Food definitely has a prophetic element - I might end up getting some of these ;-)
Continuing to run with cosmic phenomena theme.Red Sky at Morning said:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the
moon into blood, before the great and the terrible
day of the LORD come. There is much that could be said about the significance of verse 31, but we can come back to that...
Very interesting to see how you interpret these verses! I look at all prophecy from a Kingdom perspective, and use the typology and symbols to find meaning. So to me, these verses are (like Revelation) spiritually interpreted.Continuing to run with cosmic phenomena theme.
This particular description (lights going out) is recurrent, so many times: The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light...
[Isaiah 13:10, 24:23, 34:4, Jeremiah 4:23, Amos 5:18,20, Zephaniah 1:15, Matthew 24:29, 2 Peter 3:10,12, Revelation 6:12-14]
When that does happen, it won't just affect earth but the entire solar system. When the sun goes dark, so will Jupiter's 67 moons, so will every other planet. Iam just really intrigued how all this is going to play out...the physics aspect of it.
A solar eclipse is set to pass over the United States on August 21.Continuing to run with cosmic phenomena theme.
This particular description (lights going out) is recurrent, so many times: The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light...
[Isaiah 13:10, 24:23, 34:4, Jeremiah 4:23, Amos 5:18,20, Zephaniah 1:15, Matthew 24:29, 2 Peter 3:10,12, Revelation 6:12-14]
When that does happen, it won't just affect earth but the entire solar system. When the sun goes dark, so will Jupiter's 67 moons, so will every other planet. Iam just really intrigued how all this is going to play out...the physics aspect of it.
Thank you! I've never looked at it the way, at all. I take the verses literally because of: the context, and available evidence such as that the sun is actually shrinking hence less sunlight is reaching the earth (i know, this is climate change territory). But you are also right. I've mentioned it before in this thread that the HolySpirit will be withdrawn after everyone has made their decision and there'll be a spiritual darkness of sorts.Very interesting to see how you interpret these verses! I look at all prophecy from a Kingdom perspective, and use the typology and symbols to find meaning. So to me, these verses are (like Revelation) spiritually interpreted.
In typology, very simply, the Sun is God/Jesus, and the Moon is the Church - ie the church is the reflected glory of the sun. Stars always represent a particular kind of people (ministers of the gospel, Christians).
So in this kind of passage, it can mean that before the day of the Lord, (when the fullness of God will be manifested in the Sons of God), the church will not be seen in the world, because the ministers of the word have fallen, or ceased to show light. The glory and free communication of God will be withdrawn in this time - the sun will be darkened.
So what I am looking for in the future, is these patterns in the behaviour of people, especially those of 'stature' in the church, and the behaviour of the corporate church - rather than a literal, physical catastrophic cosmic event.
Does anyone else use types and symbols and have a Kingdom perspective on here....or is it just me? Curious.
OOOOOOOOOOOOO exciting! never heard of prsd before....but sounds eminently sensible! just googling it...gonna have to think about this and ask my Messianic Jewish friend what he knows about itI think there are a variety of views to prophecy in the Bible.
I have benefitted in understanding the way that Jews in the OT would look at scripture...
The Jews saw up to four different senses in scripture using their study method PRDS.
In short, ‘P’ is the ‘plain sense’ interpretation of a passage and is viewed as the primary layer of any scripture. Every scripture has at least the Pashat layer.
‘R’ is the study of implied applications or spiritual truths based on a passage.
‘D’ is the study of allegories, types, and other applications by cross-referencing other scripture.
'S' deals with underlying truths hinted at or hidden in the text by Hebrew numerology or word use, such as the number of the beast being ‘666.'
With these layers of meaning, looking back at scripture with a modern view can lead to either/or views of prophecy...
David L Cooper came up with what he called the ‘golden rule of interpretation’ in the early 20th century:
“When the plain sense of scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at it’s primary, ordinary, usual meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.”
This strict 'Protestant exegesis' guards against the trickery and nonsense of some of the corruption that Martin Luther rebelled against in Catholicism, but imo 'narrows' many modern interpretations.
This kind of thinking leads Preterists, Kingdom and Futurists to claim that their view is the most 'plain' and therefore the only reading that is valid, and argue with one another!
Perhaps the "all of them at once" view is more in line with the spirit in which they were given, and with the people the message was written to originally.
I came across the following a little while ago...OOOOOOOOOOOOO exciting! never heard of prsd before....but sounds eminently sensible! just googling it...gonna have to think about this and ask my Messianic Jewish friend what he knows about it
I don't have much stock in it but i hope this helps. Supposedly, the 3 days of "a darkness that can be felt", one of Egypt's 10 plagues will be replayed at the end of this age, as a result of planetary body@Karlysymon - I have not read about the three days of darkness - Tell me more...
"Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees," and perhaps, even more so, the leaven of the Kabbalists {click here}.The four levels of interpretation are called: Parshat, Remez, D’rash & Sod.
The first letter of each word
P-R-D-S is taken, and vowels are added for pronunciation, giving the acronym PARDES (meaning “garden” or “orchard”, paradise). Each layer is deeper and more intense than the last, like the layers of an onion ...
I agree with that too! I can see so many ways it is easy to start with truth and end with error!"Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees," and perhaps, even more so, the leaven of the Kabbalists {click here}.
Made me laugh too (with a tinge of sadness)On PRDS...
The four levels of interpretation are called: Parshat, Remez, D’rash & Sod.
The first letter of each word
P-R-D-S is taken, and vowels are added for pronunciation, giving the acronym PARDES (meaning “garden” or “orchard”, paradise). Each layer is deeper and more intense than the last, like the layers of an onion.
http://donotaddorsubtract.com/blog/2013/03/06/hebraic-levels-of-biblical-interpretation/
Funny - I looked this up and showed my husband with enthusiasm.....and he went 'meh...it's just what we do everyday anyway' so I said enthusiastically 'Yes, but someone has written it down logically so it's easier to show people '....and he's like...."Is it a Jewish thing?"....so I'm like 'yes"....and he says 'with all due respect to the Jews, if they are still Jews after studying the scriptures like this then they missed the whole point of doing it anyway.' which made me laugh.
Presuming that's Joseph as in Egypt, lots of brothers, possibly a bit too outspoken?I wonder if anyone here has given thought to the story of Joseph? I spend a long time contemplating it and some of the parallels between his story and that of Jesus really hit me...
The same! There is soooo much there if you dig in, and possibly even some prophetic patterns ;-)Presuming that's Joseph as in Egypt, lots of brothers, possibly a bit too outspoken?