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Sooo.... anyone up on this? I've noticed an uptick in Christian "influencers" posting YouTube videos on The Rapture, and even big names in Western Christianity are jumping on this...
Thoughts?
 






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Rapturists think all Christians are going to vanish off to heaven on judgement day, leaving those left behind looking round in amazement asking "Where'd they go, where'd they go?"
That'd mean that when pilots and drivers of airliners, trains and buses vanish, the planes and vehicles would crash, causing carnage and mayhem.
That's why I personally dismiss the whole Rapture idea as a load of baloney..:)
 






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Rapturists think all Christians are going to vanish off to heaven on judgement day, leaving those left behind looking round in amazement asking "Where'd they go, where'd they go?"
That'd mean that when pilots and drivers of airliners, trains and buses vanish, the planes and vehicles would crash, causing carnage and mayhem.
That's why I personally dismiss the whole Rapture idea as a load of baloney..:)
lol
 






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In Christendom there are many Christians who are dispensationalists and believe in either pre-trib, mid-trib and post-trib. The Bible says Jesus is coming back the second time for the righteous, they'll join Him in the air and go back with Him to heaven and forever be with Him. The purpose for Jesus' return is to take His people to the glorious home He has prepared for them, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also" (John 14:3).

Biblically there is no rapture (this is not a word used in the Bible) of the church before the tribulation. It is not spoken of by the prophets in the Old Testament, it is not spoken of by Christ and the apostles in the New Testament, and it's not written of anywhere in end time prophecy. The Bible is completely silent on the subject because its not going to happen. In fact the Bible makes it clear that the tribulation will happen before Christ comes back and His people are going to be persecuted. He will protect them but the righteous that are alive will be right here on earth during the tribulation. Jesus said in Matthew 24 that His people will be hated of all nations for His name's sake, but he that endures to the the end the same shall be saved.

Also Christ's second coming will not be in two stages where one will be secret and the other seen by all. There is only one second coming, and it will be seen by every living person on earth. There is no scriptural support of a two-phase second coming.

The Bible says when Jesus returns the second time for His people with the angels (Matthew 25:31), "every eye will see Him”, it will be loud and no one will miss it because Christ will return "with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.", graves all over the planet will break open at once, everyone going to heaven will go up together to meet the Lord, etc. The righteous are going to heaven only after Christ returns, not before, the Bible is clear on that.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”
 






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Sooo.... anyone up on this? I've noticed an uptick in Christian "influencers" posting YouTube videos on The Rapture, and even big names in Western Christianity are jumping on this...
Thoughts?
I hazard people will be disappeared/raptured but i don't think Jesus Christ will have anything to do with the disappearances.

Anything is possible in 2020 :)
 






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Rapturism is yet another oddball "vanity cult", they deliberately misinterpret a few bible verses so they can go strutting around with smiles on their faces bigger than waves on a slop bucket saying "We know more than the rest of you poor slobs because we possess secret hidden knowledge"..:)
 






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Rapturism is yet another oddball "vanity cult", they deliberately misinterpret a few bible verses so they can go strutting around with smiles on their faces bigger than waves on a slop bucket saying "We know more than the rest of you poor slobs because we possess secret hidden knowledge"..:)
Why do you keep talking about this when you clearly don’t have the first idea what pretribulation rapture theology actually is?
 






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From: The Top 10 Myths that Dominate Christianity concerning the great tribulation and the unscriptural rapture:-


2. Coming soon(?) to a (military) theatre near you: the Great Tribulation

Christian prophecy today is filled with false prophets and false christs claiming to know the exact day when the great tribulation will begin and when it will end, along with what they think will happen in between. Fortunes have been made writing books and making films on this subject because people are starting to see how bad it's getting and are looking for answers. Unfortunately most are looking in all of the wrong places.

Christ describes the great tribulation in the following way:-

Matthew 24:21-22
24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The great tribulation/oppression is also described in the Book of Daniel:-

Daniel 12:1-4
12:1 And at that time shall Michael [the Archangel] (Eno. 20:5; 36:1; 40:8; 58:1; 59:9; 57:1-2; 70:4; Rev. 12:7; Sura 2:98) stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book [of Life] (Rev. 13:8; 17:8; 20:15; 21:27; Sura 83:20).
12:2 And many of them that sleep in "the dust of the earth" (Gen. 13:16; 28:14) shall awake, some to Everlasting Life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to Righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and "seal" the Book (Rev. 5:1-5), [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and [evil] knowledge (1 Tim. 5:20) shall be increased.

And in the Book of Jeremiah:-

Jeremiah 30:7-11
30:7 Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, [that] I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
30:9 But they shall serve the "I AM" their God, and My Well-Beloved their king, whom I will raise up unto them (Ezek. 21:26-27).
30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O My servant Jacob, saith the "I AM"; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make [him] afraid.
30:11 For I [am] with thee, saith the "I AM", to save thee: though I make a complete end of all nations where I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a complete end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

And we're even told what we need to do to prepare and what will happen when the great tribulation ends:-

Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 1 for the details of the curse).

From these verses we know the following information about the great tribulation from a CERTAIN point of view:

1. it will be the worst oppression ever (Matt. 24:21);
2. God will have to intervene for us to avoid total annihilation (Matt. 24:22);
3. it is aka “the time of Jacob's (Israel's) trouble” (Jer. 30:7);
4. it is punishment for Jacob/Israel not keeping The Law (Jer. 30:11, Mal. 4:4);
5. the Great Prince Michael will be here during it (Dan. 12:1);
6. Christ will be here during it (Jer. 30:9, Mal. 4:2);
7. Elijah the Prophet will be here during it (Mal. 4:5);
8. there will be a great spiritual awakening during it (Dan. 12:2);
9. Judgment Day and The Fire will take place after it (Mal. 4:1, 5); and
10. the truth about it has been sealed up (Dan. 12:4), awaiting Christ's Second Coming (Rev. 5:1-5).

Isn't WHY this is happening just as, if not MORE important than WHEN it will happen?

The reason for the great tribulation is simple: it is a final attempt to awaken true Israel from her spiritual slumber by motivating us to see the total INSANITY of our incessant criminal behavior (which is destroying our planetary life-support system and each other), and give us one last chance to repent of and REFORM our evil ways.

True repentance means to stop doing all of this evil just as true reformation means doing away with everything that is corrupt and wrong. And there is something terribly corrupt and wrong about this country, this world and this way of life, isn't there?

We NEED to recover what was lost, and the first step to recovery is to recognize there is a problem. The problem is, and always has been, that we haven't kept The Law. And until we acknowledge our offense, by changing our evil ways, the great tribulation MUST continue.

Hosea 4:6, 5:15
4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

5:15 I will go [and] return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

The name Israel means “Champion of God”, so even if someone is a racial Israelite, i.e. among the British, Irish and Anglo-Saxon [(I)saac's sons – Saxons Gen. 21:12)] American people, if we aren't keeping and enforcing God's Law, to provide true Liberty and Justice for ALL, then we aren't really Israelites. Not in the true sense of the word.

The great tribulation is NOT some future event; it is happening RIGHT NOW all around YOU. The rapidly expanding police-state, rampant injustice and oppression, and the imminent economic collapse of this totally unsustainable debt-based, consumer throw-away society should have already gotten your attention LONG ago. It is so bad now that WW3 has ALREADY STARTED in Syria and people STILL refuse to see the error of our ways and take personal responsibility for our own actions by remembering and returning to God's Law.

We've been lulled to sleep with modern conveniences and technology, all of which can and likely will be taken away at some point SOON, especially with the upcoming food and water shortages and world wide war. But the fact remains that we have allowed all of this to happen by not keeping The Law, and it will only get worse from here.

Eventually, anyone who wants to survive will have to leave America and the rest of the Israelite countries for the Fortress of the Rock. And regarding any and all of the false prophets claiming to know the Day and hour when this will all end, please be advised that NO ONE on this planet knows that, NOT EVEN CHRIST HIMSELF.

Matthew 24:36 But of That Day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


1. The Rapture: a fool's paradise

Another term that is found nowhere in all of Scripture is “the rapture”. The rapture refers to the theory that “believers” will be caught up in the clouds to meet Christ, at or before His Second Coming (I Thess. 4:16-17).

This hypothesis is largely predicated on references about one being taken and one being left behind (Matt. 24:40), the “dead” being raised and transformed (I Cor. 15:51-53) and being caught up into Paradise (2 Cor. 12:4). It is also accompanied with the standard arrogant Christian claim of knowing they are “saved”, in spite of the fact that Christ said no one has ever gone to heaven except for Him.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

Christ promised that during His Second Coming, He would no longer speak to us in proverbs, but plainly show us of The Father (John 16:25). And we are told that Christ will be here in a new body with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12) to publish the gospel truth to all nations (Mark 13:10) in the form of a “little book” (Rev. 10:7-10) revealing the mystery of God before the end would come.

Christ warned that during His Second Coming, Faith would be at an all-time low (Luke 18:8) and with so many spiritually fast asleep (Dan. 12:2, I Cor. 15:51), hardly anyone would even take notice of Him being here (I Thess. 5:2, II Pet. 3:10, Rev. 16:15). Fewer yet would actually try to listen to and learn from Him thanks to all of the false teachings of organized religion (Matt. 7:13-15, Matt. 24:37-39), and only a small percentage of those select few would stick it out to the end alongside Christ in the upcoming war being planned against Him NOW by Satan's one world government leaders (Rev. 17:14).

All of the above references clearly indicate and require a physical presence; i.e. a Second Coming in the flesh, at a time when it is unexpected, like a thief in the night. We're even told that when Christ has completed His Mission this time to gather the “Elect”, He will shed the human body He's been using and the reaping will begin (Matt. 24:28). It is then that Christ will be seen by everyone coming in the “Clouds”, as His TRUE Spiritual Self, with the heavenly host, to separate the sheep from the goats (Matt. 25:31-46).

Matthew 24:29-30
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with "Clouds"; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and ALL kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Please note well that when everyone sees Christ coming in the “Clouds” it is NOT a happy reunion in mid-air. It specifically states that ALL of the tribes and kindreds of the earth shall mourn and wail. Why?

BECAUSE WHEN EVERYONE SEES CHRIST COMING IN THE CLOUDS WITH THE HEAVENLY HOST TO BEGIN THE REAPING, WE WILL KNOW IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF OUR FATE.
 






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Jesus will not come down to the earth, but will wait for the redeemed in the sky.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Matthew 24:31,
"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [a]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

At the Second Coming, Christ will call forth the dead and send forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they will meet Him in the air. Christ Himself will not come down to the earth—His feet will not touch the earth. He commands His angels, “Gather My saints together to Me, Those who have made a covenant with Me by sacrifice” (Psalm 50:5).
 






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Tidal said- the Rapture idea is baloney.. :p
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The way you understand it, yes.

My understanding is based on simple scripture..:)
When we die we go into a sleep of "suspended animation"-
"Do not grieve for those asleep, for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thess 4:13/14)

Then on judgement day we get a wake-up call-
Jesus said:- "All in the graves shall come out, to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29)

Incidentally those verses also blow the "Second Chance" cultist idea out of the water, because NOBODY gets a second chance to accept Jesus after they die. If they're non-christians at the point of death, for them it's 'game over'.
 






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As regards the end times and judgement day, I don't usually like posting long passages, but the one below is a good road map telling us what to expect..:)
Jesus speaking in Mark ch 13-

"Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many...
Wars and rumors of wars...Nation will rise against nation..Earthquakes...
Famines.... persecutions....And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.
If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive.
But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.

At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.
So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
But in those days, following that distress the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.
I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.
What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!"
 






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@Tidal, exactly. When Jesus returns the second time everyone's case will be decided that is why He will reward everyone according to their work. No one is going to get a second chance after that otherwise it would be pointless rewarding everyone. "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work" (Revelation 22:12).
 






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And here are a couple more verses indicating that death is 'Game Over' with no second chances-

"He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still." (Revelation 22:11)
Nonchristians "will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath" (Revelation 14:10)
 






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From: The Top 10 Myths that Dominate Christianity concerning the great tribulation and the unscriptural rapture:-


2. Coming soon(?) to a (military) theatre near you: the Great Tribulation

Christian prophecy today is filled with false prophets and false christs claiming to know the exact day when the great tribulation will begin and when it will end, along with what they think will happen in between. Fortunes have been made writing books and making films on this subject because people are starting to see how bad it's getting and are looking for answers. Unfortunately most are looking in all of the wrong places.

Christ describes the great tribulation in the following way:-

Matthew 24:21-22
24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The great tribulation/oppression is also described in the Book of Daniel:-

Daniel 12:1-4
12:1 And at that time shall Michael [the Archangel] (Eno. 20:5; 36:1; 40:8; 58:1; 59:9; 57:1-2; 70:4; Rev. 12:7; Sura 2:98) stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book [of Life] (Rev. 13:8; 17:8; 20:15; 21:27; Sura 83:20).
12:2 And many of them that sleep in "the dust of the earth" (Gen. 13:16; 28:14) shall awake, some to Everlasting Life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to Righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and "seal" the Book (Rev. 5:1-5), [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and [evil] knowledge (1 Tim. 5:20) shall be increased.

And in the Book of Jeremiah:-

Jeremiah 30:7-11
30:7 Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, [that] I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
30:9 But they shall serve the "I AM" their God, and My Well-Beloved their king, whom I will raise up unto them (Ezek. 21:26-27).
30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O My servant Jacob, saith the "I AM"; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make [him] afraid.
30:11 For I [am] with thee, saith the "I AM", to save thee: though I make a complete end of all nations where I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a complete end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

And we're even told what we need to do to prepare and what will happen when the great tribulation ends:-

Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 1 for the details of the curse).

From these verses we know the following information about the great tribulation from a CERTAIN point of view:

1. it will be the worst oppression ever (Matt. 24:21);
2. God will have to intervene for us to avoid total annihilation (Matt. 24:22);
3. it is aka “the time of Jacob's (Israel's) trouble” (Jer. 30:7);
4. it is punishment for Jacob/Israel not keeping The Law (Jer. 30:11, Mal. 4:4);
5. the Great Prince Michael will be here during it (Dan. 12:1);
6. Christ will be here during it (Jer. 30:9, Mal. 4:2);
7. Elijah the Prophet will be here during it (Mal. 4:5);
8. there will be a great spiritual awakening during it (Dan. 12:2);
9. Judgment Day and The Fire will take place after it (Mal. 4:1, 5); and
10. the truth about it has been sealed up (Dan. 12:4), awaiting Christ's Second Coming (Rev. 5:1-5).

Isn't WHY this is happening just as, if not MORE important than WHEN it will happen?

The reason for the great tribulation is simple: it is a final attempt to awaken true Israel from her spiritual slumber by motivating us to see the total INSANITY of our incessant criminal behavior (which is destroying our planetary life-support system and each other), and give us one last chance to repent of and REFORM our evil ways.

True repentance means to stop doing all of this evil just as true reformation means doing away with everything that is corrupt and wrong. And there is something terribly corrupt and wrong about this country, this world and this way of life, isn't there?

We NEED to recover what was lost, and the first step to recovery is to recognize there is a problem. The problem is, and always has been, that we haven't kept The Law. And until we acknowledge our offense, by changing our evil ways, the great tribulation MUST continue.

Hosea 4:6, 5:15
4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

5:15 I will go [and] return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

The name Israel means “Champion of God”, so even if someone is a racial Israelite, i.e. among the British, Irish and Anglo-Saxon [(I)saac's sons – Saxons Gen. 21:12)] American people, if we aren't keeping and enforcing God's Law, to provide true Liberty and Justice for ALL, then we aren't really Israelites. Not in the true sense of the word.

The great tribulation is NOT some future event; it is happening RIGHT NOW all around YOU. The rapidly expanding police-state, rampant injustice and oppression, and the imminent economic collapse of this totally unsustainable debt-based, consumer throw-away society should have already gotten your attention LONG ago. It is so bad now that WW3 has ALREADY STARTED in Syria and people STILL refuse to see the error of our ways and take personal responsibility for our own actions by remembering and returning to God's Law.

We've been lulled to sleep with modern conveniences and technology, all of which can and likely will be taken away at some point SOON, especially with the upcoming food and water shortages and world wide war. But the fact remains that we have allowed all of this to happen by not keeping The Law, and it will only get worse from here.

Eventually, anyone who wants to survive will have to leave America and the rest of the Israelite countries for the Fortress of the Rock. And regarding any and all of the false prophets claiming to know the Day and hour when this will all end, please be advised that NO ONE on this planet knows that, NOT EVEN CHRIST HIMSELF.

Matthew 24:36 But of That Day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


1. The Rapture: a fool's paradise

Another term that is found nowhere in all of Scripture is “the rapture”. The rapture refers to the theory that “believers” will be caught up in the clouds to meet Christ, at or before His Second Coming (I Thess. 4:16-17).

This hypothesis is largely predicated on references about one being taken and one being left behind (Matt. 24:40), the “dead” being raised and transformed (I Cor. 15:51-53) and being caught up into Paradise (2 Cor. 12:4). It is also accompanied with the standard arrogant Christian claim of knowing they are “saved”, in spite of the fact that Christ said no one has ever gone to heaven except for Him.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

Christ promised that during His Second Coming, He would no longer speak to us in proverbs, but plainly show us of The Father (John 16:25). And we are told that Christ will be here in a new body with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12) to publish the gospel truth to all nations (Mark 13:10) in the form of a “little book” (Rev. 10:7-10) revealing the mystery of God before the end would come.

Christ warned that during His Second Coming, Faith would be at an all-time low (Luke 18:8) and with so many spiritually fast asleep (Dan. 12:2, I Cor. 15:51), hardly anyone would even take notice of Him being here (I Thess. 5:2, II Pet. 3:10, Rev. 16:15). Fewer yet would actually try to listen to and learn from Him thanks to all of the false teachings of organized religion (Matt. 7:13-15, Matt. 24:37-39), and only a small percentage of those select few would stick it out to the end alongside Christ in the upcoming war being planned against Him NOW by Satan's one world government leaders (Rev. 17:14).

All of the above references clearly indicate and require a physical presence; i.e. a Second Coming in the flesh, at a time when it is unexpected, like a thief in the night. We're even told that when Christ has completed His Mission this time to gather the “Elect”, He will shed the human body He's been using and the reaping will begin (Matt. 24:28). It is then that Christ will be seen by everyone coming in the “Clouds”, as His TRUE Spiritual Self, with the heavenly host, to separate the sheep from the goats (Matt. 25:31-46).

Matthew 24:29-30
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with "Clouds"; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and ALL kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Please note well that when everyone sees Christ coming in the “Clouds” it is NOT a happy reunion in mid-air. It specifically states that ALL of the tribes and kindreds of the earth shall mourn and wail. Why?

BECAUSE WHEN EVERYONE SEES CHRIST COMING IN THE CLOUDS WITH THE HEAVENLY HOST TO BEGIN THE REAPING, WE WILL KNOW IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF OUR FATE.
Thank you!!! Finally someone gets it!
 






TokiEl

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“Gather My saints together to Me, Those who have made a covenant with Me by sacrifice” (Psalm 50:5).
Psalm 50 13Do I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?

14Sacrifice a thank offering to God, and fulfill your vows to the Most High.

15Call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you will honor Me.”


23He who sacrifices a thank offering honors Me, and to him who rights his way,

I will show the salvation of God.”





In the New Testament God does not care for animal sacrifices and grain offerings... but requires charity mercy gratitude righteousness etc etc... all good things which are natural to the elect or chosen ones of God.

Therefore it is the elect who will be taken away at midnight in the last verse of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy.


Matt 20 16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.




And as the shepherde has shown... the 70th week ends in August 2022.
 






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And 666 is the name of Nero... seriously when Jesus returns its going to be an event bigger than we can comprehend. Christ didn’t know the hour and time as he said it would be revealed when he got back home. So how can Daniel know the hour?
 






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And 666 is the name of Nero... seriously when Jesus returns its going to be an event bigger than we can comprehend. Christ didn’t know the hour and time as he said it would be revealed when he got back home. So how can Daniel know the hour?
Are you asking a particular person this question?

I don't know if your comment was for someone in particular but this is what the Bible says about 666, "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666" (Revelation 13:18). In prophecy a beast symbolises a kingdom, government or political power (Daniel 7:23). In Revelation 13 there are two beasts that are written of. The first beast or the beast from the sea (Revelation 13:1-10) persecuted the saints for 1260 years. It spoke great things and blasphemies against God too. These are some of the attributes of the Antichrist. The Antichrist is the papacy. The number is a man’s, but also the Beast’s. Its the number of a man (the ruler of that kingdom), bringing it in line with the “man of sin” recorded in the Scriptures. Its the pope's number.

Daniel did not know the day or the hour when Jesus would return.
 






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