Paganism and Easter

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Easter is a time of celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, it's got nothing to do with paganism..:)

 

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Easter is a time of celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, it's got nothing to do with paganism..:)

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Nothing about Halloween is about celebrating the death of Jesus. Its not Christian at all in fact. But you already know that. Its origins are pagan (Celtic) and its still pagan to this day.

Anything that has to do with trick-or-treating, ghosts, witches, sorcerers, astrologers, death etc. cannot be about Jesus can it?

Philippians 4:8 says, "Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." As a logical thinking person, consider for a moment what you are celebrating and what Halloween is all about. Is the holiday uplifting? Is Halloween pure? Is it lovely, praiseworthy, or of good report? Is Halloween based on godly themes such as the idea of peace, freedom and salvation or does the holiday bring to mind feelings of fear, oppression and bondage?

Additionally, does the Bible sanction witchcraft, witches, and sorcery? On the contrary, the Bible makes it clear that these practices are an abomination to the Lord. The Bible goes on to say in Leviticus 20:27 that anyone who practised witchcraft, soothsaying, sorcery should be killed. Deuteronomy 18:9-13 adds, “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you … one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord.”

No Christian should be celebrating it. Ephesians 5:11 says, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." So we should not not only have any association with any type of dark activity BUT we should also shed light on this topic to those around us. Part of this is from a previous post in this thread here.
 
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Nothing about Halloween is about celebrating the death of Jesus. Its not Christian at all in fact. But you already know that. Its origins are pagan (Celtic) and its still pagan to this day...
Halloween celebrates assorted Christian saints and martyrs, but has been hijacked by kids for a bit of harmless fun dressing up as witches and spooks, they don't take it seriously..:)

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Halloween celebrates assorted Christian saints and martyrs, but has been hijacked by kids for a bit of harmless fun dressing up as witches and spooks, they don't take it seriously..:)

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Halloween is a PAGAN holiday, just like Xmas/Yuletide/Saturnalia (which Christ HATES - Rev. 2:6; 2:15) and Ishtar/Easter, all of which were incorporated into Roman Catholicism to make its religion business more "universal", to attract more paying customers. And the harlot daughters of Roman Catholicism, aka the Protestant denominations, seem to have adopted most of the traditions of the great whore.

No one should be celebrating the dead for ANY reason. Only the spiritually dead do such things, whether they take such things seriously or not.

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the "Dead" (those under God's death sentence for treason - Rev. 12:7-9; Luke 9:55) bury their dead.

Revelation 20:12-15
20:12 And I saw the "Dead", small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another Book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life: and the "Dead" were judged out of those things which were written in the Books, according to their works.
20:13 And the "sea" gave up the "Dead" which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their WORKS.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the "Lake of Fire". This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the "Lake of Fire".

These PAGAN "holy" days (holidays) make a mockery of The Holy One (God), as they celebrate the traditions of men. Traditions that make the Commandments of God of no effect (where we find the true Holy Days God reserved for His Purposes).

Matthew 15:3-6
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition.

Anyone who has been duped into believing that the Lamb of God was born in the dead of winter, at the time when pagans celebrate their yuletide/saturnalia/xmas nonsense, or that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus has anything to do with ishtar/easter (the "goddess" of fertility) bunnies and ishtar/easter eggs, or that we should be celebrating the dead on "hallowed eve", is still among the spiritually dead.

There are no "saints" here in a world full of sinners.

The Way home or face The Fire

We are all spiritual-Beings (Souls) who are temporarily incarnated/incarcerated inside human animal bodies, to teach us right from wrong and good from evil. All pagan "holidays" are evil, celebrated by the spiritually dead, who prefer lies over the truth (Isa. 30:8-15).

Luke 20:34-38
20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the "Dead", neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection (re-sure-rection - re-sure of who is Right - God).
20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
20:38 For He is NOT a God of the "Dead", but of the Living: for all live unto Him.
 
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You'll be teling us that crucifixes and churches are pagan next..:)
And why not? The churches (synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) are condemned throughout Scripture as pagan places of business/worship (places where God does NOT dwell - Acts 7:48; 17:24) and no one should be wearing a crucifix around their neck (or any other graven image).

If you want a reminder of the cross that Jesus was crucified on, then go stand in front of the mirror and hold your body's arms straight out from its sides. THAT is the cross to bear, that each of us (the spiritual-Being/Soul) have been COMMANDED to crucify DAILY.

Luke 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Luke 14:26-27
14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own (human) life also, he can NOT be my disciple.
14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, can NOT be my disciple.


Galatians 2:20 My "Self" is crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I (the "Self"), but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

If people would DO as Christ COMMANDS, instead of thinking themselves clever in following the traditions of their ancestors and the ways of this world, all of these silly superstitions would go away, as no one would be fool enough to follow them instead of Christ.

You can either choose to follow Christ (The Way home) to God or you can continue to follow the traditions of men (Xmas, Ishtar/Easter, Halloween, etc.) into The Fire.

It's either one or the other.
 

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Halloween celebrates assorted Christian saints and martyrs, but has been hijacked by kids for a bit of harmless fun dressing up as witches and spooks, they don't take it seriously..:)

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Like other "Christian" celebrations like Easter and Christmas, the Catholic Church turned a pagan day into a pretend Christian one. Nothing new there.

THE ROOT OF HALLOWEEN.
Halloween means "All Hallow Even," or the evening which precedes "All Saints Day" (a Catholic holiday celebrating all dead saints). The customs of this "holiday," which falls on October thirty-first, actually predates Christianity. According to the Encyclopedia, "The Druids, members of pagan orders in Britain, Ireland, and Gaul, held a celebration on October 31st, the eve of the Festival of Samhain. It was a night of ghosts and fairies, in which bonfires were built and futures were foretold and witches rode through the sky." Samhain, in ancient Druidic tradition, is the "lord of the dead." How appropriate, then, is it that the Catholic Church should align itself with this pagan tradition in honouring the dead? Unfortunately, because it was sanctioned by the "Mother Church," this fact seemed to condone its observance to many of those in early Christendom. And, as we have well observed today, its horrid tradition is carried through much of modern Christendom as well.

The Roman Catholic Church adopted this holiday (Holy Day) from the pagan Celtics. Yet the Word of God tells us to NOT worship Him how the pagans did and to NOT commune with the dead. And to NOT follow after the traditions of men!

Ecclesiastes 9:5, "For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten."

Isaiah 8:19, "And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?"

2 Corinthians 6:14, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?"

Colossians 2:8, "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ."
 
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WHY DID LUTHER CHOOSE HALLOWEEN?
It is no accident that the great reformer chose October 31 to post his 95 objections in 1517.
The origin of Halloween dates back to a pagan harvest Celtic festival known as Samhain. This festival was adopted by the Romans and later the Catholics who ultimately renamed November 1 as “All Saints Day” in honour of the deceased Saints.

Luther’s main concern was the sale of indulgences. He knew on this occasion great crowds, including the educated classes, would be coming to the church to view the “relics” of the saints, another practice he protested. All Saints' Day, was also called All-Hallows Day— and of course the night before was considered All-Hallows Eve, the precursor of the word Halloween.

The church doors of Wittenberg were something of a public bulletin board. Luther knew thousands of pilgrims would see his theses which he hoped would spark study and reform among religious leaders. It worked better than he expected. Great marketing.

Let's remember Reformation day, and not Halloween. Let us remember, that we are to Protest the Roman Catholic Church and it's teachings, and NOT join hands with her! Come out from among her.
 
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Hey Phipps and Freeman, no offence but you sound like you're Jehovah's Witnesses, so can you confirm that you are or aren't?..;)
 
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No, the custom of trading gifts back and forth does not stem from this scriptural incident at all, but rather, as quoted from history above, it is the continuance of an ancient pagan custom. Instead of honouring Christ, it invariably retards His Work, often sets it back, at the Christmas season every year.

So where does the tradition of exchanging gifts on Christmas come from?

From the Bibliotheca Sacra, volume 12, pages 153-155, we quote: “The interchange of presents between friends is alike characteristic of Christmas and the Saturnalia, and MUST HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CHRISTIANS FROM THE PAGANS, as the admonition of Tertullian plainly shows.”

The fact is, this custom fastened upon people of exchanging gifts with friends and relatives at the Christmas season HAS NOT A SINGLE TRACE OF CHRISTIANITY ABOUT IT.
I'm wondering if anyone has ever made a connection between the pagan feast of christmas and this verse.

Revelation 11:10

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves
10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth
 
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Jehovah's witnesses were founded by a freemason, that doesn't mean they don't get some things right, like not celebrating pagan holidays. A broken clock is right twice a day.

(Full disclosure: i am NOT a jehovah's witness. But i don't do pagan holidays, would prefer to avoid blood transfusions, and think excess patriotism is idolatry)
 

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Jehovah's witnesses were founded by a freemason, that doesn't mean they don't get some things right, like not celebrating pagan holidays. A broken clock is right twice a day.
(Full disclosure: i am NOT a jehovah's witness. But i don't do pagan holidays, would prefer to avoid blood transfusions, and think excess patriotism is idolatry)
Christmas celebrates Jesus's birth, and Easter celebrates his resurrection, they've completely over-ridden and stamped out paganism..:)
So if people don't celebrate those things it means paganism still has a hold on them, tut tut..:)
PS- what do you mean exactly by "excess patriotism is idolatry"?
 
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Christmas celebrates Jesus's birth, and Easter celebrates his resurrection, they've completely over-ridden and stamped out paganism..:)
So if people don't celebrate those things it means paganism still has a hold on them, tut tut..:)
PS- what do you mean exactly by "excess patriotism is idolatry"?
Scripture does not indicate Jesus was born anytime near late december. However, plenty of pagan festivals around the time of the winter solstice. So the catholics just renamed the pagan festivals in order to "convert" them.

I don't care if other people choose to celebrate it, my family doesnt. But if a Christian claims they're celebrating it and theyre making it about "santa" and presents then it has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.

Spring or fall are more likely times for Jesus' birth.

As for Jesus' resurrection, there's no need to refer to it as "easter" which brings connotations of ishtar/eostre or what ever name depending on the dialect, and the whole rabbits thing is obviously pagan fertility cult garbage.

I meant that people who worship their country/flag are being idolatrous in my opinion.
 

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..I don't care if other people choose to celebrate it, my family doesnt. But if a Christian claims they're celebrating it and theyre making it about "santa" and presents then it has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
...As for Jesus' resurrection, there's no need to refer to it as "easter" which brings connotations of ishtar/eostre or what ever name depending on the dialect, and the whole rabbits thing is obviously pagan fertility cult garbage..
Well you and your family could choose any other day of the year to celebrate Christmas/ Easter couldn't you?
 
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Well you and your family could choose any other day of the year to celebrate Christmas/ Easter couldn't you?
We do in a way.
We celebrate Jesus' birth in the fall. We don't call it christmas however, since there is no "mass" being celebrated.
Also celebrate Resurrection Day, as we call it.
 
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I don't think anybody actually "worships" their flag do they?
Rather flags are just harmless symbols..:)

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I was listening to a Christian radio station and in between sermons they did the pledge of allegiance. Sort of rubbed me the wrong way.
He finished by saying "God bless america" and i was just thinking with all the abominations we allow, how could He...
 

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..We celebrate Jesus' birth in the fall. We don't call it christmas however, since there is no "mass" being celebrated.
Also celebrate Resurrection Day, as we call it.
Dec 25th Christmas doesn't ignore Jesus, there are beautiful carols, pics, films and TV shows about him, and bible stories and parties and stuff, kids love it all, I know I did..:)
 
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