Pope Francis - Man of Mystery

[Infinityloop]

The Word wasn't spoken into existence....it is timeless and has no beginning.
The way I understand it in this way...
There is nothing past present or future that God doesn't already know. God is eternal therefore everything He knows is eternal. The entire creation exists in His knowledge by extension all things are also eternal.

"The Word" is Logos in Greek philosophy, practically employed as a kind of demiurge concept by many Platonists and even Hellenic Jews. The interesting thing there is that the Gnostic cosmology with the evil demiurge demon Yaltabaoth (identified as YWHW/yahweh/"the god of the old testament") is that it does map onto both the canonical NT gospel of John as well as the Apocalypse of St John very well.
The Logos is employed in John as a creative force which creates the world, the thing there is in Gnosticism then you have Jesus which comes from not Yaltabaoth/YHWH but the "God-beyond-God" which is The One, The Monad, or just "God". It is interesting how Jesus, even though he is supposedly speaking to an audience of other Jews in the NT, he always refers to "The Father" (Patera, or Πατέρα ) which is quite an interesting thing - when you take out of the picture the accumulated Early Church development in doctrines (embodied in the Nicene Creed). From the NT "gospels" (as they're just biographies...), the contents in there themselves definitely does leave one wondering.
The very fact though that concepts from Greek Philosophy made their way into the NT (often in quite hard-to-not-see ways) does create all kinds of questions, afterall, maybe following Jesus is truly becoming a Platonist afterall?

 

[DavidSon]

This video is a pretty weak reasoning.

I'm still shocked there are people who base their lives, thoughts, and attention on the book of Revelation. How different would the outlook of Christians be if the RCC had chosen any number of other apocalyptic revelations instead?

The theory of the threat of a one world religion comes from right wing Evangelicals like Pat Robertson. It's another fantastical diversion from the real corrupt actions of the elite we see played out daily.

In principle there should be a coalition between Islam and Christianity. They make up around 4 billion people, over 1/2 the worlds population. We should work together to eradicate economic inequality and illiteracy for starters.

The true danger in this discussion is the sanhedrin. Remember the tribunal that put Jesus to death? Judaism is a tiny fraction in terms of world religion; Hinduism is actually far more representative voice. What these extremist Rabbis are asking is for the world to sign off on the fantasy of Zionism. I refuse to bow to their satanic declaration as judges of the world, to a split code for Jews and then Goyim after. They are robbers and human rights abusers, nothing more.

If you notice at the end the author's real concern is there's no mention in either document about Jesus. And? It's just egotism, that the master who's brought you closer to God isn't named... what does that have to do with righteousness, equality, and world peace? Do people honestly think He wanted His name praised over the legitimate works of God?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

If you notice at the end the author's real concern is there's no mention in either document about Jesus. And? It's just egotism, that the master who's brought you closer to God isn't named... what does that have to do with righteousness, equality, and world peace? Do people honestly think He wanted His name praised over the legitimate works of God?

I guess Jesus is either “the Way, the Truth and the Life” or he isn’t...

Those who reject the Atonement and doubt the veracity of Revelation might (if Pat Robertson types turn out to be right ;-) be the ones left behind to see the one-world religion coalesce.

If I don’t happen to be here when that occurs, I hope at least some people here might review their position on their understanding of the Gospel.

May the Lord bless you and guide you, @DavidSon

 

[Frank Badfinger]

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Pope Francis Invites Political Leaders To Sign ‘Global Pact’
"Reinventing the Global Educational Alliance"
by Paul Bois
September 16, 2019

Further signaling his acceptance of globalism during an age of increased nationalism, Pope Francis has now invited leaders to sign a "Global Pact" to create a "new humanism."

"The global event, set to take place at the Vatican on May 14, 2020, is themed 'Reinventing the Global Educational Alliance,'" reports LifeSiteNews. "The Pope is inviting representatives of the main religions, international organizations and various humanitarian institutions, as well as key figures from the world of politics, economics and academia, and prominent athletes, scientists and sociologists to sign a 'Global Pact on Education' so as to 'hand on to younger generations a united and fraternal common home.'"

On September 12, the Holy Father said in a video message that "universal solidarity" can only be achieved by way of a "global education pact."

LifeSiteNews noted that Pope Francis issued a "strikingly secular message" on the pact that contained just one reference to God and even echoed former First Lady Hillary Clinton's favorite phrase: "It takes a village to raise a child."

"This [Global Pact] will result in men and women who are open, responsible, prepared to listen, dialogue and reflect with others, and capable of weaving relationships with families, between generations, and with civil society, and thus to create a new humanism," said Pope Francis.

The Pope added that an "alliance" must be formed "between the earth's inhabitants and our 'common home,' which we are bound to care for and respect. An alliance that generates peace, justice and hospitality among all peoples of the human family, as well as dialogue between religions."

The Pope's invitation to a "Global Pact" echoes his recent declaration that the "common good has become global" while criticizing the nation-state for being unable to meet this human need. He, however, did not issue a call for a one-world government.

"In the current situation of globalization not only of the economy but also of technological and cultural exchanges, the nation-state is no longer able to procure the common good of its population alone," Pope Francis told the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences in May. "While, according to the principle of subsidiarity, individual nations must be given the power to operate as far as they can, on the other hand, groups of neighboring nations — as is already the case — can strengthen their cooperation by attributing the exercise of certain functions and services to intergovernmental institutions that manage their common interests."

In what was seen as a veiled critique of the pope's stance, Cardinal Raymond Burke later told Rome Life Forum that natural law permits patriotism "in accord with the order written upon the human heart" and "does not make just and legitimate a single global government."

"Before the challenges of our time, there are those who propose and work for a single global government, that is, for the elimination of individual national governments, so that all of humanity would be under the control of a single political authority," said Burke. "For those who are convinced that the only way to achieve the common good is the concentration of all government in a single authority, loyalty to one’s homeland or patriotism has become an evil."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/51790/pope-francis-invites-political-leaders-sign-global-paul-bois

 

[Douglas Summers]

Pope Francis Invites Political Leaders To Sign ‘Global Pact’
"Reinventing the Global Educational Alliance"
by Paul Bois
September 16, 2019

Further signaling his acceptance of globalism during an age of increased nationalism, Pope Francis has now invited leaders to sign a "Global Pact" to create a "new humanism."

"The global event, set to take place at the Vatican on May 14, 2020, is themed 'Reinventing the Global Educational Alliance,'" reports LifeSiteNews. "The Pope is inviting representatives of the main religions, international organizations and various humanitarian institutions, as well as key figures from the world of politics, economics and academia, and prominent athletes, scientists and sociologists to sign a 'Global Pact on Education' so as to 'hand on to younger generations a united and fraternal common home.'"

On September 12, the Holy Father said in a video message that "universal solidarity" can only be achieved by way of a "global education pact."

LifeSiteNews noted that Pope Francis issued a "strikingly secular message" on the pact that contained just one reference to God and even echoed former First Lady Hillary Clinton's favorite phrase: "It takes a village to raise a child."

"This [Global Pact] will result in men and women who are open, responsible, prepared to listen, dialogue and reflect with others, and capable of weaving relationships with families, between generations, and with civil society, and thus to create a new humanism," said Pope Francis.

The Pope added that an "alliance" must be formed "between the earth's inhabitants and our 'common home,' which we are bound to care for and respect. An alliance that generates peace, justice and hospitality among all peoples of the human family, as well as dialogue between religions."

The Pope's invitation to a "Global Pact" echoes his recent declaration that the "common good has become global" while criticizing the nation-state for being unable to meet this human need. He, however, did not issue a call for a one-world government.

"In the current situation of globalization not only of the economy but also of technological and cultural exchanges, the nation-state is no longer able to procure the common good of its population alone," Pope Francis told the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences in May. "While, according to the principle of subsidiarity, individual nations must be given the power to operate as far as they can, on the other hand, groups of neighboring nations — as is already the case — can strengthen their cooperation by attributing the exercise of certain functions and services to intergovernmental institutions that manage their common interests."

In what was seen as a veiled critique of the pope's stance, Cardinal Raymond Burke later told Rome Life Forum that natural law permits patriotism "in accord with the order written upon the human heart" and "does not make just and legitimate a single global government."

"Before the challenges of our time, there are those who propose and work for a single global government, that is, for the elimination of individual national governments, so that all of humanity would be under the control of a single political authority," said Burke. "For those who are convinced that the only way to achieve the common good is the concentration of all government in a single authority, loyalty to one’s homeland or patriotism has become an evil."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/51790/pope-francis-invites-political-leaders-sign-global-paul-bois

The first Global government was Rome (The wounded beast) Which never ceased to exist, but was broken up into smaller colonies. The Beast that was thought to be dead (Rome) is healing it's wounds, but will not stand. For while the Pope may at some time become head of the nations, by claiming to bring peace to the world, there will become great tribulation to the world for all nations will not accept this beast to be worshiped. The mix of miry clay and iron will not mix (cohere together), And then Christ (The stone cut out of the mountain without hands) and set up the Kingdom of God that shall never be destroyed. (Daniel 2:31-35)

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A convergence of faiths?

 

[DUSTY]

He's a mess. He's not Catholic. He's an enemy of the United States. And he's a NWO player.

 

[saki]

https://spectator.org/the-strange-gods-of-pope-francis/#.XZ6-pxOrtD4.twitter

The Strange Gods of Pope Francis

His project is to weaken Catholic faith while strengthening the UN-Vatican alliance.

by GEORGE NEUMAYR

October 10, 2019, 12:04 AM

Francis addresses the UN General Assembly in 2015 (YouTube screenshot)

Tourists in Rome are long familiar with the image of Romulus and Remus suckling the teats of a wolf. But this week visitors to the Pan-Amazon Synod encountered a new image: an Amazonian mother suckling a dog. That picture hangs in a church next to the Vatican: Santa Maria in Traspontina. I wandered into it the other day and was struck by the jarring contrast between its stunning Baroque interior and the bonkers propaganda plastered on and near its walls. Much of the church had been turned into a shrine to the plight and nature-worship of Amazonians. Beneath the picture of the woman nursing a dog (while carrying a baby), a poster declares fatuously, “Everything is Connected.”

The poster captures the sheer obnoxiousness of the pope’s “ecological” kick. What a dismal devolution Rome has suffered under him. What will he do next? Turn the Pantheon back into a pagan temple? Why not? If Amazonian pantheism is a “religious experience” worthy of Catholic respect, why not revive ancient paganism, too? Perhaps the pope’s next synod can rehabilitate Nero.

Stripped of all of its pious cant, the pope’s Pan-Amazon Synod is nothing more than a bald violation of the First Commandment. Pope Francis is placing strange idols before the Triune God — in this case, Amazonian ones. Last week, he had a contingent of Indian activists — some of whom I have heard were flown over to Rome first-class by the German bishops — perform pagan rituals in the Vatican gardens. In that moment, every prediction of his anti-modernist predecessors came true: they all said that if the Church adopted the subjectivism of the “Enlightenment,” it would end up blessing false religions.

But more is at work here than simply the pope’s usual religious relativism. Why did he select the Amazon as his pretext to undermine doctrine and discipline? He could have chosen other remote regions. Why that one? I am told by a seasoned Vatican observer that the answer lies with the German bishops, who are largely financing this farce and its accompanying propaganda.

“This is about bringing the Vatican and the United Nations closer together,” he says. “The German bishops don’t care about Amazonian Indians, and they certainly don’t care about people not receiving the sacraments. Just look at Germany and how few people even frequent the sacraments there. What the German bishops care about is that the Church is more and more incorporated into the work of the United Nations.” The subject of suffering Amazonians is just an excuse, he says, for the “United Nations to treat the Church as one of its instruments,” with the complete backing of the Vatican.

Before the synod started, the pope had been babbling on about the binding quality of UN pronouncements. It is no coincidence that his silly gathering is crawling with UN observers, such as Jeffrey Sachs, whose consulting racket includes trying to convince dioceses and religious orders to “divest from oil companies” and the like. I have seen a number of these UN creeps self-importantly jump out of gas-guzzling SUVs near the Vatican. They don’t appear too worried about their own carbon footprint. Indeed, they always seem to be accompanied by a raft of superfluous security guards and flaks.

The Vatican is looking awful these days — graffiti, ugly cattle barricades, and a paramilitary presence, as if it is waiting any moment for an outbreak of the kind of Islamic terrorism the pope assures us doesn’t exist. At times, I feel like I am in the middle of an Italian farce. The other day I was eating next to an African priest and nun who appeared to be on a date. Sure enough, her hand slid over to his hand.

Architecturally and artistically, Rome remains a treat. But religiously, it is depressing as hell. Just stand by one of the Vatican gates and watch priests whip off their collars the moment they step outside, as if the priesthood is nothing more than a 9-to-5 job. Or sit in a café and listen to their pathetically worldly banter.

The street Borgo Pio, not far from one of the Vatican’s gates, is where many of the ecclesiastical heavies hang out. Last Sunday I saw Cardinal Seán O’Malley, Cardinal Joseph Tobin, and Bishop Robert McElroy eating dinner at one of the restaurants on the street. Here was my chance to ask them about the synod and related matters. As they ambled back to the Vatican, I caught up with them and tried to conduct a brief interview. They disdainfully begged off, with Tobin, who no doubt remembered my article about the soap actor living in his rectory, saying laughingly, “Oh, George, oh, George.” O’Malley called my questions “hostile.” McElroy, the most darkly ideological of the three, just broodingly and quietly walked away. For all their talk about “dialogue,” the last thing they wanted to do on the eve of the synod was to speak with a journalist critical of it. The synod is in effect a raised middle finger to orthodox Catholics — a declaration that everything they hold dear no longer exists at the highest levels of the Church.

The Vatican is under enemy occupation and will remain so for many years to come. There is much chatter among Vaticanistas about a “Francis II,” now that the composition of the next conclave is largely liberal. By the time his pontificate ends, Francis will likely have selected two-thirds of the cardinals. The current secretary of state, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, is thought to be the leading Francis clone. I have been told that Pope Francis is waiting for Benedict to die so that he can “then pass the pontificate to Parolin.”

Parolin is just a circumspect version of Francis. He holds the same batty views but presents them more diplomatically. Here and there one hears grumbles about the pope’s bumptiousness, but for the most part the Catholic Left is thrilled with him. The mask of modernism has been ripped off, only to reveal, in the words of Francis, an “Amazonian face,” beneath which is a UN body.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Giant Statue Of Molech Now Sits At Entrance To The Colosseum In Rome




Tourists that visit the Colosseum in Rome these days are getting quite a shock. A gigantic statue of a pagan Canaanite deity known as "Molech" has been erected right at the entrance.

In ancient times, those that served Molech would literally sacrifice their children to him, and apparently this involved burning them to death.

And now a massive statue of this pagan idol is the centerpiece of a new "archaeological exhibition" at the world famous Roman Colosseum.

Yes, the exact same Colosseum where countless numbers of Christians were martyred for their faith is now the home for one of the most monstrous pagan deities that the world has ever seen.
image: https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/images/ads/336x280.jpg



I know that this sounds almost too strange to be true, but this is actually happening. The following comes from the official press release for this "exhibition"...

A reconstruction of the terrible deity Moloch, linked to Phoenician and Carthaginian religions and featured in the 1914 film Cabiria will be stationed at the entrance to the Colosseum to welcome visitors to the exhibition.

They are referring to this enormous statue as "Moloch", but according to Wikipedia this ancient pagan god was also known as "Molech, Milcom, or Malcam"...

Moloch[a] is the biblical name of a Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice, through fire or war. The name of this deity is also sometimes spelled Molech, Milcom, or Malcam.

For purposes of this article, I will use the name "Molech", because that is the name that will be most familiar to the majority of my readers.

The organizers of this "exhibition" could have chosen to put Molech in a dark corner where nobody would have really noticed him, but instead they purposely decided to feature him in a place where 100 percent of the visitors to the Colosseum would immediately see him.

One woman that recently visited the Colosseum told LifeSiteNews what she witnessed...

"We were so excited the day we decided to go to the Colosseum," Alexandra Clark told LifeSiteNews via email. She and her sister Tiffany were looking forward to visiting the site of Christian martyrdom.

"But the moment we got there the sight that greeted us was horrifying! Standing guard over the entrance was the colossal pagan statue of Moloch. It was placed in that prime spot so that everyone that entered into the Colosseum had to pass it," she continued.

How in the world could something like this possibly be allowed?
image: https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/images/ads/TPW_Paper_500x250.jpg



And what makes this even more shocking is that the Colosseum is actually controlled by the Vatican. The following comes from Breaking Israel News...

A source close to the matter told Breaking Israel News that: "There is no way that such a thing could be done without direct permission from the highest levels of the Vatican. The Colloseum of Rome is owned by the Vatican, and specifically the Diocese of Rome, also called the Holy See. If anyone wants to do anything there, they must get permissions from the office of the Diocese of Rome. This exhibition, called "Cathargo: the immortal myth" could not be held there at all unless permissions were granted at high levels."

Somebody at the Vatican really messed up on this one.

This isn't just some random ancient deity. In Leviticus 18:21, the people of Israel are specifically warned against sacrificing their children to this monstrous idol...

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

And in Jeremiah 32:35, we are told that this is precisely what many of the people of Israel ended up doing as they fell away from the Lord...

And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Why in the world would anyone think that such practices are something worth celebrating?

According to the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, the way that these babies would be killed was truly horrific...

The ancients would heat this idol up with fire until it was glowing, then they would take their newborn babies, place them on the arms of the idol, and watch them burn to death. I can't help but compare today's abortion massacre to the sacrifice of children by these ancient pagans. In both, innocent life is destroyed for the gain of the parent.

Over the past few years, there seems to have been a concerted effort to put up symbols from ancient pagan religions in the Middle East in key locations all over the globe. This includes erecting the "arch of Baal" in both Washington D.C. and New York City.

But unlike some of those other ""exhibitions", this one is going to last a whole lot longer than just a few days.

In fact, we are being told that this statue of Molech will remain standing at the Colosseum in Rome until March 29, 2020...

The statue of Moloch, worshipped by both the Canaanites and the Phoenicians, is part of an exhibit dedicated to Ancient Rome's once-great rival, the city of Carthage. The large-scale exhibition, titled Carthago: The immortal myth, runs until March 29, 2020.

Interestingly, Rome was just hit by a magnitude 4.4 earthquake. It is extremely unusual for such a large quake to happen there, and it really shook a lot of people up.

I have no idea if there is any connection, but I felt that it was noteworthy enough to share with all of you.

Without a doubt, it truly is an abomination that a gigantic statue of Molech is now standing right at the entrance of the Colosseum where so many Christians were brutally slaughtered by the Romans.

Read more at https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=3579#7bLlFfx2f5CQl4rF.99

 

[Camidria]

Giant Statue Of Molech Now Sits At Entrance To The Colosseum In Rome

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Tourists that visit the Colosseum in Rome these days are getting quite a shock. A gigantic statue of a pagan Canaanite deity known as "Molech" has been erected right at the entrance.

In ancient times, those that served Molech would literally sacrifice their children to him, and apparently this involved burning them to death.

And now a massive statue of this pagan idol is the centerpiece of a new "archaeological exhibition" at the world famous Roman Colosseum.

Yes, the exact same Colosseum where countless numbers of Christians were martyred for their faith is now the home for one of the most monstrous pagan deities that the world has ever seen.
image: https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/images/ads/336x280.jpg



I know that this sounds almost too strange to be true, but this is actually happening. The following comes from the official press release for this "exhibition"...

A reconstruction of the terrible deity Moloch, linked to Phoenician and Carthaginian religions and featured in the 1914 film Cabiria will be stationed at the entrance to the Colosseum to welcome visitors to the exhibition.

They are referring to this enormous statue as "Moloch", but according to Wikipedia this ancient pagan god was also known as "Molech, Milcom, or Malcam"...

Moloch[a] is the biblical name of a Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice, through fire or war. The name of this deity is also sometimes spelled Molech, Milcom, or Malcam.

For purposes of this article, I will use the name "Molech", because that is the name that will be most familiar to the majority of my readers.

The organizers of this "exhibition" could have chosen to put Molech in a dark corner where nobody would have really noticed him, but instead they purposely decided to feature him in a place where 100 percent of the visitors to the Colosseum would immediately see him.

One woman that recently visited the Colosseum told LifeSiteNews what she witnessed...

"We were so excited the day we decided to go to the Colosseum," Alexandra Clark told LifeSiteNews via email. She and her sister Tiffany were looking forward to visiting the site of Christian martyrdom.

"But the moment we got there the sight that greeted us was horrifying! Standing guard over the entrance was the colossal pagan statue of Moloch. It was placed in that prime spot so that everyone that entered into the Colosseum had to pass it," she continued.

How in the world could something like this possibly be allowed?
image: https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/images/ads/TPW_Paper_500x250.jpg



And what makes this even more shocking is that the Colosseum is actually controlled by the Vatican. The following comes from Breaking Israel News...

A source close to the matter told Breaking Israel News that: "There is no way that such a thing could be done without direct permission from the highest levels of the Vatican. The Colloseum of Rome is owned by the Vatican, and specifically the Diocese of Rome, also called the Holy See. If anyone wants to do anything there, they must get permissions from the office of the Diocese of Rome. This exhibition, called "Cathargo: the immortal myth" could not be held there at all unless permissions were granted at high levels."

Somebody at the Vatican really messed up on this one.

This isn't just some random ancient deity. In Leviticus 18:21, the people of Israel are specifically warned against sacrificing their children to this monstrous idol...

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

And in Jeremiah 32:35, we are told that this is precisely what many of the people of Israel ended up doing as they fell away from the Lord...

And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Why in the world would anyone think that such practices are something worth celebrating?

According to the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, the way that these babies would be killed was truly horrific...

The ancients would heat this idol up with fire until it was glowing, then they would take their newborn babies, place them on the arms of the idol, and watch them burn to death. I can't help but compare today's abortion massacre to the sacrifice of children by these ancient pagans. In both, innocent life is destroyed for the gain of the parent.

Over the past few years, there seems to have been a concerted effort to put up symbols from ancient pagan religions in the Middle East in key locations all over the globe. This includes erecting the "arch of Baal" in both Washington D.C. and New York City.

But unlike some of those other ""exhibitions", this one is going to last a whole lot longer than just a few days.

In fact, we are being told that this statue of Molech will remain standing at the Colosseum in Rome until March 29, 2020...

The statue of Moloch, worshipped by both the Canaanites and the Phoenicians, is part of an exhibit dedicated to Ancient Rome's once-great rival, the city of Carthage. The large-scale exhibition, titled Carthago: The immortal myth, runs until March 29, 2020.

Interestingly, Rome was just hit by a magnitude 4.4 earthquake. It is extremely unusual for such a large quake to happen there, and it really shook a lot of people up.

I have no idea if there is any connection, but I felt that it was noteworthy enough to share with all of you.

Without a doubt, it truly is an abomination that a gigantic statue of Molech is now standing right at the entrance of the Colosseum where so many Christians were brutally slaughtered by the Romans.

Read more at https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=3579#7bLlFfx2f5CQl4rF.99

People cannot look at this and still think the RCC is christian.... ugh!

 

[JoChris]

https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/11/09/pope-excuses-idol-controversies-by-claiming-paul-built-a-bridge-with-pagans/

Pope Excuses Idol Controversies By Claiming “Paul Built a Bridge” With Pagans
BY NEWS DIVISION · PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 9, 2019 · UPDATED NOVEMBER 9, 2019

Scandals revolving around pagan imagery being used in or near the Vatican have rocked the Catholic Church recently. This is not a repeat of 1517.

After receiving criticism mostly from traditional Romanists, Pope Francis has defended his decision to engage in pagan idolatry by claiming that Paul “built a bridge” with the pagan idolaters.

During his regularly scheduled Wednesday sermon, Francis claimed that the Apostle engaged in “inculturation” with the pagan on Mars Hill, and that there was nothing wrong with surrounding yourself with idols.

The Pope said…

“Paul chose to enter into familiarity with the city and began therefore to frequent the most significant places and people…He went to the synagogue, symbol of the life of faith; he went to the town square, symbol of urban life, and he went to the Aereopagus, symbol of political and cultural life.​

Francis continued…

“In this way Paul observed the culture, observed the environment of Athens…and started from a contemplative gaze [to discover] that God who lives in His houses, in His streets, and in His squares.”​

Of course, Francis is not guilty of walking into pagan cultures with the Word of God, but bringing pagan images into (supposedly) the House of God and then worshipping them.

Francis referred to a scandal over the last few weeks in which Francis took part in pagan worship ceremony of a Brazilian fertility goddess called a Pachamama, which is a topless pregnant idol. We covered that abomination in the post, Pope Francis Worships Topless Earth Goddess with Pagan at the Vatican.

Later, Roman Catholic activists rushed the Vatican, stole the idols, and destroyed them. We covered that story in the article, Roman Catholic Protestors Throw Pope’s New Idols into the Tiber River.

The Pope referred to Paul in Acts 17, who preached to the idolaters at Mars Hill, or the Areopagus. However, Luke begins the account by writing, “Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols.”

Between the Pachamama idol and the Molech statue at the Vatican-controlled Colesseum, the Pope is actually making Vatican City and Rome cities of idols.

As Protestants, we would like to remind our conservative Roman Catholic friends that the Pope merely demonstrates that their religion is at its core thoroughly pagan. Worship (or veneration) of the Madonna is little more than the adaptation of Greek fertility religion. The Pachamama is no less offensive to God than venerated images of the Virgin Mary.

There is hope and freedom from paganism and idolatry. If you would like to leave behind Roman Catholicism and all of its various idolatries, we recommend to you the work of Mike Gendron and we encourage you to repent of your church affiliation, join the true universal church of Christ, and leave the abominations of Rome.

 

[Douglas Summers]

https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/11/09/pope-excuses-idol-controversies-by-claiming-paul-built-a-bridge-with-pagans/

Pope Excuses Idol Controversies By Claiming “Paul Built a Bridge” With Pagans
BY NEWS DIVISION · PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 9, 2019 · UPDATED NOVEMBER 9, 2019

Scandals revolving around pagan imagery being used in or near the Vatican have rocked the Catholic Church recently. This is not a repeat of 1517.

After receiving criticism mostly from traditional Romanists, Pope Francis has defended his decision to engage in pagan idolatry by claiming that Paul “built a bridge” with the pagan idolaters.

Duringhis regularly scheduled Wednesday sermon, Francis claimed that the Apostle engaged in “inculturation” with the pagan on Mars Hill, and that there was nothing wrong with surrounding yourself with idols.

The Pope said…

“Paul chose to enter into familiarity with the city and began therefore to frequent the most significant places and people…He went to the synagogue, symbol of the life of faith; he went to the town square, symbol of urban life, and he went to the Aereopagus, symbol of political and cultural life.​

Francis continued…

“In this way Paul observed the culture, observed the environment of Athens…and started from a contemplative gaze [to discover] that God who lives in His houses, in His streets, and in His squares.”​

Of course, Francis is not guilty of walking into pagan cultures with the Word of God, but bringing pagan images into (supposedly) the House of God and then worshipping them.

Francis referred to a scandal over the last few weeks in which Francis took part in pagan worship ceremony of a Brazilian fertility goddess called a Pachamama, which is a topless pregnant idol. We covered that abomination in the post, Pope Francis Worships Topless Earth Goddess with Pagan at the Vatican.

Later, Roman Catholic activists rushed the Vatican, stole the idols, and destroyed them. We covered that story in the article, Roman Catholic Protestors Throw Pope’s New Idols into the Tiber River.

The Pope referred to Paul in Acts 17, who preached to the idolaters at Mars Hill, or the Areopagus. However, Luke begins the account by writing, “Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols.”

Between the Pachamama idol and the Molech statue at the Vatican-controlled Colesseum, the Pope is actually making Vatican City and Rome cities of idols.

As Protestants, we would like to remind our conservative Roman Catholic friends that the Pope merely demonstrates that their religion is at its core thoroughly pagan. Worship (or veneration) of the Madonna is little more than the adaptation of Greek fertility religion. The Pachamama is no less offensive to God than venerated images of the Virgin Mary.

There is hope and freedom from paganism and idolatry. If you would like to leave behind Roman Catholicism and all of its various idolatries, we recommend to you the work of Mike Gendron and we encourage you to repent of your church affiliation, join the true universal church of Christ, and leave the abominations of Rome.

This sounds like the same kind of arguments and philosophy used on here by many of the religious, but not born again....carnal reasoning!

 

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https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/11/09/pope-excuses-idol-controversies-by-claiming-paul-built-a-bridge-with-pagans/

Pope Excuses Idol Controversies By Claiming “Paul Built a Bridge” With Pagans
BY NEWS DIVISION · PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 9, 2019 · UPDATED NOVEMBER 9, 2019

Scandals revolving around pagan imagery being used in or near the Vatican have rocked the Catholic Church recently. This is not a repeat of 1517.

After receiving criticism mostly from traditional Romanists, Pope Francis has defended his decision to engage in pagan idolatry by claiming that Paul “built a bridge” with the pagan idolaters.

Duringhis regularly scheduled Wednesday sermon, Francis claimed that the Apostle engaged in “inculturation” with the pagan on Mars Hill, and that there was nothing wrong with surrounding yourself with idols.

The Pope said…

“Paul chose to enter into familiarity with the city and began therefore to frequent the most significant places and people…He went to the synagogue, symbol of the life of faith; he went to the town square, symbol of urban life, and he went to the Aereopagus, symbol of political and cultural life.​

Francis continued…

“In this way Paul observed the culture, observed the environment of Athens…and started from a contemplative gaze [to discover] that God who lives in His houses, in His streets, and in His squares.”​

Of course, Francis is not guilty of walking into pagan cultures with the Word of God, but bringing pagan images into (supposedly) the House of God and then worshipping them.

Francis referred to a scandal over the last few weeks in which Francis took part in pagan worship ceremony of a Brazilian fertility goddess called a Pachamama, which is a topless pregnant idol. We covered that abomination in the post, Pope Francis Worships Topless Earth Goddess with Pagan at the Vatican.

Later, Roman Catholic activists rushed the Vatican, stole the idols, and destroyed them. We covered that story in the article, Roman Catholic Protestors Throw Pope’s New Idols into the Tiber River.

The Pope referred to Paul in Acts 17, who preached to the idolaters at Mars Hill, or the Areopagus. However, Luke begins the account by writing, “Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols.”

Between the Pachamama idol and the Molech statue at the Vatican-controlled Colesseum, the Pope is actually making Vatican City and Rome cities of idols.

As Protestants, we would like to remind our conservative Roman Catholic friends that the Pope merely demonstrates that their religion is at its core thoroughly pagan. Worship (or veneration) of the Madonna is little more than the adaptation of Greek fertility religion. The Pachamama is no less offensive to God than venerated images of the Virgin Mary.

There is hope and freedom from paganism and idolatry. If you would like to leave behind Roman Catholicism and all of its various idolatries, we recommend to you the work of Mike Gendron and we encourage you to repent of your church affiliation, join the true universal church of Christ, and leave the abominations of Rome.

What does Paganism mean to you?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What does Paganism mean to you?

One man’s pagan is another man’s “nature worshipper?”.

A Christian perspective on Paganism...

Question: "What is a pagan? What is paganism?"

Answer: From a Christian viewpoint, pagans are generally characterized as those who are caught up in any religious ceremony, act, or practice that is not distinctly Christian. Correspondingly, Jews and Muslims also use the term pagans to describe those outside their religion. Others define the term paganism as any religion outside of Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity; whereas some argue that a pagan is anyone with no religion at all.

Pagan comes from the Latin word paganus, which means “country dweller”; paganism can refer to polytheism or the worship of more than one god, such as in ancient Rome. A pagan is also considered to be one who, for the most part, has no religion and indulges in worldly delights and material possessions; someone who revels in sensual pleasures; a hedonistic or self-indulgent individual. Another, more modern term is neo-paganism, which refers to some of the contemporary forms of paganism such as Wicca, Druidry, and Gwyddon.

These modern “pagan” practices are actually similar to their ancient counterparts in that they rely heavily on hedonism—sensual gratification and self-indulgence and the pursuit of happiness and pleasure to the exclusion of everything else. In ancient times, sexual ceremonies were a major part of pagan religions. The Old Testament references these perverted religions in such passages as Deuteronomy 23:17, Amos 2:7–8, and Isaiah 57:7–8.

Though they are numerous and varied in their practices and beliefs, pagans do hold to some similar beliefs. For example:

• The physical world is a good place, one to be taken pleasure in by everyone.
• Everyone is considered to be part of this Mother Earth.
• Divinity reveals itself in every facet of the world.
• Every being, man and animal, is a derivative of the Divine. As such, all are gods and goddess.
• Most pagan religions do not have gurus or messiahs.
• Doctrine is superseded by one’s own responsibility.
• Solar and lunar cycles are significant in pagan worship.

Any form of paganism is false doctrine. Paul addressed this perversion of the truth in his letter to the believers in Rome (Romans 1:22–27). The people Paul described were worldly and materialistic, worshipping created things rather than the Creator. They worshipped trees, animals, and rocks, going so far as to abuse their bodies in deviant sexual practices to revel in their passions. Paul then goes on to tell us why they did this and the end result:

“Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done” (Romans 1:28).

In spite of common assumptions, most pagan worshippers claim they don’t believe in Satan. However, there’s no question that Satan is their chief source of influence and control. Though they will deny it, they deify him in their worldly and sensual practices. Paul tells us plainly how Satan works in the lives of people without God, through his power, his signs, his deceit, and his lies:

“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness” (2 Thessalonians 2:9–12).

That Satan is alive and well is powerfully evidenced in these pagan practices. This was not only clear in the times of the first-century church, but also in today’s postmodern world. To the faithful believers who know the Lord, pagan worship is what it appears to be—the power and deceit of the prince of this world, Satan (1 John 5:19), who “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). As such, paganism should be avoided.

https://www.gotquestions.org/pagan-paganism.html

 

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One man’s pagan is another man’s “nature worshipper?”.

A Christian perspective on Paganism...

Question: "What is a pagan? What is paganism?"

Answer: From a Christian viewpoint, pagans are generally characterized as those who are caught up in any religious ceremony, act, or practice that is not distinctly Christian. Correspondingly, Jews and Muslims also use the term pagans to describe those outside their religion. Others define the term paganism as any religion outside of Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity; whereas some argue that a pagan is anyone with no religion at all.

Pagan comes from the Latin word paganus, which means “country dweller”; paganism can refer to polytheism or the worship of more than one god, such as in ancient Rome. A pagan is also considered to be one who, for the most part, has no religion and indulges in worldly delights and material possessions; someone who revels in sensual pleasures; a hedonistic or self-indulgent individual. Another, more modern term is neo-paganism, which refers to some of the contemporary forms of paganism such as Wicca, Druidry, and Gwyddon.

These modern “pagan” practices are actually similar to their ancient counterparts in that they rely heavily on hedonism—sensual gratification and self-indulgence and the pursuit of happiness and pleasure to the exclusion of everything else. In ancient times, sexual ceremonies were a major part of pagan religions. The Old Testament references these perverted religions in such passages as Deuteronomy 23:17, Amos 2:7–8, and Isaiah 57:7–8.

Though they are numerous and varied in their practices and beliefs, pagans do hold to some similar beliefs. For example:

• The physical world is a good place, one to be taken pleasure in by everyone.
• Everyone is considered to be part of this Mother Earth.
• Divinity reveals itself in every facet of the world.
• Every being, man and animal, is a derivative of the Divine. As such, all are gods and goddess.
• Most pagan religions do not have gurus or messiahs.
• Doctrine is superseded by one’s own responsibility.
• Solar and lunar cycles are significant in pagan worship.

Any form of paganism is false doctrine. Paul addressed this perversion of the truth in his letter to the believers in Rome (Romans 1:22–27). The people Paul described were worldly and materialistic, worshipping created things rather than the Creator. They worshipped trees, animals, and rocks, going so far as to abuse their bodies in deviant sexual practices to revel in their passions. Paul then goes on to tell us why they did this and the end result:

“Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done” (Romans 1:28).

In spite of common assumptions, most pagan worshippers claim they don’t believe in Satan. However, there’s no question that Satan is their chief source of influence and control. Though they will deny it, they deify him in their worldly and sensual practices. Paul tells us plainly how Satan works in the lives of people without God, through his power, his signs, his deceit, and his lies:

“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness” (2 Thessalonians 2:9–12).

That Satan is alive and well is powerfully evidenced in these pagan practices. This was not only clear in the times of the first-century church, but also in today’s postmodern world. To the faithful believers who know the Lord, pagan worship is what it appears to be—the power and deceit of the prince of this world, Satan (1 John 5:19), who “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). As such, paganism should be avoided.

https://www.gotquestions.org/pagan-paganism.html

Basically, all I am seeing here is ideological assumptions and projections here, framed within Christian dualism nonetheless.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Basically, all I am seeing here is ideological assumptions and projections here, framed within Christian dualism nonetheless.

"Come, come," said the jailor. "You must know your catechisms by now. You, there" (and he pointed to a prisoner little older than a boy whose name was Master Parrot), "what is argument?"
"Argument," said Master Parrot, "is the attempted rationalisation of the arguer's desires."
"Very good," replied the jailor, "but you should turn out your toes and put your hands behind your back. That is better. Now: what is the proper answer to an argument proving the existence of the Landlord?"
"The proper answer is , 'You say that because you are a Steward.'"
"good boy. But hold your head up. That's right. And what is the answer to an argument proving that Mr Phally's songs are just as brown as Mr Halfways'?"
"There are two only generally necessary to damnation," said Master Parrot. "The first is, 'You say that because you are a Puritanian,' and the second is, 'You say that because you are a sensualist.'"
"Good. Now just one more. What is the answer to an argument turning on the belief that two and two make four?"
"The answer is, 'You say that because you are a mathematician.'"
"You are a very good boy," said the jailor. "And when I come back I shall bring you something nice. And now for you," he added, giving John a kick and opening the grating.

~ C.S. Lewis, The Pilgrims Regress

 

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Honestly I hardly find it surprising, as the Abrahamic Prophetic tradition is conventionally antagonistic towards "Paganism" for better or worse (I see it as more worse, because it is the promotion of ignorance over understanding).
Aside from that the word "Pagan" itself is meaningless, really, it's a pejorative created by Christianity (Catholicism) specifically.

I don't think you Christians understand your meme-creating power. You've done this numerous times without realizing it. Without Christianity and it's influence there would be no such thing as "Neopaganism" or even "Satanism".
I think Christianity is compelled by itself own unaware facetiousness. Just look at the influence of Dante's "Divine Comedy" on Christian theology, as an example. Or the influence of the Catholic Church's own immense influence on the concept of Satanism (remember, the Catholic church burnt people at the stake for being alleged "Satanists" and "Witches" without any evidence).
In general I don't think Christianity is very wise to history or to it's own faulty thought process. This is a bigger thing in Protestantism than Catholicism, but both are guilty of this.

Anyway, on the topic in general, nothing the Catholic church does has any baring on the troublesome issue of Christianity itself as a whole (Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant) believing that a man can be "God" yet also claim inheritance of the Old Testament YHWH. It just doesn't work. It's a deeply flawed view and I can only remain disappointed.
Alongside this, I find it troubling that Protestant Christianity is anti-art. Art is "evil", yet you still participate in art of some form or another. Sadly I don't think Christianity has any appreciation for Monotheism and rather is a mockery of Monotheism. Complaining about "Pagans" is hardly the worst thing you could do when you consequently deify yourself and hold yourself as infallible.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Honestly I hardly find it surprising, as the Abrahamic Prophetic tradition is conventionally antagonistic towards "Paganism" for better or worse (I see it as more worse, because it is the promotion of ignorance over understanding).
Aside from that the word "Pagan" itself is meaningless, really, it's a pejorative created by Christianity (Catholicism) specifically.

I don't think you Christians understand your meme-creating power. You've done this numerous times without realizing it. Without Christianity and it's influence there would be no such thing as "Neopaganism" or even "Satanism".
I think Christianity is compelled by itself own unaware facetiousness. Just look at the influence of Dante's "Divine Comedy" on Christian theology, as an example. Or the influence of the Catholic Church's own immense influence on the concept of Satanism (remember, the Catholic church burnt people at the stake for being alleged "Satanists" and "Witches" without any evidence).
In general I don't think Christianity is very wise to history or to it's own faulty thought process. This is a bigger thing in Protestantism than Catholicism, but both are guilty of this.

Anyway, on the topic in general, nothing the Catholic church does has any baring on the troublesome issue of Christianity itself as a whole (Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant) believing that a man can be "God" yet also claim inheritance of the Old Testament YHWH. It just doesn't work. It's a deeply flawed view and I can only remain disappointed.
Alongside this, I find it troubling that Protestant Christianity is anti-art. Art is "evil", yet you still participate in art of some form or another. Sadly I don't think Christianity has any appreciation for Monotheism and rather is a mockery of Monotheism. Complaining about "Pagans" is hardly the worst thing you could do when you consequently deify yourself and hold yourself as infallible.

This philosophy and doctrine of yours will not be allowed on the ARK, and it's about to be filled up.

 

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This philosophy and doctrine of yours will not be allowed on the ARK, and it's about to be filled up.

Are you feeling ok? perhaps you replied to the wrong post unintentionally.

Perhaps @JoChris would also like to chime in on her reasoning? (presuming that she doesn't agree with certain Christians here that reason itself is satanic and a trap created by the devil to damn us all to hell...presuming that)