Pope Francis - Man of Mystery

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I think the message of that video is that all major religions in this world are based on the same core tenants; peace and love, and that religions should work together (while not changing their teachings) to make a better world. I don't think it's a bad message... I think it's a good message. I mean, even based on my time on VC... Shit would have been a lot better if people actually didn't care what the hell a poster's religion was and cared more about how they felt about the jackboots that are on our neck.
 





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Did Pope Francis call himself ‘the devil?’
by Catholic News Agency
posted Monday, 24 Sep 2018

A Papal joke has caused a stir on social media...

Traveling Saturday to Lithuania, Pope Francis joked that, in the eyes of some, Pope St. John Paul II is considered a saint while he himself is considered “a devil.”

The pope’s joke came amidst a Sept. 22 conversation with journalists, the Associated Press reported, during which he was presented a book about Pope St. John Paul II, written by long-time papal photographer Grzegorz Galazka.

Francis joked as he examined the book, reportedly telling reporters “[John Paul II] was a saint, I am a devil.”

“No, you are both saints!” Galazka responded.

The pope has shown a similar penchant for self-deprecating humor in the past.

Talking with reporters in August, he said his role in securing Italy’s reception of controversial controversial migrants had been that of “the devil’s paw.”

In January, Francis joked with cloistered nuns in Peru that they had come to hear him speak only “to get out of the convent a bit to take a stroll.”

In 2015, Pope Francis reportedly joked with then-Ecuadorian president Rafael Correa. After a visit, Correa tweeted that Pope Francis had made a joke based on stereotypes about Argentine vanity. “Being Argentine, they thought I would call myself Jesus II,” Francis reportedly told Correa.

The pope’s trip to Lithuania is the start of a four-day trip through the Baltic states, during which Pope Francis will visit Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, before returning to Rome Sept. 25.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/09/24/did-pope-francis-call-himself-the-devil/
 





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Breaking with 2,000 years of Christian teaching, the man with the reins of power in Rome is pushing an increasingly unusual religious agenda that has even many Catholics puzzled. What is his real angle? And why is the Roman Catholic Church only now being led by such a wayward theologian? I would argue that it's all going according to God's plan and timing. We may not be able to definitively identify the antichrist before the Church is taken to glory, but can the same be said about the false prophet who according to Revelation 13:11–17 will cause the world to worship the beast?

Throughout history Christians of all stripes have consistently taught that Jesus Christ is God's only begotten Son and the only One who can save sinful humanity. This Jesus is coming back to judge the world in righteousness and to save those who believe in Him. Furthermore, Christianity has consistently taught that the Bible is uniquely true—God-breathed words that reveal truth in a way that no other text or religion can.

Pope Francis seems to think otherwise. Here are ten things the current pope has said or done that not only defy Roman Catholic teachings, but basic biblical and Christian truths held by virtually all denominations:


1. For the pope's January 2016 prayer intentions the Vatican released a video that expressed two overtly heretical beliefs: first, that you can have a relationship with God through other religions' mediators and seek God outside of the Christian faith, and second, that everyone is a child of God, not only believers in Christ.


There was so much bad theology and half-truths in this video that it left even many moderate Christians stunned.

2. Just last month the pope falsely assured a grieving boy that his unbelieving, atheist father will be saved, which is nothing less than an outright denial of the necessity of believing the gospel message. Not only that, but he simultaneously denied a plethora of scriptures that declare that no one but God is good. He based his presumption about the man's salvation on the belief that his father was "a good man."


3. Also last month, the Pope met with Katy Perrywho came to the Vatican to speak about transcendental meditation. Yes, that's the same Katy Perry who performed a satanic ritual-esque song at the Grammys replete with hellfire and horned demons.



Other speakers included Deepak Chopra, a New Age guru and one world religion proponent who expressed hopes in 2016 that Pope Francis would move beyond the Catholic Church to become "a holy man for the world" by embracing the validity of all faiths and the importance of mind-altering meditation.

4. In 2014 Pope Francis hosted Islamic prayers and a reading from the Koran at the Vatican for the first time ever. Just think of the significance of this: the man who supposedly leads a majority of the world's Christians allowed prayers to be offered to the false god allah in a place dedicated to Christ and the Church.


5. In 2016 the Pope decisively sidelined conservatives in the Catholic Church. The Pope selects new cardinals. The College of Cardinals elects the next pope. Pope Francis appointed 17 new cardinals, almost all of whom are stalwart liberals both theologically and politically. As a consequence, the Catholic Church will be moving away from orthodox Christianity and towards universalism and liberation theology for the foreseeable future.


6. Pope Francis scoffed at evangelism in an October 2013 interview with an Italian publication:


Perhaps the Pope should read the Acts of the Apostles—the Apostles were very dedicated proselytizers and street preachers.


7. The Pope told a crowd of some 33,000 people that the teachings of those who believe you can have a personal, direct relationship with Jesus Christ are "dangerous and harmful."


8. In April 2014 Pope Francis tweeted that "inequality is the root of social evil"—a thoroughly Marxist and anti-biblical sentiment, which teaches that evil is rooted in external, societal causes. Contrary to Francis' Marxist/Liberation theology paradigm, the Bible teaches just the opposite—that the source of evil is from within one's own heart (Mk. 7:21–23; Jas. 1:13–15) and comes from lack of faith in God (Rm. 14:23). And as a matter of fact, inequality itself is not necessarily a bad thing. Some have more, some have less. Even in Heaven there is a hierarchy.




9. In 2015 Pope Francis called religious fundamentalism "a sickness," even if that fundamentalism is non-violent (e.g. Christian fundamentalism). Fundamentalism is essentially believing in the literal truth of religious texts and teachings.



- Pope Francis


10. On multiple occasions Pope Francis has equated Yahweh and allah, an obviously heretical and unbiblical belief. Believing that the God of the Bible and the god of Islam are one and the same is no different than believing the same about Yahweh and ba'al.

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If you still find yourself in the religion that is led by this man I would plead with you with all my heart and soul to learn what the Gospel really is and what repentance really means. You must be born again.

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Bergoglio is a Jesuit, so that should say plenty.

I’m convinced he will play the role of the false prophet of Revelation. The RCC is steeped in traditions of men and rejected the Bible throughout history.

He is, however, the most open pope regarding his heresy & blasphemies of God.

Only a truly antichrist spirit could call Jesus a “failure” as Francis has done:


https://thewildvoice.org/pope-francis-gods-failure/

He had used this line before in New York on September 24, 2015 saying "if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, in the failure of the cross."

He’s no longer holding back, as he knows that, like satan, his destination is the Lake of Fire.

God will not be mocked.
 





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Just for clarity, I am not anti-Catholic (as far as Catholic people are concerned) its the ism part I have issue with. There are believing Catholics who will join believing Protestants (and believing Messianic Jews) one day when "isms" are done away with.
Actually Red, There will be no Catholics in the body of Christ....Nor will there be any Baptist, C of C, LDS, or any other religion. The body of Christ (born again believers only) will make up His Church. Those who claim salvation by their religion affiliation have never known Christ personally. Only Christ adds to the Church (Acts 2:47)...a man does not join (John 1:12-13). The conflict is with the visible Church and their religious doctrines...God never told us to win the world, He told us to preach the Gospel to all the world. The body of Christ is small compared to the religious world. That is why the rapture will probably not be that noticeable and easily explained away. The majority of people saved will be after the rapture (of all nations that can not be counted) Rev. 9:7-14.
 





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There are people in the Catholic church who are saved by their belief in the shed blood of Jesus Christ for their sins, even if they are in terrible error about most everything else.

This pope is pushing away good Catholics -- and by that I mean decent, sincere, people who desire a relationship with God, even as they are deceived on how to go about it. Pray they come to the truth about Jesus Christ.
 





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Pray they come to the truth about Jesus Christ.
Yes, The weakest and most fallible man who trust in Christ has the same standing with God as the most illustrious saint...….Faith alone gives us our standing in Christ. Our state is another matter. We are not instantly mature in our state (learning and following Christ) as we are in our standing. (saved by faith)
 





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The Catholic Church and its leadership are corrupt and messed up, but I will take a sincere lay Catholic over a right-wing Evangelical any day of the week.
I think both can have their eyes looking in the wrong direction. I know a good many Catholics who I consider close friends. You can believe the "wrong" things with a heart that seeks God, and the "right" things with a heart focussed entirely on yourself.
 





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Bergoglio is a Jesuit, so that should say plenty.

I’m convinced he will play the role of the false prophet of Revelation. The RCC is steeped in traditions of men and rejected the Bible throughout history.

He is, however, the most open pope regarding his heresy & blasphemies of God.

Only a truly antichrist spirit could call Jesus a “failure” as Francis has done:


https://thewildvoice.org/pope-francis-gods-failure/

He had used this line before in New York on September 24, 2015 saying "if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, in the failure of the cross."

He’s no longer holding back, as he knows that, like satan, his destination is the Lake of Fire.

God will not be mocked.
This is a misunderstanding of his words, either deliberately because you're convinced Catholics are godless heretics, or because you genuinely misunderstand the statement he was trying to make.

I'll translate it (even though I don't think you care all that much).

Christ's "failure" on a cross wasn't a failure at all. Just like our efforts to make this world a better place, even when they seem fruitless, aren't failures.
 





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As a former Catholic, who still loosely identifies as one, the rise of far-right radicalism is discouraging... Especially since the fall into that sort of mindset, at least with American Catholics, wasn't deliberate; in fighting abortion, some Catholics chose to ally themselves with people who were against abortion but also against the Church's other teachings... It was a lesser evil, at the time, in their perspective... But that's sort of the joke. A lesser evil is still evil. Evil corrupts. When you open yourself to that lesser evil, it festers and eventually grows into a greater evil.
 





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As a former Catholic, who still loosely identifies as one, the rise of far-right radicalism is discouraging... Especially since the fall into that sort of mindset, at least with American Catholics, wasn't deliberate; in fighting abortion, some Catholics chose to ally themselves with people who were against abortion but also against the Church's other teachings... It was a lesser evil, at the time, in their perspective... But that's sort of the joke. A lesser evil is still evil. Evil corrupts. When you open yourself to that lesser evil, it festers and eventually grows into a greater evil.

Half of my family is at least nominally Catholic (although I was raised in an Evangelical Church) and as I said I’ll take a lay Catholic over most other forms of Christianity to be honest. I think the leadership is pretty corrupt, and groups like Opus Dei are repulsive, but then you have groups like the Catholic Worker movement who may indeed be the greatest example of Christianity on the planet.
 





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1. For the pope's January 2016 prayer intentions the Vatican released a video that expressed two overtly heretical beliefs: first, that you can have a relationship with God through other religions' mediators and seek God outside of the Christian faith...
...10. On multiple occasions Pope Francis has equated Yahweh and allah, an obviously heretical and unbiblical belief. Believing that the God of the Bible and the god of Islam are one and the same is no different than believing the same about Yahweh and ba'al.
@Red Sky at Morning, I just ran across your OP and know it's old, but I just wanted to point out a few things folks may not be aware of. In some of the above cases. The pope is actually - unfortunately - following RCC doctrine.

RCC Catechism 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." RCC Catechism: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

John Paul II 
General Audience 
Wednesday 5 May 1999 

2. Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: “We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection” (Insegnamenti, VIII/2, [1985], p. 497). The patrimony of revealed texts in the Bible speaks unanimously of the oneness of God. Jesus himself reaffirms it, making Israel's profession his own: “The Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Mk 12:29; cf. Dt 6:4-5). This oneness is also affirmed in the words of praise that spring from the heart of the Apostle Paul: “To the king of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen” 
https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_05051999.html

2. Just last month the pope falsely assured a grieving boy that his unbelieving, atheist father will be saved, which is nothing less than an outright denial of the necessity of believing the gospel message. Not only that, but he simultaneously denied a plethora of scriptures that declare that no one but God is good. He based his presumption about the man's salvation on the belief that his father was "a good man."
RCC Catechism: 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

Interesting Note: According to RCC, the pope is considered to be Christ on earth. No, really -

The Message of Fatima, Introduction
The twentieth century was one of the most crucial in human history, with its tragic and cruel events culminating in the assassination attempt on the “sweet Christ on earth”.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...on_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

Apostolic Exhortation Vita Consecrata, Pope John Paul II, March 25, 1996
Against this background of love towards Holy Church, "the pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for "the Lord Pope", the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called "sweet Christ on earth"… 
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...hf_jp-ii_exh_25031996_vita-consecrata_en.html

Apostolic letter, Pope John Paul II, Oct 1999
“And strengthened by her intimacy with Christ, the Saint of Siena was not afraid to point out frankly even to the Pope, whom she loved dearly as her “sweet Christ on earth”…” http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...roprio_01101999_co-patronesses-europe_en.html

A message for the Church of the 3rd millennium, Prof. Maria Pellegrini, May 17, 2000
Your Eminencies, Excellencies, reverend and dear priests, I feel especially honoured to provide this small service to you, whom St. Catherine of Siena defines as "Ministers of the Blood of Christ", in this patriarchal Basilica, centre of Catholicism, housing the Chair of he who is the "Sweet Christ on earth". http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/jub_preti_20000517_falchi_en.html
 





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@Lurking009

Good information! I think it's well worth pointing out that Pope Francis is not alone in taking a position that is contrary to Biblical Christianity. Popes have been running the Catholic Church along these lines for some considerable time (!).