I agree it's an important fact that our human ancestors had a connection to these varied plant substances. I certainly have more respect/trust for them than any cursed, man made drugs.Yeah I’m kicking myself a little bit for not putting this thread in the religion section. I also think it has played a larger role in spiritual life than we realize in the present. I was reading about ayahuasca because it is one that is trending along with mushrooms since there are legal routes to taking these in the US at the moment.
there are multiple places that have decriminalized mushrooms and ayahuasca has some religious exemptions.
ayahuasca is all about the spiritual experience and there is this very shamanic vibe to it that is being marketed. It is advertised for the spiritual experience it provides, but this isn’t something that existed in a vacuum. Ayahuasca is dmt which means that the people in Peru just had access to a different source for the same substance that has been used for spiritual reasons throughout the world.
dmt is a somewhat common plant. https://tripsitter.com/plants-that-contain-dmt/
it can’t be coincidence that so many spiritual groups have been using this substance for thousands of years with the same result.
I really think it is a good thing happening among the chaos at the moment. I’m glad that you had a good experience with it @STARMAN
What i should have phrased i have done LSD SHROOMS Some others but i don't have as good a background on the health benefits of them. I have an extensive knowledge base about Marijuana, but not other psychoactives. So that would be of interest.Marijuana is a mild psychedelic drug that can get you to level 2 on the Leary scale.
Psilocybin is a moderate to strong psychedelic drug that at low doses can get you to level 2 up to potentially a level 5 experience.
5 Levels of Psychedelic Experience
The very nature of the psychedelic experience makes it difficult, if not impossible, to put into words. We can try to describe its qualities, such as enlightening, twisted, or sacred, but what we actually go through is beyond the capability of our words. It‘s not just because we don‘t have...ultratribe.com
yeah it’s not legal in the us on its own but people have gotten approval to use ayahuasca for spiritual reasons. They are usually called some kind of Native American church which isn’t really accurate since it is historic to Peru, but it makes sense that it is classified differently or that lsd doesn’t have religious exemption since there is the whole puking your guts your guts out expectation that can be considered a deterrent from excessive use. It is not something that you could use regularly unless you like to puke regularly.DMT might be the fastest growing psychedelic drug out there, getting attention from the likes of Joe Rogan to more conventional academic types.
I’ve never tried it, too fast acting if smoked and I don’t like the dissociative effects that it has.
Ayahuasca is considered the “holy grail” of psychedelic experiences and I would consider DMT in that route.
I wasn’t aware that the US had any places to do it, but I know it’s now a tourist thing to many South American countries now.
There is a place in Arizona ( affiliated with LDS of all people ) that allows legal peyote trips under 1st amendment protections. I’ve always wanted to try that.
Denver and Oregon decriminalized mushrooms, I think Oregon decriminalized all drug use actually.
It’s good and I’m glad to see psychedelic research being taken up again, there are numerous universities, including Berkeley doing studies and there are dozens of companies doing authorized research.
The potential here is huge, if it’s not blocked by corporate interest these can potentially replace SSRI’s and change psychiatric treatment. Would be revolutionary and save lives.
It’s fascinating that all tribal cultures have a variation of a psychedelic drug. All religions stem from earlier shamanic practices so to me I believe the concept of religion goes hand in hand with altered states from these substances.
At some point along our path as a species, someone ate something, a mushroom, a dmt plant, a cactus or a rye mold and things were never the same.
that documentary clip is fascinating. I had not heard of that but I would be interested to look into that more. Singing seems like the perfect activity to engage in while taking it. Stretch the spiritual side with song and ayahuasca.I agree it's an important fact that our human ancestors had a connection to these varied plant substances. I certainly have more respect/trust for them than any cursed, man made drugs.
If you search there are a handful of older threads here at the forum with some interesting comments.
Syrian rue is another plant that has a long history of use throughout the Middle East and Africa. While not containing DMT, it is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor that allows DMT to be active orally (same as the Banisteriopsis caapi in ayahuasca). I think the wiki page is good and leads to a number of topics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N,N-Dimethyltryptamine
The Nexus is a fascinating website. There's actually a thread on Syrian rue there: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/
Have you seen the natgeo documentary on the Brazilian Church Santo Daime? I'm sure there are better videos but I was going to post it in another thread as it raises a lot of questions:
I don’t know very much about the chemical benefits of taking psychedelics. This is more or less my personal take from a couple of direct experiences in the past.What i should have phrased i have done LSD SHROOMS Some others but i don't have as good a background on the health benefits of them. I have an extensive knowledge base about Marijuana, but not other psychoactives. So that would be of interest.
The ´masses´aren´t grown up enough to deal with the Illuminati threat; are they grown up enough to use drugs? I suspect drugs are useful but it´s a dangerous thing to go experimenting with.what do you think?
thank you for your thoughts. What do you think would be the best approach to encourage maturation of the masses so that they would be able to deal with the Illuminati threat?The ´masses´aren´t grown up enough to deal with the Illuminati threat; are they grown up enough to use drugs? I suspect drugs are useful but it´s a dangerous thing to go experimenting with.