Psychoative drugs, fallen angels and aliens

DesertRose

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'm in the midst of fever right now so I'll read that and hopefully come back with a coherent response.
I hope you get better colonel take echinacea, eat garlic and drink lots of tea with honey, lemon, and ginger in it.

@Mr.Anderson I read the article you psted about that religion involving magic and devil worship it is soo sad they are even teaching the guy how to curse others. Plain awful. Thanks for the interesting reads.
 






elsbet

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I've stumbled on this twitter thread today by owen cyclops where he discuss the results of years studying (and using) drugs and connects various points relating the effects of DMT and other drugs on alien/paranormal contacts. Deffinetively worth the read

DMT is notorious for alien sightings and false religious experiences, from what I've read. Someone told me about a friend who tried it, and saw the alien-like beings, who promptly tried to beckon him over the side of a cliff. Fortunately, his friends intervened.

None for me, thanks. :oops:
 






Mr.Anderson

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@DesertRose these kind of stuff is somewhat common here. Virtually everyone have heard about at least the hex where you put someone's name inside a frog mouth and sew it shut. Exús and other spirits are very well known here too, specially where I live in the north-east region of brazil. And even here it is partirculally strong in the Bahia and Maranhão states.

@elsbet before I met my girlfriend it seems that someone had spilled what I believe to be either MDMDA, PCP or GHB into her drink in college (thankfully she nothing of THAT kind happened to her) and she had some terrifying hallucinations where demonic hands where searching for her, she saw herself in a dark place, this kind of stuff with an intense spiritual feel while she was screaming and running around in college. I tought she was "only" tripping but now I do believe that at least some of the stuff she saw had at least something "real" about them, as she honestly tought she would die (and she really could die of cardiac arrest)
 






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@DesertRose these kind of stuff is somewhat common here. Virtually everyone have heard about at least the hex where you put someone's name inside a frog mouth and sew it shut. Exús and other spirits are very well known here too, specially where I live in the north-east region of brazil. And even here it is partirculally strong in the Bahia and Maranhão states.

@elsbet before I met my girlfriend it seems that someone had spilled what I believe to be either MDMDA, PCP or GHB into her drink in college (thankfully she nothing of THAT kind happened to her) and she had some terrifying hallucinations where demonic hands where searching for her, she saw herself in a dark place, this kind of stuff with an intense spiritual feel while she was screaming and running around in college. I tought she was "only" tripping but now I do believe that at least some of the stuff she saw had at least something "real" about them, as she honestly tought she would die (and she really could die of cardiac arrest)

That's frightening, Mr A. Glad she's alright, and suffered no serious injuries. And I agree with you-- there is definitely something real about those experiences. We know so little about the Spirit side of our world, from an objective perspective, that we cant really rule out what seems to be The Unbelievable. Especially since, as you said, someone could "... really could die of cardiac arrest."

Even the bible speaks of this:

Men's hearts failing them for fear,​
and for looking after those things​
which are coming on the earth: for the​
powers of heaven shall be shaken....​
LUKE 21:26
 






JustAMan

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Hey an actual thread for this cool. This phenomena does exist. I have some rather not so glorious experiences with various entities so to speak. Some friendly some well best to explain it...abusive (in it for themselves)
 






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You know the funniest question I ever asked an entity once (who I thought professed to be God...no that's a lie it gave the me the impression it was God. It appeared in my room and sat there just listening to me) was how do you let go of people...I mean their personalities and all that once they die...it could not answer me. It had a sense of profound sadness of the question itself. Given it lied to me (for days) but faced with questions of loss, I actually realised that the dichotomy behind what is considered good vs evil - is not so clear (rather a little grey) - strange lot.

"I'm a million different people from one day to the next" Bitter Sweet Symphony, The Verve
 






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Another rather tragic incident happened once when i was awaken by an awful calamity (that happened to take over my bodily motor functions) and walk me around my flat complex once. It really did not need to do this as I was awfully tired. Cheeky fucker made me get down on one knee and kneel and everything...really? C'mon thou strange being it is one thing to be forcefully woken up in the basement another to be then sat and "cuddled" like an infant. Never did get to the bottom of that one. I asked it if it was on the "good or the bad" side to which I got no answer of course. It just went on its merry way walking me around like a little robot - mothering - don't you hate it.

"I was walking with a ghost,
And I said please, please don't insist" Tegan and Sara
 






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One of the most ironic things about some of the wonderful experiences I have had while conversing with all that is fun in this world is that I hate horror movies. Will not watch em, can't stand blood and gore and all that is horrid on TV. However...give me some loose spirits and look out we have the makings of our own personal gore fest. I mean nothing overly bad has happened. I mean once all my skin peeled off my arms and I could see all my anatomical innards (psshhh). Also my wrists once were cut and bleeding only to then turn into some dastardliness wicked demon hand (long nails and all). Did I mention the snakes...lots of them. One bastard snake even had hold of my crotch (yes while I had to sit there and take it like a man). Shit I had worms coming out of my body, I had thousand and one spirits flying through my walls and to top it off I had the horse races playing in the background (I fucking hate horse races). Did I run? Of course not...I am too damn lazy for that. However it is not all beer and skittle my friends. I in my infinite wisdom decided to accept a challenge - hit a wall until your hand breaks!...you had to start off slow and slowly work up to hitting the wall harder and harder and harder - but alas I tried but the hand would not break...so I was taken and layed down on my bed to commence more wild and wonderful visions (and sex crap but I am not into expose on that).

"God Hates a Coward"" - Tomahawk
 






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@JustAMan have you read the twitter thread? Some of the stuff you talked about are mentioned there. When you called the thing to be either good or bad and it didn't answer. Owen theorizes that for a thing to fall it doesn't need to be "bad", maybe just "idifferent"
 






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@JustAMan have you read the twitter thread? Some of the stuff you talked about are mentioned there. When you called the thing to be either good or bad and it didn't answer. Owen theorizes that for a thing to fall it doesn't need to be "bad", maybe just "idifferent"
I did read this. In my experiences I did see the Alien bodies (but not often). These appeared just as the typical alien grey types but I ignored these as I believed I was being "tricked" into seeing a projection of a form used in modern day culture. I used an enormous amount of mental energy in conversations about what I termed virtual reality with these entities and had very long conversations about the fact (all mental conversations). I had numerous hallucinations some appeared as if I was watching TV while other deeper experiences felt I was actually taken out of my room. Some of the expeirences I had were frightening others were blissful - I believe different entities were responsible for different experiences.

IThere appeared to be a group of entities that were on the outer who were trying to convince others the value of life experience on our level of reality. From the conversations I can summarize some entities exist on a plane of existence that do not require a bodily physical manifestation - they never descend as earthy form. The mob that entered my mental state / body were convincing others to enter my body to explain that what life is all about on this level. Not being funny but they compared to this to "back seat" and "front seat" driving in a car. Does this sound like "possession" - yes and no. The odd thing is one of these groups ( dare not get into calling them angels /demons - kept debating among themselves) have been through a lot of pain and upheaval and their argument was that the "rulers" of the realms above need to inhibit bodies in order to be more empathetic to the mortal realm. They called leaving my body "going home". There was defiantly a political thing going on with this and it deals with coups/exile and the like. Not all is hunk dory in the realms unknown to us. From what I could gather there is great debate about how the world and us as humans fit into the grand scheme of things.

I don't profess to know the exact details as to how it all works but it appears some entities are mere visitors to the the human body for very temporarily (some entities called them vampires) while others stay longer and some are with you for life. I had two (one female, one male) that combined to form a new entity that is with me that is called a combination of their names. Yes they have names (and some are pissed off). I kept asking how can they combine and still keep their original identities as entities and they did not explain this - but it is possible apparently. Only later in my investigations I found out the Gnostics called this process "syzygy" and is the basis of the name of Bowie's "Ziggy" Stardust alter ego character.

"I am a passenger
And I ride and I ride
I ride through the city's backside
I see the stars come out of the sky
Yeah, they're bright in a hollow sky
You know it looks so good tonight"

The Passenger Iggy Pop
 






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elsbet

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Hmm... Dexter's 'dark passenger.' In the books-- not the netflix version.
 






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