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That includes the trans people you find icky.
No, I don't. I don't hate or disgust them. I can be friends with a trans person. "It isn't hate to speak the truth." To love or dislike someone is another thing. Defining their identity as false or true is another. Love, compassion or empathy don't change the facts.

The problem is that being gay or transgender is not suitable for mental and public health. What I am against is "activism and visibility". Because the elites do this with malicious intent to confuse young people. Activism doesn't protect anyone from violence. This is not an excuse.

But over my life, I've met trans folks that are good people. Polite, caring human beings that actually give a shit about their neighbor.
Michael Jackson is a polite, caring person and a good artist. I listen to his music and I can't stay away from being a fan. But that doesn't make p***philia a normal and healthy way.
 






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Political organization/corporations aren't individuals, my dude. I don't care what GLADD says. But over my life, I've met trans folks that are good people. Polite, caring human beings that actually give a shit about their neighbor. If they want to live their life as another gender, why should I care? 'cause here's the thing... If we have any hope of overthrowing the powers that be, we'll need everyone to be united. That includes the trans people you find icky. And you're not going to get them on your side if you treat them like shit... Not that you should treat anyone like shit.
They might not be individuals but they are seen as entities. The big corps are beings unto their own. ;)
 






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Political organization/corporations aren't individuals, my dude. I don't care what GLADD says. But over my life, I've met trans folks that are good people. Polite, caring human beings that actually give a shit about their neighbor. If they want to live their life as another gender, why should I care? 'cause here's the thing... If we have any hope of overthrowing the powers that be, we'll need everyone to be united. That includes the trans people you find icky. And you're not going to get them on your side if you treat them like shit... Not that you should treat anyone like shit.
But the elites are the ones pushing transgenderism and indulging their delusions lol.
 






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No, I don't. I don't hate or disgust them. I can be friends with a trans person. "It isn't hate to speak the truth." To love or dislike someone is another thing. Defining their identity as false or true is another. Love, compassion or empathy don't change the facts.
How do you determine "truth"? And were do you draw the line of what's acceptable and what isn't? Do you tell people who's religious beliefs might be different than you they are wrong?

The problem is that being gay or transgender is not suitable for mental and public health. What I am against is "activism and visibility". Because the elites do this with malicious intent to confuse young people. Activism doesn't protect anyone from violence. This is not an excuse.
I don't know. Activism and visibility would have sure as hell helped me growing up, as an asexual person. I wouldn't have spent all of my adolescence and a chunk of my adult life feeling like I'm absolutely broken. Education tends to lead to understanding.

Michael Jackson is a polite, caring person and a good artist. I listen to his music and I can't stay away from being a fan. But that doesn't make p***philia a normal and healthy way.
"What consenting adults do is just the same as r*pe." Yeah, comments like this are why people think the heart of people's disgust of LGBT is based on bigotry. Note: I'm not saying you're a bigot. I'm not judging you personally... But when you relate p***philia (which is r*pe, as children are incapable of consent) with actions committed by willing adults, it's not a good look.

But the elites are the ones pushing transgenderism and indulging their delusions lol.
It's only promoted when society as a whole become more accepting of it.
 






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How do you determine "truth"? And were do you draw the line of what's acceptable and what isn't? Do you tell people who's religious beliefs might be different than you they are wrong?



I don't know. Activism and visibility would have sure as hell helped me growing up, as an asexual person. I wouldn't have spent all of my adolescence and a chunk of my adult life feeling like I'm absolutely broken. Education tends to lead to understanding.



"What consenting adults do is just the same as r*pe." Yeah, comments like this are why people think the heart of people's disgust of LGBT is based on bigotry. Note: I'm not saying you're a bigot. I'm not judging you personally... But when you relate p***philia (which is r*pe, as children are incapable of consent) with actions committed by willing adults, it's not a good look.



It's only promoted when society as a whole become more accepting of it.
In Chapter Six, they outline "ten categories of misbehavior," drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the male gay lifestyle "is the pits."
  • The authors say "a surprisingly high percentage" of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from "a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one's own gayness and its implications."
  • They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to "I can do whatever I want and you can go to perdition. (If it feels good, I'll do it!)" If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend's lover, he'll do it, justifying it as an act of "sexual freedom" and the friend be damned.
  • They say gays suffer from a "narcissistic" personality disorder and give this clinical description: "Pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation."
  • They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such "forbidden" aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia i.e. shit) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.
  • They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is anti-gay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.
  • Many gays are "single minded sexual predators" fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are "the real queer bashers." Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.
  • "Relationships between gay men don't usually last very long." They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The "cheating ratio of 'married' gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%."
  • Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.
  • The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.

What explains the American homosexuals' resemblance to Turkish homosexuals? The nature of that identity, of course.
 






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How do you determine "truth"? And were do you draw the line of what's acceptable and what isn't? Do you tell people who's religious beliefs might be different than you they are wrong?

I don't know. Activism and visibility would have sure as hell helped me growing up, as an asexual person. I wouldn't have spent all of my adolescence and a chunk of my adult life feeling like I'm absolutely broken. Education tends to lead to understanding.
Anyone who doesn't fulfill the social and sexual functions of their gender will eventually become ill. This includes heterosexual and asexual feminists. Men are protectors and providers. Woman are fertile and supportive. When things go wrong, people go crazy with alcohol, drugs, antidepressants and hysteria.

Let's compare heterosexuals who fit the pattern I mentioned and "free" homosexuals. (free: unhindered, able to find a community and move freely) We will find an extraordinary difference in their mental health.
"What consenting adults do is just the same as r*pe." Yeah, comments like this are why people think the heart of people's disgust of LGBT is based on bigotry. Note: I'm not saying you're a bigot. I'm not judging you personally... But when you relate p***philia (which is r*pe, as children are incapable of consent) with actions committed by willing adults, it's not a good look.
I didn't equate the two. I said that the sympathy and talents of the people with an identity don't justify that identity.
 






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Anyone who doesn't fulfill the social and sexual functions of their gender will eventually become ill. This includes heterosexual and asexual feminists. Men are protectors and providers. Woman are fertile and supportive. When things go wrong, people go crazy with alcohol, drugs, antidepressants and hysteria.
There's so much wrong with this statement.

1.) Feminist and asexual women are both capable of being "fertile and supportive" and loving mothers.

2.) Every single mother I know, who'd I'd consider a "good mother" is just as much of a protector over her children as any man.

3.) People "go crazy" with alcohol, drugs, and the like for far more reasons that who they fuck or what gender they consider themselves. Most people in the modern world who are depressed tend to be depressed because of other factors. Finaical reasons is a major one. Of course, some people in various parts of the LGBT spectrum suffer depression that you could say is related to their identity... But it's more because they've had parents that kicked them out of the house, or friends that stopped associating with them because of it. You know, the actions of other people.


Let's compare heterosexuals who fit the pattern I mentioned and "free" homosexuals. (free: unhindered, able to find a community and move freely) We will find an extraordinary difference in their mental health.
I know plenty of heterosexuals who live the "proper" way and are absolutely fucking miserable. I know homosexuals who are happy with their lot in life.

I didn't equate the two. I said that the sympathy and talents of the people with an identity don't justify that identity.
Yeah, but if someone's identity doesn't hurt anyone else... Well, it's none of your business. p***philia, being an act of sexual assault, is inherently harmful. Homosexuality, or transgenderism, harms no one.
 






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In Chapter Six, they outline "ten categories of misbehavior," drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the male gay lifestyle "is the pits."
  • The authors say "a surprisingly high percentage" of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from "a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one's own gayness and its implications."
  • They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to "I can do whatever I want and you can go to perdition. (If it feels good, I'll do it!)" If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend's lover, he'll do it, justifying it as an act of "sexual freedom" and the friend be damned.
  • They say gays suffer from a "narcissistic" personality disorder and give this clinical description: "Pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation."
  • They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such "forbidden" aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia i.e. shit) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.
  • They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is anti-gay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.
  • Many gays are "single minded sexual predators" fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are "the real queer bashers." Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.
  • "Relationships between gay men don't usually last very long." They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The "cheating ratio of 'married' gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%."
  • Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.
  • The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.

What explains the American homosexuals' resemblance to Turkish homosexuals? The nature of that identity, of course.
I'm curious about what counts as a "surprisingly high percentage" counts as 'cause I've never met a single gay person that acts like that.
 






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Your sample is very limited. A few friends don't explain society. To extracting wide conclusions, the majority of the group is taken into account.

I have admitted this several times on this forum. I'm homosexual. In the past, I met dozens of homosexuals closely, hundreds of them from afar. I've read thousands of them. They are SICK. They are in Turkey and they fit the pattern in an American book exactly.

Let's compare today with the past decades or centuries when society was almost entirely heterosexual, gender binary and non-feminist (for drug and anti-depressant use) Were people suffering this much in the past? What has changed in previous decades?
 






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Your sample is very limited. A few friends don't explain society. To extracting wide conclusions, the majority of the group is taken into account.

I have admitted this several times on this forum. I'm homosexual. In the past, I met dozens of homosexuals closely, hundreds of them from afar. I've read thousands of them. They are SICK. They are in Turkey and they fit the pattern in an American book exactly.
So... Is every gay person I know, hiding a secret life of orgies from me or something? Even if they are... How is it any different from all the straight people I know who've had dozens of sexual partners?

Let's compare today with the past decades or centuries when society was almost entirely heterosexual, gender binary and non-feminist (for drug and anti-depressant use) Were people suffering this much in the past? What has changed in previous decades?
We're more aware of the world around us in the modern era and slowly starting to treat mental illness as any other sort of sickness - something that can be treated, rather that something we should just hide away. This awareness is a double-edged sword; we're also aware that there's a lot more corruption in this world that previous generations were aware.

But this wasn't a new thing. My father had a lot of mental illness, growing up in the 50s, back in one of the "good old days". He had physically and emotionally abusive parents. His grant parents and aunts and uncles had a slew of issues themselves. One willingly joined the second World War to avoid his homelife. If you read history, people were always crazy - especially our leaders - but the population was just more ignorant.

My own depression doesn't stem from my asexuality. I'd not much care if I die alone and don't carry on my family name. It does stem from the fact I know we live in a world where there's more than enough food to feed everyone but people still starve. It stems from the fact a small few people control the vast majority of the world's wealth. It stems from the fact that as an individual, I can't do much on my own, and that even if I had a group of like-minded people that wanted to fight to make the world a better place, we'd be fighting just as much against fearful people who hate their place in life but are more afraid of the uncertainty of a free future, as we would be against the people actually causing harm. It stems from the fact that even some of the most wicked people in this world are convinced of their own righteousness, making discussion hard. It stems from the fact the one thing in the world I want - freedom for all - is unobtainable. In the past, I drank to dull that... Alcohol abuse! But it's sure as not stemming from the fact I don't want to fuck people.
 






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..My own depression...It does stem from the fact I know we live in a world where there's more than enough food to feed everyone but people still starve. It stems from the fact a small few people control the vast majority of the world's wealth. It stems from the fact that as an individual, I can't do much on my own..

Take my advice and become a Christian mate, because the central theme of Christianity is to REJECT the world and just chill, and you're gonna feel a whole lot better..:)

"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Rom 12:2)
"Don't love the world or the things in it, otherwise the love of God is not in you" (1 John 2:15-17)
"Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth" (Col 3:2)
"You were dead when you followed the ways of the world" (Eph 2:1/2)
"You died with Christ from this world, so don't keep submitting to its rules" (Col 2:20)
Jesus said:- "The world wants you to dance to its tune......God has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners...to release the oppressed" (Matt 11:16/17,Luke 4:18 )




 






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I am Christian. :p I just don't believe in letting the world burn since it and people are worth saving.

That's fine, but if you get TOO concerned and bogged down with the world's woes you get depressed as you've found out yourself.
That's why Christianity tells us not to let ourselves get sucked into worldly worries and concerns, but to chill and stay spiritually detached-
"For we look at things unseen rather than the seen, for the seen are temporary, but the unseen are eternal" (2 Cor 4:18)

"My Christian faith is my backbone"- Bear Grylls
 






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you fell for that phony fake propaganda.

Nah mate, when Grylls munches on spiders, scorpions, snakes and things, they look genuine enough to me..:)
The directors/producers of his early shows certainly faked segments by putting him in supposedly "remote" locations, with a hotel just out of shot, but he later said in interviews that he never liked it, so he took more personal control in his later shows.
 






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but the population was just more ignorant.
Population is much more ignorant than before. In the past, people used to take more care to protect their families and children.

70 years ago, no one would dress their child in a tshirt like this. To criticize this today is to be a far-right conspiracy theorist.
If you read history, people were always crazy - especially our leaders - but the population was just more ignorant.
Unfortunately your family still doesn't explain society. The person who was in an asylum 70 years ago is the average person today. The threshold for being considered insane has risen.
My own depression doesn't stem from my asexuality. It stems from the fact a small few people control the vast majority of the world's wealth.
Awareness is a common excuse for depression but no. How do you explain the depression of the stupid crowd who don't know anything?
But it's sure as not stemming from the fact I don't want to fuck people.
This is the reason. Correct sexual stimulation is very important both religions and modern psychology.
 






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Population is much more ignorant than before. In the past, people used to take more care to protect their families and children.

70 years ago, no one would dress their child in a tshirt like this. To criticize this today is to be a far-right conspiracy theorist.
Right. Rather that putting their young daughter in a shirt that says "ho" (even though the vast majority of parents nowadays wouldn't either), but they would sell their child into a marriage the moment she had her period.

Unfortunately your family still doesn't explain society. The person who was in an asylum 70 years ago is the average person today. The threshold for being considered insane has risen.
Yes. They would have been put in asylum. Or locked in an attic. They would be dehumanized, forgotten, and abused. Since society didn't give a single fuck about their most vulnerable. I don't think we should really go back to that.

Awareness is a common excuse for depression but no. How do you explain the depression of the stupid crowd who don't know anything?
The "stupid crowd" is aware something is very wrong with society. That's why we're seeing a global rise of populist politicians, promising a better world, either by marching forward with glorious new state or going back to the good old times.

This is the reason. Correct sexual stimulation is very important both religions and modern psychology.
Or here's a shocking idea. How about people stop acting like I'm broken just because I'm not like you?

Conversations like this are why I largely left "conspiracy culture" behind. It's full of people like you who aren't actually upset that the world is ruled by tyrants, but upset folks like you aren't the one's with the jackboots.
 






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Winners make it happen...losers let it happen.

The sad reality of life. See how close we now are to a full scale Orwellian nightmare.

 






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