Nations taking their places for Ezekiel 38

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Rudeness doesn’t change anything other than peoples interest in interacting with you @AspiringSoul
Im rude with you because you have pissed all over the bible you love to quote.
Ive covered this many times already. You dont even have the bottle to directly dissect my arguments.

Youre constantly referring to ezekiel 38 which refers to the authentic israel, made up of all 12 tribes. It refers to an authentic israel who populate a land that was long deserted. A land without borders, walls etc
'a peaceful and unsuspecting people'.

Then we have a state made up of ashkenazi (literally part of the gog magog camp) jews. Calls itself israel even when it claims to be jewish.
Has partition walls. Boasts in its technology. Boasts in its political alliances (jeremiah proved why this was wrong in the eyes of God), has an iron dome...because it is a 'suspecting nation'.

Ive gone in depth explaining that this imposter state is the whore of babylon. You have not once attempted to tackle this with any real argument. Youve derped some shit but that was just a mockery of anyones intelligence (ie no, it isnt the vatican).

Death of the prophets and saints...on her hands.
Jesus: jerusalem jerusalem... you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you.

Leading the world astray with the wine of her adulteries.
Music, porn, movies, propaganda etc.
Controlled by modern jews. Fact.

The kings of the earth commit adultery with her.
Past yr, UAE and other arab kings did just that.
Cant make this shit up....
The literal fulfillment of prophecy...and youre quoting ezekiel 38 instead? DISGUSTING!!!!
Clearly an agent of satan, planted seeds of doubt and confusion. There is no excuse for someone to literally claim the iron dome as a proof that israel is fulfilling ezekiel 38. Fking hell..that is insanely evil. Im shocked.


If all that wasnt enough ive dissected zechariah 13 and proven that the true remnant of judea never left the holy land.
The others who left were cut off from the future zion. The true remnant remained and suffered in the land.
I proved that this directly means the real remnant became christian and then muslim, were absorbed into the palestinian identity.
It is well accepted that modern palestinians have jewish lineage in them.

We further find in revelation 12 that the true remnant is targeted by satan but was protected by islam for the 1260 days (the exact 1260 yrs of islamic rule over jerusalem). Once the 1260 days were over (1948, that period ended) then satan has been intent on wiping them out.
Real prophecy...and its implicated your deities, the ashenazi gog magog 'israelis' ..for what they are.
The real remnant are amongst the palestinians!!!
 






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Im rude with you because you have pissed all over the bible you love to quote.
Ive covered this many times already. You dont even have the bottle to directly dissect my arguments.

Youre constantly referring to ezekiel 38 which refers to the authentic israel, made up of all 12 tribes. It refers to an authentic israel who populate a land that was long deserted. A land without borders, walls etc
'a peaceful and unsuspecting people'.

Then we have a state made up of ashkenazi (literally part of the gog magog camp) jews. Calls itself israel even when it claims to be jewish.
Has partition walls. Boasts in its technology. Boasts in its political alliances (jeremiah proved why this was wrong in the eyes of God), has an iron dome...because it is a 'suspecting nation'.
On the question of rudeness, you hold certain views that I don’t begin to try to address, yet powerfully disagree with. I don’t bother even trying because I don’t think people are so easily dissuaded from long held positions, especially where faith and world-view are wrapped up with them. As for Ezekiel 38, please consider this:

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.​

Perhaps we are still waiting for a different group of Jews to be gathered back to Israel “out of many people” but I don’t think so. I also don’t believe the events of Ezekiel 38 can be shown to have taken place in the past without glossing over or ignoring parts.

All indications seem to indicate we are almost there and with Iran boasting of their nearness to nuclear capability, America as weak as a newborn and Israel prepared to stand alone if need be, I have never seen times like the ones we are now in.

On the question of
 






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When will the holy land be deserted? When modern israel and the antichrist version are destroyed.
Then it will be populated by the real remnants form all 12 tribes. The real messianic israel.

On the question of rudeness, you hold certain views that I don’t begin to try to address, yet powerfully disagree with. I don’t bother even trying because I don’t think people are so easily dissuaded from long held positions, especially where faith and world-view are wrapped up with them. As for Ezekiel 38, please consider this:

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.​

Perhaps we are still waiting for a different group of Jews to be gathered back to Israel “out of many people” but I don’t think so. I also don’t believe the events of Ezekiel 38 can be shown to have taken place in the past without glossing over or ignoring parts.

All indications seem to indicate we are almost there and with Iran boasting of their nearness to nuclear capability, America as weak as a newborn and Israel prepared to stand alone if need be, I have never seen times like the ones we are now in.

On the question of
Discuss, debate, disagree by all means...but be genuine in your intentions and back it up with evidence in the bible. As you know, i come from islam. However when i was on wup forum the muslims inc scimitwat accused me of being a christian aswell as a hindu many times. Why? Because i didnt sing to their fake ass muslim centric view.
Ive studied the bible and know that it is Israel centric in the long run.
I know that no matter how evil my yid friends can be....the synagogue of satan, the whore of babylon etc...it can never negate the remnant who are Gods chosen.

But heres the thing...God made special promises concerning Isaac. Yet one half of him, Esau...goes to shit? My point is you xan have every promise given to a bloodline but it doesnt negate that many from them, can become devils spawn. Jesus proved that many times by telling the rabbis they worshipped satan himself. So when youre defending modern israel, i wonder....do you even care about scripture and truth or do you love the israelis on the basis that they antagonise muslims (and christians too for that matter)?

Ive gone even deeper...ive explained the significance of 1260 day gentile prophecy of Rev 11...to prove that this (esp since it talks of the outer court) is muslim centric.
Its amazing stuff because when you calculate the years muslims ruled jerusalem in total...and you even inc the crusade period where it was lost, in lunar yrs it comes to 1260 years (in jewish prophecy, a 1 day is a year).
This is part of a deeper connection with daniel 9's final week prophecy.

So you have islam, furthernore fulfilling the ismael/hagar connection. It cannot he denied...just like isaiah 42's new song prophecy.
Hate islam with all your heart...but you cant deny its place.
Yet we find rev 13 is telling us the true remnant from judea...will escape from satans persecution into 'the wilderness for 1260 days'.
Were directly given a connection between the TRUE remnant of judea...to islam.
We find in zech 13 that the true remnant....always remained in the holy land.
Massive sign that one...you never did pay attention. Afterall who was the true remnant, the apostles of Christ and the true christians of jewish stock, but not of jewish religious identity, or the ones who remained jew by religion and rejected Jesus?
We find this remnant....clearly became christian and was absorbed into a new palestinian identity.
Yet check out how deep this goes..
Based on my studies and understanding..i beleive the crucifixion happened.
Yet the common muslim, does NOT.
It says the remnant will mourn for the one they pierced...
Perhaps one day upon the right study...muslims will accept the crucifixion and finally leave aside the false interpretation which they have little understanding of? More specifically those who are muslim palestinians...who actually are jewish on bloodline and hence 'the remnant'?
We even find the lost tribes were absorbed into islam.
Eg napthali...became the hepthalites..huns who are scattered in afghanistan and pakistan. The pashtun tribes make up various tribes of israel. Even israelis dont reject this. Makes you think when the pashtun taliban couldnt be defeated by the 2 biggest superpowers but instead became stronger because of them.

As for israel...
Paid for by the Rothschild family. Usury basically.
Full of the proceeds of bolshevism where 40-60m christians were butchered. Many russian billionaire jews in israel now eg abramovic.
All the descriptions in rev 17/18 perfectly fit when you dyor. Whether it is owning hollywood, media, porn, music industry...do you not see where that leads?
Owning the central banks, having politicians in their pockets etc. Running most of the top corporations and hedge funds?

This is not hate and envy...this is just a fact.
If it wasnt for the contents of rev 17/18 i would not even be focusing on this topic. The fact these chapters speak of this HUGE evil where the angels and saints all celebrate the death of the whore.....and you think its the little pope in his silly hat..?
Fking hell man.

Me: israel has walls, borders, rhe iron dome. Prophecy says 'a land without walls, borders' 'a peaceful and unsuspecting people'

You: yeh it iz obvs izrael dat. Amir twatfati says so.

Demonic shit im seeing.
 






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Yet once again that jew is war mongering between christians and muslims through his fake conversion to christianity.
Are you saying the Jews are responsible for a “self fulfilling prophecy”?? Trying to foment the end times without the divine intervention of God himself?

Also, are you really LibDem MP David Ward?
 






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Are you saying the Jews are responsible for a “self fulfilling prophecy”?? Trying to foment the end times without the divine intervention of God himself?

Also, are you really LibDem MP David Ward?
I have heard that idea from a number of people now… Those who have read “The Last Battle” by C.S. Lewis may remember that this was precisely the scenario allegorised in the story, with the mouthpiece of this particular idea being Ginger the cat.

The observed effects of this conceit are played out on the reactions of the dwarfs…


"Well," said the Black Dwarf (whose name was Griffle), "I don’t know how all you chaps feel, but I feel I’ve heard as much about Aslan as I want to for the rest of my life."​
"That’s right, that’s right," growled the other Dwarfs. "It’s all a plant, all a blooming plant."​
"What do you mean?" said Tirian. He had not been pale when he was fighting but he was pale now. He had thought this was going to be a beautiful moment, but it was turning out more like a bad dream.​
"You must think we’re blooming soft in the head, that you must," said Griffle. "We’ve been taken in once and now you expect us to be taken in again the next minute. We’ve no more use for stories about Aslan, see! Look at him! An old moke with long ears!"​
"By heaven, you make me mad," said Tirian. "Which of us said that was Aslan? That is the Ape’s imitation of the real Aslan. Can’t you understand?"​
"And you’ve got a better imitation, I suppose!" said Griffle. "No thanks. We’ve been fooled once and we’re not going to be fooled again."​

 






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Are you saying the Jews are responsible for a “self fulfilling prophecy”?? Trying to foment the end times without the divine intervention of God himself?

Also, are you really LibDem MP David Ward?
there's an unconscious element aswell as a conscious..but this is true for everyone. Everyone wants to consciously receive good things, but unconsciously can bring about the complete opposite.
It's often called the shadow archetype, or psychological reversal. It happens because on some unconscious level you're inviting the exact opposite for yourself.

In this case when im talking about 7th century jewish messianicism...it comes under the shadow of Jesus. Eg in Chapter 18, the Moses vs Khidr story, basically represents the system of LAW vs Faith, or 'slavery vs sonship' which Paul went in depth about. It's basically Islam and Ihsan.
You find the same theme in hinduism and in taoist philosophy too. Eg the duality of yin/yang representing the 2 seas..and their meeting point (which in christianity is represented by the Ichthys symbol, the fish). It's also found in egyptian mythology which connects with the phoenixician/semitic/arabic alphabets eg the fish is Nun...which is the primordial water eg the universal consciousness.
in this case the law is an extention of the Pen...eg the primordial 'ink' and the pen become the divine scriptorium and hence the law.
the islam/the law represent causation...eg 'the first thing Allah created' (the Mohammedan reality) whereas ihsan connects to an eternal reality.

read the tao te ching...that wisdom was what Jesus and Khidr were expressing..and what the common jew under the duality of yin and yangcouldnt make sense of, just like Moses couldnt make sense of Khidr.

read the Cyrus/dhul qarnain verses in surah 18..and then read Isaiah 45..notice there is a reversal in direction?
you could call this subliminal programming..and humans are unconsciously bringing about the manifestation of these themes.


the jews caused the sassanian-byzantine war and it led to the creation of a jewish state in the holy land.
in fact, they forged a fake zoroastrian book of prophecies, the Bahman yast. In chapter 1, the tree with 4 parts was a rip off of Daniel's image (daniel 2).

It helped bring about the sassanian-persian war for the holy land..and the persians were the good guys. The white christians were 'demons with dishevelled hair' in the mind of the jewish author(s)..or at least that was their propaganda.

Yet it led to prophet Mohammad, not the jewish prophet.
What Mohammad was, was the messianic shadow archetype. It's why for example you have the 'suffering servant' (messiah ben joseph) theme and the davidic conquerer theme as 2 aspects of Jesus before ascension and after his descent..and yet it's also true in Mohammad.
Eg the meccan and madni periods representing those themes. Similarly Mohammad judged them on the law, unlike Jesus.
Despite the unintended consequences, it was still the manifestation of prophecy. the above plays right into the theme in John 16's comforter promise. It was still the holy spirit at work.

Read Leviticus 26's punishments segment. They are carrying a collective guilt complex, unconsciously. they may consciously think they are righteous or more deserving, but unconsciously they know who Jesus was. The fact the jewish temple was destroyed after they rejected them is proof of it. they planted the seed and their 'enemy ate the fruit' as per Leviticus 26 eg islam was their own manifestation.

It gets deeper than that..after the destruction of the temple, only 3.5 days of the 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9 remains.
3.5 days in prophecy being 3.5 lunar yrs (which is why christians are obsessed with the idea of a muslim making a 7 yr peace treaty with jews and breaking it midway, this is actually their own lack of understanding of the 70 week prophecy).
As it happens, 3.5 yrs become the 42 months/1260 days prophecies in Revelation..and instead of being literal days/months, they are further extended into 1260 lunar yrs.
Rev 12 directly said the gentiles would trample on the outer court for 1260 days. The al jami al aqsa literally is the outer court area of the jewish temple..and muslum rule came to exactly 1260 lunar yrs.

Muslims conquered Jerusalem in
637AD
first crusade where it was lost to Christians..
1099AD
Muslims took it back in 1187 and held it till 1948. 761 years and 462 years
Total 1223 years of Muslim control.
In lunar years that is 1223 X 1.03068
That comes to exactly 1260 years.


in Rev 12, the end of the 1260 days leads to the dajjal.

it amazes me that there's so much evidence in this single chapter proving it is about islam (since muslims specifically have ruled that period. 'trampling on the outer court' eg muslims trample on that part of al aqsa (the entire temple mount is the al aqsa, the masjid on it was built by the ummayad caliphate, it's the area muslims pray at). It clearly isnt referring to any other religion or group.

likewise in Rev 13 we're then told that the true remnant of the jewish people, would find shelter 'in the wilderness for 1260 days'. This isnt literal, this is obv telling us the true jewish bloodline remnant became muslim and find shelter under islam for 1260 days (lunar yrs eg the period of muslim rule over the al aqsa). Even the story in Rev 13 about the woman and her offspring fleeing to the wilderness is remincient of Hagar and Ismael, connecting Sarah and the jewish remnant to islam.

This then links to Zechariah 13 where we are directly told that the true remnant, the 1/3 would neither perish or be cut off/leave the city..they would remain right there.

7 “Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is close to me!”

declares the Lord Almighty.
“Strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered,
and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
8 In the whole land,” declares the Lord,
“two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.

9 This third I will put into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’

and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

2/3 were struck off or died.

we know from genetic studies, even something the israelis have no problems admitting, that the palestinians have jewish blood in them.
since the creation of israel, the end of muslim rule, the palestinians are the ones under attack.
This again makes perfect sense when you read Revelation 13.

The entire theme about the 'return' that the judeo-christian world loves to tell, are mostly misinterpretations of the return from exile (babylon) or references to the return of the lost tribes. The actual remnant of the jewish nation never left..as i said Zech 13 directly tells us so.

Meanwhile what the jews have been doing, setting the 'good west vs the evil east' was their attempt to undo the polarity of the past. That's why you should pay attention to the reversed duality in Isaiah 45 and the dhul qarnain verses in chapter 18. The whole chapter is full of dualism anyway. Dualism represents yin/yang, passive/active (hence the meccan and mahdni side of Mohammad).
So it is now the WEST, america etc trying to attack islam. I can't say to what extent they are intefering with prophecy.
going back to the bahman yast..it isnt divine prophecy, it's forged material..and yet the Abbasids stole themes from it to write the persian-abbasid centric Imam Mahdi end times prophecies which go right to the 'conquest of al hind' theme.

'persian centric' because, for example look at this hadith

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man called al-Harith ibn Harrath will come forth from Ma Wara an-Nahr. His army will be led by a man called mansur who will establish or consolidate things for Muhammad's family as Quraysh consolidated them for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). Every believer must help him, or he said: respond to his sermons. (Book #36, Hadith #4277)

'ma wara an nahr' being 'beyond the oxus' was a persian-centric term ie 'beyond the oxus' (transoxiania) was from their vantage point, it has nothing to do with Mohammad in Madina. He would not be mentioning the river in such terms. This is an example of how hadith are clearly forged and not real prophecy.
This 'prophecy' however is fascinating because it literally is the reason behind the invasion of Afghanistan right upto recent events.

Eg 'beyond the oxus' is a region north of khorosan..that is, tajik/uzbek etc. you have the northern alliance.
you have the taliban in khorosan.
we see american influence all over.

maybe you are very familiar with this 'hadith'..and the interpretation of the name 'al harith ibn harrath'.
Eg al harith = young lion
harrath = one who tills the soil.

Osama means young lion.
then there's Ahmed Massoud, a tajik Afghan, son of 'the lion of panjshir'.
Panjshir being the most fetile land in Afghanistan.

the mahdi's army is from khorosan., so an army general serving a leader from 'transoxania' suggests UNITY in Afghanistan.
not going to lie, if Ahmed Massoud and the taliban shook hands, then it'll be very interesting.
that is on top of the al-hind 'prophecy' with pak and india going on.

is all this, even american influence, unconsciously manifested? i cant say.
one thing i do know is the bahman yast was def forged, many of these hadith are forged from this forged jewish propaganda work..and yet look at the amount of shit that's happened from it?


The bahman yast forgery btw, became the foundation of the 'malhamma' prophecies, the al hind prophecies, the 'carriers of the black flags' and the mahdi prophecies..
a little jewishh forgery in 6th century persia did all that.
it also caused the war that led to the creation of a jewish state and it led to prophet Mohammad himself.

that's pretty impressive.....

the romans vs turks (christianity vs islam...the malhamma) eg turks being turkic tribes which extends to transoxiana and afghanistan right to modern day pak.

this here was supposed to be about the coming of the persian saviour, a descendant of Zoroaster

That prince when he is thirty years old'—some have told the time—'comes with innumerable banners and divers armies, Hindu and Kînî 4, having uplifted banners—for they set up their banners—having exalted banners, and having exalted weapons; they hasten up with speed 5 as far as the Vêh river'—some have said the country of Bambŏ 6—'as far as Bukhâr and the Bukhârans within its bank,

hence the al hind prophecy and the whole 'carriers of the black flags' prophecy was created off the back of this.

. 19. Quite innumerable are the champions, furnished with arms and with banners displayed,' some have said from Sagastân, Pârs, and Khûrâsân, some have said from the lake of Padashkhvârgar 2, some have said from the Hirâtîs 3 and Kôhistân, some have said from Taparistân 4; and from those directions ‘every supplicant for a child 5 comes into 6 view. 26. It is concerning the displayed banners and very numerous army, which were the armed men, champions, and soldiers from the countries of Iran at Padashkhvârgar—whom I told thee 7 that they call both Kurd and Karmân—it is declared


my other viewpoint is this..
Rev prophecy begins with te colonial era..and this began right after the european christian world began to translate and read the book.
likewise mainstream muslims didnt historically study hadith, they were left to the scholars. it's only in the post-modern period due to pseudo-islamic revivalist efforts that muslims have been spoonfed this 'quran and hadith' narrative and hence have been studying hadith.

i look at the fulfillment of these events as a byproduct of our collective attention/focus. we believe it, therefore on some level materialise it.
like Jesus said 'if your eye is single your whole body shall be full of light'.
where the mind focuses, that's what we see...and in this case we are all dominated by religion, sects, ethnicity, history, politics etc...and that whole thing is a distraction and a game.
it is fascinating, but it isnt satisfying at all.



one final example,


Isaiah 40:3
A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.


if you read this alone, you would think
'its a prophecy of Mohammad/islam, clearly'

eg someone is calling, saying
'in the wilderness, prepare the way for the lord, the straight path etc...'

yet in the Gospel, John the Baptist was literally in the wilderness and it says this
John 1:23,
"He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said.”"

John the baptist wasnt even quoting isaiah 40:3 accurately. a little inconsistency like that would not be ignored on an unconscious level.
it is why there's later a literal 'straight path, in the wilderness' manifesting into the world.
this is the other side of prophecy which the Quran alludes to, which people seek in literal terms. it's hidden inbetween words and interpretations.
 






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there's an unconscious element aswell as a conscious..but this is true for everyone. Everyone wants to consciously receive good things, but unconsciously can bring about the complete opposite.
It's often called the shadow archetype, or psychological reversal. It happens because on some unconscious level you're inviting the exact opposite for yourself.

In this case when im talking about 7th century jewish messianicism...it comes under the shadow of Jesus. Eg in Chapter 18, the Moses vs Khidr story, basically represents the system of LAW vs Faith, or 'slavery vs sonship' which Paul went in depth about. It's basically Islam and Ihsan.
You find the same theme in hinduism and in taoist philosophy too. Eg the duality of yin/yang representing the 2 seas..and their meeting point (which in christianity is represented by the Ichthys symbol, the fish). It's also found in egyptian mythology which connects with the phoenixician/semitic/arabic alphabets eg the fish is Nun...which is the primordial water eg the universal consciousness.
in this case the law is an extention of the Pen...eg the primordial 'ink' and the pen become the divine scriptorium and hence the law.
the islam/the law represent causation...eg 'the first thing Allah created' (the Mohammedan reality) whereas ihsan connects to an eternal reality.

read the tao te ching...that wisdom was what Jesus and Khidr were expressing..and what the common jew under the duality of yin and yangcouldnt make sense of, just like Moses couldnt make sense of Khidr.

read the Cyrus/dhul qarnain verses in surah 18..and then read Isaiah 45..notice there is a reversal in direction?
you could call this subliminal programming..and humans are unconsciously bringing about the manifestation of these themes.


the jews caused the sassanian-byzantine war and it led to the creation of a jewish state in the holy land.
in fact, they forged a fake zoroastrian book of prophecies, the Bahman yast. In chapter 1, the tree with 4 parts was a rip off of Daniel's image (daniel 2).

It helped bring about the sassanian-persian war for the holy land..and the persians were the good guys. The white christians were 'demons with dishevelled hair' in the mind of the jewish author(s)..or at least that was their propaganda.

Yet it led to prophet Mohammad, not the jewish prophet.
What Mohammad was, was the messianic shadow archetype. It's why for example you have the 'suffering servant' (messiah ben joseph) theme and the davidic conquerer theme as 2 aspects of Jesus before ascension and after his descent..and yet it's also true in Mohammad.
Eg the meccan and madni periods representing those themes. Similarly Mohammad judged them on the law, unlike Jesus.
Despite the unintended consequences, it was still the manifestation of prophecy. the above plays right into the theme in John 16's comforter promise. It was still the holy spirit at work.

Read Leviticus 26's punishments segment. They are carrying a collective guilt complex, unconsciously. they may consciously think they are righteous or more deserving, but unconsciously they know who Jesus was. The fact the jewish temple was destroyed after they rejected them is proof of it. they planted the seed and their 'enemy ate the fruit' as per Leviticus 26 eg islam was their own manifestation.

It gets deeper than that..after the destruction of the temple, only 3.5 days of the 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9 remains.
3.5 days in prophecy being 3.5 lunar yrs (which is why christians are obsessed with the idea of a muslim making a 7 yr peace treaty with jews and breaking it midway, this is actually their own lack of understanding of the 70 week prophecy).
As it happens, 3.5 yrs become the 42 months/1260 days prophecies in Revelation..and instead of being literal days/months, they are further extended into 1260 lunar yrs.
Rev 12 directly said the gentiles would trample on the outer court for 1260 days. The al jami al aqsa literally is the outer court area of the jewish temple..and muslum rule came to exactly 1260 lunar yrs.

Muslims conquered Jerusalem in
637AD
first crusade where it was lost to Christians..
1099AD
Muslims took it back in 1187 and held it till 1948. 761 years and 462 years
Total 1223 years of Muslim control.
In lunar years that is 1223 X 1.03068
That comes to exactly 1260 years.


in Rev 12, the end of the 1260 days leads to the dajjal.

it amazes me that there's so much evidence in this single chapter proving it is about islam (since muslims specifically have ruled that period. 'trampling on the outer court' eg muslims trample on that part of al aqsa (the entire temple mount is the al aqsa, the masjid on it was built by the ummayad caliphate, it's the area muslims pray at). It clearly isnt referring to any other religion or group.

likewise in Rev 13 we're then told that the true remnant of the jewish people, would find shelter 'in the wilderness for 1260 days'. This isnt literal, this is obv telling us the true jewish bloodline remnant became muslim and find shelter under islam for 1260 days (lunar yrs eg the period of muslim rule over the al aqsa). Even the story in Rev 13 about the woman and her offspring fleeing to the wilderness is remincient of Hagar and Ismael, connecting Sarah and the jewish remnant to islam.

This then links to Zechariah 13 where we are directly told that the true remnant, the 1/3 would neither perish or be cut off/leave the city..they would remain right there.

7 “Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is close to me!”

declares the Lord Almighty.
“Strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered,
and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
8 In the whole land,” declares the Lord,
“two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.

9 This third I will put into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’

and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

2/3 were struck off or died.

we know from genetic studies, even something the israelis have no problems admitting, that the palestinians have jewish blood in them.
since the creation of israel, the end of muslim rule, the palestinians are the ones under attack.
This again makes perfect sense when you read Revelation 13.

The entire theme about the 'return' that the judeo-christian world loves to tell, are mostly misinterpretations of the return from exile (babylon) or references to the return of the lost tribes. The actual remnant of the jewish nation never left..as i said Zech 13 directly tells us so.

Meanwhile what the jews have been doing, setting the 'good west vs the evil east' was their attempt to undo the polarity of the past. That's why you should pay attention to the reversed duality in Isaiah 45 and the dhul qarnain verses in chapter 18. The whole chapter is full of dualism anyway. Dualism represents yin/yang, passive/active (hence the meccan and mahdni side of Mohammad).
So it is now the WEST, america etc trying to attack islam. I can't say to what extent they are intefering with prophecy.
going back to the bahman yast..it isnt divine prophecy, it's forged material..and yet the Abbasids stole themes from it to write the persian-abbasid centric Imam Mahdi end times prophecies which go right to the 'conquest of al hind' theme.

'persian centric' because, for example look at this hadith

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man called al-Harith ibn Harrath will come forth from Ma Wara an-Nahr. His army will be led by a man called mansur who will establish or consolidate things for Muhammad's family as Quraysh consolidated them for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). Every believer must help him, or he said: respond to his sermons. (Book #36, Hadith #4277)

'ma wara an nahr' being 'beyond the oxus' was a persian-centric term ie 'beyond the oxus' (transoxiania) was from their vantage point, it has nothing to do with Mohammad in Madina. He would not be mentioning the river in such terms. This is an example of how hadith are clearly forged and not real prophecy.
This 'prophecy' however is fascinating because it literally is the reason behind the invasion of Afghanistan right upto recent events.

Eg 'beyond the oxus' is a region north of khorosan..that is, tajik/uzbek etc. you have the northern alliance.
you have the taliban in khorosan.
we see american influence all over.

maybe you are very familiar with this 'hadith'..and the interpretation of the name 'al harith ibn harrath'.
Eg al harith = young lion
harrath = one who tills the soil.

Osama means young lion.
then there's Ahmed Massoud, a tajik Afghan, son of 'the lion of panjshir'.
Panjshir being the most fetile land in Afghanistan.

the mahdi's army is from khorosan., so an army general serving a leader from 'transoxania' suggests UNITY in Afghanistan.
not going to lie, if Ahmed Massoud and the taliban shook hands, then it'll be very interesting.
that is on top of the al-hind 'prophecy' with pak and india going on.

is all this, even american influence, unconsciously manifested? i cant say.
one thing i do know is the bahman yast was def forged, many of these hadith are forged from this forged jewish propaganda work..and yet look at the amount of shit that's happened from it?


The bahman yast forgery btw, became the foundation of the 'malhamma' prophecies, the al hind prophecies, the 'carriers of the black flags' and the mahdi prophecies..
a little jewishh forgery in 6th century persia did all that.
it also caused the war that led to the creation of a jewish state and it led to prophet Mohammad himself.

that's pretty impressive.....

the romans vs turks (christianity vs islam...the malhamma) eg turks being turkic tribes which extends to transoxiana and afghanistan right to modern day pak.

this here was supposed to be about the coming of the persian saviour, a descendant of Zoroaster

That prince when he is thirty years old'—some have told the time—'comes with innumerable banners and divers armies, Hindu and Kînî 4, having uplifted banners—for they set up their banners—having exalted banners, and having exalted weapons; they hasten up with speed 5 as far as the Vêh river'—some have said the country of Bambŏ 6—'as far as Bukhâr and the Bukhârans within its bank,

hence the al hind prophecy and the whole 'carriers of the black flags' prophecy was created off the back of this.

. 19. Quite innumerable are the champions, furnished with arms and with banners displayed,' some have said from Sagastân, Pârs, and Khûrâsân, some have said from the lake of Padashkhvârgar 2, some have said from the Hirâtîs 3 and Kôhistân, some have said from Taparistân 4; and from those directions ‘every supplicant for a child 5 comes into 6 view. 26. It is concerning the displayed banners and very numerous army, which were the armed men, champions, and soldiers from the countries of Iran at Padashkhvârgar—whom I told thee 7 that they call both Kurd and Karmân—it is declared


my other viewpoint is this..
Rev prophecy begins with te colonial era..and this began right after the european christian world began to translate and read the book.
likewise mainstream muslims didnt historically study hadith, they were left to the scholars. it's only in the post-modern period due to pseudo-islamic revivalist efforts that muslims have been spoonfed this 'quran and hadith' narrative and hence have been studying hadith.

i look at the fulfillment of these events as a byproduct of our collective attention/focus. we believe it, therefore on some level materialise it.
like Jesus said 'if your eye is single your whole body shall be full of light'.
where the mind focuses, that's what we see...and in this case we are all dominated by religion, sects, ethnicity, history, politics etc...and that whole thing is a distraction and a game.
it is fascinating, but it isnt satisfying at all.



one final example,


Isaiah 40:3
A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.


if you read this alone, you would think
'its a prophecy of Mohammad/islam, clearly'

eg someone is calling, saying
'in the wilderness, prepare the way for the lord, the straight path etc...'

yet in the Gospel, John the Baptist was literally in the wilderness and it says this
John 1:23,
"He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said.”"

John the baptist wasnt even quoting isaiah 40:3 accurately. a little inconsistency like that would not be ignored on an unconscious level.
it is why there's later a literal 'straight path, in the wilderness' manifesting into the world.
this is the other side of prophecy which the Quran alludes to, which people seek in literal terms. it's hidden inbetween words and interpretations.
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Not if the underlying thread of what is to be must & will happen....specially if your out of time. ;)
 






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Not if the underlying thread of what is to be must & will happen....specially if your out of time. ;)
You’re trying to sound clever but you’re making some huge mistakes in your one liner reply.

1. A Prophecy is fulfilled by God not by men playing God.

2. When it comes to time, you and I have experienced very little of it, but the universe has seen much of it. So we do not get to decide what little of it is left or whether we as a human race are “out of time”.

3. Everyone thinks they’re an expert at decoding the “time” but the arrogance is what is obvious to me.

I’m staying humble on this one. It is a self fulfilling prophecy by men who would be gods but are nothing more than the synagogue of Satan.
 






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No not sounding clever just humble enough to realize i'm not the ONE out of time itself aka THE ETERNAL ONE THE CREATOR....It's his tory not ours if its to happen then it happens ordained and all that's it.
 






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No not sounding clever just humble enough to realize i'm not the ONE out of time itself aka THE ETERNAL ONE THE CREATOR....It's his tory not ours if its to happen then it happens ordained and all that's it.
Precisely. So why play into the hands of men who think they're gods or doing their best rendition of trying to imitate God? It's the mere definition of a "self-fulfilling prophecy". To constantly quote men who are clearly satan worshipers and want to be our gods is simply naïve and foolish IMHO.
 






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Jewish, Christian groups urge Biden not to withdraw all US troops from Iraq


U.S. President Joe Biden on June 4, 2021. Source: POTUS/Facebook.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center joined interfaith human-rights organizations in pleading with U.S. President Joe Biden to keep U.S. troops in Iraq.

“We beseech you on behalf of two historic and endangered peoples, Assyrian Christians and Yazidis, to continue the presence of American troops in Iraq,” read an open letter to the president from the Iraqi Christian Relief Council and Yazda Organization, which was also published on Change.org. “Mr. President, we urge you to resist pressure to withdraw all troops from Iraq. Recent blood-soaked history has shown that without such a presence, the history of Assyrians and Yazidis on their ancient lands would end.”
 






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And on the same day…

UN watchdog: Iran has quadrupled its stocks of 60%-enriched uranium since May


Footage of the Natanz nuclear facility aired by Iranian state TV, on April 17, 2021. (Screen capture/Twitter)

Iran has dramatically increased its production of highly enriched uranium in recent months, while refusing to resume full cooperation with inspectors, the United Nations nuclear watchdog said on Tuesday.

Tehran has quadrupled its stockpile of 60 percent-enriched uranium since May, in open contravention of the 2015 accord with world powers that was meant to contain its nuclear program, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported.

The IAEA also told member states in its confidential quarterly report that its verification and monitoring activities have been “seriously undermined” since February by Iran’s refusal to let inspectors access IAEA monitoring equipment.
 






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I'm not yet convinced we're in an Armageddon scenario yet but war is undeniably on the horizon. I don't know if it will be a WW3 but it will be something more than the petty wars that have gone on since WW2, it'll be something more extreme.
China does seem the catalyst and essential cause, not only through it's authoritarian regime but also it's pilling human rights abuses which makes anything in the Middle East (whether by terrorists or by the US military) child's play. Plus Covid.
Countries like Russia and Israel always seem to want to get their hand in it.

America is just childishly naïve and I think it comes from the fact that it is simply a young country without much history (meaning post-Colonialist which is relatively yesterday and not long ago). America was never fit to be a world superpower, but it jumped on it for about a century.
China on the other hand does have a bigger history, as Russia, as many of the Middle Eastern and East Asian countries. Many of which have either hosted or been part of large empires for many centuries at a time, not one tiny century.

I'm looking forward to America's influence and power disappearing but China (as it currently is, a tyrannical communist dictatorship) coming out on top is exactly like if Hitler had won WW2. Maybe this is a history repeats itself scenario.
If anything this is all a huge demonstration of the folly of governments and why chasing carrots (strung along by ourselves) is a bad thing.


It's funny that no matter how many times people are reminded of nuclear war and dystopian totalitarianism in fiction, no matter how much those stories compel people, it still just washes over public consciousness.
 






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I'm not yet convinced we're in an Armageddon

It's funny u use the term Armageddon. U know Armageddon isn't what ur contextualising it to be right.
Armageddon is the earth's armies turning their weapons to literally fight God.


Armageddon, sometimes rendered “Har–Magedon” (Hebrew Har Meghiddohnʹ), means “Mountain of Megiddo.” Megiddo was once a city in the territory of ancient Israel. History tells of decisive battles that were fought in its vicinity, including some that are recorded in the Bible. (Judges 5:19, 20; 2 Kings 9:27; 23:29) However, Armageddon cannot refer to the literal area near ancient Megiddo. There is no large mountain there, and even the entire adjoining Low Plain of Jezreel could not contain all those who will fight against God. Instead, Armageddon is the worldwide situation in which the nations assemble in their last stand against rule by God.
 






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An attack on Israel while America stood by and did nothing (like the cowardly lion in the Wizard of Oz) was unthinkable to many. Then along came Joe…


A viewpoint from Washington, coming from outside the gathering…

 






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Ezekiel 38

13Sheba, and Dedan [Saudi Arabia, UAE etc?], and the merchants of Tarshish, [Great Britain?] with all the young lions thereof, [former British Colonies inc America, Australia etc] shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
 






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