Patriarchy is anti-life.

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Jesus's teachings were in direct conflict with the existing patriarchal order. He lived 3 miles away from Sepphoris (a major Hellenic city) and it was likely that he was exposed to the Mysteries of Eleusis (which have their roots in Minoan culture). This would explain his belief in the equality of the sexes, pacifism and resurrection. There are many stories in Genesis that explain the transfer of power from matriarchy to patriarchy, a matriarchy that Jesus's teachings were connected to.

The snake was considered sacred to goddess worshiping societies as it symbolized rebirth ( which was a core tenet to their belief system). This would explain why the bible's authors decided to connect the snake with Satan and evil.

Jezebel was a Phoenician (Phoenicians were descendants of the Minoans) princess who was married into the Hebrew society, she was a high priestess of the goddess Asherah and she was the poster girl for defiant matriarchal women. The patriarchal authors of the bible made clear of their disdain for her.

"But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and chop down their Asherim and burn their carved images with fire". Deuteronomy 7:5

“You shall not plant any tree as an Asherah beside the altar of the Lord your God that you shall make." Deuteronomy 16:21

The story of Cain and Abel was also clear indication of the transfer of power from the previous order to the next. Abel (pastoralist) represented the patriarchal nomadic Hebrews, Cain (agriculturalist) represented the farming Canaanites. Of course the patriarchal god chose Abel over Cain, it was a symbolic story of his preference.
Jezebel was a sneaky, conniving thing. I was just re-reading the story of her demise last night in 2 Kings. They called for her (proper) burial because she was a King's daughter, but there was nothing left to bury, really. According to the word of Jehovah, she was eaten by the dogs.

And Jehu cometh in to Jezreel, and Jezebel hath heard, and putteth her eyes in paint and maketh right her head, and looketh out through the window...​
And Jehu hath come into the gate, and she saith, `Was there peace [to] Zimri -- slayer of his lord?'​
And he lifteth up his face unto the window, and saith, `Who [is] with me? -- who?' and look out unto him do two [or] three eunuchs;​
And he saith, `Let her go;' and they let her go, and [some] of her blood is sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses, and he treadeth her down.​
And he cometh in, and eateth, and drinketh, and saith, `Look after, I pray you, this cursed one, and bury her, for she [is] a king's daughter.'​
And they go to bury her, and have not found of her except the skull, and the feet, and the palms of the hands.​
And they turn back, and declare to him, and he saith, `The word of Jehovah it [is], that He spake by the hand of this servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel do the dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel,​
and the carcase of Jezebel hath been as dung on the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel, that they say not, This [is] Jezebel.'​
Gruesome, isn't it? But she carefully arranged the murder of an innocent man so her husband could take possession of his vineyard-- feeling any kind of pity for her would be difficult. The disdain is warranted.

I'm sure Jesus was exposed to Eleusis when He created him, but I doubt He would have been influenced by his philosophy-- you cannot compare the Author of the universe to His creation-- especially those who are fallen. The matriarchy that you are proposing is led by a false god, just like the existing (supposed) patriarchy, and nowhere in the bible is that endorsed.
 




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27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Luke 19:27

Pretty sure that's from the new testament. I'm actually not an athiest and I don't hate Jesus, I admire him very much. I'm trying to make a distinction between him and the bible (which was compiled and edited by his slayers the Romans).
Again, no regard for context. This is part of the three servants parable, you do know that Jesus spoke in parables in order to teach a story, right? If I take this literally instead of as you should, a PARABLE, then I'm supposed to go make myself as rich as I can 'cause God will eventually come to collect my money. I must go INVEST, INVEST, INVEST.
You think you have knowledge, but you lack understanding
And I'm still waiting for that famed verse where God said
To convert the "savage, uncivilized" colored people of the world by force of violence.
 




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Jezebel was a sneaky, conniving thing. I was just re-reading the story of her demise last night in 2 Kings. They called for her (proper) burial because she was a King's daughter, but there was nothing left to bury, really. According to the word of Jehovah, she was eaten by the dogs.

And Jehu cometh in to Jezreel, and Jezebel hath heard, and putteth her eyes in paint and maketh right her head, and looketh out through the window...​
And Jehu hath come into the gate, and she saith, `Was there peace [to] Zimri -- slayer of his lord?'​


And he lifteth up his face unto the window, and saith, `Who [is] with me? -- who?' and look out unto him do two [or] three eunuchs;​


And he saith, `Let her go;' and they let her go, and [some] of her blood is sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses, and he treadeth her down.​


And he cometh in, and eateth, and drinketh, and saith, `Look after, I pray you, this cursed one, and bury her, for she [is] a king's daughter.'​


And they go to bury her, and have not found of her except the skull, and the feet, and the palms of the hands.​


And they turn back, and declare to him, and he saith, `The word of Jehovah it [is], that He spake by the hand of this servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel do the dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel,​


and the carcase of Jezebel hath been as dung on the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel, that they say not, This [is] Jezebel.'​
Gruesome, isn't it? But she carefully arranged the murder of an innocent man so her husband could take possession of his vineyard-- feeling any kind of pity for her would be difficult. The disdain is warranted.

I'm sure Jesus was exposed to Eleusis when He created him, but I doubt He would have been influenced by his philosophy-- you cannot compare the Author of the universe to His creation-- especially those who are fallen. The matriarchy that you are proposing is led by a false god, just like the existing (supposed) patriarchy, and nowhere in the bible is that endorsed.
Patriarchy not endorsed by the bible? Delusional. God is consistently referred to as the father and women are ordered to be silent. The Illuminati pyramid/all seeing eye represents the hierarchical nature of patriarchy, with the elite at the top and the poor masses at the bottom. The perfect circle (the original sacred symbol of humanity) represents perfection and equality (i.e. matriarchy). In matriarchy, women do not dominate men as patriarchal men dominate women. This is impossible due to women being physically weaker than men. These men willingly let their women have voices and influence because they know it is best for them. There are few matriarchies left in the world, namely the Hopi Indians and the Mosuo tribe of China. The Mosuo vocabulary lacks words that describe war and r*pe. The Hopi have a radically different view of women than do Christians.

""Schlegel explains why there was female superiority as that the Hopi believed in "life as the highest good ... [with] the female principle ... activated in women and in Mother Earth ... as its source"[11] and that the Hopi "were not in a state of continual war with equally matched neighbors"[12] and "had no standing army"[12] so that "the Hopi lacked the spur to masculine superiority"[12] and, within that, as that women were central to institutions of clan and household and predominated "within the economic and social systems (in contrast to male predominance within the political and ceremonial systems)",[12] the Clan Mother, for example, being empowered to overturn land distribution by men if she felt it was unfair,[11] since there was no "countervailing ... strongly centralized, male-centered political structure"."
 




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Again, no regard for context. This is part of the three servants parable, you do know that Jesus spoke in parables in order to teach a story, right? If I take this literally instead of as you should, a PARABLE, then I'm supposed to go make myself as rich as I can 'cause God will eventually come to collect my money. I must go INVEST, INVEST, INVEST.
You think you have knowledge, but you lack understanding
And I'm still waiting for that famed verse where God said
The history of the christian faith has shown forcible/violent conversion of the pagan peoples that worshiped the Earth, our great mother. This is in direct disobedience of Jesus's teachings. It is interesting that root meaning of matter means mother in latin. The island of Crete, the last vestige of matriarchal power in Europe, also means creation.
 




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The issue with the Abrahamic religions is that they have removed the feminine side of the divine (although the recently converted pagans of Europe in the middle ages demanded that Mary be worshiped as a goddess through the catholic faith, which was later eviscerated by the protestant faith) from their beliefs, which created a completely violent and dysfunctional faith and imperialistic tyranny. Jesus tried to revive the teachings of the sacred feminine and he was killed for it. The leadership of women flourished 200 years after his death. He was such a proponent of women, he spoke against divorce based on his empathy for women who would be left to die if their husbands left them in a society in which they had no power. He defended prostitutes desperate for income to feed their families.

And when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself and said unto them; "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7
 




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Who is we?
In my marriage the first 10 years I handled the finances (at least paying the bills) and my wife spent everything else, often spending the bill money before I could pay the bills. It was a constant struggle. Eventually my wife came to the point that she was convicted in her prayer time and felt as though God told her to handle paying the bills, so she could see what I was going through.

It took some faith to agree, but I felt God was in it, so I agreed. There were some rough moments but she learned a lot and gained new respect for the finances. We left it that way for about 5 years before switching back.

We now have two checking accounts. Both of our names are on each of them. One is strictly for bills and saving and the other is grocery and play money. She can spend whatever she wants from the grocery/play account, though now she often takes money out that account and transfers to the bill pay/ saving account because she understands the importance of saving now.

You are confusing authority with leadership.

So when your husband walks in the door your children no longer obey you? I respect your humility in your marriage, and I acknowledge your belief in God ordained authority, but I think you are short changing yourself in the area of leadership.

A good leader in a position of authority, will recognize, acknowledge and nurture the leadership of those that are under their authority.

My wife acknowledges me as the head of our household, but we truly make major decisions on everything together. I never “lord” anything over her.
Of course my children obey me when my husband is around, and if they don’t they get the belt, which puts them back in order.
I really do not feel as if I’m shortchanging myself, I am happy with it this way.
Also, my husband isn’t some kind of tyrannical bully, so it’s not like being submissive to your husband is a weakness on the wife’s part.
He always considers my thoughts & feelings first, but He has final say in matters.
 




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The history of the christian faith has shown forcible/violent conversion of the pagan peoples that worshiped the Earth, our great mother. This is in direct disobedience of Jesus's teachings. It is interesting that root meaning of matter means mother in latin. The island of Crete, the last vestige of matriarchal power in Europe, also means creation.
You must not be a native English speaker after all, just like me, 'cause you confuse the word religion with faith.
I asked you where in the book that preserves the words of God is that which you previously spoke of.

When you say something you should stand behind it, not throw some words around and then run to find something that emulates the answer.
Message me if you'll ever find a verse that you think you could sell to me as the answer to what I kept asking. About the statement you presented as sure fact. If you can't back even one of your claims with proof, there's no point in getting into other territory.

An advice from a person that was once a non-believer to another non-believer, don't put words into God's mouth, you'll eventually regret it (hopefully while you're still alive)
Also, you speak/understand Greek?
 




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Don’t blame it on the unbelievers Claire. The church is the epitome of hierarchy top down leadership!
There are many churches, Todd.
Not just one.

Yes, there is Order in a church.

It begins with the Pastor (who, By the way can ONLY be a male). You will never see a female in a pulpit of the church that is a Bible-believing church.

It is strictly forbidden. That isn’t because a woman is not capable of delivering an edifying sermon, it is because the Bible FORBIDS women to Pastor a church.

It must be a male. And it must be a male married to one wife, with obedient children, that ruleth his house well.

God is a God of Order.
 




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Hitting your children with a belt is legally abuse.. i suggest you use an open hand instead - that is legally fine so long as you dont leave a bruise.

Every marriage is different. What works for one doesnt for another.

And there is more to strength then physicality. A strong will gets you further then big biceps.
 




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The queen goes down in plenty of Chess games. It really depends on your strategy, and play style. For me I think that the Queen should always be in position near the king. If the queen is being moved anywhere it's to smash something, and fall back. This is typically not the role of women though, even in our modern culture.

Losing a queen is devastating. And if you can't tell, I'm no longer talking about a game. Women have a lot of strong traits that we should be supporting, and promoting. Like we should be empowering them to all be queens. Instead there is a lot of unhealthy projections getting thrown around. Where people aren't even pawns, they just feel useless. And unloved.

Pretty sure the Bible doesn't teach how not to love. So what's the real problem? I think a chess player would say that there a lot of unused counter moves. Or underutilized moves. Men and women should both be empowered. Because it's really not that hard to see both sides of the board. They are the same pattern, and same structure every time. If we focus on each other similarities we will always be 100% better for it.
 




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There are many churches, Todd.
Not just one.

Yes, there is Order in a church.

It begins with the Pastor (who, By the way can ONLY be a male). You will never see a female in a pulpit of the church that is a Bible-believing church.

It is strictly forbidden. That isn’t because a woman is not capable of delivering an edifying sermon, it is because the Bible FORBIDS women to Pastor a church.

It must be a male. And it must be a male married to one wife, with obedient children, that ruleth his house well.

God is a God of Order.
Where are women forbidden to be Pastors? Mind you I don’t think it is wise for a women to pastor a church on her own, but there are many couples in the kingdom of God that Pastor as couples. I believe that is the healthiest and most effective arrangement.
The most important function of pastoring is about nurturing the sheep, not preaching. Why would God forbid females from pastoring when females are usually more gifted in nurturing then men?

Galatians 3:28-29. I thought Paul said in the kingdom of God there is neither male nor female?

Here is the real problem. You believe that the message of the gospel is simply about escape from Hell, instead of looking at the gospel as the good news that we can be free from the power of sin. Salvation is process of gradual freedom from the curse of sin.

The whole concept of a submissive wive begins with Genesis 3:16 where the husband ruling over the wife is part of the curse, due to Adam and Eve disobeying God.

As a Christian you can be free from the curse. It was not God’s original intent for man to rule over women. The purpose of the gospel is to break the curse of sin. Yes escape from punishment in the age to come is a benefit, but the church is supposed to bring the kingdom of God to earth now and break the curse of sin.

Instead of freeing women, the church (in general, not every single congregation) has only kept women under the curse mentioned in Genesis 3:16.

But until the Christians recognize the gospel is so much more then just “escaping hell”, they will never have the faith to break the curse!
 




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Hitting your children with a belt is legally abuse.. i suggest you use an open hand instead - that is legally fine so long as you dont leave a bruise.

Every marriage is different. What works for one doesnt for another.

And there is more to strength then physicality. A strong will gets you further then big biceps.
Show me the law that says spanking your kids with a belt is “legally abuse”.

I have NEVER bruised or injured any of my children, nor would I.

How many children do you have??

Our discussion about marriage is based on Biblical principles, from a Christian perspective.

Obviously I am aware that many couples view marriage & it’s roles within differently, especially secular couples, who hold very different ideals/approaches regarding marriage, (which is their right) but that was not the subject of this particular discussion.
 




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Where are women forbidden to be Pastors? Mind you I don’t think it is wise for a women to pastor a church on her own, but there are many couples in the kingdom of God that Pastor as couples. I believe that is the healthiest and most effective arrangement.
The most important function of pastoring is about nurturing the sheep, not preaching. Why would God forbid females from pastoring when females are usually more gifted in nurturing then men?

Galatians 3:28-29. I thought Paul said in the kingdom of God there is neither male nor female?

Here is the real problem. You believe that the message of the gospel is simply about escape from Hell, instead of looking at the gospel as the good news that we can be frees from the power of sin. Salvation is process of gradual freedom from the curse of sin.

The whole concept of a submissive wive begins with Genesis 3:16 where the husband ruling over the wife is part of the curse, due to Adam and Eve disobeying God.

As a Christian you can be free from the curse. It was not Gods original intent for man to rule over women. The purpose of the gospel is to break the curse of sin. Yes escape from punishment in the age to come is a benefit, but the church is supposed to bring the kingdom of God to earth now and break the curse of sin.

Instead of freeing women, the church (in general, not every single congregation) has only kept women under the curse mentioned in Genesis 3:16.

But until the Christians recognize the gospel is so much more then just “escaping hell”, they will never have the faith to break the curse!
1 Timothy 3:
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Titus 1:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Corinthians 14:
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


1 Timothy 2:
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
 




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Show me the law that says spanking your kids with a belt is “legally abuse”.

I have NEVER bruised or injured any of my children, nor would I.

How many children do you have??

Our discussion about marriage is based on Biblical principles, from a Christian perspective.

Obviously I am aware that many couples view marriage & it’s roles within differently, especially secular couples, who hold very different ideals/approaches regarding marriage, (which is their right) but that was not the subject of this particular discussion.
2 kids, career as a child protective service investigator. Tell me what state you live in and ill show you either the law or policy which states it. You can spank your kids, open hand no bruise. Hitting them with a belt is not spanking. Im not accusing you of abusing your kids, just a friendly heads up.
 




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1 Timothy 3:
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Titus 1:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Corinthians 14:
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


1 Timothy 2:
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
First a Bishop and a pastor are not the same thing.
Second you will not find any of this ideas confirmed as the word of God outside of Paul’s writing.
As Peter told us, Paul was writing out of his own wisdom. At the time many believers still met at the local synagogue and it was tradition that men and women sat on different sides of synagogue. In general women were not educated even in matters of faith, so it was common for them to not understand what was happening. Paul was simply saying it would be out of order,in that day and tradition, for women to constantly interrupt and ask questions. Do you really equate this as a command from God that women can’t speak in church today? LOL!

Third, do you really believe women are only saved through child bearing? Again LOL!
 




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2 kids, career as a child protective service investigator. Tell me what state you live in and ill show you either the law or policy which states it. You can spank your kids, open hand no bruise. Hitting them with a belt is not spanking. Im not accusing you of abusing your kids, just a friendly heads up.
I live in Texas.

And hitting your kids with an open hand CAN injure them or be considered abuse, so can a belt. But they can also BOTH be used to apply proper discipline.

It depends on several factors:

1. Where you spank them (I only spank on their bottom, whether it is a belt or open hand)

2. Age & size of the child - I do not need to use a belt on my 10 yr old daughter, as she is petite & I believe the belt would actually injure her. She typically receives less discipline than my 3 boys because she simply behaves better. A single swat on the behind works sufficiently with her.
Now my 3 teenage boys (17, 16, 15) are a different story.
If I used the same manner of discipline with them, it isn’t going to do anything. All 3 are already taller & bigger than me (I am 5’7, my husband 6’7). They are already 6 ft or taller & outweigh me easily.

3. Temperament of Parent - We never spank our kids when we are angry. That increases the chance of accidentally injuring them & sends the wrong message about how to properly release anger. If we are really upset we wait until we’ve cooled off, so as to maintain composure.

As I said, spankings are given to discipline, not injure.

We aren’t abusing our kids, and I don’t really care what the law says, I will not stop spanking our kids when needed.

The Bible says to spank, so I do.


“Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.”....Proverbs 19:18


“He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.”....Proverbs -13:24
 




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First a Bishop and a pastor are not the same thing.
Second you will not find any of this ideas confirmed as the word of God outside of Paul’s writing.
As Peter told us, Paul was writing out of his own wisdom. At the time many believers still met at the local synagogue and it was tradition that men and women sat on different sides of synagogue. In general women were not educated even in matters of faith, so it was common for them to not understand what was happening. Paul was simply saying it would be out of order,in that day and tradition, for women to constantly interrupt and ask questions. Do you really equate this as a command from God that women can’t speak in church today? LOL!

Third, do you really believe women are only saved through child bearing? Again LOL!

Again...you just DON’T believe the Word of God. At least admit it!

I specifically did NOT add my own thoughts and gave you only Scripture.....it is clear that your problem is not about my understanding but with what God says.

And I get that you reject Paul, but it is because you do NOT believe God has preserved His Word as He promised to.

I believe the ENTIRE KJ Holy Bible is inspired by God.

It is obvious you think you know better than God Himself so go create your own world, put it into orbit, populate it & make up whatever rules you wish.

On Planet Todd, you can reign supreme.

But here on earth, all I care about is “THUS SAITH THE LORD”.
 




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I live in Texas.

And hitting your kids with an open hand CAN injure them or be considered abuse, so can a belt. But they can also BOTH be used to apply proper discipline.

It depends on several factors:

1. Where you spank them (I only spank on their bottom, whether it is a belt or open hand)

2. Age & size of the child - I do not need to use a belt on my 10 yr old daughter, as she is petite & I believe the belt would actually injure her. She typically receives less discipline than my 3 boys because she simply behaves better. A single swat on the behind works sufficiently with her.
Now my 3 teenage boys (17, 16, 15) are a different story.
If I used the same manner of discipline with them, it isn’t going to do anything. All 3 are already taller & bigger than me (I am 5’7, my husband 6’7). They are already 6 ft or taller & outweigh me easily.

3. Temperament of Parent - We never spank our kids when we are angry. That increases the chance of accidentally injuring them & sends the wrong message about how to properly release anger. If we are really upset we wait until we’ve cooled off, so as to maintain composure.

As I said, spankings are given to discipline, not injure.

We aren’t abusing our kids, and I don’t really care what the law says, I will not stop spanking our kids when needed.

The Bible says to spank, so I do.


“Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.”....Proverbs 19:18


“He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.”....Proverbs -13:24
In Texas, the law gives parents, stepparents, grandparents and legal guardians leeway in disciplining their children, but authorities stress that corporal punishment must be "reasonable" and not cross the line into abuse.
"Every case is different, but some things that could constitute abuse would be using something other than your hand, leaving marks or bruises, or hitting in the face," said Marissa Gonzales, a spokeswoman for Child Protective Services.
You should care what the law says, its there to protect children rightfully so. There is no reason to ever hit a child period with some sort of object even more so. If you cant get your children to listen/be respectful without assaulting them you really need to look at that.

The bible did not say thou shalt beat thy kids with belts, and that verse is very much open to interpretation and it is frequently used by the worst child abusers to justufy the harm they cause their kids.

You should thank god your 17 year old son hasnt turned that belt back on you by now.
 




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Patriarchy not endorsed by the bible? Delusional. God is consistently referred to as the father and women are ordered to be silent. The Illuminati pyramid/all seeing eye represents the hierarchical nature of patriarchy, with the elite at the top and the poor masses at the bottom. The perfect circle (the original sacred symbol of humanity) represents perfection and equality (i.e. matriarchy). In matriarchy, women do not dominate men as patriarchal men dominate women. This is impossible due to women being physically weaker than men. These men willingly let their women have voices and influence because they know it is best for them. There are few matriarchies left in the world, namely the Hopi Indians and the Mosuo tribe of China. The Mosuo vocabulary lacks words that describe war and r*pe. The Hopi have a radically different view of women than do Christians.

""Schlegel explains why there was female superiority as that the Hopi believed in "life as the highest good ... [with] the female principle ... activated in women and in Mother Earth ... as its source"[11] and that the Hopi "were not in a state of continual war with equally matched neighbors"[12] and "had no standing army"[12] so that "the Hopi lacked the spur to masculine superiority"[12] and, within that, as that women were central to institutions of clan and household and predominated "within the economic and social systems (in contrast to male predominance within the political and ceremonial systems)",[12] the Clan Mother, for example, being empowered to overturn land distribution by men if she felt it was unfair,[11] since there was no "countervailing ... strongly centralized, male-centered political structure"."
That is not what I said.

The matriarchy that you are proposing is led by a false god, just like the existing (supposed) patriarchy, and nowhere in the bible is that endorsed
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They both are led by false gods-- that was the point, and it is the main reason (but not the only reason) you are wrong. Jesus does not support the worship of false gods, which is the driving force of your pagan worship disguised as reasonable matriarchy.
 




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Again...you just DON’T believe the Word of God. At least admit it!

I specifically did NOT add my own thoughts and gave you only Scripture.....it is clear that your problem is not about my understanding but with what God says.

And I get that you reject Paul, but it is because you do NOT believe God has preserved His Word as He promised to.

I believe the ENTIRE KJ Holy Bible is inspired by God.

It is obvious you think you know better than God Himself so go create your own world, put it into orbit, populate it & make up whatever rules you wish.

On Planet Todd, you can reign supreme.

But here on earth, all I care about is “THUS SAITH THE LORD”.
I care about thus saith the Lord. But anyone with half a brain can see not every word in the Bible is “thus saith the Lord”

You have made an idol out of the KJV. The word if God is not a book! The Bible is simply a testimony and record of how the Word Of God came to many individuals and manifested through them. Jesus is the the ultimate embodiment of God’s Word.

I have no doubt that Paul experienced the word of God, that he was the greatest evangelist of all Christianity, but that does not make him or his writings infallible. Paul specifically acknowledged three times that his writing was not the word of God. The only time he claimed what he was saying was the Lord is in 1Cor 7:10, where he repeats Jesus’ teaching on divorce.

The only general remark Paul makes about his writings is they are letters from himself to the specific Churches he was writing to. He never said “thus saith the Lord.”

Compare that with Jesus who specifically claimed he spoke nothing but what he heard his father in heaven say. There is no doubt or question about it.

Deuteronomy 13 gives evidence that God would have allowed Paul’s writings to be in the Bible as a test. Anything that leads us to lawlessness is a test from God according to Deuteronomy 13. I don’t think it was Paul’s intention to lead us into lawlessness, but it’s obvious many Christians use Paul’s writing to justify not observing God’s perfect guidance and instruction. God himself said obedience is the evidence that we really love God.

Peter repeats this notion when he warns of those who are lead to destruction by the writings of Paul. Peter is not against Paul, but he is against the lawlessness that results when Paul’s writings are put on a pedestal and made equivalent to the real Word of God, Jesus Christ.

I’m not anti-Paul. I’n not anti-KJV. I’m pro-Jesus, who is the Living Word of God.

Which brings us back to the topic of this thread. Jesus treasured women and they were important part of his ministry. Jesus chose a women to be the very first witness of his resurrection. Jesus spoke against top down hierarchical style of leadership. His disciples were shocked when he ministered too and addresses women directly, and he often referred to women of faith as daughters of Abraham, something unheard of at the time.
 




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