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What kind of legislated fasting do Christians practice?
I could be wrong but i don't think turdmuppet is a Christian. Least the name isn't very... idk, Jesus like? Those who associate themselves with waste are usually godless. Like i said, could be wrong.

I'll share a definition since our intermittent fasting friend seems to like them.
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Do Christians use aliases involving fecal matter? Idk, It would be a first for me.
 






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Can you explain why Muslims in Jeddah, KSA in 2011 are representative of the Muslim population globally and historically?
I was expecting one of you attempt to disavow other Muslims as not "representative of the Muslim population globally" despite always harping on about how Islam is unified and not fragmented like those Christian denominations. However, I will entertain your feigned ignorance and say this study is just one localized example of the global phenomenon of gorging oneself during Ramadan in Islamic countries. Here's another article that deals with the issue more generally, although it cites specific examples.
But iftar — the meal that breaks the fast at sunset — can often become an extravagant affair where an excess of food is prepared and consumed, and food wastage levels can escalate due to a variety of factors ranging from a commercialisation of the holy month to the generosity of hosts who overcook for events.
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Parongpong Waste Management, a recycling centre based in West Java, Indonesia, told the ABC that in Jakarta alone — the capital city of the largest Muslim country in the world — there was an additional 200 tonnes of waste during Ramadan last year.
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Dr Bekim Hasani, who is also Imam of the Albanian Mosque in Carlton, believes culture is the main reason for over-consumption as the community focuses on serving elaborate meals to family and friends as they break the day's fast.

Dr Bekim urged Muslim communities around the world to refine their aims for Ramadan by worshipping God and doing more charities for the less fortunate rather than treating it as "a month of feasting".
Here's an article about how Ramadan goes down in Qatar.
During Ramadan most of the population sleep during the day, with the iftar beginning at sundown: large feasts at which many end up eating so much they need to be taken to hospital casualty wards, with a record high almost 8,000 cases of indigestion recorded at the Hamad Medical Hospital emergency room solely in the first week of Ramadan 2011.
If Jeddah, Jakarta, Hamad, and others are not "representative of the Muslim population globally", I wonder which city or country you would point to as practicing Ramadan as it should be practiced, and provide statistics indicating the opposite trend is true rather than just trying to obfuscate the evidence presented and throwing your Sunni coreligionists under the bus to make a point.

By the way, is the tactic of always interrogating Christianity as a response to an argument, regardless of that person's actual religious beliefs, "representative of the Muslim population globally"? Or is it just your own negligent way of trying to divert criticism?
 






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I was expecting one of you attempt to disavow other Muslims as not "representative of the Muslim population globally" despite always harping on about how Islam is unified and not fragmented like those Christian denominations. However, I will entertain your feigned ignorance and say this study is just one localized example of the global phenomenon of gorging oneself during Ramadan in Islamic countries. Here's another article that deals with the issue more generally, although it cites specific examples.

Here's an article about how Ramadan goes down in Qatar.

If Jeddah, Jakarta, Hamad, and others are not "representative of the Muslim population globally", I wonder which city or country you would point to as practicing Ramadan as it should be practiced, and provide statistics indicating the opposite trend is true rather than just trying to obfuscate the evidence presented and throwing your Sunni coreligionists under the bus to make a point.

By the way, is the tactic of always interrogating Christianity as a response to an argument, regardless of that person's actual religious beliefs, "representative of the Muslim population globally"? Or is it just your own negligent way of trying to divert criticism?
If you fast the way Islam tells you then you will not end up like those people reportedly did.
 






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If you fast the way Islam tells you then you will not end up like those people reportedly did.
I figure it is their understanding that they are performing the Ramadan fast correctly going by the Webster's Dictionary definition of what fasting is. Where are the specifics of how the Iftar is to be observed discussed? I.e. the kinds of food and how much one is allowed to consume?
 






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I figure it is their understanding that they are performing the Ramadan fast correctly going by the Webster's Dictionary definition of what fasting is. Where are the specifics of how the Iftar is to be observed discussed? I.e. the kinds of food and how much one is allowed to consume?
the definition of fast is something and how to fast is something else.

how to fast is explained by the Prophet (pbuh).
 






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The purpose of fasting is to comply with the will of Allah and to thereby attain greater piety. Allah says in the Quran: “O you who believe, fasting has been prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may attain righteousness.” [2:183]

The correct etiquette of eating and drinking is described in the Quran, and in the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

The Quran states: “O children of Adam, dress well for every prayer. Eat and drink, but do not waste, for He does not like the wasteful.” [7:31]

“The son of Adam does not fill any vessel worse than his stomach. It is sufficient for the son of Adam to eat a few mouthfuls, to keep him going. If he must do that (fill his stomach), then let him fill one third with food, one third with drink and one third with air.” [al-Tirmidhi 1381, Ibn Maajah 3349]

Ibn 'Abbas informed Ibn az-Zubayr, "I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'He is not a believer whose stomach is filled while his neighbor goes hungry.'" [Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 112]

Salman reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: Verily, the people who ate to their fill the most in this world will be the hungriest on the Day of Resurrection. [Sunan Ibn Mājah 3351]

Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would spend several nights in a row with an empty stomach and his family would not find anything for dinner. Most of their bread was made from barley. [Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2360]

As Muslims, we hold one another to the standard of the Quran and Sunnah. We give one another sincere advice, and enjoin good and forbid evil. A hadith states: “Abu Huraira said, 'The believer is a mirror to his brother. If he sees something wrong in him, he should correct it.'” [al-Adab al-Mufrad 239] One of the companions, Sufyan al-Thawri, may Allah have mercy on him, said: “No one may enjoin good or forbid evil except for one who has three qualities: gentleness in what he enjoins and forbids, justice in what he enjoins and forbids, and knowledge of what he enjoins and forbids." [al-Amr bil-Maʻrūf lil-Khallāl 1/24]

Here is some more information about the purpose of fasting:

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The purpose of fasting is to comply with the will of Allah and to thereby attain greater piety. Allah says in the Quran: “O you who believe, fasting has been prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may attain righteousness.” [2:183]

The correct etiquette of eating and drinking is described in the Quran, and in the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

The Quran states: “O children of Adam, dress well for every prayer. Eat and drink, but do not waste, for He does not like the wasteful.” [7:31]

“The son of Adam does not fill any vessel worse than his stomach. It is sufficient for the son of Adam to eat a few mouthfuls, to keep him going. If he must do that (fill his stomach), then let him fill one third with food, one third with drink and one third with air.” [al-Tirmidhi 1381, Ibn Maajah 3349]

Ibn 'Abbas informed Ibn az-Zubayr, "I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'He is not a believer whose stomach is filled while his neighbor goes hungry.'" [Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 112]

Salman reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: Verily, the people who ate to their fill the most in this world will be the hungriest on the Day of Resurrection. [Sunan Ibn Mājah 3351]

Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would spend several nights in a row with an empty stomach and his family would not find anything for dinner. Most of their bread was made from barley. [Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2360]

As Muslims, we hold one another to the standard of the Quran and Sunnah. We give one another sincere advice, and enjoin good and forbid evil. A hadith states: “Abu Huraira said, 'The believer is a mirror to his brother. If he sees something wrong in him, he should correct it.'” [al-Adab al-Mufrad 239] One of the companions, Sufyan al-Thawri, may Allah have mercy on him, said: “No one may enjoin good or forbid evil except for one who has three qualities: gentleness in what he enjoins and forbids, justice in what he enjoins and forbids, and knowledge of what he enjoins and forbids." [al-Amr bil-Maʻrūf lil-Khallāl 1/24]

Here is some more information about the purpose of fasting:

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Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever does not give up false statements (i.e. telling lies), and evil deeds, and speaking bad words to others, Allah is not in need of his (fasting) leaving his food and drink."

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ يُونُسَ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَبِي ذِئْبٍ، عَنِ الْمَقْبُرِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ مَنْ لَمْ يَدَعْ قَوْلَ الزُّورِ وَالْعَمَلَ بِهِ وَالْجَهْلَ فَلَيْسَ لِلَّهِ حَاجَةٌ أَنْ يَدَعَ طَعَامَهُ وَشَرَابَهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ أَحْمَدُ أَفْهَمَنِي رَجُلٌ إِسْنَادَهُ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6057
In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 87
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 83
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Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported:
When any one of you gets up in the morning in the state of fasting, he should neither use obscene language nor do any act of ignorance. And if anyone slanders him or quarrels with him, he should say:" I am fasting, I am fasting."

حَدَّثَنِي زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، - رضى الله عنه - رِوَايَةً قَالَ ‏ "‏ إِذَا أَصْبَحَ أَحَدُكُمْ يَوْمًا صَائِمًا فَلاَ يَرْفُثْ وَلاَ يَجْهَلْ فَإِنِ امْرُؤٌ شَاتَمَهُ أَوْ قَاتَلَهُ فَلْيَقُلْ إِنِّي صَائِمٌ إِنِّي صَائِمٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 1151a
In-book reference : Book 13, Hadith 209
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 6, Hadith 2563
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It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“There are people who fast and get nothing from their fast except hunger, and there are those who pray and get nothing from their prayer but a sleepless night.”

حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الْمُبَارَكِ، عَنْ أُسَامَةَ بْنِ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ سَعِيدٍ الْمَقْبُرِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ: قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏ "‏ رُبَّ صَائِمٍ لَيْسَ لَهُ مِنْ صِيَامِهِ إِلاَّ الْجُوعُ. وَرُبَّ قَائِمٍ لَيْسَ لَهُ مِنْ قِيَامِهِ إِلاَّ السَّهَرُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏


Grade: Hasan (Darussalam)
Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 1690
In-book reference : Book 7, Hadith 53
English translation : Vol. 1, Book 7, Hadith 1690


If Jeddah, Jakarta, Hamad, and others are not "representative of the Muslim population globally", I wonder which city or country you would point to as practicing Ramadan as it should be practiced, and provide statistics indicating the opposite trend is true rather than just trying to obfuscate the evidence presented and throwing your Sunni coreligionists under the bus to make a point.
So, if a muslim does not follow the guidance of islam in fasting then he does not define ramadan fast at all, be it the residents of Jeddah, Jakarta, Dubai etc...

also the sentence (Dr Bekim Hasani, who is also Imam of the Albanian Mosque in Carlton, believes culture is the main reason for over-consumption as the community focuses on serving elaborate meals to family and friends as they break the day's fast. ) explains it all.
 






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