The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."The synagogue of satan...wonder what they think when God says that the land was an everlasting possession? (Sorry if that is answered in the video...I don't have time to watch it.)
Funny, the NK group joins those pro-Palestine "antisemitic" group.Those pesky anti-semites!
#antisemitism
They oppose the human efforts to reconquer the Land of Israel.Oh do I await the day they admit they're all converts
With that aside, Im not sure how they can be "against" their own people owning the land if they say the bible is about them...
Ah, that actually makes sense.They oppose the human efforts to reconquer the Land of Israel.
Instead, they would wait for the coming of Messiah first, then they would support the State of Israel.
As I understand, Zionism, in all forms, secular, Christian or other, is, to NK, a new, much-despised, particularly infectious strain of "Hellenism," designed to undermine the "true" Israel they claim to represent. Gush Emunim, NK's counterpart, and others of their (ultra-orthodox) type consider Christian and other Zionists, including Yair Lapid's secularist Yesh Atid Party, as the donkey {click here} -dumb ass probably goes without saying- upon which their Messiah is presently, if at times slowly, riding into Jerusalem, according to scripture and prophecy.BTW, are there Zionist Christians in VCF?
Source"We [Israeli secularists] are not the Messiah's donkey," Lapid went on to say [to the ultra-Orthodox heredim, in and out of Knesset]. "That is what we have been for too long. It won't bring the Messiah. It will keep the Messiah away. Anyone who accuses others of incitement is merely adding to the hatred in Israel, and adding to hatred keeps the Messiah away."
Who is "the synagogue of satan"?The synagogue of satan...wonder what they think when God says that the land was an everlasting possession? (Sorry if that is answered in the video...I don't have time to watch it.)
But, is it written in the Scripture that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews forever?It's referencing a verse from Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you."
It means that they are Jews acting in disobedience. It doesn't mean they are fake or nothing. It was directly referencing the church of Philadelphia at one point. More than likely it is talking about Jews persecuting the church with either false teaching or some other form of manipulations.
It is my theory that this verse is explaining how the Catholic Church began with influence from the ones who call themselves Jews and that the Catholic Church could be called the synogogue of satan.
One reason I believe this is because the Catholic Church hides many documents in a vault and were given authority to do this by becoming joined with Rome. This was a way to oppress the church and keep Christianity from spreading, which was the desire of the Jews in origin According to the gospels. Pilate did not set out to crucify Christ. The Jewish leaders did to stop people from following Christ. They have never stopped doing this ever since. This is why there should never be such a thing as a Zionist Christian. It is the same as joining oneself with an enemy.
I love the anitzionist movement in the Jewish community. The world feels a little bit safer from the wrath of god because of them. Everyone else is labelled and antisemite if they do. But, how can a Jew be called an antisemite and if they don't agree with what is happening in Israel, we should listen to what they have to say, but so many people don't. This means their message is even more legitimate, in my opinion. They are a small voice that few people hear before the prophecy is fulfilled that will not be changed. We spend so much time learning in church about people like Elijah who was the only one who didn't worship Baal, but we can't see how this applies today with this subject. This is evidence that the apostacy is taking place. I really think the churches support of Israel is the falling away described in the bible.
I donate money to them and support them when I can even. I really don't understand how the church doesn't realize they have a much more biblically centered message.
As I read it, the Biblical covenant, in this case, was established with Abraham, without a Jew in sight. Jews, to the extent that they can be traced to Judah, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (Israel), son of Isaac, son of Abraham, are only a subset of Israel. Nowhere, in that chapter, do I hear exclusive reference to Jews as such.But, is it written in the Scripture that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews forever?
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." - Genesis 17:8
Right, but they were also removed from the land because of judgement for their sins. This judgement doesn't mean the verse is no longer true. It means that returning to the land is dependent upon the decision of God to remove this judgement. This is the message of antizionists who don't believe it is time to return. The Messiah will come and restore the land of Israel, which means that the land will be cleaned of unrighteousness and there will no longer be anything that causes offence.But, is it written in the Scripture that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews forever?
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." - Genesis 17:8
.... to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.The Biblical covenant, in this case, was established with Abraham, without a Jew in sight. Jews, to the extent that they can be traced to Judah, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (Israel), son of Isaac, son of Abraham, are only a subset of Israel. Nowhere, in that chapter, do I hear exclusive reference to Jews as such.
Isaiah 66:8Right, but they were also removed from the land because of judgement for their sins. This judgement doesn't mean the verse is no longer true. It means that returning to the land is dependent upon the decision of God to remove this judgement. This is the message of antizionists who don't believe it is time to return. The Messiah will come and restore the land of Israel, which means that the land will be cleaned of unrighteousness and there will no longer be anything that causes offence.
These are the signs that will indicate that the land has been restored. Israel means something. It means a place where there is justice. It doesn't mean land of bulldozers and walls. The Jewish rabbis who oppose the current state of Israel know that what god has promised will be beautiful when it is fulfilled the same way we know that it will be beautiful when Christ returns. What we see now is not beautiful at all.
My answer was that the Jews, to the extent that they can be traced to Judah, are a subset of Israel, not the sum total. Therefore, nowhere do I read, in your cited Genesis source, that the "Land of Israel belongs to the Jews forever." I grant that the source does refer to Abraham's descendants, but Jews are not the sum total of those descendants.But, is it written in the Scripture that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews forever?
Lisa, I wish for once you would stop making ignorant comments that are wrong on so many levels.The synagogue of satan...wonder what they think when God says that the land was an everlasting possession? (Sorry if that is answered in the video...I don't have time to watch it.)