Paganism in Islam

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I couldn't agree with you more. As the saying goes, the toughest conversations to have is about religion and/or politics. That said, I don't think you need to agree with it, but be wise enough to understand it. I'm not a Muslim, but I do respect the faith in that they acknowledge a supreme being, which is what I was taught being raised in a Christian family.

I would even go so far as to say there are probably going to be disagreements in our own circles of friends and family, as @Daze has mentioned, of HOW we worship, but to acknowledge the fact that they understand there's a power higher than themselves and man, or idols is definitely a start. IMHO, I think it's great to know people who know there's a force greater than our own thoughts, ego of man and psychical idols, which is essentially pagan worship. I've gone to school and worked with many people of many religions, and while I might not agree with their traditions and ceremonies (never understood confirmations, but hey...:)), I still respected them and realized that was they knew because of their surroundings (nurture).
I appreciate your understanding. It's such a tough topic these days, it can cause so much controversy. It's so much better to have friendly debates rather than plain out fighting. And can agree with believing in a higher being. I never liked the whole idol worship.
It is good to respect others as they would also respect us..if more people did have respect, this world would be a better place. Alot of the times people do let their own egos get the best of them. They start thinking they are gods! This angers me to a huge degree, and it seems this is what most people are being taught, and then they lead by example.
 

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Allah Akbar means "God is Greater". This is Islam has not changed from the old wars where the winner's god was stronger than the conquered god.

Convert or Die

9:5. And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
 

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Hindus claim Islam is rooted in hinduism.



Bloody Holiday Celebrations

Eid - sacrificing animals


Ashura - Ashura (Arabic: عَاشُورَاء, romanized: ʿĀshūrāʾ [ʕaːʃuːˈraːʔ]) is an Islamic holiday that occurs on the tenth day of Muharram, the first month in the Islamic lunar calendar.[4] In general, the two main practices performed on the day are fasting and mourning.[5] Ashura coincides with the date on which the Battle of Karbala took place, resulting in the martyrdom of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and a member of the Household of Muhammad (Ahl al-Bayt); for Shia Muslims, it is thus preeminently an occasion for mourning, often marked by commemorative processions. Furthermore, according to Muslim tradition, it marks the day in which God saved the prophet Moses (Musa) and his people from Pharaoh by parting the Red Sea; for Sunni Muslims, it is therefore primarily an occasion for supererogatory fasting. In North African folk traditions (e.g. Morocco, Algeria), the day is traditionally (though controversially) an occasion for celebration, often featuring dancing and masquerades.

Ashura is celebrated by cutting into their heads and their children's as well as self flagellation.


Hair, teeth, and footprints relics



Muhammad's hair relic to be delivered to Moscow for prophet's birthday celebration

A strand of hair, believed to be from the beard of Prophet Muhammad, is seen through a magnifying glass as it is presented to Bangladeshi Muslims at the National Mosque in Dhaka on February 21, 2012 GETTY IMAGES
Astrand of hair believed to belong to the prophet Muhammad will be brought to Moscow in occasion of the anniversary of the prophet's birthday on 3 January 2015. The relic will be transported to the capital from the Republic of Dagestan, in the North Caucasus, where around 83% of the population - 2.4 million out of 2.9 million - are Muslims. It will be escorted by Moscow Muslim Spiritual Department head Mufti Ildar Alyautdinov, Russian news agency TASS reported.

The hair is believed to be part of Muhammad's beard, which was shaved off by his favourite barber Salman after the prophet had died. The beard is contained in a glass reliquarium in Instambul's Topkapi Palace Museum. Other religious relics of the Prophet include: the Holy Mantel, which was given by Muhammad to an Arabian poet; the Battle Standard, believed to have served as a curtain over the tent of his wife's Aisha; the Sacred Seal, used by prophet as a ring to stamp documents; the Blessed Sandals; Muhammad's Teeth. Muhammad's Bowl, which was passed from generation to generation by descendants of the prophet, is kept in a mosque in Chechnya.
almost all the pagan gods are coded into the Koran.
 

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This stuff has already been debunked. It aint in Islam. Period. Now, if you would like to re-title this thread or start a new one called ""The heretical innovations regarding Islam by born-and-bred Muslims" that would be more accurate... but all of this stuff is either inaccurate or whats true has been proven to be outside of Islamic theological doctrine.
Just like the jews christians & islam man made "religious" garbage to either make money or grant power over nothing new under sun is there
 

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Just like the jews christians & islam man made "religious" garbage to either make money or grant power over nothing new under sun is there
As I have posted before... first off, I aint no saint. But secondly, I dont think Moses, Jesus or Muhammed would co-sign whats passing for the monotheistic theological lineage these days...
 

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As I have posted before... first off, I aint no saint. But secondly, I dont think Moses, Jesus or Muhammed would co-sign whats passing for the monotheistic theological lineage these days...
Exactly...thats the whole reason i aint a saint either but i can at least come to that realization, however most won't self reflect in a mirror and call out their own BS they go with the flow... this from a christian prespect is some one that is there for the status etc not wanting the things of GOD....just the status of looking good in the community.
 
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"The Prophet Muhammad said: 'Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.' This is a promise made by Allah and His Messenger. [The Prophet said:]

'The Muslims will kill [the Jews], until the rocks and the trees say: 'Oh Servant of Allah, there is a Jews behind me, come and kill him.'

As for the addition of 'except for the gharqad, which is one of the trees of the Jews' - I am one of the [scholars] who believe this part is not reliable. I believe that Imam Muslim quoted it in order to show that it is unreliable and therefore I believe that all the rocks and all the trees will be fighting the Jews along with the Muslims and will call upon the Muslims to kill the Jews.

These are Allah's promises and laws that govern us.
"Victory will not come on a golden platter. Victory is achieved through the blood of martyrs and over the skulls of the enemies. Victory is achieved by sacrificing money, life, and all that is precious." Dr. Abduljabbar Saeed

regaerdless of your dog shit intentions...ill own you and give you a good spanking.


1) Jeremiah 2+3
the tree/wood and stone/hill reference is made here and within these chapters, the jewish nations is called the 'adulteress/whore'.

They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
They have turned their backs to me
and not their faces;
yet when they are in trouble, they say,
‘Come and save us!’



2) in Habakkuk 2, a chapter about ancient babylon's chaldean rulers, it once again uses the symbolism of stones and wood, but this time as witnesses
“Woe to him who builds his house by unjust gain,
setting his nest on high
to escape the clutches of ruin!
10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples,
shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.
11 The stones of the wall will cry out,
and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

12 “Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed
and establishes a town by injustice!


yet in this chapter, it isnt talking about jews, as i said, it's about the Chaldeans and yet it uses the same symbolism...we then find that this symbolism is not about literal idolatry but also for spiritual idolatry wherein money (extortion/USURY) is used to enslave people and take ownership of their homes.

Furthermore within this chapter, the fall of the chaldeans/babylon is foretold as thus
6 “Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying,
“‘Woe to him who piles up stolen goods
and makes himself wealthy by extortion!
How long must this go on?’
7 Will not your creditors suddenly arise?
Will they not wake up and make you tremble?
Then you will become their prey.
8 Because you have plundered many nations,
the peoples who are left will plunder you.
For you have shed human blood;
you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

For you have shed human blood;
you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.


usury+the murder and enslavement of people

if that is the STANDARD in the bible, then how the fuck else would it apply to an entire nation built off the wealth of usury and the mass looting of the wealth of nations.
Eg the British East india trading company used to be owned by House Rothschild....
they looted $42 trillion from india...

if the chaldeans were condemned, what the actual pissing fuck do you think happens to these people?
should we forget that the same group of people created bolshevism with fake athiesm, to massacre 20-40m orthodox christians and loot their wealth once again?
they also inherited the national assets of all soviet nations in the post-communist era. This is on going today....
they've even looted the NHS and british schools through the private funding initiative, plunging them into heavy debt, which will lead to the privitisation of the health system and school system in the near future...

i'm so fkin angry when i type this given the absolute extent of what has happened, for you to just reduce the muslim position to nothing here.


3)
it goes even further...
Zechariah 5 then refers to this 'wicked woman' (as in the adulteress of jeremiah,representing the jewish elite) and once again it makes it clear that it refers to the money lending/usury business since it highlights the same theme of money...

3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished.
4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”


the theif is the money lender
the one who swears falsely is the one who takes the loan and cannot pay it back
then you also have the scroll itself ie the record..

and what does little islam have to say about this?
Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cursed the one who accepted usury, the one who paid it, the witness to it, and the one who recorded it. (Book #22, Hadith #3327)


yet again we see the theme of wood and stones aswell 'timbers and it's stones' and this links back to Habakkuk 2 also eg it makes the connection between the jewish elite and the chaldean elite in babylon.
Afterall, the jewish elite were enslaved by the chaldeans, taken into their homes and ultimately became their spiritual sons.

10 “Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11 He replied, “To the country of Babylonia[c] to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”



4) so what we're looking at, is the WHORE OF BABYLON system and it's fall.
unfortunately, even though muslims are going to bring about the fall of mystery babylon..and even though this event is celebrated by the angels...it is nonetheless a trap. the fall of babylon leads to the BEAST/dajjalic system.
hence the biggest trap for muslims is in how they view modern israel. if they understand that this is entirely a decoy created by the satanic ROME/VATICAN and even the antichrist figure is not the primary evil but only a facilitator who like Herod, will happily deal with rome.

the prophecy of the trees/stones does link to all of this, it is a prophetic theme obv going back to the bible itself.

5) and if you doubt the above, remember daniel 2's beasts...despite there being the end times Beast, combining elements of all the previous 4...
it was ultimately islam/muslims who brought about the end of the 4 beasts in the true sense.

Eg, the persian empire still existed as the sassanian empire. The greeks and romans became the byzantines. Babylon still existed, even though the bible promised it would fall completely.
it was islam/muslims who ended all of them...



lastly...
any connection you've made between islam and hinduism is either subjective, or it relies on shared concepts...eg the CUBE..even though the kaba is not a square cube, so it is no different to the jewish temple.
besides, hinduism is actually pretty deep in it's own right. there are many things in vedanta that match sufi islam. Advaita vedanta rejects polythiesm and is more in line with sikhism in that it is more open to panthiesm, but nonetheless they believe in a single Godhead and reject idolatory.

ill go further...the 7 lokas and 7 chakra system in hinduism is the foundation of the 7 heavens in islam. the corresponding prophets in the ascension of Mohammad, easily connect with the lokas/chakras and their symbolism.
Eg the throat chakra/5th loka...Aaron was on the 5th heaven.
the sacral chakra/2nd loka...it's symbol is WATER and Birth/rebirth aswell as fertility/sexual energy eg the fountain of life being the etheric lifeforce. Prophet Mohammad saw Jesus and John the baptist here. This obv wasnt a literal experience (ie to say that Jesus is actuallyon the 2nd heaven and not above it) but it was symbolic of what these levels represent.

so your shitty attempt to link islam to hinduism failed because hinduism is not even that bad when you really understand it.
in the Gita, krishna was pretty much talking up the concept of jihad and martydom lmfao. he was talking about the 7 heavens and the concept of eternal hell fire (although he said it means being reborn again and again in lower forms of consciousness).
The concept of Turiya consciousness matches the hadith where the prophet said 'when you sleep, your soul returns to Allah'. that is turiya consciousness eg the state beyond Delta brainwave sleep. He also said 'my eyes sleep but my heart doesnt sleep' meaning he had attained 'consciousness beyond the delt brainwave state' ie attained turiya consciouess.
whereas in hinduism, we return to Brahman, in islam it was 'return to Allah'.

yet islam believes that every nation was given the truth and then went astray, so it isnt hard for muslims to understand that hindus once were on haqq...in fact early muslims in india came to understand eventually that 'DHARMA/THE LAW (same meaning as torah/islam)' was the 'religion of ADAM'

just like muslims believe scriptures were altered or misinterpreted, the same rings true here. islam is too strong in it's theology, in how it views other religions. likewise taoist philosophy also shares many parallels with islam aswell as with christianity.
there would have been an ancient universal truth. in fact even in the tao te ching, it speaks of 'the ancients' as if they were greater and had better standards of truth/lifestyle etc. Which makes me think, if the tao te ching's message is so great (and correlates/explains aspects of the NT and the Quran so well eg the khidr vs moses story, the topic of faith vs works etc) and yet it regerds it's own time period as weak compared to that of 'the ancients' then it makes sense that there were great periods and prophets in all these places long before they became 'hinduism and taoism'.

furthermore...
it is even possible that Abraham and Sarah, the names...were connected with Brahma and Sarasvati...not even to say they were the same, they obv werent since they have very different meanings and stories. Brahma represents causation itself and Sarasvati being the 'consort of brahma' represents the duality within causation whereby you have male and female (not to be confused with the yin/yang feminine/masculine) topic which links to causation and dissolution eg 'the first and the last', our metaphysical descent and ascent. Brahma and Sarasvati represent

for example..in the Quran Allah says after the creation of the souls (causation connected with the causal plane), Allah spoke to the souls and then they responded...ie there's a yin and yang within the yin itself...which also links to the iChing...
and that reminds me of the hadith

I said: Apostle of Allah I among us there are men who practise divination by drawing lines. He said: There was a Prophet who drew lines, so if anyone does it as he drew lines, that is right.
islam rejects all forms of divination except the 'drawing of lines' and that is, the iching.....and i can tell you having used the iching many times...it's verrry relevant and accurate to what goes on in your mind. when you use it.

now going back to the topic of brahma/sarasvati eg the yin and yang within causation...that also links to binary 0 and 1, whilst reality as a whole is often described as a 'program' based on the 'code' (which The divine scriptorium represents). hinduism calls that the akashic records...so it's the same thing. the same metaphysics...different interpretations of it all doesnt negate the shared truths within, afterall humans are made of the same stuff, share the same metaphysical reality and the rest is all interpretation.
everything advaita vedanta wanted...islam is...and ive got a book where they praise islam and diss pagan/polythiestic practices of mainstream hindus, saying it isnt true dharma.



what else do you have to say?
 
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Mirror Image of the Hindu "Om". Reversal, pagan.

apart from all of that being very subjective in how you chose the images...eg the stone didnt have that outer shell to begin with..
if you look into the shiva lingha idea and it's related theology, it is not a bad concept at all...so if it had a more theologically sound alternative within islam, then once again it's acheived what advaita vedanta wanted without all the pagan shit thrown in. that's a win for islam again.

it's basically just taking the better elements in the purest manner.

i find it interesting...the shiva linga however has a very different shape
 

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regaerdless of your dog shit intentions...ill own you and give you a good spanking.


1) Jeremiah 2+3
the tree/wood and stone/hill reference is made here and within these chapters, the jewish nations is called the 'adulteress/whore'.

They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
They have turned their backs to me
and not their faces;
yet when they are in trouble, they say,
‘Come and save us!’



2) in Habakkuk 2, a chapter about ancient babylon's chaldean rulers, it once again uses the symbolism of stones and wood, but this time as witnesses
“Woe to him who builds his house by unjust gain,
setting his nest on high
to escape the clutches of ruin!
10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples,
shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.
11 The stones of the wall will cry out,
and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

12 “Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed
and establishes a town by injustice!


yet in this chapter, it isnt talking about jews, as i said, it's about the Chaldeans and yet it uses the same symbolism...we then find that this symbolism is not about literal idolatry but also for spiritual idolatry wherein money (extortion/USURY) is used to enslave people and take ownership of their homes.

Furthermore within this chapter, the fall of the chaldeans/babylon is foretold as thus
6 “Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying,
“‘Woe to him who piles up stolen goods
and makes himself wealthy by extortion!
How long must this go on?’
7 Will not your creditors suddenly arise?
Will they not wake up and make you tremble?
Then you will become their prey.
8 Because you have plundered many nations,
the peoples who are left will plunder you.
For you have shed human blood;
you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

For you have shed human blood;
you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.


usury+the murder and enslavement of people

if that is the STANDARD in the bible, then how the fuck else would it apply to an entire nation built off the wealth of usury and the mass looting of the wealth of nations.
Eg the British East india trading company used to be owned by House Rothschild....
they looted $42 trillion from india...

if the chaldeans were condemned, what the actual pissing fuck do you think happens to these people?
should we forget that the same group of people created bolshevism with fake athiesm, to massacre 20-40m orthodox christians and loot their wealth once again?
they also inherited the national assets of all soviet nations in the post-communist era. This is on going today....
they've even looted the NHS and british schools through the private funding initiative, plunging them into heavy debt, which will lead to the privitisation of the health system and school system in the near future...

i'm so fkin angry when i type this given the absolute extent of what has happened, for you to just reduce the muslim position to nothing here.


3)
it goes even further...
Zechariah 5 then refers to this 'wicked woman' (as in the adulteress of jeremiah,representing the jewish elite) and once again it makes it clear that it refers to the money lending/usury business since it highlights the same theme of money...

3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished.
4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”


the theif is the money lender
the one who swears falsely is the one who takes the loan and cannot pay it back
then you also have the scroll itself ie the record..

and what does little islam have to say about this?
Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cursed the one who accepted usury, the one who paid it, the witness to it, and the one who recorded it. (Book #22, Hadith #3327)


yet again we see the theme of wood and stones aswell 'timbers and it's stones' and this links back to Habakkuk 2 also eg it makes the connection between the jewish elite and the chaldean elite in babylon.
Afterall, the jewish elite were enslaved by the chaldeans, taken into their homes and ultimately became their spiritual sons.

10 “Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11 He replied, “To the country of Babylonia[c] to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”




4) so what we're looking at, is the WHORE OF BABYLON system and it's fall.
unfortunately, even though muslims are going to bring about the fall of mystery babylon..and even though this event is celebrated by the angels...it is nonetheless a trap. the fall of babylon leads to the BEAST/dajjalic system.
hence the biggest trap for muslims is in how they view modern israel. if they understand that this is entirely a decoy created by the satanic ROME/VATICAN and even the antichrist figure is not the primary evil but only a facilitator who like Herod, will happily deal with rome.

the prophecy of the trees/stones does link to all of this, it is a prophetic theme obv going back to the bible itself.

5) and if you doubt the above, remember daniel 2's beasts...despite there being the end times Beast, combining elements of all the previous 4...
it was ultimately islam/muslims who brought about the end of the 4 beasts in the true sense.

Eg, the persian empire still existed as the sassanian empire. The greeks and romans became the byzantines. Babylon still existed, even though the bible promised it would fall completely.
it was islam/muslims who ended all of them...



lastly...
any connection you've made between islam and hinduism is either subjective, or it relies on shared concepts...eg the CUBE..even though the kaba is not a square cube, so it is no different to the jewish temple.
besides, hinduism is actually pretty deep in it's own right. there are many things in vedanta that match sufi islam. Advaita vedanta rejects polythiesm and is more in line with sikhism in that it is more open to panthiesm, but nonetheless they believe in a single Godhead and reject idolatory.

ill go further...the 7 lokas and 7 chakra system in hinduism is the foundation of the 7 heavens in islam. the corresponding prophets in the ascension of Mohammad, easily connect with the lokas/chakras and their symbolism.
Eg the throat chakra/5th loka...Aaron was on the 5th heaven.
the sacral chakra/2nd loka...it's symbol is WATER and Birth/rebirth aswell as fertility/sexual energy eg the fountain of life being the etheric lifeforce. Prophet Mohammad saw Jesus and John the baptist here. This obv wasnt a literal experience (ie to say that Jesus is actuallyon the 2nd heaven and not above it) but it was symbolic of what these levels represent.

so your shitty attempt to link islam to hinduism failed because hinduism is not even that bad when you really understand it.
in the Gita, krishna was pretty much talking up the concept of jihad and martydom lmfao. he was talking about the 7 heavens and the concept of eternal hell fire (although he said it means being reborn again and again in lower forms of consciousness).
The concept of Turiya consciousness matches the hadith where the prophet said 'when you sleep, your soul returns to Allah'. that is turiya consciousness eg the state beyond Delta brainwave sleep. He also said 'my eyes sleep but my heart doesnt sleep' meaning he had attained 'consciousness beyond the delt brainwave state' ie attained turiya consciouess.
whereas in hinduism, we return to Brahman, in islam it was 'return to Allah'.

yet islam believes that every nation was given the truth and then went astray, so it isnt hard for muslims to understand that hindus once were on haqq...in fact early muslims in india came to understand eventually that 'DHARMA/THE LAW (same meaning as torah/islam)' was the 'religion of ADAM'

just like muslims believe scriptures were altered or misinterpreted, the same rings true here. islam is too strong in it's theology, in how it views other religions. likewise taoist philosophy also shares many parallels with islam aswell as with christianity.
there would have been an ancient universal truth. in fact even in the tao te ching, it speaks of 'the ancients' as if they were greater and had better standards of truth/lifestyle etc. Which makes me think, if the tao te ching's message is so great (and correlates/explains aspects of the NT and the Quran so well eg the khidr vs moses story, the topic of faith vs works etc) and yet it regerds it's own time period as weak compared to that of 'the ancients' then it makes sense that there were great periods and prophets in all these places long before they became 'hinduism and taoism'.

furthermore...
it is even possible that Abraham and Sarah, the names...were connected with Brahma and Sarasvati...not even to say they were the same, they obv werent since they have very different meanings and stories. Brahma represents causation itself and Sarasvati being the 'consort of brahma' represents the duality within causation whereby you have male and female (not to be confused with the yin/yang feminine/masculine) topic which links to causation and dissolution eg 'the first and the last', our metaphysical descent and ascent. Brahma and Sarasvati represent

for example..in the Quran Allah says after the creation of the souls (causation connected with the causal plane), Allah spoke to the souls and then they responded...ie there's a yin and yang within the yin itself...which also links to the iChing...
and that reminds me of the hadith

I said: Apostle of Allah I among us there are men who practise divination by drawing lines. He said: There was a Prophet who drew lines, so if anyone does it as he drew lines, that is right.
islam rejects all forms of divination except the 'drawing of lines' and that is, the iching.....and i can tell you having used the iching many times...it's verrry relevant and accurate to what goes on in your mind. when you use it.

now going back to the topic of brahma/sarasvati eg the yin and yang within causation...that also links to binary 0 and 1, whilst reality as a whole is often described as a 'program' based on the 'code' (which The divine scriptorium represents). hinduism calls that the akashic records...so it's the same thing. the same metaphysics...different interpretations of it all doesnt negate the shared truths within, afterall humans are made of the same stuff, share the same metaphysical reality and the rest is all interpretation.
everything advaita vedanta wanted...islam is...and ive got a book where they praise islam and diss pagan/polythiestic practices of mainstream hindus, saying it isnt true dharma.



what else do you have to say?
You went deep and I really enjoyed reading your posts!
"besides, hinduism is actually pretty deep in it's own right"
Any religion with origins listed in a world book as being so ancient they were "lost in the swirling sands of time" must be something serious. The WB staff wasnt known to wax poetic, so that reverence is substantial...
 

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It's Ashura time!

SHOW OF FAITH Ashura festival shows devout Muslims covered in blood as the gash themselves with swords to mark holy day
In the Shiite-dominated Baghdad suburb of Sadr City, processions of men and boys expressed extreme fervour in the Ashura rituals of self-flagellation. They beat their heads and chests in unison and whipped themselves with chains until blood started flowing. “We inherited this from our fathers and grandfathers,” said participant Hamza Abdul-Jalil. “God willing, we will continue on this path.” [inherited from Paganism]

God does not want this.



The Taliban Are Wrecking Ashura Too - They are pretty Muslim but they don't like Ashura. Afghan muslims don't seem to cut their heads.


Muharram 2022: Juloos, majlis, blood donation to mark Ashura day in Mumbai - In Mumbai people donate blood. That's smart.



Syrian Muslims don't cut their heads.
 

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It's Ashura time!

SHOW OF FAITH Ashura festival shows devout Muslims covered in blood as the gash themselves with swords to mark holy day
In the Shiite-dominated Baghdad suburb of Sadr City, processions of men and boys expressed extreme fervour in the Ashura rituals of self-flagellation. They beat their heads and chests in unison and whipped themselves with chains until blood started flowing. “We inherited this from our fathers and grandfathers,” said participant Hamza Abdul-Jalil. “God willing, we will continue on this path.” [inherited from Paganism]

God does not want this.



The Taliban Are Wrecking Ashura Too - They are pretty Muslim but they don't like Ashura. Afghan muslims don't seem to cut their heads.


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Syrian Muslims don't cut their heads.
Hmmmm... it appears you are chosing to highlite the fact that these self-harm rituals are outside of actual Islam. Thank you for that.

"“We inherited this from our fathers and grandfathers,” said participant Hamza Abdul-Jalil."
As has already been discussed here... from this stuff to hadeeth to etc. they are just like the non-believers mentioned in the Quran who when asked/warned about their heretical behavior say "We are doing what our forefathers did, should we change and do what you do?" How do you feel about the ritual where Jewish Rabbi's will drink the blood from a male infants penis after circumcision? Its an even weirder, outside-of-the faith-blood-ritual than the ones you have posted here so far...
 

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Hmmmm... it appears you are chosing to highlite the fact that these self-harm rituals are outside of actual Islam. Thank you for that.

"“We inherited this from our fathers and grandfathers,” said participant Hamza Abdul-Jalil."
As has already been discussed here... from this stuff to hadeeth to etc. they are just like the non-believers mentioned in the Quran who when asked/warned about their heretical behavior say "We are doing what our forefathers did, should we change and do what you do?" How do you feel about the ritual where Jewish Rabbi's will drink the blood from a male infants penis after circumcision? Its an even weirder, outside-of-the faith-blood-ritual than the ones you have posted here so far...
I am not talking about ALL Muslims. These are the bloody violent pagan Muslims I am high lighting in this thread that will kill their fellow human beings and themselves to gain 72 virgins in heaven.

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