Real Story of Manson Murders Would Have Exposed Hollywood Babylon

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Some recent researchers have cast doubt on the real motivation behind the Manson murders.Of course the case has always attracted frenzied speculation but the central thesis that Manson was a deranged cult leader who sent his followers out to kill is generally accepted.This simplistic senario ignores many other elements surrounding Manson and the murders.As Hollywood currently undergoes a series of sordid allegations and claims of cover-ups it's not hard to believe the Manson murders may have been spun in a way to deflect attention from the activities of tinsel towns finest.

An alternative view claims that Manson was primarily a drug dealer,pimp and car thief with connections to organised crime.While carrying on these activities he also pursued a musical career encouraged by among other's Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys.On the verge of being signed to their label Wilson witnessed a violent act from Manson which saw this falling through.This is seen as motivation for the Tate murders.

Manson was bi-sexual and claimed to have had encounters at Hollywood studios with Peter Falk and Robert Conrad among others,while it's also claimed Dennis Wilson was actually in love Manson.Of course it's easy to see why Hollywood would welcome someone like this with open arms as the late 60s saw a culture of kinky sex,drugs and the occult take hold.The Polanski/Tate household was said to be a center for these kind of activities with the statuesque Tate claimed to be some kind of Illuminati Godess.

Though there are differing versions it seem's clear that the murders were connected to drugs with one of the victims,celebrity hairdresser Jay Sebring,referred to as the cocaine dealer to the stars.They were getting more than a shampoo and trim when visiting his Salon.Interestingly Elvis's personal stylist and spiritual guru Larry Geller was a Sebring acolyte.In one version of the events Tex Watson's intention was to rob Sebring of 20.000 dollars of cociane.

After the murders occured Manson is said to have returned to the scene to make it appear like it was the work of Black Panther race warriors.This can be seen as similar to the murder of a wealthy official in the Bahamas by a mafia hitman who partially burned the body and threw chicken feathers around to give it the look of an occult killing(knowing the sensationalism that would follow).The following nights Lo bianca killings again were said to be connected to drugs.In one version an organised crime figure tells Manson to go to their home to locate a black book.

Before police were at the scene it's claimed that Robert Evans,Jack Nicholson and the owner turned up and removed potentially embaressing items from the property.Evans produced Polanski's smash hit Satanic film Rosemary's Baby and had been charged with looking after Sharon Tate while the director was in England.He would have his own brush with notoriety with the Cotton Club killing and would be the subject of a massive cocaine bust.In one book it's hinted that he was a major player in a dangerous occult group.Of course it's because of his activities in the bath of Jack Nicholson's Hollywood home that Polanski was forced to flee Hollywood never to return.

One of the persistent rumours about the Tate house was that various kinds of films were being shot there.Indeed several years later members of the LAPD were found to hawking celebrity porn films that were found in the attic of the house and impounded.This information was supressed while the Helter Skelter angle was played up with information on the debauched lifestyles of some of the biggest celebrities in the film amd music worlds ignored.In the tapes were said to be orgies with the likes of Warren Beatty,Mama Cass,Peter Sellers and Yul Bryner.Indeed one is said to feature Sellers and the former King of Siam having a tryst.

I found all this rather fanciful but googled the two names to find that the actors actually starred in a Hollywood film together that was released in 1969-the same year of the murders."The Magic Christian",as it was called,is a bizarre,little seen project featuring a star studded cast among them Sellers and Ringo Starr.Based on a cult novel it's basically the kind of mess they made back then featuring a string of well known faces making a series of incoherent cameo appearances.Interestingly Yul Bryner's short scene,available for posterity on youtube,see's him in full drag.He sings a dubbed torch song before sashaying up to the bar to attempt the seduction a lone drinker.That lone drinker,as it turns out,happens to be Roman Polanski.
 
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If there is a conspiracy to Manson, and that is IF, it's that it was planned to discredit the 60's rebellion. Either way it worked as Manson was the beginning of the end for the movement.

Edit : Have fun being an intestinal parasite for the next thousand years Charlie Boy.
 

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Some recent researchers have cast doubt on the real motivation behind the Manson murders.Of course the case has always attracted frenzied speculation but the central thesis that Manson was a deranged cult leader who sent his followers out to kill is generally accepted.This simplistic senario ignores many other elements surrounding Manson and the murders.As Hollywood currently undergoes a series of sordid allegations and claims of cover-ups it's not hard to believe the Manson murders may have been spun in a way to deflect attention from the activities of tinsel towns finest.

An alternative view claims that Manson was primarily a drug dealer,pimp and car thief with connections to organised crime.While carrying on these activities he also pursued a musical career encouraged by among other's Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys.On the verge of being signed to their label Wilson witnessed a violent act from Manson which saw this falling through.This is seen as motivation for the Tate murders.

Manson was bi-sexual and claimed to have had encounters at Hollywood studios with Peter Falk and Robert Conrad among others,while it's also claimed Dennis Wilson was actually in love Manson.Of course it's easy to see why Hollywood would welcome someone like this with open arms as the late 60s saw a culture of kinky sex,drugs and the occult take hold.The Polanski/Tate household was said to be a center for these kind of activities with the statuesque Tate claimed to be some kind of Illuminati Godess.

Though there are differing versions it seem's clear that the murders were connected to drugs with one of the victims,celebrity hairdresser Jay Sebring,referred to as the cocaine dealer to the stars.They were getting more than a shampoo and trim when visiting his Salon.Interestingly Elvis's personal stylist and spiritual guru Larry Geller was a Sebring acolyte.In one version of the events Tex Watson's intention was to rob Sebring of 20.000 dollars of cociane.

After the murders occured Manson is said to have returned to the scene to make it appear like it was the work of Black Panther race warriors.This can be seen as similar to the murder of a wealthy official in the Bahamas by a mafia hitman who partially burned the body and threw chicken feathers around to give it the look of an occult killing(knowing the sensationalism that would follow).The following nights Lo bianca killings again were said to be connected to drugs.In one version an organised crime figure tells Manson to go to their home to locate a black book.

Before police were at the scene it's claimed that Robert Evans,Jack Nicholson and the owner turned up and removed potentially embaressing items from the property.Evans produced Polanski's smash hit Satanic film Rosemary's Baby and had been charged with looking after Sharon Tate while the director was in England.He would have his own brush with notoriety with the Cotton Club killing and would be the subject of a massive cocaine bust.In one book it's hinted that he was a major player in a dangerous occult group.Of course it's because of his activities in the bath of Jack Nicholson's Hollywood home that Polanski was forced to flee Hollywood never to return.

One of the persistent rumours about the Tate house was that various kinds of films were being shot there.Indeed several years later members of the LAPD were found to hawking celebrity porn films that were found in the attic of the house and impounded.At this point it's claimed the Manson Cult angel was played up to cover up the debauched lifestyles of some of the biggest celebrities in the film amd music worlds.In the tapes were said to be orgies with the likes of Warren Beatty,Mama Cass,Peter Sellers and Yul Bryner.Indeed one is said to feature Sellers and the former King of Siam having a tryst.

I found all this rather fanciful but googled the two names to find that the actors actually starred in a Hollywood film together that was released in 1969-the same year of the murders."The Magic Christian",as it was called,is a bizarre,little seen project featuring a star studded cast among them Sellers and Ringo Starr.Based on a cult novel it's basically the kind of mess they made back then featuring a string of well known faces making a series of incoherent cameo appearances.Interestingly Yul Bryner's short scene,available for posterity on youtube,see's him in full drag.He sings a dubbed torch song before sashaying up to the bar to attempt the seduction a lone drinker.That lone drinker,as it turned out,happens to be Roman Polanski.

Interesting post. I've heard a few of these things before, like Manson going to the murder sight after the killings before the police got there. I also read something in John Phillip's autobiography about Mama Cass and one of the victims Frykowski. He didn't elaborate but he basically said that Mama Cass and Frykowski hung out and were friends with some very shady people that even he (John Phillips) was uncomfortable around. I wish he had gone into more detail.
 

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Of course the most common conspiracy surrounding the Manson murders is that they were staged to discredit the hippy movement.David Dalton was a writer with Rolling Stone who was sent to interview Manson in prison after the murders.Editor Jann Werner was intending to release an issue with "Manson is Innocent" on the cover to reflect the belief among the counter culture that the events were designed to stitch up their movement.Dalton's visit and consequent time with Manson followers still at liberty,left him shaken enough to entertain the possibility that Charlie might not be quite so innocent after all.The legendary queen of conspiracy Mae Brussel believed the murders were part of something called "Operation Chaos"-she went so far as to claim they were done with such stealth that they were actually carried out by Black Ops rather than drug addled hippies.

Sharon Tate's funeral was a star studded affair with Brynner,Sellers,Beatty etc in attendance.Peter Sellers,it turns out,was a long time occult obsessive with a host of superstitions and insecurities-a prime candidate to gravitate to this crowd.Actress Joanne Petit was a close friend of Tate's and cousin of aformentioned writer Dalton.She told him she believed the motive for the killings was drugs and also that Polanski was in the habit of taking in teenage runnaways and videotaping himself with them.Tate told Petit he would force her to watch these during their own bedroom activities.Petit,strikingly simmilar in looks to Tate,called to the house on the day of the murders with her baby son Damien in order to use the pool.Eerily he would die young himself aged 26 of a heroin overdose.

Maury Terry's classic investigation "The Ultimate Evil" is primarily concerned with the Son of Sam Case though he devotes a chapter to the Manson murders.He believed that drugs was the primary motive though also believing the occult and "Helter Skelter" as contributory factors.He established that Manson was friendly with coffee heiress Abigail Folger-that she had funded him at some point in San Francisco and then withdrawn this support.Terry's informants on the SOS case claimed that Manson volounteered to carry out the killings on behalf of someone else.Indeed some of Manson's jailed followers have since discussed feeling that he would never do something unless he would gain from it and that the ranting about Helter Skelter was simply a way to manipulate his minions.

Terry believed that there was a satanic network called the Children with branches in NY,The Midwest and LA where it had it's HQ.This network was heavily involved in drug dealing and pornography with connections in law enforcement,politics,organised crime and outlaw biker gangs.Though all manner of occult ceremonies were conducted on the appropriate feast days it's hard to assertain what percentage were true believers and how many were involved for the other assorted activities.Regardless many of it's members met a similarly gruesome fate to their victims.One of it's most feared assassins was the man dubbed Manson II by David Berkovitch.This individual was described as an occult superstar who worked as a bodygaurd for high profile musicians in Calafornia and was an associate of Manson himself.Manson II was said to have carried out the horrific ritual murder of Arliss Perry in a Calafornian Church.He was also flown to NY to take part in several SOS killings that were video taped and sold in wealthy circles.Indeed Terry's sources including Berkovitch revealed that many in the group were wealthy professionals.Among them was Roy Radin,millionaire theatre impresario,who's mansion was frequented by members of the cult.Though the book strongly hints at high level involvement of Godfather Producer Robert Evans it stops short of naming him for obvious reasons.

The book correctly named Manson II as one of Roy Radins killers-one of several important details that prove Terry's sources were sound.His real name was revealed to be William Mertzer,former Marine and bodygaurd of Ma Ma Cass Elliot,who was also strongly suspected of being involved in the Zodiac murders.He is currently serving life for helping to lure Radin to his doom in the Calafornian desert where a grisly fate awaited him.Robert Evans was questioned about the murder due to his dealings with Radin on the Cotton Club movie they were financing but pleaded the Fifth and was never charged(though Mertzer claimed on the stand he was carrying out his orders).Interestingly one of Evans scriptwriter buddies wrote in his book how the director once sent him a thank you note which was contained in a rather personal part of a beautiful escorts anatomy-something that looks even more sinister in post Winestein Hollywood.The scriptwriter added that "everything bad you've ever heard about Evan's is true-he's the devil."

When Polanski returned from Europe he suspected that some of his friends and associates may have been involved in the murder of his wife-which gives an indication of the calibre of people he surrounded himself with.Indeed he is quoted as holding a knife to the throat of musician John Phillips and questioning him about it-Polanski had cheated with Philips beautiful wife Michelle so suspected possible revenge as a motive.Some have claimed John Philips,the notorious Wolfman of Hollywood,was a satanist-he was certainly a chronic drug addict with a debauched lifestyle.Recently one of his daughters claimed she had a ten year consensual incestuous relationship with her father which is as good an indication as any of how screwed up those at the center of this are.

Indeed just today the LAPD announced that they have opened a new investigation into Roman Polanski after seven new women came forward to make claims against him.
 
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It most certainly had to do with drugs and definitely had others involved that "called on Charlie" to kill certain people. It's not what others speculate as far as this drug dealer wanted to rob this or that drug dealer... It was the CIA experimenting with LSD in the hippie movement to discredit them as absurd, drug fueled, crazy people and the deep state wanting certain people in Hollywood who was no longer of use and/or knew to much killed. Hollywood and government have always been in bed together and is just now starting to be exposed.
 

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Interesting post. I've heard a few of these things before, like Manson going to the murder sight after the killings before the police got there. I also read something in John Phillip's autobiography about Mama Cass and one of the victims Frykowski. He didn't elaborate but he basically said that Mama Cass and Frykowski hung out and were friends with some very shady people that even he (John Phillips) was uncomfortable around. I wish he had gone into more detail.
John Phillips being uncomfortable with other people... John Phillips, who had a lasting sexual relationship with his own daughter... what a joke !
 

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The funny thing is, Manson did not participate actively in any of those killings. He had killed a person (or so they say),who worked in the ranch where his "Family" had taken place (Shorty Shea was his name ?). But he was not active in these high profile murders - he was supposed to be the mastermind behind them.
 

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It was the CIA experimenting with LSD in the hippie movement to discredit them as absurd, drug fueled, crazy people and the deep state wanting certain people in Hollywood who was no longer of use and/or knew to much killed
^^^That has come to be my take on it.^^^

While not specific to CIA/LSD etc. an interesting book I've been reading is David McCowan's Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream (Head Press, 2013). While Mr. McCowan's (may he RIP) inkings are full of speculation, hearsay, whataboutisms, facts-not-in-evidence facts, and "told-ya-sos" that many readers may find off-putting, I find that it is none-the-less an interesting and enjoyable read.

I ventured my way onto a web site where I believe one may still read his Weird Scenes gratis along with his other musings (I thought his dissection of the Luna conspiracy the deepest sounding I've ever found.) I would put the link but I can't find it ... but if one diligently searches one can find the book in PDF format. If I find the link I had I'll post it, because the moon landing writings were very well done, I thought.

ah, here is a link to the site I mentioned before

 
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