Opinions Wanted – Thora Birch?

[Major Blood]

It does seem to be a pattern though. How we keep seeing these celebrities who are well into adulthood, still blindly loyal to their parents. Jung would call that unhealthy, like stopping a person from maturing mentally. There is a difference between being loyal and being "attached". The child is meant to separate from their parents, as a way for the "self" to become whole.

If the Self isn't moving in a way that promotes reflection, than who are you? In my eyes you are essentially living the lives of other people, or living for them, and not for you. And that's how I see a lot of these celebrities. Not really living for themselves, not really independent of all these archaic systems of control.

This wouldn't be surprising. A lot of children are raised from birth to be the version of a person who can fulfill their parents' wishes and desires. Even with "normal" stage parents, the manipulation starts before the child can talk... molding them day-by-day into whatever personality is needed to do the job. A parent who sold out to sinister forces beyond themselves, meanwhile, could be an accomplice to much more extreme indoctrination.

In this case, abuse was definitely perpetrated to raise a consummate "Hollywood professional"... The real question is what other forces were involved, besides the parents, and how did they exert their influence?

• Remember that one of the first magazines to publicize Thora when she was being pushed as an A-list actor was Black Book:
  
  • http://ultimatethora.blogspot.ca/search/label/Magazine: Black Book (2000)
• The actor who played Thora's father in her breakout Hollywood movie was Kevin Spacey:
  
  • http://68.media.tumblr.com/39c3fd5658d49284d686c82ebefb18a8/tumblr_ngl01l3kTO1t0t91ao2_250.jpg
• Kevin Spacey was named in Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book, which documents the clients of the Lolita Express:
  
  • http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=20938
    
  • https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5tab9w/lolita_express_logs_bill_clinton_kevin_spacey/
• Brittany Murphy starred in a movie called "Little Black Book", then co-starred with Thora in a movie called "Deadline", and died mysteriously shortly thereafter. In subsequent interviews, Thora claims to have been expecting Murphy's death like it was inevitable:
  
  • https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/new-reports-claim-brittany-murphy-heavy-surveillance-poisoned-death/

Given that latest indication of the training Thora experienced just from her own father, one wonders what part the truly rich and powerful in Hollywood also played... especially when she was allowed to taste the highest heights of Hollywood fame, "working" together with Kevin Spacey, David Lachapelle and their like?

 

[Aero]

This wouldn't be surprising. A lot of children are raised from birth to be the version of a person who can fulfill their parents' wishes and desires. Even with "normal" stage parents, the manipulation starts before the child can talk... molding them day-by-day into whatever personality is needed to do the job. A parent who sold out to sinister forces beyond themselves, meanwhile, could be an accomplice to much more extreme indoctrination.

In this case, abuse was definitely perpetrated to raise a consummate "Hollywood professional"... The real question is what other forces were involved, besides the parents, and how did they exert their influence?

• Remember that one of the first magazines to publicize Thora when she was being pushed as an A-list actor was Black Book:
  
  • http://ultimatethora.blogspot.ca/search/label/Magazine: Black Book (2000)
• The actor who played Thora's father in her breakout Hollywood movie was Kevin Spacey:
  
  • http://68.media.tumblr.com/39c3fd5658d49284d686c82ebefb18a8/tumblr_ngl01l3kTO1t0t91ao2_250.jpg
• Kevin Spacey was named in Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book, which documents the clients of the Lolita Express:
  
  • http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=20938
    
  • https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5tab9w/lolita_express_logs_bill_clinton_kevin_spacey/
• Brittany Murphy starred in a movie called "Little Black Book", then co-starred with Thora in a movie called "Deadline", and died mysteriously shortly thereafter. In subsequent interviews, Thora claims to have been expecting Murphy's death like it was inevitable:
  
  • https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/new-reports-claim-brittany-murphy-heavy-surveillance-poisoned-death/

Given that latest indication of the training Thora experienced just from her own father, one wonders what part the truly rich and powerful in Hollywood also played... especially when she was allowed to taste the highest heights of Hollywood fame, "working" together with Kevin Spacey, David Lachapelle and their like?

I read something about this facial recognition software that can tell if people are gay or not. And I'll put money on Kevin Spacey totally being gay. That's why I'm a bit skeptical of the lolita thing. Plus I don't like that word very much. I'm the wrong person to talk about that type of stuff.

Because who wouldn't want to be around a cute young star? People are going to share the glow of a Star. It's just a natural thing. Maybe they had some weird moments, but I'm just not seeing the type of dirt you are. Some families just feed off of each other like Vampires. We can say it's Mk Ultra, or a natural thing. Or both. It makes me wonder who has it worse. The ones who separated from their parents, or the ones that didn't.

 

[mecca]

I read something about this facial recognition software that can tell if people are gay or not.

So is there a such thing as a "gay face"? lol

 

[Major Blood]

So is there a such thing as a "gay face"? lol

(According to Aero)

 

[Aero]

Lol I wasn't making that stuff up. I guess they are remaking "Hocus Pocus". But with a new cast. So sorry no Thora Birch for us

 

[Major Blood]

Lol I wasn't making that stuff up. I guess they are remaking "Hocus Pocus". But with a new cast. So sorry no Thora Birch for us

No, but appropriately for today, here she is at the Playboy Mansion:

The other women above are Brande Roderick and Jessica Paisley... Hefner's "girlfriends".

Apparently, Thora was a frequent visitor to the mansion in the early 2000s:

And, as another Mansion guest has confirmed:

"[Thora] was a brat, spoiled... talking about how the playboy girls were trash, how most girls in la are whores... then after all of this, my friend walked in on her (in the room they were hanging out in) blowing a guy who also worked at the [Playboy] mansion. The guy was SUPER old, like larry king old, too."

So in addition to having a father who watches her having sex (and this is a conservative interpretation), she just happens to also be "friends" with Hugh Hefner and spend time at the Playboy Mansion performing sex acts on really, really old men.

But yeah, according to Twitter... she has pets and everything is normal

 

[Aero]

No, but appropriately for today, here she is at the Playboy Mansion:

The other women above are Brande Roderick and Jessica Paisley... Hefner's "girlfriends".

Apparently, Thora was a frequent visitor to the mansion in the early 2000s:

And, as another Mansion guest has confirmed:

"[Thora] was a brat, spoiled... talking about how the playboy girls were trash, how most girls in la are whores... then after all of this, my friend walked in on her (in the room they were hanging out in) blowing a guy who also worked at the [Playboy] mansion. The guy was SUPER old, like larry king old, too."

So in addition to having a father who watches her having sex (and this is a conservative interpretation), she just happens to also be "friends" with Hugh Hefner and spend time at the Playboy Mansion performing sex acts on really, really old men.

But yeah, according to Twitter... she has pets and everything is normal

Shouldn't her career of been set? If she was willing to do any act as you say, than this story has a lot missing. Because I'm sure there are plenty of old men in Hollywood who put up with the overbearing dads.

It's just starting to sound like she walked away from being an industry slut.

 

[Major Blood]

Shouldn't her career of been set? If she was willing to do any act as you say, than this story has a lot missing. Because I'm sure there are plenty of old men in Hollywood who put up with the overbearing dads.

It's just starting to sound like she walked away from being an industry slut.

It's pretty clear the gravy train stopped. It may have dried up as early as 2002. Taking the high road and "walking away" sounds too easy, though. The give-and-take was probably a lot more drawn out and complicated.

We only get to see these public versions of what goes on... Hanging out at the Playboy Mansion implies a lot, but it's still a mainstream event, and only represents the tip of the iceberg.

• What other "parties" were going on that we never get to see... especially when her career was in full blossom before her mid-twenties?
• If Hugh Hefner is just a mainstream caricature of an underworld player... who are the real power players, and what pound of flesh did they expect, before all the premium roles and accolades started falling away?

 

[elsbet]

We presume she wanted the limelight like the other young girls do in the industry. I wonder, though, since she was born in LA (to porn stars, no less) and grew up IN the industry, if she wasnt just a bit jaded, already.

Teenagers and young adults rebel against their parents more often than not. Why would she be an exception? Preferring the darker roles, and objecting quickly and easily to what she didn't like? She's a pro and from what little we're permitted to see-- stubborn. Not easily impressed. And what a great way to piss off her parents. Specifically..

Her DAD, who has been screwing her over her whole life, and as @Aero pointed out-- they have what appears to be a ferociously codependent relationship. That's a sick, psychological mess, not easily broken. To her though, it's a well worn path she's been negotiating her whole life. It's my opinion that this woman has long been entrenched in the Hollywood lifestyle, and she's a victim in the same way that so many others are who were born into the insanity.

Whether MK plays a part, who knows. The symbolism is satanic, first and foremost. Something to keep in mind.

:/

 

[Major Blood]

Teenagers and young adults rebel against their parents more often than not. Why would she be an exception? Preferring the darker roles, and objecting quickly and easily to what she didn't like? She's a pro...

From what we know about her dad (long hair, sunglasses, 3/4 length leather coats indoors), I don't think going "dark" would exactly be "against" his wishes?

And as we know, when people seem "pro" in Hollywood, they've paid a heavy price to gain that experience.

For example, Mickey Rourke and Shia LaBeouf (despite his age) come across as "experienced" actors who've seen and done it all... likely because they have done it all, and had it all done to them, too!

 

[elsbet]

From what we know about her dad (long hair, sunglasses, 3/4 length leather coats indoors), I don't think going "dark" would exactly be "against" his wishes?

And as we know, when people seem "pro" in Hollywood, they've paid a heavy price to gain that experience.

For example, Mickey Rourke and Shia LaBeouf (despite his age) come across as "experienced" actors who've seen and done it all... likely because they have done it all, and had it all done to them, too!

Ok lol

Since you've fixated on "darker".. to clarify, I mean darker, indie, obscure-- rather than whatever the A List roles happened to be at that time.

No doubt he's a weirdo. I don't disagree there.

 

[Major Blood]

I mean darker, indie, obscure-- rather than whatever the A List roles happened to be at that time.

Have you seen American Beauty? It might be worth a re-watch, as a film that reveals quite a lot through esoteric analysis... Even if Thora sought out this movie on her own (in the feisty spirit you imagine) what would that tell us?

American Beauty is the role they gave her so she could become A List. It's worth considering what type of movie it was, and what it required as the "price" of becoming a star:

 

[Vytas]

Using this timeline as a starting point, I wonder if anyone can put together more connections between Thora's parents, her early movies, the peak of her career as an actress (when she also adopted a goth persona), her Hollywood relationships, and the way that her professional life fell apart after 9-11?

Well you put together yourself more than enough i think, I can add only that most porn stars are MK ultra themselves, don't know for sure, researchers says so...But I know for sure that most important thing then choosing kids for MK ultra grooming is genes, MK ultra kids are invaluable to them... So if both of her parents are ex porn stars...
For those who says she looks fine, in no way it's a proof she isn't Mk, she can look fine for decades and it still proofs nothing...

 

[Major Blood]

Well you put together yourself more than enough i think, I can add only that most porn stars are MK ultra themselves, don't know for sure, researchers says so...But I know for sure that most important thing then choosing kids for MK ultra grooming is genes, MK ultra kids are invaluable to them... So if both of her parents are ex porn stars...
For those who says she looks fine, in no way it's a proof she isn't Mk, she can look fine for decades and it still proofs nothing...

Vytas gets it.

The whole point of Monarch Programming is to get candidates whose own parents were traumatized as children. This makes them highly susceptible to dissociative identity disorder. Given the "professions" of Thora's parents, they were each likely abused as kids, and their own parents before them.

Thora would have been targeted in hopes that several generations of trauma and dissociative personality issues would "naturally" pass down to her through the family. If there were a well-adjusted version of two porn stars bringing up a daughter together... they would no doubt want to raise her as far away from show business as possible.

The fact that parents from the seediest, most exploitative underworld of LA wanted to plug their daughter directly into elite Hollywood circles from her earliest days as a child says everything, really.

In case Eyes Wide Shut bells are ringing for anyone, here's Thora with Nicole Kidman in 2002:

 

[Devine]

@Major Blood this is a very well put together thread your presentation is excellent thanks for doing. also thought it was intuitive of you to think of this girl just before spacey gets nailed.
she seems like a classic abused hollywood kid to me total signs of MK.
she did tweet this lol:
Thora Birch‏Verified account @1107miss




My people know what this really means... time to book a trip to Salem, MA!! #FirstDayofFall

 

[Major Blood]

@Major Bloodthought it was intuitive of you to think of this girl just before spacey gets nailed.
she seems like a classic abused hollywood kid to me total signs of MK.
she did tweet this lol:
Thora Birch‏Verified account @1107miss
My people know what this really means... time to book a trip to Salem, MA!! #FirstDayofFall

Interesting to revisit this on "Black" Friday...

Thanks for pointing out Birch's reference to Salem and witchcraft. I never noticed that. It's interesting since most people think her G rated Twitter account means everything's OK behind-the-scenes.

You're right to think the Kevin Spacey connection is significant. It may be true Spacey prefers young males, but he's no doubt involved in a range of depraved activities. Surely the connection that a 16 year-old Birch shared with Spacey and his "friends" was in no sense positive.

Back to her Twitter (@1107miss). The numbers 11 and 7 she associates with are also interesting:

In Tarot of Thoth, key 11 represents lust, while 7 represents victory and success (i.e. the "Chariot").

In general, the significance of 7 (or 777) is well known... especially from a Crowleyian perspective.

Inside the Eye has the following to say about the esoteric construction of 7-11:

http://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.ca/2010/12/711-esoteric-constructions-in-alphabet.html#axzz4yjcLTYT6

So yeah, even as the everything-is-normal pretense continues on social media... @Devin correctly points out that Birch can't resist dropping occult references on Twitter.

Or, might there be a reason why she'd have to do this for somebody else's sake?

 

[Aero]

11 is her birth date though. And 07 means something else I think. 2007 actually. Maybe it's the year of her cosmic rebirth.

 

[Major Blood]

11 is her birth date though. And 07 means something else I think. 2007 actually. Maybe it's the year of her cosmic rebirth.

"Cosmic rebirth" is pretty good, Aero, but let us know if you think of a different meaning for 7 / 07 / 777...

Meanwhile, you have said you don't think appearing topless in a movie with Kevin Spacey at 16 was a big deal, or having a Dad who gives directions on set while you film sex scenes...

but other than show business stuff, how do you interpret the tweet @Devin mentioned, "My people know what this really means... time to book a trip to Salem, MA"?

Curious to know what you make of this comment, in the context of everything else above?

 

[Aero]

"Cosmic rebirth" is pretty good, Aero, but let us know if you think of a different meaning for 7 / 07 / 777...

Meanwhile, you have said you don't think appearing topless in a movie with Kevin Spacey at 16 was a big deal, or having a Dad who gives directions on set while you film sex scenes...

but other than show business stuff, how do you interpret the tweet @Devin mentioned, "My people know what this really means... time to book a trip to Salem, MA"?

Curious to know what you make of this comment, in the context of everything else above?

I don't think I said it wasn't a big deal. I just didn't feel like piling on. If that makes me appear soft, so be it.

The tweet in question made me think she was referring to that movie "Hocus Pocus". Because it was about witches. And her people being fans of the movie. I hope my tone alone isn't killing your dream, because that's not my intention.

We are allowed to question the dreams of others, if they bring us into it. I think it's a good thing we can stop some of these blatant predators of the industry. But who's Thora Birch and who's her dad? They aren't players anymore is all I'm trying to say. And my dream is for their players to all fold.

 

[Major Blood]

I don't think I said it wasn't a big deal. I just didn't feel like piling on. If that makes me appear soft, so be it.
We are allowed to question the dreams of others, if they bring us into it. I think it's a good thing we can stop some of these blatant predators of the industry. But who's Thora Birch and who's her dad? They aren't players anymore is all I'm trying to say. And my dream is for their players to all fold.

Someone getting pimped out to Hollywood predators by their parents isn't my dream, Aero. Nor was Kevin Spacey imposing himself on people who couldn't fight back, or Weinstein hurting his victims, or the hundreds of other victims in Hollywood who have suffered things we still don't even know about yet...

As far as questioning others on VC, that's what allows us to have conversations, so it's all good. I'm not sure why you particularly downplay people who have been abused, though, especially when the purpose of this board is to spotlight evil and corruption that the mainstream is happy to keep secret from us.

To each their own, however