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You used the Nazi genocide of the Jews as a rhetorical device to score a cheap point and thus trivialized something I take very seriously. As for your statement, it was my fathers, and a few uncles, who fought in WWII to defeat Nazism and its repugnant, racist ideology. They are, or were, American veterans of that war.
Right so forgive me again.

Let's call it a draw.
 





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It’s hard to understand how zionists treat this scripture like it doesn’t exists, or, it can mean what it says type of denial I guess. It’s not a good think to claim to be a Christian while yet they worship and love the synagogue of satan more than God or themselves. It’s not going to be fun for them when they stand before Jesus and give an account of themselves neglecting the rest of the herd, throwing other fellow brothers and sisters in Christ under the bus for the sake of the synagogue of satan. Then Jesus will go to those Palestinians and tell them how much he loved them when the synagogue of satan made the rest of the world to be pacified to the genocide taking place against the people in gaza. Christian zionists have so much blood on their hands.

You've been watching too much propaganda masquerading as mass media.


The truth is that the holy land is the land of the God of Israel. And God of Israel said in the Scriptures that He would bring back His people from the nations where He scattered them into His land because of His holy name.

The world in general and the Muslims especially are trying to take over the land of the God of Israel. They tried three times with war and since 1973 they've been terrorizing Israel with rockets backpack bombs stabbing car ramming etc etc.

They ought to understand that it is not their land and stop terrorizing the Jews.

So you see your pretty little pink head got it all upside down.
 





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These are the prophecies that the misinformed say were fulfilled in 1948.

Jer 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Eze 36:24-28
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

So tell me, have all of these prophecies been fulfilled? Of course not. Israel must ALWAYS keep the law in order to be God's people. That Talmudic, unbelieving, fake bunch in Israel cannot keep the law without a temple and animal sacrifices. They have been Lo-ammi, not my people (Hos1:9) since 63AD, when they were fully blinded and deafened in Ac 28:25-27, when Paul pronounced the curse of Isa 6:9-10 upon them for the 7th and last time in scripture. In God's eyes, there is no Israel today. When God does gather Israel and really put them in the land, Israel's earthly Kingdom will start and everyone on the earth will know it.

The New Spirit is the Spirit of the New Covenant, given only to Israel (Jer 31:31, Heb 8:8). It's sole purpose will be to put the LAW into Israel's inward parts and, of course, when God gathers them, there MUST be a temple and animal sacrificing, since the law MUST be kept at that time. Note that, as late as Rom 9, about 28 years after Pentecost in Ac 2, it says that Israel owned the covenants, in 9:4. And, if the. Covenants belonged to Israel, the Gentiles didn't have them and never will have them, since the Gentiles will never have to keep the law.
 





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Jer 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Eze 36:24-28
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

So tell me, have all of these prophecies been fulfilled? Of course not. Israel must ALWAYS keep the law in order to be God's people. That Talmudic, unbelieving, fake bunch in Israel cannot keep the law without a temple and animal sacrifices. They have been Lo-ammi, not my people (Hos1:9) since 63AD, when they were fully blinded and deafened in Ac 28:25-27, when Paul pronounced the curse of Isa 6:9-10 upon them for the 7th and last time in scripture. In God's eyes, there is no Israel today.
I think the only Jews who will go into the Millennium will be those who fulfil the prophesied words at the end of Matthew 23.

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This realisation will come to them during the Tribulation (if I'm "rightly dividing"), hence the verses you quoted will ultimately apply to Israel when they have been sifted, purified and the scales fallen from their eyes.

 





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Israel's earthly Kingdom of Heaven is not the same as the Millennium. The Kingdom comes first and will last about 700 years. The.Kingdom will be ruled by Christ from Heaven and David will be the King on Earth. The Millennium will be ruled by Christ on earth and He will rule with a rod of iron.
 





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These are the prophecies that the misinformed say were fulfilled in 1948.

Jer 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Eze 36:24-28
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

So tell me, have all of these prophecies been fulfilled? Of course not. Israel must ALWAYS keep the law in order to be God's people. That Talmudic, unbelieving, fake bunch in Israel cannot keep the law without a temple and animal sacrifices. They have been Lo-ammi, not my people (Hos1:9) since 63AD, when they were fully blinded and deafened in Ac 28:25-27, when Paul pronounced the curse of Isa 6:9-10 upon them for the 7th and last time in scripture. In God's eyes, there is no Israel today. When God does gather Israel and really put them in the land, Israel's earthly Kingdom will start and everyone on the earth will know it.

The New Spirit is the Spirit of the New Covenant, given only to Israel (Jer 31:31, Heb 8:8). It's sole purpose will be to put the LAW into Israel's inward parts and, of course, when God gathers them, there MUST be a temple and animal sacrificing, since the law MUST be kept at that time. Note that, as late as Rom 9, about 28 years after Pentecost in Ac 2, it says that Israel owned the covenants, in 9:4. And, if the. Covenants belonged to Israel, the Gentiles didn't have them and never will have them, since the Gentiles will never have to keep the law.


Ezekiel 36 16"Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 17“Son of man, when the people of Israel lived in their land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds. Their behavior before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman in her monthly impurity. 18So I poured out My wrath upon them because of the blood they had shed on the land, and because they had defiled it with their idols.

19I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered throughout the lands. I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20And wherever they went among the nations they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them ‘These are the people of the LORD, yet they had to leave His land.’ 21But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they had gone.

22Therefore, tell the house of Israel that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘It is not for your sake that I will act, O house of Israel, but for My holy name, which you profaned among the nations to which you went. 23I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when I show My holiness in you before their eyes."
 





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What ultimately happens to Christians, including recalcitrant, disobedient Palestinian Arab Christians, in the utopia you seem to envision when the "Messiah" finally takes his throne in Jerusalem?

Benjamin Netanyahu with Ovadia Yosef (Shas Party)



"From another [Orthodox Jewish] perspective Rabbi Ovadia Yose[f], the spiritual authority of the Shas Party [in Israel], corroborated ... Rabbi Yose[f] argued in a September 18, 1989 article in Yated Ne'eman that since Israel is too weak to demolish all Christian churches in the Holy Land it is also too weak to retain all the conquered territories."



Benjamin Netanyahu with Pastor John Hagee (CUFI)

Playing the Jesus card
http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/07/24/playing-the-jesus-card/
There is no 3rd Temple mentioned anywhere in Scripture. In fact, it says this instead about the New Jerusalem:

King of kings' Bible, Revelation
21:2 And I John saw the Holy City, "New Jerusalem", coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
21:5 And He that sat upon the Throne said, Behold, I make all things NEW. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are True and Faithful.

21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the Temple of it.
Let me preface this by saying: give us Christians the four gospels and we will all see black and white in regard to the birth, death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ but give us any other section of scripture and we will see a spectrum of colours. So how is it possible that the Scriptures can be so clear about Christ's life that we can see it but yet be so ambiguous when it comes to the Nephilim, the ten commandments, Israel or any other subject?

Anyway, I came across this woman's vision with, apparently Christ speaking to her:
I AM ABOUT TO SHAKE THIS EARTH MIGHTILY AND ALL WILL KNOW I AM GOD!
YOUR LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR THE DIVISION OF MY HOLY LAND, THEREFORE, I WILL DIVIDE YOUR LAND.


Now that we are actually split on Israel's role, if any, in the end times (and all the trimmings: Gazans are eventually kicked out so Israel owns all the land, the temple is erected, etc) how would one respond to this, should "Christ" suddenly appear in the sky, decreeing disaster for those "dividing his land", because its not out of the realm of it possibility. If "Christ" is appearing to some people in visions, defending "His" land, its not a stretch of the imagination that an appearance over any given geographical spot is possible, emphasising all things to do with 'the land'. Just a thought.
 





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Thank you for the good, informative article. I quote from it:

"Unlike most pro-Israel Jews, Christian Zionists emphatically support Israeli settlements and oppose the two-state solution. By no means liberal, they do not raise questions about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. They are, quite simply, Netanyahu’s natural constituency — far more natural than the Jewish community, which tends to be too dovish for Bibi’s taste.

So, sure enough, Netanyahu was the man of the hour at this week’s Christians United For Israel (CUFI) conference in Washington. The organization’s founder, Pastor John Hagee, addressed Netanyahu — who was in Israel — by satellite, telling him that 50 million Christians support "Israel’s sovereign right to grow and develop the settlements of Israel as you see fit and not yield to the pressure of the United States government."
M.J. Rosenberg

Little wonder that makers of political slogans manufactured the expression, "Fifth Column of Likudniks," clearly not all Jewish, clearly not all dual passport holders, operating in the USA.
 





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So, sure enough, Netanyahu was the man of the hour at this week’s Christians United For Israel (CUFI) conference in Washington. The organization’s founder, Pastor John Hagee, addressed Netanyahu — who was in Israel — by satellite, telling him that 50 million Christians support "Israel’s sovereign right to grow and develop the settlements of Israel as you see fit and not yield to the pressure of the United States government."

And then people wonder why young people join ISIS.
 





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Thank you for the good, informative article. I quote from it:


"Unlike most pro-Israel Jews, Christian Zionists emphatically support Israeli settlements and oppose the two-state solution. By no means liberal, they do not raise questions about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. They are, quite simply, Netanyahu’s natural constituency — far more natural than the Jewish community, which tends to be too dovish for Bibi’s taste.

So, sure enough, Netanyahu was the man of the hour at this week’s Christians United For Israel (CUFI) conference in Washington. The organization’s founder, Pastor John Hagee, addressed Netanyahu — who was in Israel — by satellite, telling him that 50 million Christians support "Israel’s sovereign right to grow and develop the settlements of Israel as you see fit and not yield to the pressure of the United States government."
M.J. Rosenberg

Little wonder that makers of political slogans manufactured the expression, "Fifth Column of Likudniks," clearly not all Jewish, clearly not all dual passport holders, operating in the USA.
No. Thanks to you because I found it while looking around Rightweb (the one you linked to with Irving Kristol), which is like my favorite pastry shop right now :). The image of Bibi and Hagee was basically, the article but in pictures. Fortunately, I'd encountered Mr. Rosenberg before. I originally posted this in the Israel-Iran thread.

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