"Own the Libs"

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The "problem" lies in the fact that so-called truthers are revolutionary, but reactionary. They don't want change, they want to return to some imagined past that they believe was better... Over the years, I've come to realize that very few people into conspiracy theories want liberation for people... They just want to return to a time when their demographic had more power.
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thats why "owning the libs" is more important to them than anything else.

They dont actually oppose the elites, they just oppose "progressives" meaning as you say they want a return to a mythical past where their demographic had more power and privilege.

Now since they oppose "progressives" they have to conflate progressives with the elites, so they can justify their predjudice.

In their mythology everything the elites want is a "progressive agenda", and if you oppose this, you will be '"persecuted" and censored.

IF you oppose "progressivism" you are essentially opposing the NWO in their mythology.

Again its an excuse or legitimizing of their prejudices, which under any normal circumstance would not be acceptable.

But they are cheering state sanctioned terrorism against ordinary people, because those people are people they do not like.

Big government = Bad when against their interests but Good when for their interests.

This is the essential premise of fascism, and why I say these people are all fascists. Using the power of the state to repress opposition in the name of a defending civilization and a restoration of a mythical past.
 






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Trump doesn’t really have a choice on some of these appointments - can you explain this story?
Trump is appointing neocons itching for conflict with Russia when he’s a Putin puppet?

All US presidents are Zionists to some degree. They all support Israel' existence, and Israel's right to subjugate their neighbours.
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Yes. Bingo. Nuance. Something the "troof movement" never seems to understand. Its always gotta be black and white. No shades of grey. They need easily packaged narratives, much like the MSM.

Obama although a zionist, possibly because of blackmail or bribery, opposed Netanyahu on a few things, unlike Orange Dump. He mainly went against Israel on the Iran deal, but also but wiretaps on Republican congressmen who were conspiring with Israeli officials.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/spying-israel-congress-netanyahu-217207

That to me tells me Obama had a deep mistrust of Netanyahu and co. and they weren't exactly too fond of Obama either.

No US president has been as subsurvient to Israel as Trump. Also of note is the massive increase of Israeli strikes on Syria since Trump took office. I think that is not a coincidence.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/israel-launched-200-strikes-syria-2017-180905063755959.html

So we have Trump who tried to start a war with Iran by killing their top general, who recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital, who recognized Israel's occupation over the Golan Heights, and who is owned by Zionist billionaire Sheldon Adelson.

None of this happens under an Obama/Biden administration.




Like I said, he is a zionist to an extent, but the Zionists want absolute subserviance, so Obama was no good. Obama is backed by the so called "Liberal establishment" who are nominally zionist but have other agendas.



Trump runs the CIA. He appointed Gina Haspel as the head, after his former head Mike Pompeo was elevated to Secretary of State.

What you are talking about was that when the CIA or FBI were under the Obama administration, they were against Trump. When certain factions gain control of certain institutions, they will use them against their political enemies.

the idea that THE CIA or THE FBI or CONGRESS or MAINSTREAM MEDIA is against Trump is a misnomer.

Certain factions are against Trump, and they do not always control the FBI, CIA, Congress etc.

There is nothing new about political factions opposing and "hating" one another. This phenomenon didn't begin with Trump, I dont know why everyone's collective memory just vanished.
 






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The "problem" lies in the fact that so-called truthers are revolutionary, but reactionary. They don't want change, they want to return to some imagined past that they believe was better... Over the years, I've come to realize that very few people into conspiracy theories want liberation for people... They just want to return to a time when their demographic had more power.
Again, separate ideology from the exposure of corrupt elite control. We can differ in ideology and what liberation looks like and still seek to expose global depravity and enslavement. You deserve to have Bernie Sanders socialism if it’s the choice of the voter but it’s not because our votes don’t count.
 






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Well, you have your mind made up that everything including Trump is part of a grand Russian conspiracy. I’m not convinced of that and don’t believe Trump has been so great for Russia the way Obama and Clinton were. I do agree Trump has been pretty good for Israel, what that means for us I’m not exactly sure. I don't believe Israel and Russia are too chummy with each other. I don’t think the future is too bright regardless.

Assange was co-opted. He wasn't always a pro-Trump shill.

He started out a critic of Western foreign policy.

Russia uses that criticism of western imperialism to push their agendas and attack their political enemies. They used Assange for their own means.
 






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ah the so called "Clinton Body Count"

brought to you, not by independent researchers, but Deep state political operatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count#Jeffrey_Epstein

Christopher Ruddy member of the CNP and financed by Richard Mellon Scaife.

They even added Jeffrey Epstein to this ridiculous "Clinton Body count", with Trump himself tweeting

Trump retweeted claims that Epstein's death was related to Clinton, including the hashtag #ClintonBodyCount.[15][

Yeah the orange one is sharing your ridiculous beliefs.

Mena Arkansas ? Barry Seal ? I hope you understand that drug running was a CNP operation. Look up Iran/Contra and the folks involved in that. You will find those guys are Trump's boys, including his own Attorney General Barr.

Trying to blame Clinton for Barry seal and that operation is laughable.

that above list is a joke,

This conspiracy theory has been debunked by the Lakeland Ledger, the Chicago Tribune, Snopes and others, who point to detailed death records, the unusually large circle of associates that a president is likely to have, and the facts that many of the people listed had no known link to the Clintons, had been misidentified, or were still alive.[6][7]




Robbed for nothing eh ? I'm pretty sure if somebody wanted to kill him to make it look like a robbery, THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN STUFF FROM HIM.

Or do you think they are that stupid ? Seems like a silly talking point to push your silly narrative.
For years, there was one thing that all of us could agree on. The Zionists, the communists, the Christians and the Muslims. All of us. Bill and Hillary Clinton are tied in at the top level of the elite, and are as dirty and corrupt and satanic as they come.

But if you say they’re cool, and it’s all just a big misunderstanding, well then, I guess we were all wrong.
 






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For years, there was one thing that all of us could agree on. The Zionists, the communists, the Christians and the Muslims. All of us. Bill and Hillary Clinton are tied in at the top level of the elite, and are as dirty and corrupt and satanic as they come.

But if you say they’re cool, and it’s all just a big misunderstanding, well then, I guess we were all wrong.
Strawman much ?

That's the problem with you guys.

As @A.J. put it, you lack nuance. It's hard to have a discussion with children.
 






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The "problem" lies in the fact that so-called truthers are revolutionary, but reactionary. They don't want change, they want to return to some imagined past that they believe was better... Over the years, I've come to realize that very few people into conspiracy theories want liberation for people... They just want to return to a time when their demographic had more power.
do you actually think we are heading in the right direction with all of this AI robotics/surveillance state technology? every year, the NWO adds another link to our chains. each year is worse than the next.

this has absolutely nothing to do with whether a demographic had power. the only ones dragging race and demographics into every discussion are the leftists.

we want to return to a time (any time!) when:
a. there was more free speech/less censorship
b. we had more freedom
c. less gun control
d. less government interference with our lives
e. people knew what morality is and used that in their judgement
f. everyone knew there was only two genders and a person couldnt identify as cat creatures
g. the family unit was the most important part of our lives

i want nothing to do with the revolution you crave, combating imaginary social justice issues and 'racists' hiding behind every corner in america. TPTB are preying on your good intentions. the left is playing right into their hands.
 






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do you actually think we are heading in the right direction with all of this AI robotics/surveillance state technology? every year, the NWO adds another link to our chains. each year is worse than the next.

this has absolutely nothing to do with whether a demographic had power. the only ones dragging race and demographics into every discussion are the leftists.

we want to return to a time (any time!) when:
a. there was more free speech/less censorship
b. we had more freedom
c. less gun control
d. less government interference with our lives
e. people knew what morality is and used that in their judgement
f. everyone knew there was only two genders and a person couldnt identify as cat creatures
g. the family unit was the most important part of our lives

i want nothing to do with the revolution you crave, combating imaginary social justice issues and 'racists' hiding behind every corner in america. TPTB are preying on your good intentions. the left is playing right into their hands.
Thanks for articulating that Moog. I’d add that
h. predatory banking practices are illegal by law, like they were in the constitution
vancityeagle is fighting ghosts I hate to say. She takes an iota that most could agree with and entrenches it in accusations, generalizations, leaps of logic, and ad hominems, making conversing with her impossible or fruitless. I try not to dedicate my brain power to her but what you said sums up my sentiments
 






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For VANITYchicken everything is the right's fault. He/she is an admitted commie who supports BLM. Why is anyone wasting time answering this stupid troll is beyond me.
They’re an easy target, and I’ve been weakened by the coronavirus-media complex.
 






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do you actually think we are heading in the right direction with all of this AI robotics/surveillance state technology? every year, the NWO adds another link to our chains. each year is worse than the next.

this has absolutely nothing to do with whether a demographic had power. the only ones dragging race and demographics into every discussion are the leftists.

we want to return to a time (any time!) when:
a. there was more free speech/less censorship
b. we had more freedom
c. less gun control
d. less government interference with our lives
e. people knew what morality is and used that in their judgement
f. everyone knew there was only two genders and a person couldnt identify as cat creatures
g. the family unit was the most important part of our lives

i want nothing to do with the revolution you crave, combating imaginary social justice issues and 'racists' hiding behind every corner in america. TPTB are preying on your good intentions. the left is playing right into their hands.
They say conspiracy theorists are "reactionary" yet these leftists they still spend time to write here. To troll it would seem. And none of these reactions would be necessary if there were not real agents of chaos who have a LEFT ideology destroying everything out there. They just think everyone should just sit still and let the fires in the street burn. "BAD ORANGE MAN IS TEH FASCIST FOR TRYING TO RESTORE ORDER" Their "revolution" is 100% supported by the Satanists who control both sides of the story. Trump might very well be controlled opposition but he is more like a vessel for the orwellian reaction, and not an agent himself. He would be totally unnecessary if the marxists had not decided to Burn Loot Murder.
 






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And all of this caused by what anyway? A drug addicted freemason pornstar who was proven to have died of a drug overdose and not police brutality. Really totally hilarious if it was not that sad that this obvious psy-op caused what happened since last June.
 






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For VANITYchicken everything is the right's fault. He/she is an admitted commie who supports BLM. Why is anyone wasting time answering this stupid troll is beyond me.
hilarious, you clowns openly cheer on the NWO police state and have the nerve to call anybody a troll, all while pretending you are "opposing the elites"
 






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And all of this caused by what anyway? A drug addicted freemason pornstar who was proven to have died of a drug overdose and not police brutality. Really totally hilarious if it was not that sad that this obvious psy-op caused what happened since last June.
no its not "all because of him" you fool

How many people have been murdered by police since this all began ? This is a problem, the fact you ignore it just shows your NWO, Police state boot licking credentials.

So long as its people you dont like who get violence directed at them, its cool.

Bigots pretending to be anti-establishment, but in reality cheering it on.
 






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this has absolutely nothing to do with whether a demographic had power
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Unfortunately it does. Trump is signalling to racists and bigots. He gives them red meat, they support the NWO. You get conned that easily.
the only ones dragging race and demographics into every discussion are the leftists.
No Trump started his campaign attacking every minority in America and boosting white nationalism. Stop projecting. White racism never fully went away to begin with. Its always been there, and now there is a massive reawakening of it via Trump.
we want to return to a time (any time!) when:
a. there was more free speech/less censorship
The only real censorship is via Trump trying to criminalize legal protesting through his fascist police thugs. You obviously do not care.

b. we had more freedom
you aint getting it under Trump are you serious.
c. less gun control
People are walking around with guns and shooting each other in the streets, and that isn't enough for you ?
d. less government interference with our lives
que Trump's fascist police state that you are cheering on.
e. people knew what morality is and used that in their judgement
you have no clue what morality even is. America has NEVER been a moral place. Not now, not ever.
f. everyone knew there was only two genders and a person couldnt identify as cat creatures
how does this effect your life ?
g. the family unit was the most important part of our lives
you guys dont give a rats ass about family values. Trump is a man who cheated on his wife with a pornstar and fantasizes about how good looking his daughter and other young women are. Please stop with the fake morality.
i want nothing to do with the revolution you crave, combating imaginary social justice issues and 'racists' hiding behind every corner in america. TPTB are preying on your good intentions. the left is playing right into their hands.
Like he said you want to be coddled and privileged over others, thats your entire game TPTB are preying on your BAD intentions, and you are following to a tee.
 






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Unfortunately it does. Trump is signalling to racists and bigots. He gives them red meat, they support the NWO. You get conned that easily.


No Trump started his campaign attacking every minority in America and boosting white nationalism. Stop projecting. White racism never fully went away to begin with. Its always been there, and now there is a massive reawakening of it via Trump.


The only real censorship is via Trump trying to criminalize legal protesting through his fascist police thugs. You obviously do not care.



you aint getting it under Trump are you serious.


People are walking around with guns and shooting each other in the streets, and that isn't enough for you ?


que Trump's fascist police state that you are cheering on.


you have no clue what morality even is. America has NEVER been a moral place. Not now, not ever.


how does this effect your life ?


you guys dont give a rats ass about family values. Trump is a man who cheated on his wife with a pornstar and fantasizes about how good looking his daughter and other young women are. Please stop with the fake morality.


Like he said you want to be coddled and privileged over others, thats your entire game TPTB are preying on your BAD intentions, and you are following to a tee.
Oh shit polymoog! You’re a new world orderer!
 






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