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No, I don't think so, according to prophesy experts this event is prior to the appearance of the anti-christ
Re‬velation 20:7-8‬ ‭
When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.​
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Can it be that Gog and Magog will attack twice, once before the millennium and once after?
 





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Re‬velation 20:7-8‬ ‭​

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.​
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Can it be that Gog and Magog will attack twice, once before the millennium and once after?
I think the difference is that Gog and Magog (with Satan) in Rev. 20 will fight against Jesus Christ after the millennium, while the Gog and Magog in Ezek. 38 lead the countries who will invade Israel (the nation) for the purpose of plundering and looting Israel's resources (some say for oil as Israel just recently found a very rich oilfield within its territory).

7 “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]” - Ezekiel 38:7-12
 





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"Baghdad is a pit stop on the road to Damascus, and Sanaa is a pit stop on the road to Tehran. But, according to the Clean Breakers, Damascus and Tehran are themselves merely pit stops on the road to Beirut."

None of the accusations against Israel bear up against scrutiny? Yeah the New Yorker article from 2007, just another detailed description of a US/Israeli military operation coming to fruition 13 years later that people ignore.
From the Wikipedia entry on the Clean Break Report:

Brian Whitaker reported in a September 2002 article [5] published in The Guardian that "With several of the Clean Break paper's authors now holding key positions in Washington, the plan for Israel to transcend its foes by reshaping the Middle East looks a good deal more achievable today than it did in 1996. Americans may even be persuaded to give up their lives to achieve it."

It’s the same Brian Whitaker who wrote an exposé on MEMRI that Serveto linked to.
I am willing to consider what these guys publish, and sometimes watch their videos, but I also keep even dated reports on them, as an informational source, fully in mind ...

"Selective Memri

Brian Whitaker investigates whether the 'independent' media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems ...
... The co-founder and president of Memri, and the registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon.
Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence
...
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The Guardian
MEMRI’s co-founder was a Clean Breaker, Meyrav Wurmser. Set up to “inform” non-Muslim/Arab audiences about the Middle East. While his article doesn’t bear the list, MEMRI’s board of advisors is an interesting list, to say the least.

As Brian says, its important to ask now if Americans can be persuaded to give their lives for this “project”. When Bolton calmly says “we are sending 120,000 troops to the ME”, it stands to reason that this is the sacrifice that many families are making and what do they have to show for it? What do they get out of “defending” Israel to the death?

I finally came around and watched the film, Syriana, which I think remains an important film in regard to geopolitics.

"The film's title is suggested to derive from the hypothesized Pax Syriana, as an allusion to the necessary state of peace between Syria and the U.S. as it relates to the oil business. In a December 2005 interview, Baer told NPR that the title is a metaphor for foreign intervention in the Middle East, referring to post-World War I think tank strategic studies for the creation of an artificial state (such as Iraq, created from elements of the former Ottoman Empire) that ensured continued western access to crude oil.[15]

The movie's website states that "‘Syriana’ is a real term used by Washington think-tanks to describe a hypothetical reshaping of the Middle East."[16] Gaghan said he saw Syriana as "a great word that could stand for man's perpetual hope of remaking any geographic region to suit his own needs."[17] The word Syriana derives from Syria + the Latin suffix -ana; it means, roughly, "in the manner of Syria." Historically, Syria refers not to the state that since 1944 has borne the name, but to a more extensive land stretching from the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea to the middle Euphrates River and the western edge of the desert steppe, and from the Tauric system of mountains in the north to the edge of the Sinai desert in the south. This land was part of the Fertile Crescent, and has historically been a geopolitically crucial junction for trade routes from the east, from Asia Minor and the Aegean, and from Egypt, and has long been a focus of great power conflicts."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana#Title

Doesn't that read like the map Thunderian posted earlier?
No, I don't think so, according to prophesy experts this event is prior to the appearance of the anti-christ

I know there are Missler fans on here, no offence. Some of the things we've been raised to believe come out of/are seized upon by the bowels of the Pentagon for geopolitical ends.
 





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I think the difference is that Gog and Magog (with Satan) in Rev. 20 will fight against Jesus Christ after the millennium, while the Gog and Magog in Ezek. 38 lead the countries who will invade Israel (the nation) for the purpose of plundering and looting Israel's resources (some say for oil as Israel just recently found a very rich oilfield within its territory).

7 “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm;
10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]” - Ezekiel 38:7-12
Have they recovered from war? They are always at war or in preparation for it and they don’t all live in safety, not when the people’s all around them want to wipe them off the face of the earth and the palestinians want to kill them.

Verse 9 seems to go with Revelation‬ ‭20:8‬ ‭
“Will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.”
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Are they a peaceful and unsuspecting people? They all have to serve in the army early in their lives and they always have the palestinians trying to kill them or ruin the land with bombs or tires on fire, lit balloons. How about the tunnels into Israel?

Parts of those verses seem like they could be talking about now and then again it seems like it agrees with Revelation 20, which is why I asked if they would attack twice. Then you actually have Gog and Magog named in Revelation 20, which is really hard, at least for me to explain away that nope the Bible doesn’t mean then.
 





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From the Wikipedia entry on the Clean Break Report:

Brian Whitaker reported in a September 2002 article [5] published in The Guardian that "With several of the Clean Break paper's authors now holding key positions in Washington, the plan for Israel to transcend its foes by reshaping the Middle East looks a good deal more achievable today than it did in 1996. Americans may even be persuaded to give up their lives to achieve it."

It’s the same Brian Whitaker who wrote an exposé on MEMRI that Serveto linked to.


MEMRI’s co-founder was a Clean Breaker, Meyrav Wurmser. Set up to “inform” non-Muslim/Arab audiences about the Middle East. While his article doesn’t bear the list, MEMRI’s board of advisors is an interesting list, to say the least.

As Brian says, its important to ask now if Americans can be persuaded to give their lives for this “project”. When Bolton calmly says “we are sending 120,000 troops to the ME”, it stands to reason that this is the sacrifice that many families are making and what do they have to show for it? What do they get out of “defending” Israel to the death?

I finally came around and watched the film, Syriana, which I think remains an important film in regard to geopolitics.

"The film's title is suggested to derive from the hypothesized Pax Syriana, as an allusion to the necessary state of peace between Syria and the U.S. as it relates to the oil business. In a December 2005 interview, Baer told NPR that the title is a metaphor for foreign intervention in the Middle East, referring to post-World War I think tank strategic studies for the creation of an artificial state (such as Iraq, created from elements of the former Ottoman Empire) that ensured continued western access to crude oil.[15]

The movie's website states that "‘Syriana’ is a real term used by Washington think-tanks to describe a hypothetical reshaping of the Middle East."[16] Gaghan said he saw Syriana as "a great word that could stand for man's perpetual hope of remaking any geographic region to suit his own needs."[17] The word Syriana derives from Syria + the Latin suffix -ana; it means, roughly, "in the manner of Syria." Historically, Syria refers not to the state that since 1944 has borne the name, but to a more extensive land stretching from the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea to the middle Euphrates River and the western edge of the desert steppe, and from the Tauric system of mountains in the north to the edge of the Sinai desert in the south. This land was part of the Fertile Crescent, and has historically been a geopolitically crucial junction for trade routes from the east, from Asia Minor and the Aegean, and from Egypt, and has long been a focus of great power conflicts."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana#Title

Doesn't that read like the map Thunderian posted earlier?

I know there are Missler fans on here, no offence. Some of the things we've been raised to believe come out of/are seized upon by the bowels of the Pentagon for geopolitical ends.
Great post!

I've visited MEMRI and could tell right away something was off. Their graphics are weird and the material is obvious propaganda.

I think I actually watched Syriana almost 15 years ago. My memory of it is vague. Probably went over my head but will probably have more meaning now.

For sure the fertile crescent is an immeasurably rich region, just like the Nile valley. It's no wonder a certain group of Europeans have pined for centuries to get their hands on it. I laugh every day at the claim their "holy books" give them the right to annex territory that other people have lived in for 10's of thousands of years; that they are the sole descendants of this mythic kingdom. Sure...

An interesting side note from the "fertile crescent" wiki:

"The evidence which does exist suggests that by the third millennium BCE and into the second, several language groups already existed in the region. These included:

Northeast Caucasian languages. Possibly including Hurro-Urartian languages, a small branch possibly also related to the Kassite language spoken in the Northern part of the region.

Proto-Euphratean language – a non-Semitic language considered to be the substratum language of the people that introduced farming into Southern Iraq in the Early Ubaid period (5300–4700 BC).

Sumerian – a non-Semitic language which displays a Sprachbund-type relationship with neighbouring Akkadian

Semitic languages – Akkadian, Amorite, Aramaic, Ugaritic, Canaanite.

Hattic – a language isolate, spoken originally in central Anatolia.

Indo-European languages – generally believed to be later intrusive languages, such as Hittite and the Indo-Aryan material attested in the Mittani civilization."

It's evident by 300BC this fertile little bridge between Africa and Europe became a melting pot of (black and white) tribes. You could say any of these people have "an emotional attachment to the land", especially those who came out of Africa in waves of migrations over 10's of thousands of years. It's my belief we must uphold the UN mandate to respect the country of Israel, but that also implies the boundaries of East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, Gaza, and the West Bank. How do they think they can get away with building a temple on land seized through illegal conquest?


Epic! I wish every American Christian would watch this. Goes into several books about the role the CIA played infiltrating the Evangelicals, and all about the mega-churches that arose from the California "Jesus movement" of the 1970's. I have to watch it again this time to write down books and links. Thanks.
 





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Have they recovered from war? They are always at war or in preparation for it and they don’t all live in safety, not when the people’s all around them want to wipe them off the face of the earth and the palestinians want to kill them.

Verse 9 seems to go with Revelation‬ ‭20:8‬ ‭
“Will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.”
‭‭

Are they a peaceful and unsuspecting people? They all have to serve in the army early in their lives and they always have the palestinians trying to kill them or ruin the land with bombs or tires on fire, lit balloons. How about the tunnels into Israel?

Parts of those verses seem like they could be talking about now and then again it seems like it agrees with Revelation 20, which is why I asked if they would attack twice. Then you actually have Gog and Magog named in Revelation 20, which is really hard, at least for me to explain away that nope the Bible doesn’t mean then.
Perhaps this video could explain it better

 





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Perhaps this video could explain it better

Every clear!

I also find it interesting that video in the post previous to it is put together in precisely the way the MSM firewall questions about true agendas - by picturing lone, unkempt conspiracy theorists in beaten up trailers, with pads of closely written text and walls with photos connected by red string!

It seems to me highly ironic that truthers on a conspiracy forum can’t see when they are being played by spiritual elites. I don’t think many of them would even flinch if if Isaiah 17, Ezekiel 38 or even 1 Thessalonians 4 were suddenly fulfilled.

Within a few days, the line of the elites / Jews / Freemasons / CFR etc did it will be all some people will be talking about. Sad but true!
 





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Ishmael had no claim to the covenant promise made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the son of a bondwoman.


Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
"And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
 





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"And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
Yeah, that’s great, but the Bible is very specific about the inheritance that comes to Abraham’s descendants through Isaac and Jacob. Ishmaelites don’t qualify.
 





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Yeah, that’s great, but the Bible is very specific about the inheritance that comes to Abraham’s descendants through Isaac and Jacob. Ishmaelites don’t qualify.
I understand that the Bible is your final authority, so believe what you will and then when all is revealed we will know if the Ishmaelites qualified or not.

reading your post again, I find it quite strange that even though God Himself says that He will bless Ishmael in your Bible - you nonchalantly brush it off ('yeah, thats great but..') .

Remember God says in your Bible says that He will Bless those who bless Abraham and his descendants ...and Ishmael is one of his descendants. The only group of people I know of who send blessings upon Abraham and his descendants every day, at least five times a day, are the believing Muslims. Thank God for His Blessings, thank God.
 





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reading your post again, I find it quite strange that even though God Himself says that He will bless Ishmael in your Bible - you nonchalantly brush it off ('yeah, thats great but..') .
You’re trying to make it so the Ishmaelites inherit promises that weren’t made to them. I didn’t say they wouldn’t be blessed, just that God didn’t promise them the things he promised to Isaac and Jacob.
 





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You’re trying to make it so the Ishmaelites inherit promises that weren’t made to them.
How could I do that? The Bible is your book not mine.

I know what Islam teaches about God's Prophets, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants.
I see that all the biblical land mentioned in your OP is majority inhabited by the above mentioned prophets' religious and spiritual descendants and Ishmael's physical descendants for thousand + years
I know what Islam teaches about the Final days
and I'm just letting you know my point of view about Abraham's physical descendants inhabiting that land. So keep believing that only Isaac and Jacob's kin will be allowed to live there, but when the end comes we will all know the truth.
 





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How could I do that? The Bible is your book not mine.

I know what Islam teaches about God's Prophets, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants.
I see that all the biblical land mentioned in your OP is majority inhabited by the above mentioned prophets' religious and spiritual descendants and Ishmael's physical descendants for thousand + years
I know what Islam teaches about the Final days
and I'm just letting you know my point of view about Abraham's physical descendants inhabiting that land. So keep believing that only Isaac and Jacob's kin will be allowed to live there, but when the end comes we will all know the truth.
If you don’t accept the Bible, then how can you say it promises anything to anyone? If you do accept it, then you accept that it clearly promises the land to someone other than the Ishmaelites. The passages are noted in this thread, should you care to read them.
 





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Doesn't that read like the map Thunderian posted earlier?
Uncannily, almost miraculously so. But few dare call it a plan. One who did so dare is veteran and leftist Washington journalist, Carl Bernstein, but he acknowledged, to his momentarily gobsmacked fellow panelists, that maybe he could identify it as a plan, or political strategy, only because he is Jewish. In this case, he was only accused of "Bush derangement syndrome," not the considerably more damaging and certainly silencing epithet, antisemitism.

By the way, Syrianna also sounds rather like the map of the old neo-Babylonian Empire, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were a bunch of neo- and mystery-Babylonians, perhaps following prophecies unwritten and unrecorded in our Bible, who are attempting to re-establish their Empire and present -correction, misrepresent- it as Jewish and Messianic.
It seems to me highly ironic that truthers on a conspiracy forum can’t see when they are being played by spiritual elites. I don’t think many of them would even flinch if if Isaiah 17, Ezekiel 38 or even 1 Thessalonians 4 were suddenly fulfilled.

Within a few days, the line of the elites / Jews / Freemasons / CFR etc did it will be all some people will be talking about. Sad but true!
I've repeatedly asked this before, in different words, but what would you have those of us on the opposite side of the ideological divide do, exactly? Should we suspend our disbelief, and call it belief, that a bunch of not exclusively Jewish, by any means, Machiavellian supra-nationalists in the US State Department, the Pentagon, Washington think tanks and elsewhere are doing "God's work" by largely employing America's considerable military machine toward their own geopolitical and even, at times, ethnic ("ultra-national") ends?

Should the rest of the world follow Israel's example, and, as so called "White Zionists" are these days promoting, return Israel to the Jews, Armenia to the Armenians, Germany to the Teutons, France to the Franks, and England to the Angles, Saxon and Jutes? Is that, ultra-nationalism for all nations, the future? If land-rights are given to Jews in the Bible, what about the 70 other nations? Are their borders clearly delineated or are they expected -with help from George Soros and others- to form a deracinated, multicultural polyglot and "open society?"
 





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Uncannily, almost miraculously so. But few dare call it a plan. One who did so dare is veteran and leftist Washington journalist, Carl Bernstein, but he acknowledged, to his momentarily gobsmacked fellow panelists, that maybe he could identify it as a plan, or political strategy, only because he is Jewish. In this case, he was only accused of "Bush derangement syndrome," not the considerably more damaging and certainly silencing epithet, antisemitism.

By the way, Syrianna also sounds rather like the map of the old neo-Babylonian Empire, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were a bunch of neo- and mystery-Babylonians, perhaps following prophecies unwritten and unrecorded in our Bible, who are attempting to re-establish their Empire and present -correction, misrepresent- it as Jewish and Messianic.

I've repeatedly asked this before, in different words, but what, exactly, would you have those of us on the opposite side of the ideological divide do, exactly? Should we suspend our disbelief, and call it belief, that a bunch of not exclusively Jewish, by any means, Machiavellian supra-nationalists in the US State Department, the Pentagon, Washington think tanks and elsewhere are doing "God's work" by largely employing America's considerable military machine toward their own geopolitical and even, at times, ethnic ("ultra-national") ends?

Should the rest of the world follow Israel's example, and, as so called "White Zionists" are these days promoting, return Israel to the Jews, Armenia to the Armenians, Germany to the Teutons, France to the Franks, and England to the Angles, Saxon and Jutes? Is that, ultra-nationalism for all nations, the future? If land-rights are given to Jews in the Bible, what about the 70 other nations? Are their borders clearly delineated or are they expected -with help from George Soros and others- to form a deracinated, multicultural polyglot, and "open society?"
Did God promise that any of these other groups would return, or become a nation again in a day? In the end, my own voice is irrelevant to the question and I defer to the words of Gamaliel:-

"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." —Acts 5:38–39.