Paganism and Easter

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Reformation Day

The hype around Halloween has further clouded people’s eyes from another celebration on this day that is truly honouring to God—Reformation Day. October 31, 1517 is the day Martin Luther, who instigated the Protestant Reformation, nailed his 95 Theses on the door of a Wittenberg church. This momentous day changed the whole of Christendom as Luther advocated for an individual’s relationship with Christ based on faith, grace, and Scripture alone (sola fide, sola gratia, and sola scriptura) and not the authority of the Catholic Church.

Instead of celebrating a pagan festival shrouded in superstitions, darkness, and occult imagery, let’s focus on the light that this day represents—the light of God’s Word revealed to each and every person directly through the Scriptures and not through an institution, and let’s look for opportunities to spread this message to others on October 31 in keeping with the legacy of the Reformers.


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I like what you said about instead of celebrating a pagan festival shrouded in superstitions etc we should be celebrating the light of God's word that comes from the scriptures.
It's sad that people fall in love with concepts they have NO real knowledge of. I'm sure if they knew hallow's eve is satanic and satan is behind all the evil, bad, pain and suffering in the world, they would drop the celebration like a hot potato.
I see how people are emotionally attached to "holidays" even though they may be stressed out about the financial aspect that comes with it. It is so true what Jesus said in John 8:32 that truth shall set you FREE
 
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Christmas.

There's no command in the Bible to remember the birth of Christ. We do not know the actual day of His birth. God chose to conceal that day intentionally. The 25th of December is a date that was adopted by the church because it was already a popular pagan holiday within the Roman Empire. It was called the winter solstice. So we don't have to celebrate Christmas as Christians.

However we should remember and ponder upon Christ's birth regularly not just once a year. His birth is a mystery that testifies to the fact that the Son of God became “flesh” (John 1:14). The Creator became human in order to save us from sin and eternal death. We know prophecy was fulfilled exactly as predicted, Jesus was born in Bethlehem to a virgin. He was wrapped in swaddling clothes and lay in a manger. He lived a sinless life, was wounded for our transgressions, died and rose again and is now in heaven ministering for us in the heavenly sanctuary. Soon, He will come again as conquering King to take us home.
 

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Regardless of the date given for the Nativity, people who are prejudiced against the Church will find some connection to "paganism" and reasons to disparage it. In around 200 AD, St. Hippolytus of Rome gives the date of the Nativity as December 25, stemming from his belief that the world was created on the vernal equinox (March 25) and that Christ was conceived on the anniversary of this event. Adding 9 months to this date (the term of a pregnancy) gives December 25. You can read all about it here.

The first pagan festival celebrated precisely on December 25 was Sol Invictus, instituted by Aurelian in 274 AD. Also, according to Wikipedia: The Philocalian calendar of AD 354 gives a festival of "Natalis Invicti" on 25 December. There is limited evidence that this festival was celebrated before the mid-4th century. Whether this date was intended to celebrate solstice is doubtful; one scholar writes that "the cult of the Sun in pagan Rome ironically did not celebrate the winter solstice nor any of the other quarter-tense days, as one might expect".

The evidence seems to suggest that pagan cults tried to usurp Christian holidays, not the other way around. Besides, if it God's will that he should be born of a woman on the winter solstice, who's to say otherwise? He alone made the heavens and the earth and everything that is in them. The suggestion that because pagans worship God's creations in a debauched fashion, that has any bearing on the Incarnation or how Christian should or should not worship is preposterous.

P.S. The first list of New Testament books which matches the accepted canon is found in St. Athanasius' Easter letter of 367. This is much later than the recorded date of Christmas, and ironically was delivered on the other holiday some "Christians" like to disparage (the one for which this thread was created). If you think Christmas and Easter are pagan inventions, then please relinquish the Bible which, like these holidays, comes from the same Church. Find something else to base your mutilated religion on.
 

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Christmas.

There's no command in the Bible to remember the birth of Christ. We do not know the actual day of His birth. God chose to conceal that day intentionally. The 25th of December is a date that was adopted by the church because it was already a popular pagan holiday within the Roman Empire. It was called the winter solstice. So we don't have to celebrate Christmas as Christians.

However we should remember and ponder upon Christ's birth regularly not just once a year. His birth is a mystery that testifies to the fact that the Son of God became “flesh” (John 1:14). The Creator became human in order to save us from sin and eternal death. We know prophecy was fulfilled exactly as predicted, Jesus was born in Bethlehem to a virgin. He was wrapped in swaddling clothes and lay in a manger. He lived a sinless life, was wounded for our transgressions, died and rose again and is now in heaven ministering for us in the heavenly sanctuary. Soon, He will come again as conquering King to take us home.
One would think you'd make a new thread since this one's titled Easter? From an Islamic standpoint Jesus was born in warmer months. In the Quran it says Mary shook a date tree during labor to eat. Fruit doesn't fall unless its ripe.


Surah Maryam ayats 22-25
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I would have thought nearly every Christian knew Dec 25th was all about the winter solstice? There are numerous Christian channels who point this out and have been for years.

Of course Christmas itself is pagan, from the phallic symbol that is the Xmas tree to the "3 kings" literally being 3 stars, including Sirius.

Even if it wasn't the holiday is highly commercialized. Today its all about corporations making a buck. Not about Jesus (as) at all really.
 

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Regardless of the date given for the Nativity, people who are prejudiced against the Church will find some connection to "paganism" and reasons to disparage it. In around 200 AD, St. Hippolytus of Rome gives the date of the Nativity as December 25, stemming from his belief that the world was created on the vernal equinox (March 25) and that Christ was conceived on the anniversary of this event. Adding 9 months to this date (the term of a pregnancy) gives December 25. You can read all about it here.

The first pagan festival celebrated precisely on December 25 was Sol Invictus, instituted by Aurelian in 274 AD. Also, according to Wikipedia: The Philocalian calendar of AD 354 gives a festival of "Natalis Invicti" on 25 December. There is limited evidence that this festival was celebrated before the mid-4th century. Whether this date was intended to celebrate solstice is doubtful; one scholar writes that "the cult of the Sun in pagan Rome ironically did not celebrate the winter solstice nor any of the other quarter-tense days, as one might expect".

The evidence seems to suggest that pagan cults tried to usurp Christian holidays, not the other way around. Besides, if it God's will that he should be born of a woman on the winter solstice, who's to say otherwise? He alone made the heavens and the earth and everything that is in them. The suggestion that because pagans worship God's creations in a debauched fashion, that has any bearing on the Incarnation or how Christian should or should not worship is preposterous.

P.S. The first list of New Testament books which matches the accepted canon is found in St. Athanasius' Easter letter of 367. This is much later than the recorded date of Christmas, and ironically was delivered on the other holiday some "Christians" like to disparage (the one for which this thread was created). If you think Christmas and Easter are pagan inventions, then please relinquish the Bible which, like these holidays, comes from the same Church. Find something else to base your mutilated religion on.
I like the spirit of what the lead singer of this Christian reggae group says...

 

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What is your evidence for this claim?
The Bible and Christian history. Here are a few links.



 

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Regardless of the date given for the Nativity, people who are prejudiced against the Church will find some connection to "paganism" and reasons to disparage it. In around 200 AD, St. Hippolytus of Rome gives the date of the Nativity as December 25, stemming from his belief that the world was created on the vernal equinox (March 25) and that Christ was conceived on the anniversary of this event. Adding 9 months to this date (the term of a pregnancy) gives December 25. You can read all about it here.

The first pagan festival celebrated precisely on December 25 was Sol Invictus, instituted by Aurelian in 274 AD. Also, according to Wikipedia: The Philocalian calendar of AD 354 gives a festival of "Natalis Invicti" on 25 of December. There is limited evidence that this festival was celebrated before the mid-4th century. Whether this date was intended to celebrate solstice is doubtful; one scholar writes that "the cult of the Sun in pagan Rome ironically did not celebrate the winter solstice nor any of the other quarter-tense days, as one might expect".

The evidence seems to suggest that pagan cults tried to usurp Christian holidays, not the other way around. Besides, if it God's will that he should be born of a woman on the winter solstice, who's to say otherwise? He alone made the heavens and the earth and everything that is in them. The suggestion that because pagans worship God's creations in a debauched fashion, that has any bearing on the Incarnation or how Christian should or should not worship is preposterous.

P.S. The first list of New Testament books which matches the accepted canon is found in St. Athanasius' Easter letter of 367. This is much later than the recorded date of Christmas, and ironically was delivered on the other holiday some "Christians" like to disparage (the one for which this thread was created). If you think Christmas and Easter are pagan inventions, then please relinquish the Bible which, like these holidays, comes from the same Church. Find something else to base your mutilated religion on.
I don't see any scriptures that prove your claims. Christians should always refer to the Bible in everything that they do in their lives. The Bible is our safeguard. If its not in the Bible, and we are not specifically asked to remember those days, then they are man made traditions aren't they? Jesus spoke about man-made traditions (Mark 7:6-13) and Colossians 2:8 says, "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." In the New Testament there is no mention of Easter or Christmas nor did the apostles ever remember or celebrate them.

Easter and Christmas are man-made traditions. Christians like me who never celebrate them aren't disobeying God because He has never asked us to remember or celebrate them. The Word of God does not mention the 25th of December anywhere nor does anyone know the date of Jesus' birth because God concealed it. The only day we are asked to remember in the Bible is the Sabbath day:

Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

It is breaking the eternal law of God not to remember the Sabbath day of God every week. And that day is Saturday not Sunday according to the Bible. Most Christians go to Church on Sunday but that is another man-made tradition brought in from paganism by the Catholic church. The majority doing something doesn't equal right. In the Bible the majority are always wrong and the gate that leads to hell is wide while the gate the leads to heaven is narrow and difficult and few find it (Matthew 7:13-14).

As Christians should we put up Christmas trees in our houses, decorate them and place presents underneath them? How about Santa Claus? Reindeer and snowmen etc? What have all those things got to do with Jesus' birth? Christians should be able to tell the difference between man made tradition and God's Word. We should learn to differentiate between paganism and what is of God.

Jesus' birth, life on earth, death and resurrection should be remembered all the time and not just on one day. We can select any time (including the 25th of December if one so chooses) to meditate and reflect on how God lowered Himself and became a creature in order to save us from the power of sin and death. And as Christmas is a time people associate with Jesus’ birth, Christians have an opportunity to turn people’s minds to the true story of Jesus’ birth. They also can turn their attention to His life, His reason for coming to earth, and His death. Christmas provides an excellent opportunity to remind the human race that the Child born in Bethlehem is coming back soon.

My religion is not mutilated if its based on the Word of God is it?
 
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Paganism and Christmas

Special Catholic feasts coincide with pagan holy days, and are celebrated in one form or another by most cultures.
For example, Lady Day is a Catholic feast celebrated on March 25. This is also the feast held in honour of the goddess of Cybele in ancient times.

The 25th of December, which we celebrate as Christmas, was the commemorative day of the birth of the sun god.

The Christmas Tree
When Nimrod was destroyed, he was symbolized as the tree that was cut off. To this day, his rebirth is celebrated as the new branch (Christmas tree) that sprouts from the sawed-off stump through the life-giving power of the serpent. The ancient practice of celebrating the birth of the sun god through the fir tree is found in most ancient religions, even those of the ancient Indian cultures of South America. Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons (Filiquarian Publishing LLC., 2007): 196.

In England, Christmas is celebrated by throwing the Yule log into the fire, representing the destruction of Nimrod. The Christmas tree was then decorated, symbolizing the rebirth of the sun god.

Animals
The sacrificial animals on this day were the unclean animals such as the pig and the goose. Both these animals are the main Christmas meal in European countries.

Santa Claus
Santa Claus has virtually replaced Jesus Christ as the main feature of Christmas. Santa rides across the skies in his reindeer-drawn chariot. He is made acceptable by his friendly appearance, but he has the same characteristics as the ancient sun deities:

The birth of Osiris, the Egyptian sun god, coincided with the day of solstice, and on this day he would ride through the heavens in his chariot.

The Greek sun god Helios would ride through the sky in his sun chariot drawn by horses as depicted in the great fountain of Versailles.

In the Hindu culture, the Sûrya and his charioteer Aruna rides across the sky in a horse-drawn sun chariot. In other cultures, animals such as the goat (Zeus) or the reindeer pull the chariot.

"Origin of Santa Claus: 4th century: Historical evidence shows that St. Nicholas never existed as a human. He was rather a Christianized version of various Pagan sea gods —the Greek god Poseidon, the Roman god Neptune, and the Teutonic god Hold Nickar. In the early centuries of the Christian church, many Pagan gods and goddesses were humanized and converted to Christian saints. When the church created the persona of St. Nicholas, they adopted Poseidon’s title “the Sailor.” They picked up his last name from Nickar. Various temples of Poseidon became shrines of St. Nicholas." Barbara Walker, The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets (Harper and Row, 1983): 725-726.

Santa, as taught to most children, has the attributes of God:

1. He is virtually omnipresent. He can visit hundreds of millions of homes in one night.

2. He is omniscient. He monitors each child, he is all-seeing and all-knowing, and he knows when they are bad and good. He can manufacture gifts for hundreds of millions of children, and deliver them in one night—each to the correct child.

3. He is all-good and all-just. He judges which children have shown good behaviour and rewards them appropriately. Bad children are bypassed or receive a lump of coal.

4. He is eternal.

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The history of the word “treacle”

“The long history of "treacle" begins in ancient Greece. The Greek word thēriakos, meaning "of a wild animal," came from "thērion" ("wild animal"). Since wild animals are often known to bite, these words gave rise to thēriakē,meaning "antidote against a poisonous bite." Latin borrowed thēriakē as "theriaca," and the word eventually entered Anglo-French - and then Middle English - as "triacle." The senses of "treacle" that refer to molasses developed from the earlier "antidote" sense. The "molasses" sense, in turn, was extended to give us a word for things excessively sweet or sentimental.”

My conclusion here is that a thing has the meaning that people assign to it. I have never really been into Druidism but have nothing against having a Christmas tree!!!

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!!
 

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We thank our Father in Heaven for the greatest gift mankind could ever receive: the gift of Jesus Christ our King.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John‬ ‭3:16‬‬‬).
 

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This is comedy gold man
"the only reason christianity seems so pagan is because thousands of years ago satan made pagan religions mimic what would be christianity in the future in order to trick people"
I guess you guys are no longer trying to cover up how polytheistic your religion looks and are now resorting to this
This reminds me of one time where someone I knew was debating a disbeliever and the disbeliever unironically said that the reason Islam seems so perfect is because of time travel
Guy might of had some paranoid schizophrenia type thing to believe something like that but denial makes people say crazy things

also..
The pagans believed in a god that was resurrected each spring on Easter—a day which was dedicated to Ishtar, the mother goddess. She was also called the queen of heaven and supposedly interceded with the gods on behalf of humankind. This precise belief has been applied to Mary by the Roman Catholic Church, but it is as pagan as it gets, and has no basis in the Bible whatsoever.
Catholics could do the same thing as you and say "hey man that was just satan thousands of years ago trying to trick pagans into worshipping in a way that resembles how we view Mary in order to mislead future people"

I hope you can see how ridiculous all of this is and start getting serious about finding the truth, all the best
 

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This is comedy gold man
"the only reason christianity seems so pagan is because thousands of years ago satan made pagan religions mimic what would be christianity in the future in order to trick people"
I guess you guys are no longer trying to cover up how polytheistic your religion looks and are now resorting to this
This reminds me of one time where someone I knew was debating a disbeliever and the disbeliever unironically said that the reason Islam seems so perfect is because of time travel
Guy might of had some paranoid schizophrenia type thing to believe something like that but denial makes people say crazy things

also..

Catholics could do the same thing as you and say "hey man that was just satan thousands of years ago trying to trick pagans into worshipping in a way that resembles how we view Mary in order to mislead future people"

I hope you can see how ridiculous all of this is and start getting serious about finding the truth, all the best
Satan would never do such a thing! (Despite being aware of the prophecies of the coming Messiah, born of a woman, in Genesis!?)

On a human level, you have to admire the intelligence of this stage magician:-

"Look closely, because the more you think you see, the less you actually do."

The story goes that a trick was performed by a stage magician by the name of Lionel Shrike in which he had a volunteer sign his name on a playing card. He then supposedly transported that card into a tree. When they cut the tree down, they found the autographed playing card, encased in glass, nestled within the heart of the trunk.

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How could such a seemingly impossible feat be achieved?. It was then explained that decades ago Shrike had gotten the same guy to sign his name on a card for another much less impressive magic trick. Then, he entombed the card in glass in the middle of a young tree, allowing it to be swallowed by the wood as it grew.The only way for someone to figure out the trick is not to look at the depth of moment but to look across a span of 20 years.The takeaway is that “The closer you look, the less you’ll see”.
 

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This is comedy gold man
"the only reason christianity seems so pagan is because thousands of years ago satan made pagan religions mimic what would be christianity in the future in order to trick people"
I guess you guys are no longer trying to cover up how polytheistic your religion looks and are now resorting to this
This reminds me of one time where someone I knew was debating a disbeliever and the disbeliever unironically said that the reason Islam seems so perfect is because of time travel
Guy might of had some paranoid schizophrenia type thing to believe something like that but denial makes people say crazy things

also..

Catholics could do the same thing as you and say "hey man that was just satan thousands of years ago trying to trick pagans into worshipping in a way that resembles how we view Mary in order to mislead future people"

I hope you can see how ridiculous all of this is and start getting serious about finding the truth, all the best
It would be ridiculous to you, you don't understand the subject matter at all. You're approaching it from a muslim point of view after all. I doubt you study the Bible at all either.
 
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Satan would never do such a thing! (Despite being aware of the prophecies of the coming Messiah, born of a woman, in Genesis!?)
Muslims too believe in a Messiah born of a woman. None of this has to do with the very pagan aspects of Christianity, such as the trinity or God coming down to earth as a man, that can be found in many other polytheistic religions around the world. Especially of note is the story of Semiramis which very much resembles Christian theology.

I'm not sure what you're on about with that magician thing.
 

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It would be ridiculous to you, you don't understand the subject matter at all. You're approaching it from a muslim point of view after all. I doubt you study the Bible at all either.
This is a non-argument
 

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Muslims too believe in a Messiah born of a woman. None of this has to do with the very pagan aspects of Christianity, such as the trinity or God coming down to earth as a man, that can be found in many other polytheistic religions around the world. Especially of note is the story of Semiramis which very much resembles Christian theology.

I'm not sure what you're on about with that magician thing.
As for Semiramis, Nimrod and Tammuz, the Protoevangelium indicates that the one who would crush the serpents head would come from the "seed of the woman" - i.e. from human lineage.

You only have to look at the explosion of gnosticism after the 1st century to see how deception by counterfeit works.


As for the magician thing, think about it and the penny will drop...
 
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As for the magician thing, think about it and the penny will drop...
Magicians work with djinn / demons. It is easy for them to manipulate matter.
This video is made by a Christian if memory serves.


Nothing impressive about a card being put inside a tree.
It certainly has nothing to do with time travel.
 

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...Nothing impressive about a card being put inside a tree.
It certainly has nothing to do with time travel.
Nothing at all - all it illustrates is a good understanding of psychology and the willingness to play a long game.
 

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As for Semiramis, Nimrod and Tammuz, the Protoevangelium indicates that the one who would crush the serpents head would come from the "seed of the woman" - i.e. from human lineage.

You only have to look at the explosion of gnosticism after the 1st century to see how deception by counterfeit works.


As for the magician thing, think about it and the penny will drop...
This doesn't refute my argument. I'm saying Christianity has many uncanny similarities to pagan religions which would hint at some polytheistic influence in the theology. I'm not saying every specific detail of these pagan religions will match Christianity.

Read this to see some of what I'm talking about:
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Even the artwork resembles Christian depictions of Jesus and Mary.
 
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