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The mainstream media is telling us all day every day that we should hate him. So if the mainstream media is evil, and they hate trump, might there not be a chance that he is not as evil as they are? Or a different, lesser brand of evil?

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did you hear the daniel estulin interview with jeff rense on this topic? his POV is that trump is part of a different faction of elites (think: guggenheim vs jp morgan) who are NOT part of the bilderberg.
OTOH, i am still confused as to why he was allowed to become president. i am not convinced that it was luck or that he actually won, as the NWO/elites control all of the voting software. could there have been THAT many people voting for him that the elites couldnt rig it? i think not. i think they allowed him in to increase conflict amongst the population.
according to SGT report (on youtube), the big issue is his apparent hatred of p***philia and his crusade against it. this is, supposedly, the reason for the russia collusion smokescreen. let him put pressure on MSM and the elites. besides, he knows 9-11 was an inside job and wasnt involved.
the enemy of your enemy is your friend. besides, at least its not hillary.
 






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The mainstream media is telling us all day every day that we should hate him. So if the mainstream media is evil, and they hate trump, might there not be a chance that he is not as evil as they are? Or a different, lesser brand of evil?
Those of you who hate him, don't you think you may be being manipulated into feeling that way?
Let me end by saying that I have voted third party in every election since I turned 18, with the exception of Ron Paul as Republican. I only support who I think is trying to shake up the system./QUOTE]
This may sound far-fetched but the media against Trump narrative is simply a way to legitimize the media and/or Trump, depending on whether a given individual dislikes or likes Trump.

On one hand, the mainstream media over the past decade has been losing credibility. In recent years, more people have begun to realize that media has been compromised. That media is not neutral but instead is controlled by big crony money, the same corrupt "capitalists" that have also infiltrated government. Independent media has shed light on how major networks have (and continue to) run fake news, parrot the government's narrative on any given situation, and suppress whatever their corporate sponsors want censored. Only a handful of companies own pretty much all the networks across television. And not only all the networks, but basically all the major/popular/mainstream/vindicated news outlets. Trump is as crazy and disliked as they come. Trump takes all the heat and all the blame, and provides the ultimate distraction from the business as usual-deep state plutocracy the US is. Trump provides a platform for mainstream media to rebuild its own image.

On the other hand, Trump is a useful idiot. A man who the media turned into a faux anti establishment hero for the middle America that has been hit probably more so than the rest of the country by economic policies designed to increase wealth gaps. I mean how can a man who runs with the elite be against them? Any publicity is good publicity. Trump ran a campaign based on voters' fears of Jihadis (a creation of government intervention/cronyism and media hysteria) and frustration regarding the deterioration of their standard of living (again a creation of government intervention/cronyism and censorship by the media).

Ron Paul was the true anti-establishment presidential candidate. No one can refute that Ron Paul promotes ideas/policies that take away all the advantages that crony money has bought from media and government. Where was all the media outrage against him? Especially in regards to foreign policy, which he vehemently opposes aid, coups, and everything else the military industrial complex loves. Let's not forget his unyielding support of the "Audit the Fed" movement. The Federal Reserve is what keeps the machine going, what keeps people in debt, what creates the boom & bust cycle through artificial interest rates, etc. Ron Paul did not make it as far as he could have because the media ignored him and gave him minimal spot light. But is this surprising? Ron Paul has always been bad for crony business. And, the media is a part of crony business in the US.
 






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did you hear the daniel estulin interview with jeff rense on this topic? his POV is that trump is part of a different faction of elites (think: guggenheim vs jp morgan) who are NOT part of the bilderberg.
OTOH, i am still confused as to why he was allowed to become president. i am not convinced that it was luck or that he actually won, as the NWO/elites control all of the voting software. could there have been THAT many people voting for him that the elites couldnt rig it? i think not. i think they allowed him in to increase conflict amongst the population.
according to SGT report (on youtube), the big issue is his apparent hatred of p***philia and his crusade against it. this is, supposedly, the reason for the russia collusion smokescreen. let him put pressure on MSM and the elites. besides, he knows 9-11 was an inside job and wasnt involved.
the enemy of your enemy is your friend. besides, at least its not hillary.
a different faction that makes sense and is a theory i could get behind.
what did you think of my earlier post about the rural voters? i had heard in years past about voters getting bussed in, like illegal immigrants. so is it all totally computerized.
the pedo topic is pretty much the main reason i voted for him and not third party.
trump was in my state last night around 40 seconds he starts talking about media:
i am enjoying his war with the media SO MUCH which is kinda why i made this thread we should all celebrate at least that! no mtter whats behind the scenes hearing crowds booing cnn and nbc just warms my heart :)
forgot about 9/11 he called it a demo like the next day, didn't he?
 






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did you hear the daniel estulin interview with jeff rense on this topic? his POV is that trump is part of a different faction of elites (think: guggenheim vs jp morgan) who are NOT part of the bilderberg.
OTOH, i am still confused as to why he was allowed to become president. i am not convinced that it was luck or that he actually won, as the NWO/elites control all of the voting software. could there have been THAT many people voting for him that the elites couldnt rig it? i think not. i think they allowed him in to increase conflict amongst the population.
according to SGT report (on youtube), the big issue is his apparent hatred of p***philia and his crusade against it. this is, supposedly, the reason for the russia collusion smokescreen. let him put pressure on MSM and the elites. besides, he knows 9-11 was an inside job and wasnt involved.
the enemy of your enemy is your friend. besides, at least its not hillary.
and your last sentence has been my mantra lol
 






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This may sound far-fetched but the media against Trump narrative is simply a way to legitimize the media and/or Trump, depending on whether a given individual dislikes or likes Trump.

On one hand, the mainstream media over the past decade has been losing credibility. In recent years, more people have begun to realize that media has been compromised. That media is not neutral but instead is controlled by big crony money, the same corrupt "capitalists" that have also infiltrated government. Independent media has shed light on how major networks have (and continue to) run fake news, parrot the government's narrative on any given situation, and suppress whatever their corporate sponsors want censored. Only a handful of companies own pretty much all the networks across television. And not only all the networks, but basically all the major/popular/mainstream/vindicated news outlets. Trump is as crazy and disliked as they come. Trump takes all the heat and all the blame, and provides the ultimate distraction from the business as usual-deep state plutocracy the US is. Trump provides a platform for mainstream media to rebuild its own image.

On the other hand, Trump is a useful idiot. A man who the media turned into a faux anti establishment hero for the middle America that has been hit probably more so than the rest of the country by economic policies designed to increase wealth gaps. I mean how can a man who runs with the elite be against them? Any publicity is good publicity. Trump ran a campaign based on voters' fears of Jihadis (a creation of government intervention/cronyism and media hysteria) and frustration regarding the deterioration of their standard of living (again a creation of government intervention/cronyism and censorship by the media).

Ron Paul was the true anti-establishment presidential candidate. No one can refute that Ron Paul promotes ideas/policies that take away all the advantages that crony money has bought from media and government. Where was all the media outrage against him? Especially in regards to foreign policy, which he vehemently opposes aid, coups, and everything else the military industrial complex loves. Let's not forget his unyielding support of the "Audit the Fed" movement. The Federal Reserve is what keeps the machine going, what keeps people in debt, what creates the boom & bust cycle through artificial interest rates, etc. Ron Paul did not make it as far as he could have because the media ignored him and gave him minimal spot light. But is this surprising? Ron Paul has always been bad for crony business. And, the media is a part of crony business in the US.
i don't see how he could be positioned to challenge the MSM by openly criticizing. i guess i see what your saying and have thought these things too but it's just too deep lol i don't think the average american thinks they way people on this site do :)
FTR i voted for him and i have 0 fear of jihadis nor am frustrated economically.
LOVE Ron Paul
 






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a different faction that makes sense and is a theory i could get behind.
what did you think of my earlier post about the rural voters? i had heard in years past about voters getting bussed in, like illegal immigrants. so is it all totally computerized.
the pedo topic is pretty much the main reason i voted for him and not third party.
trump was in my state last night around 40 seconds he starts talking about media:
i am enjoying his war with the media SO MUCH which is kinda why i made this thread we should all celebrate at least that! no mtter whats behind the scenes hearing crowds booing cnn and nbc just warms my heart :)
forgot about 9/11 he called it a demo like the next day, didn't he?

thats simply what estulin had said-- i dont know that for a fact, but that man is quite informed.
i missed your earlier post on rural voters. ill have to look for it. is it in this thread?
the amount of manipulation of the votes/voting machines/voting booths would require many threads.

the biggest reason to have voted for trump is that the elites did not want him in. it was hillary herself, if you recall, that asked MSM to showcase him more because she felt that he was the weakest GOP candidate. that backfired drastically for her. the second biggest should have been the fact that she MUST be brought to justice. allowing her to blatantly commit crimes like she did and not stand trial for them would set a terrible precedent.
ive said this before, but its something we should keep in mind before passing judgement on him: there are so many dealings going on behind closed doors between him and the Deep State/ hillary that we wont know the true story for a very long time. i am not holding my breath, but i am willing to give him a chance to do some good things, or at least throw a monkey wrench into the plans of the NWO, slowing up their timetable.
you cannot reel in all of the pedophiles in DC, end geoengineering, stop wars in syria, end PC, and everything else in one day.
 






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i don't see how he could be positioned to challenge the MSM by openly criticizing. i guess i see what your saying and have thought these things too but it's just too deep lol i don't think the average american thinks they way people on this site do :)
FTR i voted for him and i have 0 fear of jihadis nor am frustrated economically.
LOVE Ron Paul
But you, if I may be so bold, did vote for him because he was the lesser of two evils. The alternative was Hillary Clinton, which even liberals disliked.

Like those before him, he continues to flip flop on a lot of issues. Trump has armed the Saudis to continue their massacre of the people of Yemen (& the Houthis). He is falsely accusing the government of Iran as the number sponsor of terrorism (simple research will show that Iran is helping defeat ISIS/ISIL in Iraq and Syria). In reality, we know that the "royal" family of Saud is the actual sponsor/promoter of terrorism. The Trump administration is also working on a trillion dollar stimulus package (we all know by now that "stimulus packages" are redistributions of wealth to selected contractors, etc and well further devalue the dollar).

Doesn't really matter who we vote for in major elections. The politicians of democratic and republican parties, for the most part, are owned by their sponsors. Trump was marketable because people viewed him as man who couldn't be bought. Undoubtedly crazy but nonetheless, an individual saying all the right things during his campaign (staying out of other countries affairs, opening dialogue with Russia, cutting down foreign aid, etc). However, no doubt exists that he continues, as those before him, to serve the interests of the deep state.

Mainstream media does not touch the federal reserve, the coups of the CIA, etc, etc. But the mainstream media will seemingly put Trump in a bad light because it can say it's doing its job. Yet, this serves as a major distraction from the aforementioned issues.

It is true, not many think outside the box as many do who frequent the forums and the main site.
 






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But you, if I may be so bold, did vote for him because he was the lesser of two evils. The alternative was Hillary Clinton, which even liberals disliked.

Like those before him, he continues to flip flop on a lot of issues. Trump has armed the Saudis to continue their massacre of the people of Yemen (& the Houthis). He is falsely accusing the government of Iran as the number sponsor of terrorism (simple research will show that Iran is helping defeat ISIS/ISIL in Iraq and Syria). In reality, we know that the "royal" family of Saud is the actual sponsor/promoter of terrorism. The Trump administration is also working on a trillion dollar stimulus package (we all know by now that "stimulus packages" are redistributions of wealth to selected contractors, etc and well further devalue the dollar).

Doesn't really matter who we vote for in major elections. The politicians of democratic and republican parties, for the most part, are owned by their sponsors. Trump was marketable because people viewed him as man who couldn't be bought. Undoubtedly crazy but nonetheless, an individual saying all the right things during his campaign (staying out of other countries affairs, opening dialogue with Russia, cutting down foreign aid, etc). However, no doubt exists that he continues, as those before him, to serve the interests of the deep state.

Mainstream media does not touch the federal reserve, the coups of the CIA, etc, etc. But the mainstream media will seemingly put Trump in a bad light because it can say it's doing its job. Yet, this serves as a major distraction from the aforementioned issues.

It is true, not many think outside the box as many do who frequent the forums and the main site.
nah i never do the lesser of two evils vote, ive always "wasted my vote" and voted third party. ironic because i do believe the voting is fixed. but i've always dutifully gone and voted libertarian or whoever.
i voted for him because he got on tv and said "this election is rigged". because obama spoke out against him. because of pizzagate. because the media was so against him. because the celebrities were so against him.
the msm came up with the term fake news to cover up pizzagate and he turned it around on them.
and i'll never forget when i got to watch live as bush, clintons and obamas positively squirmed in their fucking seats sharing the stage with him. and michelle obamas sour face wow i digress
doesn't mean i like the guy im sure he's a piece of shit but i credit him for saying the things he said.
You guys should go back and read my writings on this thread i said some really poetic and interesting shit i keep trying to repeat....:)
 






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nah i never do the lesser of two evils vote, ive always "wasted my vote" and voted third party. ironic because i do believe the voting is fixed. but i've always dutifully gone and voted libertarian or whoever.
i voted for him because he got on tv and said "this election is rigged". because obama spoke out against him. because of pizzagate. because the media was so against him. because the celebrities were so against him.
the msm came up with the term fake news to cover up pizzagate and he turned it around on them.
and i'll never forget when i got to watch live as bush, clintons and obamas positively squirmed in their fucking seats sharing the stage with him. and michelle obamas sour face wow i digress
doesn't mean i like the guy im sure he's a piece of shit but i credit him for saying the things he said.
You guys should go back and read my writings on this thread i said some really poetic and interesting shit i keep trying to repeat....:)
I love Libertarianism :)

I feel it though, if I understand correctly, Trump is bittersweet. On one hand, he really pissed everyone and everything off that was for the establishment. And he certainly made everyone on that side of the aisle nervous. On the other, he is starting to really screw things up as time goes by. To each his own, maybe he really meant everything he said. But like those before him, he is realizing that he has to bend to government entities that are out of the spot light. However, I always thought of him more of an opportunist.
 






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The nonaggression principle. Theoretically, the states would have more freedom to govern themselves. The federal government would assume a much more intended defensive role. Theoretically, socialist and communist communities could exist under a traditional Libertarian government. Everything would be more decentralized.

Ideally, states could learn from each other. No one size shoe fits all. States would implement what works and discard what doesn't. It would not be perfect but better than what we currently have.
 






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The nonaggression principle. Theoretically, the states would have more freedom to govern themselves. The federal government would assume a much more intended defensive role. Theoretically, socialist and communist communities could exist under a traditional Libertarian government. Everything would be more decentralized.

Ideally, states could learn from each other. No one size shoe fits all. States would implement what works and discard what doesn't. It would not be perfect but better than what we currently have.
i think it is the closest to the forefather's intentions
 






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interesting quote:
“As of a few months ago, our country has spent $6 trillion in the Middle East, wasted. And the lives, the lives, thousands and thousands and thousands of lives. $6 trillion and thousands of young, beautiful lives.

“We started 16 years ago and it’s in far worse shape than it was 16 years ago by many times over. So, we spent all of this money, all of these lives.

“And let me tell you, I came in and took over a very, very difficult hand. But we’re going to get it fixed. That’s what you put me here for. We’re going to get it fixed.”

– President Donald Trump, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, June 21, 2017
 






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