Paradigm Shift in US Conservatism

[TempestOfTempo]

My point about immigrants is that all immigrants aren't the same. European immigrants assimilate and valued America as a sovereign nation. The immigrants we're getting post 1965 don't assimilate and are undermining sovereignty and support globalism. If you're focused on innovation and not falling behind, I don't want to cut off immigration completely. We can let in people who are supremely talented and have genius level IQs. Immigration levels are about 1.2 million today. I want them under 100k. Elon Musk can come, genius level engineers we are lacking can come in, everyone else stay out including H1Bs.

Supply and demand is a simple economics concept. The point where wages flatline is the 70s when immigration really takes off after many decades of low immigration. I'll grant that it isn't the only factor but it's an important one. You keep mentioning blue collar wages when wages at all levels have slumped, white collar is even worse. That's how you know immigration is a factor. The college educated office/computer/ect jobs have stagnant wages too because of Asian and Indian immigration.

You can say I'm using buzzwords but the fact is the ultra wealthy are the biggest advocates of mass immigration and lobby Congress hard for more immigration. So you are on on the side of the wealthy and globalists.

I have no problem identifying with Pat Buchanan.You act like that's a negative when I'm proud to be influenced by his ideology. It's true that morals are a key piece of his platform but so is American identity and sovereignty. The thing about people like you is that you've accepted the globalist propaganda that diversity is this wonderful amazing thing and it overrides any anti-globalist leanings you might have, so you are completely useless in fighting the globalists moving forward.

It took many generations for the European immigrants to fully acclimate/assimilate and it had to be started and completed from within their own ethnic enclaves. Since they accomplished this, it has been referred to as the "fulfillment of the American Dream(tm)" according to our MSM and PTB compliant history books. Yet when other, "newer" (even though Mexicans have been here a lot longer than any European settlers) immigrants follow this same trajectory, its not enough. Unless they are compliant with the insta-presto-chango, just-add-water-immediate, authentic and arbitrary "Murcan" comfort levels, somehow they are deficient or unworthy. That aint right.

 

[weskrongden]

It took many generations for the European immigrants to fully acclimate/assimilate and it had to be started and completed from within their own ethnic enclaves. Since they accomplished this, it has been referred to as the "fulfillment of the American Dream(tm)" according to our MSM and PTB compliant history books. Yet when other, "newer" (even though Mexicans have been here a lot longer than any European settlers) immigrants follow this same trajectory, its not enough. Unless they are compliant with the insta-presto-chango, just-add-water-immediate, authentic and arbitrary "Murcan" comfort levels, somehow they are deficient or unworthy. That aint right.

No offense to Mexicans but this country wasn't made for them. It was supposed to be an extension of Europe.

 

[Wigi]

No offense to Mexicans but this country wasn't made for them. It was supposed to be an extension of Europe.

I don't get your line of thought because genetic studies proves that Latinos are in majority european ascendants.
The way I see it, It was during the 19th century that racial theories started to present hispanics as non-white/non european.
Also, it's false to say America was built to be an extension of Europe because the Wasps who first came to North America were no fans of European kingdoms who forced them to leave because of persecution and religious wars.

 

[weskrongden]

I don't get your line of thought because genetic studies proves that Latinos are in majority european ascendants.
The way I see it, It was during the 19th century that racial theories started to present hispanics as non-white/non european.
Also, it's false to say America was built to be an extension of Europe because the Wasps who first came to North America were no fans of European kingdoms who forced them to leave because of persecution and religious wars.

Sometimes. They're mixed European and native blood. Some are more European and some Native. You can usually get a good sense from their features and skin tone. (Sidenote: Mexico is pretty racist. Positions of prominence like government and media are dominated by light skin European looking Mexicans.)

Back on topic, not in the style of government but in people and culture it was explicitly stated that America was to be an extension of Europe. This was true until 1965 when globalists lied to pass the Hart-Cellar Act. People love to lie about the history America. America was never a diverse nation until very recently.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

No offense to Mexicans but this country wasn't made for them. It was supposed to be an extension of Europe.

About a 4th of the country was "Mexico" before it was stolen.

 

[Aero]

My point about immigrants is that all immigrants aren't the same. European immigrants assimilate and valued America as a sovereign nation. The immigrants we're getting post 1965 don't assimilate and are undermining sovereignty and support globalism. If you're focused on innovation and not falling behind, I don't want to cut off immigration completely. We can let in people who are supremely talented and have genius level IQs. Immigration levels are about 1.2 million today. I want them under 100k. Elon Musk can come, genius level engineers we are lacking can come in, everyone else stay out including H1Bs.

Supply and demand is a simple economics concept. The point where wages flatline is the 70s when immigration really takes off after many decades of low immigration. I'll grant that it isn't the only factor but it's an important one. You keep mentioning blue collar wages when wages at all levels have slumped, white collar is even worse. That's how you know immigration is a factor. The college educated office/computer/ect jobs have stagnant wages too because of Asian and Indian immigration.

You can say I'm using buzzwords but the fact is the ultra wealthy are the biggest advocates of mass immigration and lobby Congress hard for more immigration. So you are on on the side of the wealthy and globalists.

I have no problem identifying with Pat Buchanan.You act like that's a negative when I'm proud to be influenced by his ideology. It's true that morals are a key piece of his platform but so is American identity and sovereignty. The thing about people like you is that you've accepted the globalist propaganda that diversity is this wonderful amazing thing and it overrides any anti-globalist leanings you might have, so you are completely useless in fighting the globalists moving forward.

I'm curious as to how the immigrants of today are undermining American sovereignty. Like I just don't think you have a real case there. Furthermore cutting out immigrant cheap labor means companies will just move to Mexico or another country where they can pay people pennies. Your ideas don't solve any of the real problems.

I don't need a lesson in supply and demand. I already told you that the numbers you are using don't add up. As far as I can tell immigrants from the 1960s aren't even on the books. I can do more research in this area, but it seems like the simplest answer is the right one. Wages are stagnant because companies racing to the top are getting squeezed by inflation. Plus the workforce hasn't evolved with the advancing technology.

This issue isn't black and white. Like it doesn't make me a globalist to state how I disagree with Nationalism. You seem to want to stop people from entering America, but have no qualms when companies leave. Immigration or not, companies are already leaving America. They find much cheaper labor anywhere else, and if that doesn't blow up your supply and demand argument I don't know what will.

It was stated that I agree with Pat Buchanan to some extent. And you don't know any people like me. So don't try to act like you know what goes through my head. My favoring diversity has nothing to do with globalist propaganda, it has to do with reality. We live in a diverse country and rejecting that only exposes yourself. You and every other "culture" warrior don't care about the economy, morality or sovereignty. You just want to make America white again.

P.S if a fight is going to go down. Trust me, you want me on your side.

 

[Wigi]

Back on topic, not in the style of government but in people and culture it was explicitly stated that America was to be an extension of Europe

European nations are in majority Catholic and America is in majority protestant. It's not the same identity nor the same mentality and History proves it.
I can assure you that many Europeans and more accurately British won't be happy to see Americans returning back in Europe and i'm pretty sure that all Russians won't be welcome in America as well despite the fact that they happen to be white.

People love to lie about the history America. America was never a diverse nation until very recently

In my opinion, American history of racial segregation isn't something to be proud of and I'm disgusted when people disguise their gross racialism as true conservatism when the fact is most of them couldn't care less of christian ethics in many area of their lives.

Is it that hard to understand that non-whites wanting to live a decent life doesn't mean they are all for globalism?
Not everything need to be us vs them and people aren't insects to despise just because they don't have the average IQ you would like to see in a society.

 

[Artful Revealer]

One of the things the Groypers want to do is increase awareness about the relevance of the ethnic and racial composition of national demographics and how it affects society. The last decades we've been told by sociologists and politicians that differences between ethnicities and races are solely cultural, which after a long time of empirical observation and study just doesn't seem to hold water.

Let's take the gun control issue. If the United States existed of people of European descent only, the homicide per capita rate would be below the European average and the entire debate about the 2nd amendment would be different. Another thing is, the higher the population distribution of people of European descent, the more fiscally conservative society is, and the smaller the government is. It goes to show that demographics are destiny and that changing the destiny of a nation by changing the ethnic / racial composition of the population, which is what the open-border advocates and globalists are doing, isn't exactly fair, to put it mildly.

 

[weskrongden]

I'm curious as to how the immigrants of today are undermining American sovereignty. Like I just don't think you have a real case there. Furthermore cutting out immigrant cheap labor means companies will just move to Mexico or another country where they can pay people pennies. Your ideas don't solve any of the real problems.

I don't need a lesson in supply and demand. I already told you that the numbers you are using don't add up. As far as I can tell immigrants from the 1960s aren't even on the books. I can do more research in this area, but it seems like the simplest answer is the right one. Wages are stagnant because companies racing to the top are getting squeezed by inflation. Plus the workforce hasn't evolved with the advancing technology.

This issue isn't black and white. Like it doesn't make me a globalist to state how I disagree with Nationalism. You seem to want to stop people from entering America, but have no qualms when companies leave. Immigration or not, companies are already leaving America. They find much cheaper labor anywhere else, and if that doesn't blow up your supply and demand argument I don't know what will.

It was stated that I agree with Pat Buchanan to some extent. And you don't know any people like me. So don't try to act like you know what goes through my head. My favoring diversity has nothing to do with globalist propaganda, it has to do with reality. We live in a diverse country and rejecting that only exposes yourself. You and every other "culture" warrior don't care about the economy, morality or sovereignty. You just want to make America white again.

P.S if a fight is going to go down. Trust me, you want me on your side.

So instead of companies moving oversees and foreigners taking jobs, just bring foreigners here and have them take jobs. Doesn't sound like much of a choice to me. I'll choose a different path and levy huge penalties on companies that try to move oversees. You say you aren't a globalist but you'e parroting the same arguments I see from globalists in the New York Times or Wall Street Journal. We had low immigration from the 1920s-60s and people were very happy and satisfied. Very few people wanted to increase immigration, think it was under 10%. You don't seem to want to acknowledge that. If you don't like nationalism then you like globalism. Those are the choices.

I can give you plenty of examples of how immigrants are weakening the country. I already told you that a majority of immigrants identify as being global citizens moreso than Americans. Immigrants are anti 1st and 2nd amendment. They support hate speech laws and gun control. They're top priority is bringing in more and more people who look like them. They voted overwhemingly for Hillary Clinton. They're everything globalist elites want, the perfect tool to tear down the fabric and sovereignty of America.

I reject diversity on the merits. I posted a video that provided the evidence. When diversity increases, unrest and distrust increases. The evidence shows diversity is a weakness, not a strength.

 

[MoDc]

I reject diversity on the merits. I posted a video that provided the evidence. When diversity increases, unrest and distrust increases. The evidence shows diversity is a weakness, not a strength.

wrong

https://c4ss.org/content/48301

 

[weskrongden]

European nations are in majority Catholic and America is in majority protestant. It's not the same identity nor the same mentality and History proves it.
I can assure you that many Europeans and more accurately British won't be happy to see Americans returning back in Europe and i'm pretty sure that all Russians won't be welcome in America as well despite the fact that they happen to be white.



In my opinion, American history of racial segregation isn't something to be proud of and I'm disgusted when people disguise their gross racialism as true conservatism when the fact is most of them couldn't care less of christian ethics in many area of their lives.

Is it that hard to understand that non-whites wanting to live a decent life doesn't mean they are all for globalism?
Not everything need to be us vs them and people aren't insects to despise just because they don't have the average IQ you would like to see in a society.

See the post above about examples of how non-white support globalism. Free speech, gun control, borders, ect... many examples. In my opinion, you can't separate racialism and conservatism. If you drastically change the demographics, you change the culture and fabric of that country. So if you want to conserve the traditions and culture of the country, then demographics have to be a key concern. Sounds like you just want everyone to be a liberal.

 

[MoDc]

One of the things the Groypers want to do is increase awareness about the relevance of the ethnic and racial composition of national demographics and how it affects society. The last decades we've been told by sociologists and politicians that differences between ethnicities and races are solely cultural, which after a long time of empirical observation and study just doesn't seem to hold water.

Let's take the gun control issue. If the United States existed of people of European descent only, the homicide per capita rate would be below the European average and the entire debate about the 2nd amendment would be different. Another thing is, the higher the population distribution of people of European descent, the more fiscally conservative society is, and the smaller the government is. It goes to show that demographics are destiny and that changing the destiny of a nation by changing the ethnic / racial composition of the population, which is what the open-border advocates and globalists are doing, isn't exactly fair, to put it mildly.

Everyone knows that poverty is the driving force behind violent crime, and the US has much, much higher poverty rates than the rest of the developed world. It has nothing to do with ancestry.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Everyone knows that poverty is the driving force behind violent crime, and the US has much, much higher poverty rates than the rest of the developed world. It has nothing to do with ancestry.

That myth has long been busted. Correlation between poverty and crime is minimal. Poverty is more often the result of crime than the other way around.

 

[weskrongden]

Everyone knows that poverty is the driving force behind violent crime, and the US has much, much higher poverty rates than the rest of the developed world. It has nothing to do with ancestry.

False. You can look at impoverished white communities and they don't have nearly the same violent crime rate.

 

[MoDc]

That myth has long been busted. Correlation between poverty and crime is minimal. Poverty is more often the result of crime than the other way around.

False. You can look at impoverished white communities and they don't have nearly the same violent crime rate.

West Virginia has a higher than the national average crime rate and it’s predominantly white, in fact if you look at small white towns with high poverty rates they are pretty high per capita. This is also not considering that poor whites are more likely to own homes ( through generational inheritance ) and be in closer proximity to wealthier whites making upward mobility easier, and face it poor whites will be treated with more sympathy, it sucks to be broke but it sucks less if you’re white.

now if we want to talk about a predisposition to violence, nothing will top the white caused great dying, colonialism or empires dating back to Greece.

Maybe you’d like to talk about the terror and murder campaigns that happened in the aftermath of the civil war?

 

[Artful Revealer]

You either accept the facts or you don't. This video may help. For me, this debate has become redundant.

 

[MoDc]

You either accept the facts or you don't. This video may help. For me, this debate has become redundant.

I don’t consider MolyNazi a legitimate anything and his “facts” are about as factual as your black woman murderer statistics.
Yes everything with crypto-fash like yourself is redundant, all your talking points have long been debunked, you live in a delusion of white supremacy that is all about feelings while claiming intellectual superiority. You have nothing. Run along now.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Speaking of Greece, here are the recent developments in crime and poverty:


Poverty



Crime



Negative correlation between poverty and crime.

 

[Artful Revealer]

I don’t consider MolyNazi a legitimate anything and his “facts” are about as factual as your black woman murderer statistics.
Yes everything with crypto-fash like yourself is redundant, all your talking points have long been debunked, you live in a delusion of white supremacy that is all about feelings while claiming intellectual superiority. You have nothing. Run along now.
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Then you've shown your true colours.

 

[MoDc]

Then you've shown your true colours.

At least I have the courage to do so. You won’t openly admit what you are.

Crime is higher in poverty stricken white areas, poverty is still the biggest influencer of crime but things like population density play a role as well ( as well as racism which doesn’t affect poor rural whites ) so what you’re trying to claim has nothing to stand on.