, the day, the sun, the moon, are only a few of His signs. Do not bow down in worship to the sun or the moon, but bow down to God who created them, if it is truly Him that you worship.
Quran 41:37
You don't know who you worship. Therein lies the problem.
 






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pescatarian09 deleted his post, (wonder why???) :

We do not worship a moon God.
The night, the day, the sun, the moon, are only a few of His signs. Do not bow down in worship to the sun or the moon, but bow down to God who created them, if it is truly Him that you worship.
Quran 41:37


but here's my response to it:

"Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, "Rise up yourself, and fall on us; for as the man, so is his strength." So Gideon arose and killed Zebah and Zalmunna, and took the crescent ornaments which were on their camels' necks."
- Judges 8:21
 






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pescatarian09 deleted his post, (wonder why???) :

We do not worship a moon God.
The night, the day, the sun, the moon, are only a few of His signs. Do not bow down in worship to the sun or the moon, but bow down to God who created them, if it is truly Him that you worship.
Quran 41:37


but here's my response to it:

"Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, "Rise up yourself, and fall on us; for as the man, so is his strength." So Gideon arose and killed Zebah and Zalmunna, and took the crescent ornaments which were on their camels' necks."
- Judges 8:21
The crescent is not a symbol of Islam. That is a Seljuk Turk innovation. Islam has no symbols.
 






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Oh, and pescatarian09 please stop trying to derail the thread, and then blame it on me like Tempy has been doing. The discussion was about Uyghur and persecution of Muslims.
 






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We do know we worship Allah. That's the first thing we learn in this religion. The concept of the Creator.

But I do agree that there are too many fractions and too little unity in this world. Even in the inside of religions teaching, we are taught to hate and dismiss those who are different from us, even if we are the same faith.

And I do believe if Islam and Christians are united, is something that NWO will fear to the greatest. That's why they try to separate us, creating tension of ANYTHING.
 






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And then they started worshiping them.
Yes some did, but not nearly as much as some others did some of the people, from which they were supposed to learn to worship God.

And I do believe if Islam and Christians are united, is something that NWO will fear to the greatest. That's why they try to separate us, creating tension of ANYTHING.
And actual Jews, some which are a big thorn in the zionists' side.
 






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