Nations taking their places for Ezekiel 38

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I'm not sure if that guy is a zionist propagandist or if he is just ignorant of the historic record of what is known as 'modern day Israel'. His 'prophesy update' is over 74 years late in as much as 'dividing the land' is concerned as the zionists themselves divided the land in May 1948.

"MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947..." source

I know zionists like to hide the fact that they declared borders so i'll give Andy Woods the benefit of the doubt and say he is ignorant of the facts but if he's some sort of teacher then he really should be doing a fact check so as not to lead the sheep off a cliff edge. As it is, whether ignorant or not, that video if full of distortions where he talks of 'Judea and Samaria' being the land of Israel or Gaza being the 'Palestinian state' and going by some of the comments on youtube he has infected gullible peoples minds (knowingly or unknowingly) with a lie.
 

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I'm not sure if that guy is a zionist propagandist or if he is just ignorant of the historic record of what is known as 'modern day Israel'. His 'prophesy update' is over 74 years late in as much as 'dividing the land' is concerned as the zionists themselves divided the land in May 1948.

"MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947..." source

I know zionists like to hide the fact that they declared borders so i'll give Andy Woods the benefit of the doubt and say he is ignorant of the facts but if he's some sort of teacher then he really should be doing a fact check so as not to lead the sheep off a cliff edge. As it is, whether ignorant or not, that video if full of distortions where he talks of 'Judea and Samaria' being the land of Israel or Gaza being the 'Palestinian state' and going by some of the comments on youtube he has infected gullible peoples minds (knowingly or unknowingly) with a lie.
I think it comes down to the question “who owns the land”. Is there something distinctive and prophetic about the land of Israel or is it just a piece of ground in the Middle East?

My take is that God owns the land, and gives it to who He chooses, for His reasons. The Jews are back in the land but their return was a divine appointment, not a stamp of approval.
 

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I think it comes down to the question “who owns the land”. Is there something distinctive and prophetic about the land of Israel or is it just a piece of ground in the Middle East?

My take is that God owns the land, and gives it to who He chooses, for His reasons. The Jews are back in the land but their return was a divine appointment, not a stamp of approval.

Psalm 24:1. I'd go even further and say that God owns the very clothes on my back. But none of that changes the fact that the fella in the video, who claims dividing the land is a 'trigger' for God (seriously, God gets triggered?) is 74 years out of date as the zionists had already divided the land. It's right there in the quote i used. It can't be denied by any reasonable person.
 

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Psalm 24:1. I'd go even further and say that God owns the very clothes on my back. But none of that changes the fact that the fella in the video, who claims dividing the land is a 'trigger' for God (seriously, God gets triggered?) is 74 years out of date as the zionists had already divided the land. It's right there in the quote i used. It can't be denied by any reasonable person.
What do you make of this?

Joel 3:2 - King James Version

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
 

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What do you make of this?

Joel 3:2 - King James Version

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
I don't make anything of it tbh as it's not a passage that does anything regarding my daily walk. I do know however that Christian zionists like to quote it whenever talk (and talk is all it is) of a two state solution hits the headlines and it has been so for many, many years. What i don't think i have ever encountered though is someone claiming 'biblical prophesy is unfolding before our eyes' whenever there's mention of a two state solution. I also watched another ppov video (226) where Andy Woods claimed that Israel 'won' Judea and Samaria in 1967. Quite peculiar. but like i already stated zionists divided the land in 1948 when they declared their borders and nothing outside those borders is the 'state of Israel'. I mention that again because Andy Woods would like us to believe that this Palestinian state will be inside Israel's borders when clearly, regardless of how many Jews live in the West Bank, it will not be inside Israel's borders.

How someone can claim, and others believe, that 'prophecy is unfolding before our eyes' because Lapid and Biden say they support such a solution (they also did so on July 14th) is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain that to me?


EDIT: Heres Lapid From 14th July

"About the two-state solution, I haven’t changed my position. A two-state solution is a guarantee for a strong democratic state of Israel with a Jewish majority".

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I don't make anything of it tbh as it's not a passage that does anything regarding my daily walk. I do know however that Christian zionists like to quote it whenever talk (and talk is all it is) of a two state solution hits the headlines and it has been so for many, many years. What i don't think i have ever encountered though is someone claiming 'biblical prophesy is unfolding before our eyes' whenever there's mention of a two state solution. I also watched another ppov video (226) where Andy Woods claimed that Israel 'won' Judea and Samaria in 1967. Quite peculiar. but like i already stated zionists divided the land in 1948 when they declared their borders and nothing outside those borders is the 'state of Israel'. I mention that again because Andy Woods would like us to believe that this Palestinian state will be inside Israel's borders when clearly, regardless of how many Jews live in the West Bank, it will not be inside Israel's borders.

How someone can claim, and others believe, that 'prophecy is unfolding before our eyes' because Lapid and Biden say they support such a solution (they also did so on July 14th) is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain that to me?


EDIT: Heres Lapid From 14th July

"About the two-state solution, I haven’t changed my position. A two-state solution is a guarantee for a strong democratic state of Israel with a Jewish majority".

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For a long time the “Palestinian Question” has been a source of conflict in the Middle East. The Arab states have eased their position to a degree economically following the Abraham Accords, but remain mainly aloof over the insistence on an agreed two-state solution.

If one is achieved, Israel may quickly become a land of “unwalled villages” and may welcome a seven year covenant that gives them the go-ahead to build a third temple. It’s easy to construct prophetic scenarios out of current events, but as for what will actually transpire, we will just have to wait and see.
 

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It's one thing for us 'nobodies' to discuss what might or might not happen or what this or that might mean but it's a totally different thing when a pastor and 'teacher' spreads it on youtube.

No offence, Red, but i think this guy Woods is part Christian part zionist propagandist. Even worse he's an individual who thinks Universal Health Care could be a 'trigger for God's wrath'. I would think, and i would like to think all genuine Christians would agree, that God would probably be more 'upset' at the lack of Universal Health Care. I guess for some though the God of money comes before all else.
 

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It's one thing for us 'nobodies' to discuss what might or might not happen or what this or that might mean but it's a totally different thing when a pastor and 'teacher' spreads it on youtube.

No offence, Red, but i think this guy Woods is part Christian part zionist propagandist. Even worse he's an individual who thinks Universal Health Care could be a 'trigger for God's wrath'. I would think, and i would like to think all genuine Christians would agree, that God would probably be more 'upset' at the lack of Universal Health Care. I guess for some though the God of money comes before all else.
I think support for Israel’s existence and ideas on universal healthcare are separate issues, as perhaps are taste in cloths or preferred sporting teams.

We have “universal health care” in the UK, except what you get on the NHS and what you get privately are two different tiers of treatment. UHC delivered well is a good thing and delivered badly is a money pit. It all depends on who is delivering it, and if I were a US citizen I wouldn’t trust the Democrats to deliver a pair of socks, never mind a new national healthcare infrastructure.
 

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Different issues...agreed. However Andy Woods lumped in 'dividing the land' and UHC when asking 'what could trigger God'. The fact that he even thinks God could be 'triggered' says a lot about his 'faith' imo.

I don't trust the tories, labour or lib dems with our NHS (or anything at all) but i still see the need for it. And wouldn't it be great if we all could afford to go private.

I guess some nations, to quote Don Francisco, like to '...make the poor man beg for a bone'.
 

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Different issues...agreed. However Andy Woods lumped in 'dividing the land' and UHC when asking 'what could trigger God'. The fact that he even thinks God could be 'triggered' says a lot about his 'faith' imo.

I don't trust the tories, labour or lib dems with our NHS (or anything at all) but i still see the need for it. And wouldn't it be great if we all could afford to go private.

I guess some nations, to quote Don Francisco, like to '...make the poor man beg for a bone'.
I remember the song!

 

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And the god of this world is mammon so....universal healthcare to private is all a facade when they are the ones making people sick to then make them well but just well enough so that they need this drug for x amount of time etc

As for Israel until GOD sets foot on it again its going to be a place of contention no matter what any thinks its in the bible....
 
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