Paganism in Islam

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Hindus claim Islam is rooted in hinduism.



Bloody Holiday Celebrations

Eid - sacrificing animals


Ashura - Ashura (Arabic: عَاشُورَاء, romanized: ʿĀshūrāʾ [ʕaːʃuːˈraːʔ]) is an Islamic holiday that occurs on the tenth day of Muharram, the first month in the Islamic lunar calendar.[4] In general, the two main practices performed on the day are fasting and mourning.[5] Ashura coincides with the date on which the Battle of Karbala took place, resulting in the martyrdom of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and a member of the Household of Muhammad (Ahl al-Bayt); for Shia Muslims, it is thus preeminently an occasion for mourning, often marked by commemorative processions. Furthermore, according to Muslim tradition, it marks the day in which God saved the prophet Moses (Musa) and his people from Pharaoh by parting the Red Sea; for Sunni Muslims, it is therefore primarily an occasion for supererogatory fasting. In North African folk traditions (e.g. Morocco, Algeria), the day is traditionally (though controversially) an occasion for celebration, often featuring dancing and masquerades.

Ashura is celebrated by cutting into their heads and their children's as well as self flagellation.


Hair, teeth, and footprints relics



Muhammad's hair relic to be delivered to Moscow for prophet's birthday celebration

A strand of hair, believed to be from the beard of Prophet Muhammad, is seen through a magnifying glass as it is presented to Bangladeshi Muslims at the National Mosque in Dhaka on February 21, 2012 GETTY IMAGES
Astrand of hair believed to belong to the prophet Muhammad will be brought to Moscow in occasion of the anniversary of the prophet's birthday on 3 January 2015. The relic will be transported to the capital from the Republic of Dagestan, in the North Caucasus, where around 83% of the population - 2.4 million out of 2.9 million - are Muslims. It will be escorted by Moscow Muslim Spiritual Department head Mufti Ildar Alyautdinov, Russian news agency TASS reported.

The hair is believed to be part of Muhammad's beard, which was shaved off by his favourite barber Salman after the prophet had died. The beard is contained in a glass reliquarium in Instambul's Topkapi Palace Museum. Other religious relics of the Prophet include: the Holy Mantel, which was given by Muhammad to an Arabian poet; the Battle Standard, believed to have served as a curtain over the tent of his wife's Aisha; the Sacred Seal, used by prophet as a ring to stamp documents; the Blessed Sandals; Muhammad's Teeth. Muhammad's Bowl, which was passed from generation to generation by descendants of the prophet, is kept in a mosque in Chechnya.
 

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This stuff has already been debunked. It aint in Islam. Period. Now, if you would like to re-title this thread or start a new one called ""The heretical innovations regarding Islam by born-and-bred Muslims" that would be more accurate... but all of this stuff is either inaccurate or whats true has been proven to be outside of Islamic theological doctrine.
 

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This stuff has already been debunked. It aint in Islam. Period. Now, if you would like to re-title this thread or start a new one called ""The heretical innovations regarding Islam by born-and-bred Muslims" that would be more accurate... but all of this stuff is either inaccurate or whats true has been proven to be outside of Islamic theological doctrine.
Are the pictures of Eid and Ashura fake?
 
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Any culture that will use cutting as a ritual must be horrible. The pictures with the kids having that happen to them was absolutely disgusting. God would never want us to do this to ourselves!
I’d be wary of some things that are posted on here as the “truth”. From my own perspective, Not only have I had the great opportunity to volunteer and work with Muslims, I also have friends who practice the faith, and I can tell you they don’t do any of this. They’re all God-fearing and revering individuals, and want nothing but the best for people. I would even say they put Christians to shame because they take time out of their day for their daily prayers at work. I personally know this because I was responsible for finding a small and private room for them for a certain time of the day in our office building.

While I obviously can’t be responsible for this, always keep in mind what @Sia said here:

“There are people whose jobs is to go around the internet and join sites like these to put doubts in people’s minds and shake up their focus.”
 
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Are the pictures of Eid and Ashura fake?
No. Im saying that stuff is outside of Islam. Its just their own inventions/innovations. Now perhaps yall begin to see why I have such a big problem with born-and-bred Muslims... this stuff, the stuff in the Aisha thread... its not Islam. But there are so many of these people that our revert voices are easily drowned out by the b-n-b "Muslims" blasphemy which masquerades as authentic Islam.
 
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I’d be wary of some things that are posted on here as the “truth”. From my own perspective, Not only have I had the great opportunity to volunteer and work with Muslims, I also have friends who practice the faith, and I can tell you they don’t do any of this. They’re all God-fearing and revering individuals, and want nothing but the best for people. I would even say they put Christians to shame because they take time out of their day for their daily prayers at work. I personally know this because I was responsible for finding a small and private room for them for a certain time of the day in our office building.

While I obviously can’t be responsible for this, always keep what @Sia said here:

“There are people whose jobs is to go around the internet and join sites like these to put doubts in people’s minds and shake up their focus.”
I understand some things here could be made to be truth when it isn't, I just don't trust the Muslim faith. I guess that's why I'm skeptical.
Edit:I definitely don't believe in Sharia Law. That to me is pretty awful, sadly.
 

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I understand some things here could be made to be truth when it isn't, I just don't trust the Muslim faith. I guess that's why I'm skeptical.
Edit:I definitely don't believe in Sharia Law. That to me is pretty awful, sadly.
Islam is like the other two major monotheistic faiths (Judaism and Christianity) in that the issues dont lie with the religions original structure... the issues lie with the "practitioners" and if I was presented with what modern born-and-bred Muslims are promoting as sharia I would reject it as well. Shariah is intended to function in a drastically different dynamic than what its modern, b-n-b incarnation has become.
 
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Islam is like the other two major monotheistic faiths (Judaism and Christianity) in that the issues dont lie with the religions original structure... the issues lie with the "practitioners" and if I was presented with what modern born-and-bred Muslims are promoting as sharia I would reject it as well. Shariah is intended to function in a drastically different dynamic than what its modern, b-n-b incarnation has become.
I can kind of understand this, yeah. There are different sectors in the religion itself. Seems when the MSM wants people to sympathise with Islam, they mostly mean the ones that are going by Sharia Law. It's all meant to divide and destroy.
I also get skeptical about them believing that the son of God is the prophet of God.
 

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I can kind of understand this, yeah. There are different sectors in the religion itself. Seems when the MSM wants people to sympathise with Islam, they mostly mean the ones that are going by Sharia Law. It's all meant to divide and destroy.
I also get skeptical about them believing that the son of God is the prophet of God.
Islam/Muslims are just like every other topic/group to the MSM... treat them with kid gloves when it advances the powers that be agendas... then throw them under the bus to advance another angle of their agenda. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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Islam/Muslims are just like every other topic/group to the MSM... treat them with kid gloves when it advances the powers that be agendas... then throw them under the bus to advance another angle of their agenda. Wash, rinse, repeat.
And this is why so many are so confused sometimes! It's crazy that they can't even keep their beliefs and ideals straight.
 
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Crazy in the sense that its madness... but it also aligns with the specific, logical plans of satan and his followers.
Exactly. This is what satan wants...he doesn't want us to never be able to think for ourselves and see what's truly there. The madness that becomes their logical plan is quite the paradox it seem.
 
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I understand some things here could be made to be truth when it isn't, I just don't trust the Muslim faith. I guess that's why I'm skeptical.
Edit:I definitely don't believe in Sharia Law. That to me is pretty awful, sadly.
I just did a cursory search with regard to Sharia Law. Not surprisingly, it's not what it's made out to be. Here's an excerpt from the article I posted below:

"It does not endorse treating women as inferior or preventing them from joining any profession, nor does it condone taqiyya (lying to nonbelievers). All these are innovations that later crept into Islam."

Misconceptions About Sharia Law

Further, it is an Abrahamic religion, and I think it would be wise to discuss it with people IRL rather than some random individuals who post some stuff on a forum that are attempting to sully it. It's just a divide and conquer strategy that sadly, many people with confirmation biases fall for. I personally think it's best to have an open mind and heart when comes to discussing religions because only then, we will be able to understand what true evil really is and WHO exactly is perpetuating it. I mean, what religion are the people who head the fiat monetary system (Federal Reserve), the UN, the WHO? Those people seem to want to supress humanity spiritually/psychologically on a global scale.
 
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I just did a cursory search with regard to Sharia Law. Not surprisingly, it's not what it's made out to be. Here's an excerpt from the article I posted below:

"It does not endorse treating women as inferior or preventing them from joining any profession, nor does it condone taqiyya (lying to nonbelievers). All these are innovations that later crept into Islam."

Misconceptions About Sharia Law

Further, it is an Abrahamic religion, and I think it would be wise to discuss it with people IRL rather than some random individuals who post some stuff on a forum that are attempting to sully it. It's just a divide and conquer strategy that sadly, many people with confirmation biases fall for. I personally think it's best to have an open mind and heart when comes to discussing religions because only then, we will be able to understand what true evil really is and WHO exactly is perpetuating it. I mean, what religion are the people who head the fiat monetary system (Federal Reserve), the UN, the WHO? Those people seem to want to supress humanity spiritually/psychologically on a global scale.
This is why discussing religion can be so tough. It's always a crazy debate and sometimes it doesn't go anywhere, either.
I understand they are using divide and conquer with certain people's beliefs and biases. It's really sad this is happening.
I do feel bad, because you researched and found the misconceptions of Sharia law, but I'm sorry I just don't know if I can agree to it. There is just so much to be skeptical about... although I just tend to put so much into the air, because there are lies from all sides, and who knows what to believe in, anymore? Except for God, everything else is skewered and all over the place. Hope this makes sense lol.
Plus, this site seems to have much friendly (and unfortunately) unfriendly debate within it. Just human nature, I suppose :p
 

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I just did a cursory search with regard to Sharia Law. Not surprisingly, it's not what it's made out to be. Here's an excerpt from the article I posted below:

"It does not endorse treating women as inferior or preventing them from joining any profession, nor does it condone taqiyya (lying to nonbelievers). All these are innovations that later crept into Islam."

Misconceptions About Sharia Law

Further, it is an Abrahamic religion, and I think it would be wise to discuss it with people IRL rather than some random individuals who post some stuff on a forum that are attempting to sully it. It's just a divide and conquer strategy that sadly, many people with confirmation biases fall for. I personally think it's best to have an open mind and heart when comes to discussing religions because only then, we will be able to understand what true evil really is and WHO exactly is perpetuating it. I mean, what religion are the people who head the fiat monetary system (Federal Reserve), the UN, the WHO? Those people seem to want to supress humanity spiritually/psychologically on a global scale.
"open mind and heart when comes to discussing religions"

Oh its the Jews!
 
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This is why discussing religion can be so tough. It's always a crazy debate and sometimes it doesn't go anywhere, either.
I understand they are using divide and conquer with certain people's beliefs and biases. It's really sad this is happening.
I do feel bad, because you researched and found the misconceptions of Sharia law, but I'm sorry I just don't know if I can agree to it. There is just so much to be skeptical about... although I just tend to put so much into the air, because there are lies from all sides, and who knows what to believe in, anymore? Except for God, everything else is skewered and all over the place. Hope this makes sense lol.
Plus, this site seems to have much friendly (and unfortunately) unfriendly debate within it. Just human nature, I suppose :p
I couldn't agree with you more. As the saying goes, the toughest conversations to have is about religion and/or politics. That said, I don't think you need to agree with it, but be wise enough to understand it. I'm not a Muslim, but I do respect the faith in that they acknowledge a supreme being, which is what I was taught being raised in a Christian family.

I would even go so far as to say there are probably going to be disagreements in our own circles of friends and family, as @Daze has mentioned, of HOW we worship, but to acknowledge the fact that they understand there's a power higher than themselves and man, or idols is definitely a start. IMHO, I think it's great to know people who know there's a force greater than our own thoughts, ego of man and psychical idols, which is essentially pagan worship. I've gone to school and worked with many people of many religions, and while I might not agree with their traditions and ceremonies (never understood confirmations, but hey...:)), I still respected them and realized that was they knew because of their surroundings (nurture).
 
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"open mind and heart when comes to discussing religions"

Oh its the Jews!
Your incessant whining on here is laughable. As for the "Jews", I have Jewish friends, who've actually introduced me to Jewish Voice for Peace. Add to it, I have others who've campaigned FOR Palestine (one tells me they probably won't be able to go Israel anymore due to their publicity, and one that got slapped by someone who was in support of the IDF in front of the Israeli Consulate) so just continue to play the victim on here...
 

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"The Prophet Muhammad said: 'Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.' This is a promise made by Allah and His Messenger. [The Prophet said:]

'The Muslims will kill [the Jews], until the rocks and the trees say: 'Oh Servant of Allah, there is a Jews behind me, come and kill him.'

As for the addition of 'except for the gharqad, which is one of the trees of the Jews' - I am one of the [scholars] who believe this part is not reliable. I believe that Imam Muslim quoted it in order to show that it is unreliable and therefore I believe that all the rocks and all the trees will be fighting the Jews along with the Muslims and will call upon the Muslims to kill the Jews.

These are Allah's promises and laws that govern us.
"Victory will not come on a golden platter. Victory is achieved through the blood of martyrs and over the skulls of the enemies. Victory is achieved by sacrificing money, life, and all that is precious." Dr. Abduljabbar Saeed
 
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