Pro Trump Safe Room

[Artful Revealer]

I have hated Clinton since 1996, anyone who knows my career field would understand why and that’s without even getting into anything complicated.

You've hated Clinton since 1996. 20 years of hate is a long time. But you said you'd still vote for her if she was the Democratic nominee against Trump who had no political record. Why?

 

[justjess]

You've hated Clinton since 1996. 20 years of hate is a long time. But you said you'd still vote for her if she was the Democratic nominee against Trump who had no political record. Why?

I didn’t vote. I was moving. And yes I have hated Clinton for twenty years... I’m a social worker remember? I’m sure you can give me three reasons off the top of your head that a social worker would despise the Clintons without even breaking a sweat.

I equally despise trump for about the same length of time, however, I had a deep fear that his election would lead to everything we are seeing now. I guess that wasn’t too far off base, unfortunately.

you guys seem to conveniently forget that he was/is friends with the Clintons. I don’t support the dnc or the Rnc and it’s a little ridiculous I keep being pushed into a false choice between the two. I’m voting for Tupac shakur this year, if at all. I usually don’t vote at all. And I’m sure you were around back in the day when I tried to encourage a movement for mass refusal To vote. (Let it be noted I didn’t vote for Obama either).

 

[Artful Revealer]

I didn’t vote. I was moving. And yes I have hated Clinton for twenty years... I’m a social worker remember? I’m sure you can give me three reasons off the top of your head that a social worker would despise the Clintons without even breaking a sweat.

I equally despise trump for about the same length of time, however, I had a deep fear that his election would lead to everything we are seeing now. I guess that wasn’t too far off base, unfortunately.

you guys seem to conveniently forget that he was/is friends with the Clintons. I don’t support the dnc or the Rnc and it’s a little ridiculous I keep being pushed into a false choice between the two. I’m voting for Tupac shakur this year, if at all. I usually don’t vote at all. And I’m sure you were around back in the day when I tried to encourage a movement for mass refusal To vote. (Let it be noted I didn’t vote for Obama either).

You're not the only one who hates politicians. I could never have voted for Hillary, regardless of who her opponent was. I guess your use of the word hate was just hyperbolic then. But ok, just wanted some insight here.

 

[Artful Revealer]

People who think that pro-Trumpers are just naively being played or anything similar show their lack of political awareness, both present and historical. Long before Trump charged onto the political scene, a lot of people, myself included, a group of people that could be classified as la troisième voie, or the Third Way, after Pope Leon XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum ("Rights and Duties of Capital and Labour"), neither left or right, nor capitalist or communist, protecting the rights of workers without going fully overboard and ban all private property, were systematically categorised as nationalists and semi-fascists. People of la troisième voie were never even remotely appeased by traditional left or right-wing or centrist political parties, because the essential political matters were always left unaddressed, or worse, aggravated, by either side, ie. open-border policies, unbridled mass migration, supranational centralization of political power, outsourcing of giant industries, wars abroad, money as debt, pandering to minority groups, and all other globalist, multiculturalist and divisive policies that disrupted national sovereignty, cohesion and strength.

I've waited over 15 years for a guy like Trump to take charge of a Western power and then I'm being told by political noobs who couldn't tell an enemy from an ally that me and like-minded people are being fooled?
They can go suck dick. Trump, although not perfect (hate to break it to the "woke" people out there, a perfect politician doesn't exist) replies to most essential political wants Third Way people have been craving for a long, a very, very, very long, time. He didn't fool a voter base. The voter base already existed, but never had someone who stood up for their views. But it was only a matter of time that one of us would succeed in taking the reins, I just never expected it to be in the US of A. Growing up anti-American through my entire adolescence, I finally started fist pumping to the Stars and Stripes.

 

[justjess]

People who think that pro-Trumpers are just naively being played or anything similar show their lack of policitical awareness, both present and historical. Long before Trump charged onto the political scene, a lot of people, myself included, a group of people that could be classified as la troisième voie, or the Third Way, after Pope Leon XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum ("Rights and Duties of Capital and Labour"), neither left or right, nor capitalist or communist, protecting the rights of workers without going fully overboard and ban all private property. We were systematically categorised as nationalists and semi-fascists. People of la troisième voie were never even remotely appeased by traditional left or right-wing or centrist political parties, because the essential political matters were always left unaddressed, or worse, aggravated, by either side, ie. open-border policies, unbridled mass migration, supranational centralization of political power, outsourcing of giant industries, wars abroad, money as debt, pandering to minority groups, and all other globalist, multiculturalist and divisive policies that disrupted national sovereignty, cohesion and strength.

I've waited over 15 years for a guy like Trump to take charge of a Western power and then I'm being told by political noobs who couldn't tell an enemy from an ally that me and like-minded people are being fooled?
They can go suck dick. Trump, although not perfect (hate to break it to the "woke" people out there, a perfect politician doesn't exist) replies to most essential political wants Third Way people have been craving for a long, a very, very, very long, time. He didn't fool a voter base. The voter base already existed, but never had someone who stood up for their views. But it was only a matter of time that one of us would succeed in taking the reins, I just never expected it to be in the US of A. Growing up anti-American through my entire adolescence, I finally started fist pumping to the Stars and Stripes.

Thinking you’ve been duped doesn’t mean I think you are stupid or naive. I really hope you don’t take it that way. He is a master manipulator and a career conman. His whole purpose in life is duping people.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Thinking you’ve been duped doesn’t mean I think you are stupid or naive. I really hope you don’t take it that way. He is a master manipulator and a career conman. His whole purpose in life is duping people.

That's where you're wrong, Jess.

 

[justjess]

That's where you're wrong, Jess.

time will tell.

 

[Artful Revealer]

But you should know where your ancestors/Roots come from. Because in all reality, you are not from here. You were born here, but not from here. You're heredity lies in Europe, which is really where you're from. Europeans basically didn't like their own home and went to other lands, settled, and messed up the original habitants lands and ways of life.

How far back in time do we draw the line? Because Native Americans originally migrated from Siberia, Russia. Who knows what indigenous people they replaced.

 

[Maes17]

People who think that pro-Trumpers are just naively being played or anything similar show their lack of political awareness, both present and historical. Long before Trump charged onto the political scene, a lot of people, myself included, a group of people that could be classified as la troisième voie, or the Third Way, after Pope Leon XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum ("Rights and Duties of Capital and Labour"), neither left or right, nor capitalist or communist, protecting the rights of workers without going fully overboard and ban all private property, were systematically categorised as nationalists and semi-fascists. People of la troisième voie were never even remotely appeased by traditional left or right-wing or centrist political parties, because the essential political matters were always left unaddressed, or worse, aggravated, by either side, ie. open-border policies, unbridled mass migration, supranational centralization of political power, outsourcing of giant industries, wars abroad, money as debt, pandering to minority groups, and all other globalist, multiculturalist and divisive policies that disrupted national sovereignty, cohesion and strength.

I've waited over 15 years for a guy like Trump to take charge of a Western power and then I'm being told by political noobs who couldn't tell an enemy from an ally that me and like-minded people are being fooled?
They can go suck dick. Trump, although not perfect (hate to break it to the "woke" people out there, a perfect politician doesn't exist) replies to most essential political wants Third Way people have been craving for a long, a very, very, very long, time. He didn't fool a voter base. The voter base already existed, but never had someone who stood up for their views. But it was only a matter of time that one of us would succeed in taking the reins, I just never expected it to be in the US of A. Growing up anti-American through my entire adolescence, I finally started fist pumping to the Stars and Stripes.

I agree. A perfect politician doesn’t exist at all.
Of course when you have power/control and leadership of the freeworld. You’ll push for your view of things and try to cater to your voters.

I’m looking at this from both perspectives.
Pro Trump = support of police state to combat civil unrest etc. Support of a capitalist system. I believe in a free market myself. So yes, it is selfish for me to say that I deserve what I work for. But that should hold true to anyone who wants to live to whatever means that doesn’t harm others.

Anti-Trump = police state granted way too much power. Abuse of said power. Trump pushing a full control/martial law agenda. The thoughts in regards to socialism is not to put down people working hard,
but to give people who need financial help support.
Welfare is an iffy thing for me. Just cause some people abuse the system and cheat. But overall.
It all stems to equal opportunity for them.


Of course there is a lot more to both sides.
Just sad that even after all these riots. Tensions have gotten worse

 

[Artful Revealer]

I agree. A perfect politician doesn’t exist at all.
Of course when you have power/control and leadership of the freeworld. You’ll push for your view of things and try to cater to your voters.

I’m looking at this from both perspectives.
Pro Trump = support of police state to combat civil unrest etc. Support of a capitalist system. I believe in a free market myself. So yes, it is selfish for me to say that I deserve what I work for. But that should hold true to anyone who wants to live to whatever means that doesn’t harm others.

Anti-Trump = police state granted way too much power. Abuse of said power. Trump pushing a full control/martial law agenda. The thoughts in regards to socialism is not to put down people working hard,
but to give people who need financial help support.
Welfare is an iffy thing for me. Just cause some people abuse the system and cheat. But overall.
It all stems to equal opportunity for them.


Of course there is a lot more to both sides.
Just sad that even after all these riots. Tensions have gotten worse

I would say protectionist / economic nationalist rather than capitalist as a descriptor. There's also a difference between martial law to suppress rioters, looters and criminals and martial law to control and suppress law-abiding citizenry.

 

[justjess]

I would say protectionist / economic nationalist rather than capitalist as a descriptor. There's also a difference between martial law to suppress rioters, looters and criminals than martial law to control and suppress law-abiding citizenry.

Peaceful protesting is not a crime. It is a right enshrined in our constitution. Real good way to demonize it though... police incite the violence themselves, blame the protesters, and then justify enshrining their power further through martial law.

 

[polymoog]

i would like an example of this "on board with the globalists" though. you too @polymoog if ya think it.
i have to say reading Q Anon has been guiding me as well. It said, Israel is for last.
It is FASCINATING to note during the protests that Trump has the Gun crowd so into them that the militia types are willing to, under him, let him release the military on USA soil and not retaliate one bit. I am one of them.
If they fooled me this well then, bravo. I'll take my place in the camps if it ends up the way you guys think. Just have to see but boy oh boy what a show it is! Drama!

what do i think?
it started with obama. obama started the racial tension and supported all of those liberal ideas. the dems and the far leftists loved him while the conservatives became more and more angry and disgusted. then the powers that be put trump in there (im leaning toward this now in hindsight, although i could be wrong-- TPTB were in a win-win situation with hillary who couldve crushed our liberties years ago and trump, who they could use as someone to give the sensible people the illusion of hope) and he started addressing and saying things (climate change hoax, etc.) that ran 180 degrees to what the public was sucking in for the past 8 years.
whether he was selected or not is not the matter: i look at his actions.
- got us out of the WHO
- got us out of the paris climate change hoax agreement
- "supposedly" corrected immigration... but im not sure if he really did
- says he is anti- vax and wont make it mandatory
- brought the Fed under governmental control (did anyone notice?) (but to be fair, did that change anything anyway?)
- called out corona as a hoax
- calls out the warped far leftists for what they are.

what i dont like:
- way too cozy with israel
- kushner-- i dont trust him
- dumped the swamp and put in different swamp personnel
- took forever to do something about internet censorship-- still he is dragging his feet. shouldve done that YEARS ago
- hillary is not investigated and then tried (yeah, sealed indictments... how long do they want to wait on that???)
- not sure if hes serious about free speech
- reneged on the release of 9/11 docs (not that we dont know already...)
- shouldve stopped 5g in its tracks (although that could be a ruse in itself (as per sophia smallstorm says the next technology is far worse)

i dont think he is a globalist, but he will be used by TPTB to push off the heavy police state as sensible people unwittingly demand he end the riots/looting with more security. we will get more cameras, more AI and police tech implemented. so he will play into their hands anyway.

i think the Qanon stuff is 'new age' conservatism: just like new agers believe the 'never get angry' or 'this reality means nothing- only be concerned with yourself" , Qanons 'trust the plan' is basically telling conservatives to do nothing; that the "patriots" have it under control and theyll take care of it.
NOTHING will change if everyone sits back and expects someone else to do it. every single person needs to be fighting and speaking out-- its each and every persons moral responsibility against evil and wrongdoing.

 

[Maes17]

I would say protectionist / economic nationalist rather than capitalist as a descriptor. There's also a difference between martial law to suppress rioters, looters and criminals than martial law to control and suppress law-abiding citizenry.

It’s all perspective. I’m just the middle man trying to understand the “why’s?” to all this

 

[Artful Revealer]

Peaceful protesting is not a crime. It is a right enshrined in our constitution. Real good way to demonize it though... police incite the violence themselves, blame the protesters, and then justify enshrining their power further through martial law.

It's hard to take anyone seriously who calls these protests peaceful.

 

[justjess]

It's hard to take anyone seriously who calls these protests peaceful.

The vast majority of these protests have been peaceful. The vast majority of protesters at the non peaceful protests have also been peaceful. They just aren’t showing it on the news.

 

[polymoog]

The vast majority of these protests have been peaceful. The vast majority of protesters at the non peaceful protests have also been peaceful. They just aren’t showing it on the news.

i agree with you that the news has an agenda: the libs with spin this as peaceful and fox news will say its violent,
but every video i see posted on social media (before its censored), bitchute or 153news looks pretty damn bad. i do not doubt there are peaceful protesters, but theyre grouped in with the violent rioters and provocateurs, so its a complete mess which is impossible to sort out.

 

[justjess]

i agree with you that the news has an agenda: the libs with spin this as peaceful and fox news will say its violent,
but every video i see posted on social media (before its censored), bitchute or 153news looks pretty damn bad. i do not doubt there are peaceful protesters, but theyre grouped in with the violent rioters and provocateurs, so its a complete mess which is impossible to sort out.

Camden NJ had an entirely peaceful protest. Camden NJ is the murder capital of the country. There have been peaceful protests all over - they just aren’t click bait. Social media has an agenda too.

 

[Devine]

People still believe in the Russiahoax after all this?

You're shitting me.

that person said "i don't know what msm is" so im not surprised

 

[Devine]

I didn’t vote. I was moving. And yes I have hated Clinton for twenty years... I’m a social worker remember? I’m sure you can give me three reasons off the top of your head that a social worker would despise the Clintons without even breaking a sweat.

I equally despise trump for about the same length of time, however, I had a deep fear that his election would lead to everything we are seeing now. I guess that wasn’t too far off base, unfortunately.

you guys seem to conveniently forget that he was/is friends with the Clintons. I don’t support the dnc or the Rnc and it’s a little ridiculous I keep being pushed into a false choice between the two. I’m voting for Tupac shakur this year, if at all. I usually don’t vote at all. And I’m sure you were around back in the day when I tried to encourage a movement for mass refusal To vote. (Let it be noted I didn’t vote for Obama either).

I just worked the polls at my local primaries and know that your write in votes Will be counted by the machine! I worked with a lovely old man at end of night he's like "I don't know who Deez Nuts is" LOL
also are you sure he was friends with clintons? doesn't look like it here

Id like to ask you to prove what you say but since you haven't provided any of the links I've asked for throughout this thread Im sure you wont.
Just so everyone knows, if I say something on here, I can show proof. If it's my opinion I'll state it as such but if I tell you a "fact" trust I can back it up if you want me to

 

[Devine]

People who think that pro-Trumpers are just naively being played or anything similar show their lack of political awareness, both present and historical. Long before Trump charged onto the political scene, a lot of people, myself included, a group of people that could be classified as la troisième voie, or the Third Way, after Pope Leon XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum ("Rights and Duties of Capital and Labour"), neither left or right, nor capitalist or communist, protecting the rights of workers without going fully overboard and ban all private property, were systematically categorised as nationalists and semi-fascists. People of la troisième voie were never even remotely appeased by traditional left or right-wing or centrist political parties, because the essential political matters were always left unaddressed, or worse, aggravated, by either side, ie. open-border policies, unbridled mass migration, supranational centralization of political power, outsourcing of giant industries, wars abroad, money as debt, pandering to minority groups, and all other globalist, multiculturalist and divisive policies that disrupted national sovereignty, cohesion and strength.

I've waited over 15 years for a guy like Trump to take charge of a Western power and then I'm being told by political noobs who couldn't tell an enemy from an ally that me and like-minded people are being fooled?
They can go suck dick. Trump, although not perfect (hate to break it to the "woke" people out there, a perfect politician doesn't exist) replies to most essential political wants Third Way people have been craving for a long, a very, very, very long, time. He didn't fool a voter base. The voter base already existed, but never had someone who stood up for their views. But it was only a matter of time that one of us would succeed in taking the reins, I just never expected it to be in the US of A. Growing up anti-American through my entire adolescence, I finally started fist pumping to the Stars and Stripes.

WOW you just stated Everything I feel in your post here much more eloquently than I could have. Thank you!!! every word wow