Predictive programming in the music industry.

[mecca]

Your optimism knows no bounds. I appreciate that and remember being a boundless optimist as well. Somewhere along the line, and as it has been said, my optimism got mugged by a harsher reality, but I am not embittered by the event.

I don't think I'm being overly optimistic at all. I think I'm being pragmatic. There is adult content on the internet, there is also children's content. If you allow a child to go online when they are young, you are going to have to provide them with suitable children's content and block the adult content. Simply block the porn websites, it's unlikely that a young child will seek out a porn website before they become a horny teenager going through puberty... and if you block the websites, they are far less likely to view porn at a young age even if they actually really want to. Once they do become a horny teenager you can't expect them to never view porn. At that point you should basically talk to them one on one about it if you think they are going overboard with porn use... or maybe take away their device... this is what parents do. This stuff is basically what all parents (even before the internet) have to deal with.

Teens are hard to control, that's just how it is... but eventually everyone makes it through this stage of life and matures into adulthood. A parent simply has to do their best... if their child rebels a bit, that's totally normal and they will still turn out okay. Like nothing bad is going to happen just because they saw a music video. You can't expect that your child will never see things that are inappropriate for their age but you can definitely minimize their exposure, especially when they are very young. Again, an 8 year old doesn't need their own internet accessible device, you can tell them to wait... they should grow up and mature a bit first.

A parent can't just give a little kid a computer and just let them do whatever they want on it. If your child is not mature enough to safely use a computer, then you should not give them one in the first place. If you do give a young person their own device, you have to make sure that you have properly informed them of the dangers, you have to make sure that you blocked unsafe content and provided your child with good content. They have to be mature enough that they actually understand these things. This is just basic parenting, you can't just let your child have free reign over everything... they can't just do whatever they want whenever they want to with no supervision or even guidance. A parent is supposed to teach and guide as well as regulate, and you can certainly do those things when you are introducing your child to the internet as well.

All the best with trying to "supervise" a 12 year old boy, especially when he is thought to be playing video games with his school friends and you're a single mother, or two working parents who cannot afford a nanny, tutor or boarding school.

When your child becomes older and starts maturing, they won't even require as much supervision as a younger child in the first place so you should already be able to trust your child a bit more. And around this age is where the other methods I described would probably start to pay off, a 12 year old already knows right from wrong and they will be better and guiding their own actions. And even though you as a parent cannot constantly monitor your child, you can still have parental controls in place that would block any bad websites. You should have already explained to them how to safely navigate the internet, you should have told them what to do and what not to do. As I said, parents have to do the best that they can. Exposure to adult content won't be completely stopped but it can easily be minimized and as long as you raise your child right, they will be okay.

Adults today grew up with media as well, they may not have had the internet when they were young but there were still various forms of media like TV, movies, videogames, and music. The 12 year olds of the past were doing the same things as the 12 year olds today... hanging out, playing videogames with their friends, listening to songs... neither in the past or present are 12 year olds able to be supervised constantly. Children learn all kinds of things from their friends or their peers at school and you can't really expect to shelter them completely, it's not even necessary to do so. Back then, parents had to do their best to prevent their children from viewing adult media or growing up too fast and It's the same thing today just with a different technological medium. People always eventually get through these phases of new technology. Children growing up today aren't being scarred for life over the internet's existence, they are still growing up to be normal human beings. You just have to do your best to raise your child and know that you have taught them how to navigate this world well. Like I said, I grew up with access to the internet and I never got into scat porn... that's really not something that's common. I'm fine and nothing bad happened to me, or my brother or any of my peers... we all seem like good, normal people. The internet has so much more to offer then just porn and people utilize it for far more things that just viewing sexual content, and I would say that the youth are not the primary viewers of most sexual content. You can literally minimize your child to only be able to access educational children's websites if you really wanted to.

 

[Awoken2]

I don't think I'm being overly optimistic at all. I think I'm being pragmatic. There is adult content on the internet, there is also children's content. If you allow a child to go online when they are young, you are going to have to provide them with suitable children's content and block the adult content. Simply block the porn websites, it's unlikely that a young child will seek out a porn website before they become a horny teenager going through puberty... and if you block the websites, they are far less likely to view it even if they actually wanted to. Once they do become a horny teenager you can't expect them to never view porn. At that point you should basically talk to them one on one about it if you think they are going overboard with porn use... this is basically what all parents (even before the internet) had to deal with.

Teens are hard to control, that's just how it is... but eventually everyone makes it through this stage of life and matures into adulthood. A parent simply has to do their best, if their child rebels a bit, that's totally normal and they will still turn out okay. You can't expect that your child will never see things that are inappropriate but you can minimize their exposure, especially when they are very young. Again, an 8 year old doesn't need their own internet accessible device, you can tell them to wait... they should grow up and mature a bit first.

A parent can't just give a little kid a computer and just let them do whatever they want on it. If your child is not mature enough to safely use a computer, then you should not give them one in the first place. If you do give a young person their own device, you have to make sure that you have properly informed them of the dangers, you have to make sure that you blocked unsafe content and provided your child with good content. They have to be mature enough that they actually understand these things. This is just basic parenting, you can't just let your child have free reign over everything... they can't just do whatever they want whenever they want to.

When your child becomes older and starts maturing, they won't even require as much supervision as a younger child in the first place so you should already be able to trust your child a bit more. And around this age is where the other methods I described would probably start to pay off, a 12 year old already knows right from wrong and they will be better and guiding their own actions. And even though you as a parent cannot constantly monitor your child, you can still have parental controls in place that would block any bad websites. You should have already explained to them how to safely navigate the internet, you should have told them what to do and what not to do. As I said, parents have to do the best that they can. Exposure to adult content won't be completely stopped but it can easily be minimized and as long as you raise your child right, they will be okay.

Adults today grew up with media as well, they may not have had the internet when they were young but there were still various forms of media like TV, movies, videogames, and music. The 12 year olds of the past were doing the same things as the 12 year olds today... hanging out, playing videogames with their friends, listening to songs... neither in the past or present are 12 year olds able to be supervised constantly. Children learn all kinds of things from their friends or their peers at school and you can't really expect to shelter them completely, it's not even necessary to do so. Back then, parents had to do their best to prevent their children from viewing adult media or growing up too fast and It's the same thing today just with a different technological medium. People always eventually get through these phases of new technology. Children growing up today aren't being scarred for life over the internet's existence, they are still growing up to be normal human beings. You just have to do your best to raise your child and know that you have taught them how to navigate this world well. Like I said, I grew up with access to the internet and I never got into scat porn... that's really not something that's common. The internet has so much more to offer then just porn and people utilize it for far more things that just viewing sexual content, and I would say that the youth are not the primary viewers of most sexual content.

Yet another wall of utter dross. It's amazing how much effort you put into your little essays but when it comes down to answering a few simple questions you scamper off down your rabbit hole to appear later in another garden munching their lettuce.

Your credibity is zero right now.

 

[Serveto]

I don't think I'm being overly optimistic at all. I think I'm being pragmatic.

"... if you raise a child right then they will turn out fine regardless."
@mecca​

If you consider this a pragmatic rather than optimistic statement, it's no matter. I consider most of your suggestions, however pragmatic they may sound, highly impracticable and for the reasons I have already stated. As I see it, children and adolescents are being raised in an increasingly toxic environment, physically and culturally, and one doesn't raise one's children alone: the culture plays a tremendous role in their development. If the culture is sick, so too might become those raised by it. But you may rest comfortably in your own reassurances to the contrary if you will.

Apart from that, and as it generally relates to the remainder of your post, most of us know that the Internet is not used for sexual content alone, and that it is a powerful, useful tool. It is so powerful, in fact, that I sometimes envision it as Cro-Magnon man in the seat of a bulldozer. Just today, in fact, the kid, now man, who once stole a Playboy magazine from the drugstore was, by means of the Internet, accessing the archives of the Smithsonian Institution for a good, wholesome read. So, extrapolating from my experience to the masses, the future, for all humankind, seems, in some ways, bright indeed.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

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@mecca​

As I see it, children and adolescents are being raised in an increasingly toxic environment, physically and culturally, and one doesn't raise one's children alone: the culture plays a tremendous role in their development. If the culture is sick, so too might become those raised by it. But you may rest comfortably in your own reassurances to the contrary if you will.

Maybe, but I would rather raise a kid now then 300 years ago or even the 1950s. The culture is sick but a gross-out comedy sketch on AM drive time radio or some BDSM references in pop songs isn't really the problem. You have any idea what guys in Wall Street and Corporate Executives do? What is truly immoral, what is the actual cause for all the perceived problems that this forum discusses are all from capitalism.

 

[Awoken2]

Maybe, but I would rather raise a kid now then 300 years ago or even the 1950s

As pointless statements go this is pretty impressive.

You haven't got the option of raising kids in a bygone era. This is the here and now. As swiftly as you dismiss a very.pertinent post by.@Serveto with some extremely salient.points with a simple ",maybe" you then blatantly try turn this into some type of political debate and bring up socialism.

Society is in moral decline, look at the mainstream.music industry and tell me it is not.

Things have changed, if you haven't noticed this then I suggest you open your eyes and have a good look around.

 

[Serveto]

Maybe, but I would rather raise a kid now then 300 years ago or even the 1950s. The culture is sick but a gross-out comedy sketch on AM drive time radio or some BDSM references in pop songs isn't really the problem. You have any idea what guys in Wall Street and Corporate Executives do? What is truly immoral, what is the actual cause for all the perceived problems that this forum discusses are all from capitalism.

I think you know history well enough to know that when historians discuss the rise of Hitler's brown shirts, they usually do so by placing it within the context of what they call the "decadence" of pre-war Berlin. That decadence, it seems to me, was nothing compared to that which we see daily and is being promoted, yes by capitalists who enrich themselves by it, but often by Left-liberals in Hollywood and beyond.

I watch the rise of the alt-right here in America and the far right in Europe, listen to their grumblings, at times hateful, and see history very likely starting to repeat itself, this time on a massive, grand scale. They are pissed. They are looking for "root causes," as are you, apparently, and they are not always concluding that the cause is Capitalism. I don't know what the root cause is, but I do know, or at least I suspect, that to do and say nothing in the face of universal, wanton decadence quite possibly fuels the fascist reformation. I find it a personal predicament on my part because I despise fascism, deplore the overly strict moralism associated with Puritans, encourage artistry protected by free speech Amendments, etc., but do also lament if the only ones who use the First Amendment turn out to be pornographers and engineers of pop culture.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

As pointless statements go this is pretty impressive.

You haven't got the option of raising kids in a bygone era. This is the here and now. As swiftly as you dismiss a very.pertinent post by.@Serveto with some extremely salient.points with a simple ",maybe" you then blatantly try turn this into some type of political debate and bring up socialism.

Society is in moral decline, look at the mainstream.music industry and tell me it is not.

Things have changed, if you haven't noticed this then I suggest you open your eyes and have a good look around.

Say what you will but I am capable of having a discussion with @Serveto I don't always agree with him but I do respect him. In decline by what standards? We were marrying off half our species as soon they had a menstrual cycle and this was acceptable to all branches of society. So in a lot of ways we are more "moral". A lot of things that were totally cool back in the 50's are rightly considered moral wrongs now. Society doesn't progress so much as it moves sideways. The real problems have always been concentrated economic and political power and if anyone wants a change they will address both.

 

[Awoken2]

In decline by what standards?

We now have 10 year.old boys dressed in drag dancing on a bar for the entertainment of adults.

We now have satanic ritual abuse images played over pop songs as a form of entertainment.

The most.powerful man in the world is a known associate of a registered p***phile.

A growing number of adults are struggling to tell the difference between good and bad as your posts clearly demonstrate.

I could go on....and on..... and on..... but if you don't get the picture now you ain't never going to get it.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

I think you know history well enough to know that when historians discuss the rise of Hitler's brown shirts, they usually do so by placing it within the context of what they call the "decadence" of pre-war Berlin. That decadence, it seems to me, was nothing compared to that which we see daily and is being promoted, yes by capitalists who enrich themselves by it, but often by Left-liberals in Hollywood and beyond.

Or did the so-called "decadence" act as a scapegoat for reactionary elements of German Society, such as the religious? The Germans paid a heavy price for WWI (perhaps rightly so) and a conqueror's attitude led to a ton of problems in Post WWI Germany that gave rise to Nazism so.....people will resort to vice and "earthly pleasures" when economic conditions are bad. Look, its not my business if my neighbor likes to be tied up and whipped, or even as disgusting as it is, defecated upon. Those will always be a small percentage of people and its not enough for me to call a moral panic. Left-Liberals in Hollywood are pretty much all capitalists themselves. "Leftism" is so much more than social issues (even if what passes as left in America is correct on them).

I watch the rise of the alt-right here in America and the far right in Europe, listen to their grumblings, at times hateful, and see history very likely starting to repeat itself, this time on a massive, grand scale. They are pissed. They are looking for "root causes," as are you, apparently, and they are not always concluding that the cause is Capitalism. I don't know what the root cause is, but I do know, or at least I suspect, that to do and say nothing in the face of universal, wanton decadence quite possibly fuels the fascist reformation. I find it a personal predicament on my part because I despise fascism, deplore the overly strict moralism associated with Puritans, encourage artistry protected by free speech Amendments, etc., but do also lament if the only ones who use the First Amendment turn out to be pornographers and engineers of pop culture.

Yes and they see the root cause in "a retreat from the Bible", they see it in the "decadence (code for LGBT?)" in society, or they see it in those with darker skin tones. Reactionaries. I guess my point here Serve, is that why is sex a bigger sign of societal decay than say predatory lending, underpaying your employees, or bank fraud? Why is sex a bigger sign of societal decay then violence? ( The vast majority of which is committed by men upon women, but if you talk about that you're a fuckin feminist)

I look forward as always to your response.

Trotsky would have fucked Germany up before the WW2 started, good or bad, that problem would have been put down.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

We now have 10 year.old boys dressed in drag dancing on a bar for the entertainment of adults.

tens of thousands of years as females as our property > 1 10 year old drag performer

We now have satanic ritual abuse images played over pop songs as a form of entertainment.

Satanic Ritual Abuse is a deliberate hoax done by the Government to cast superstitious bull shit to obfuscate the truth of actual covert experimentation.

.

The most.powerful man in the world is a known associate of a registered p***phile.

I agree, but google Claudius, Emperor of Rome sometime.

A growing number of adults are struggling to tell the difference between good and bad as your posts clearly demonstrate.

Since prophets of all times have asked that question, what is the difference between good and evil?

I think we all agree that violence on others is evil, beyond that's is pretty fucking murky.

I could go on....and on..... and on..... but if you don't get the picture now you ain't never going to get it.

Likewise.

 

[Serveto]

Thank you for respecting me @Colonel Valerio and know that the respect is returned in kind, even when we disagree. For too long, when you were on as TMT, I was on my guard with you, and that only because I knew what it stood for and am no fan of the man. I wholeheartedly embrace your new Tolstoyesque Christian-anarcho persona and my sword is no longer drawn.

Or did the so-called "decadence" act as a scapegoat for reactionary elements of German Society, such as the religious? The Germans paid a heavy price for WWI (perhaps rightly so) and a conqueror's attitude led to a ton of problems in Post WWI Germany that gave rise to Nazism so.....people will resort to vice and "earthly pleasures" when economic conditions are bad.

Whatever the causes, it's just interesting to note the parallels between pre-war Berlin, the moral turpitude, at least as it was considered by the bourgeois, predominantly Christian masses, to say nothing of historians themselves, and that which is being promoted in the videos to which @Awoken2 is drawing our attention.

Look, its not my business if my neighbor likes to be tied up and whipped, or even as disgusting as it is, defecated upon. Those will always be a small percentage of people and its not enough for me to call a moral panic.

It's not my business either, but this wasn't my neighbor. It was broadcast on FM radio, by a bunch of Howard Stern, the alt-right would, of course, say ((Howard Stern)), wannabes, and it was broadcast during the peak of commuter hours, when children were being bused to school and I was driving to work. It put me less into a moral panic than a state of absolute revulsion at the vulgarity passing itself off as apparently acceptable humor. I say apparent humor because the canned laughter in the background, combined with the shock jocks, indicated it was thought to be funny.

Left-Liberals in Hollywood are pretty much all capitalists themselves.

Amen.

"Leftism" is so much more than social issues (even if what passes as left in America is correct on them).

I think it is correct on some, in fact many of them. I waffle, being neither Left nor Right, nor even centrist. I think I defy category. I certainly recognize when the Left has what I consider to be the best, most viable answers, and that is often in Israel and the Middle East, as we have discussed elsewhere.

Yes and they see the root cause in "a retreat from the Bible", they see it in the "decadence (code for LGBT?)" in society, or they see it in those with darker skin tones.

Good points and right on. Most of the far right in Europe, the guys I have been reading, are irreligious, or a-religious, seeing Catholicism, the "religion of Europe," as being essentially a Semitic and thus suspect religion which promotes and encourages what they despise: deracinated universalism. And yes, for the most part, they aren't very gay friendly.

Reactionaries. I guess my point here Serve, is that why is sex a bigger sign of societal decay than say predatory lending, underpaying your employees, or bank fraud? Why is sex a bigger sign of societal decay then violence? ( The vast majority of which is committed by men upon women, but if you talk about that you're a fuckin feminist)

That's an excellent question. I asked my dad, when I was coming of age, why I was not permitted to watch people making love, couples embracing, but was allowed to watch as many war movies as I wanted. I don't remember what the answer was, but it could be asked of this culture as a whole. If you are in the fight for women's equality, I say more power to you. So am I.

Back to sex. I think there are still a lot of residual "sacramental" issues attached to sexuality; it is still somewhat enshrined in mystery. I get the impression that many on the Left want to rid the sexual act of this "superstition" and make it as commonplace, and as rid of taboos, as eating: to make it recreative rather than procreative. And they might succeed.

I look forward as always to your response.

Thank you and likewise. We are taking the discussion somewhat far afield, but I ask @Awoken2 's permission. I think we can get it back to predictive programming and the cultural mind-fuck before too long.

Trotsky would have fucked Germany up before the WW2 started, good or bad, that problem would have been put down.

Hitler, as I recall, was in part reacting not only to the decadence of Berlin but also to Kurt Eisner's, or, as the alt-right would put it, ((Kurt Eisner's)) soviet which had been established in Bavaria, but that is another story, for another time.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Thank you for respecting me @Colonel Valerio and know that the respect is returned in kind, even when we disagree. For too long, when you were on as TMT, I was on my guard with you, and that only because I knew what it stood for and am no fan of the man. I wholeheartedly embrace your new Tolstoyesque Christian-anarcho persona and my sword is no longer drawn.

Thank you. I was pretty angry (and drunk) during that time, I saw where the "truth movement" went with the rise of Trump, and once again saw the rank hypocrisy of the religious right, so I chose what was opposite of that. I will maintain that AC is a convenient scapegoat for societies ills. He was also a good writer and I do see why creative types admire him. I also still maintain RAW's "maybe logic" which technically will make me an agnostic, but Tolstoy's Christianity, and Anarcho-Christianity as a whole, as the most moral philosophy I have ever encountered, as personified by the life of Dorothy Day ( who should be a Saint but wouldn't want the honor). That said I have no idea what happens after we die.

It's not my business either, but this wasn't my neighbor. It was broadcast on FM radio, by a bunch of Howard Stern, the alt-right would, of course, say ((Howard Stern)), wannabes, and it was broadcast during the peak of commuter hours, when children were being bused to school and I was driving to work. It put me less into a moral panic than a state of absolute revulsion at the vulgarity passing itself off as apparently acceptable humor. I say apparent humor because the canned laughter in the background, combined with the shock jocks, indicated it was thought to be funny.

Well apparently they can get enough people to listen to stay on the air. I'd assume its target audience is bunch of ex-frat boys. I mean ill agree with you that advertising is psychological warfare. I just see it as a symptom of a greater problem which to me will always lead to economics.

I think it is correct on some, in fact many of them. I waffle, being neither Left nor Right, nor even centrist. I think I defy category. I certainly recognize when the Left has what I consider to be the best, most viable answers, and that is often in Israel and the Middle East, as we have discussed elsewhere.

I'd be interested to hear you elaborate on where you stand politically. Maybe you could post in on the political compass thread? Look, I grew up just a few miles away from one of the worst labor massacres in US history and beyond geopolitics the true left is right in that all struggle is class struggle. We have never truly grown out of feudalism.

T

Good points and right on. Most of the far right in Europe, the guys I have been reading, are irreligious, or a-religious, seeing Catholicism, the "religion of Europe," as being essentially a Semitic and thus suspect religion which promotes and encourages what they despise: deracinated universalism. And yes, for the most part, they aren't very gay friendly.

I believe you. However in the US the far-right comes carrying a cross. I think Bishop Spong is right when he says that are moral ways for both straights and gays to have sex, i'll elaborate further down

That's an excellent question. I asked my dad, when I was coming of age, why I was not permitted to watch people making love, couples embracing, but was permitted to watch as many war movies as I wanted. I don't remember what the answer was, but it could be asked of this culture as a whole. If you are in the fight for women's equality, I say more power to you. So am I.

Back to sex. I think there are still a lot of residual "sacramental" issues attached to sexuality; it is still somewhat enshrined in mystery. I get the impression that many on the Left want to rid the sexual act of this "superstition" and make it as commonplace, and as rid of taboos, as eating: to make it recreative rather than procreative. And they might succeed.

Yes it is a worthy question. One of my favorite movies is about pornographer Larry Flynt ( this is in no way an endorsement of him ) but there is a very powerful scene where this portrayed showing war footage vis-à-vis erotic photos.

Well, I think it can be a good recreationally activity but there is emotion attached to it so in a sense I agree with you. I think it is unfortunate that intimacy has been put on the back burner, as that it really what makes sex special. I don't think strict rules for ancient societies have to govern this conduct though. I think capitalism and consumerism creates an artificiality that leaves us feeling empty, and so a lot of us engage is sexual recklessness. I don't really have any hang-ups but I will concede that soo many people act recklessly and don't take it seriously enough. This goes for all consenting sexual persuasions.

Thank you and likewise. We are taking the discussion somewhat far afield, but I ask @Awoken2 's permission. I think we can get it back to predictive programming and the cultural mind-fuck before too long.

Hitler, as I recall, was in part reacting not only to the decadence of Berlin but also to Kurt Eisner's, or, as the alt-right would put it, ((Kurt Eisner's) soviet which had been established in Munich, but that is another story, for another time.

Well, I think its messed up that you hear shitting on glass tables on shock jock radio. I think you over-estimate it societal impact but I mean I don't disagree with you that its not the place. Unfortunately there is a market for us which takes us back to you-know-where.

Well Eisner was a scapegoat too, but Hitler was right to fear the revolution. For all that went wrong and all the blood that was shed, the Elites were terrified of the Russian Revolution. More so than what happened in 1776, or 1789. I am not saying that Bolshevism was this in practice, but a true workers revolution is the only thing that scares the elites.

I wont sidetrack this thread any longer, adios amigo!

 

[Aero]

There is nothing wrong with optimism. And I'm a little bit amazed having to be the one to write that.

What I've found is that people often view the world through a lens. So all we can really do is try to counter and inject some kind of new idea into that lens. I suppose no idea is really "new" but I think there's always a new way to approach any situation.

Now personally if it was me who got to deliver a message to the "cabal". It would be simple. I would be like look man. Tell us about the fucking aliens or I'm going to hurt you. And they would probably say we thought you already knew. Then I would counter saying it doesn't matter what I know or don't know. People deserve the truth.

I can't make anyone accept the fact that the Sumerians knew about gene editing 6,000 years ago. We may be the afterbirth of a far more advanced civilization. Did you know? This is just one of the many secrets being kept from us. Plus I've barely even explored how the Sumerians knew what they knew.

My theory is they found or were given a real connection to God. Something definitive that was clearly replicated. Then they went so far as to fully submit to gene editing being their mission on Earth. Yes, they would ascend to some astral plane that people think is literally planet X. Of course, depending on your perspective this is either insane or genius.

I can think of several reasons why God would unleash such things upon us. But the obvious thing is what I've felt since I was a kid. Life is a test, and a very elaborately constructed one at that. Therefore the world can't actually end, and our struggles do have some purpose. Like I know that everyone is on their own quest to perfection. The very nature of such a thing assures dire circumstances and outright chaos.

 

[Awoken2]

tens of thousands of years as females as our property > 1 10 year old drag performer



Satanic Ritual Abuse is a deliberate hoax done by the Government to cast superstitious bull shit to obfuscate the truth of actual covert experimentation.


I agree, but google Claudius, Emperor of Rome sometime.



Since prophets of all times have asked that question, what is the difference between good and evil?

I think we all agree that violence on others is evil, beyond that's is pretty fucking murky.



Likewise.

Time for a trip down memory lane.....are we seeing any "familiar charachters" here do you think or is it just coincidental?

Let's look at a post from May 2015 from a forum called Truthzone.....

"I remember that thread.

The Vig groupies went nuts. They'd never attack Daciple though, he'd tear them to pieces.

If I recall, supposed, 19 year old strict Muslim from Manchester, "Hex", yes my German friends, he called himself, Hex, .... who lived at home with mum and dad and rejected Islam to become a New Age blavastkyite ... at 19 ... and who was then handed the role of the I Am equivalent. .. at 19 .... handed the site admin role by "a Canadian he had never met but who entrusted the forum in his own name to him" .... at 19 ... shut the thread down by locking it then "cleansing" it of unsavory posts ... as Hex .. often did.

As would his lap dog mod buddy "Loki" ... thd cultural Marxist Zhiba equivalent who "had nothing better to do" than moderate ... for years .. the VC forum under 2 pseudonyms - Grey Sanity then Loki ... even through site pull down and resurrection ... even though he rejected all major themes that were discussed on the forum. Ie MK Ultra, religion and the evil of Talmudic Jewry ... whilst actively pushing feminism and gay rights. .. how Obamarama he was"

There's nothing new under the sun eh Colonel?

*source* https://truth-zone.net/forum/the-lounge/63123-vigilant-citizen-forum.html

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Time for a trip down memory lane.....are we seeing any "familiar charachters" here do you think or is it just coincidental?

Let's look at a post from May 2015 from a forum called Truthzone.....

"I remember that thread.

The Vig groupies went nuts. They'd never attack Daciple though, he'd tear them to pieces.

If I recall, supposed, 19 year old strict Muslim from Manchester, "Hex", yes my German friends, he called himself, Hex, .... who lived at home with mum and dad and rejected Islam to become a New Age blavastkyite ... at 19 ... and who was then handed the role of the I Am equivalent. .. at 19 .... handed the site admin role by "a Canadian he had never met but who entrusted the forum in his own name to him" .... at 19 ... shut the thread down by locking it then "cleansing" it of unsavory posts ... as Hex .. often did.

As would his lap dog mod buddy "Loki" ... thd cultural Marxist Zhiba equivalent who "had nothing better to do" than moderate ... for years .. the VC forum under 2 pseudonyms - Grey Sanity then Loki ... even through site pull down and resurrection ... even though he rejected all major themes that were discussed on the forum. Ie MK Ultra, religion and the evil of Talmudic Jewry ... whilst actively pushing feminism and gay rights. .. how Obamarama he was"

There's nothing new under the sun eh Colonel?

*source* https://truth-zone.net/forum/the-lounge/63123-vigilant-citizen-forum.html

What the hell are you going on about?

 

[MP3D]

Yet another wall of utter dross. It's amazing how much effort you put into your little essays but when it comes down to answering a few simple questions you scamper off down your rabbit hole to appear later in another garden munching their lettuce.

Your credibity is zero right now.

been saying this for a while now about mecca

 

[Awoken2]

What the hell are you going on about?

I thought that would have been patently obvious. There appears to be some remarkable similarities from posters back in 2015 on this forum with certain posters today....don't ya think?

....or is it the Mandela effect....or Groundhog day....or.....

 

[TempestOfTempo]

tens of thousands of years as females as our property > 1 10 year old drag performer



Satanic Ritual Abuse is a deliberate hoax done by the Government to cast superstitious bull shit to obfuscate the truth of actual covert experimentation.


I agree, but google Claudius, Emperor of Rome sometime.



Since prophets of all times have asked that question, what is the difference between good and evil?

I think we all agree that violence on others is evil, beyond that's is pretty fucking murky.



Likewise.

"tens of thousands of years as females as our property"
What does that have to do with the topic?
"> 1 10 year old drag performer"
So you feel as though there is a hierarchy of "ownage" here? That is pretty disgusting on its own.
The fact that there are numerous "drag kids" who are not even teenagers yet and the fact that they perform for grown men in adult, sexually fueled environments, sometimes for money, has already been addressed and proven on this site.
"Satanic Ritual Abuse is a deliberate hoax"
Even the fact that this is a well documented phenomenon doesn't move you eh? So what is the "covert experimentation" that the US government is using SRA to "cover up" in your estimation?
What does an emperor of ancient Rome have to do w/the discussion?

 

[Awoken2]

tens of thousands of years as females as our property > 1 10 year old drag performer

Whoooah hold on tiger!

The number of young children satisfying the perversions of morally reprehensible adults is considerably more than one, that is an insult to every victimised and preyed upon child out there. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to minimise a very serious issue in today's society. And what the hell has women's rights got to do with this topic anyway?

Satanic Ritual Abuse is a deliberate hoax done by the Government to cast superstitious bull shit to obfuscate the truth of actual covert experimentation.

This is an amazing revelation. So obviously with all these fake victims speaking out, fake whistleblowers and fake testimonies you must have some pretty devastating proof to back that up with. Let's be seeing some of It then.

agree, but google Claudius, Emperor of Rome sometime

Is that how you measure everything,? Gee that must pretty much mean you can get away with doing anything then?......because the Romans did!?!?!.... try evolving for a bit please.

Since prophets of all times have asked that question, what is the difference between good and evil?

As profound as you want to make it, sexualizing kids is bad but you just see it that little bit differently don't you?....which is not good......how simple was that?

Now this whole thing coukd have been avoided if you would have drawn up that definitive list of real conspiracy theories which I asked you for but you failed to deliver. You're all talk ain't you?

 

[mecca]

been saying this for a while now about mecca

Excuse me but you're actually almost never on this forum and you rarely contribute anything more than one sentence every few months. You haven't been saying anything "for a while". You can't randomly drop in to fling insults without any substance. It's rude and uncalled for since I actually put effort into clearly conveying my ideas/opinions on this forum. Just because you disagree with me, doesn't mean that everything I write about is wrong or useless.