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@Claire Rousseau
remember Romans 1
the underlying theme actually connects to 3 levels/states of mind, which in islam correspond to
Islam, Hawa (passion/desire) and Jahilliya (ignorance/darkness).
in hinduism they're called the 3 gunas. Sattva, Rajas and Tamas. I do highly recommend you research on the 3 gunas because there's a lot more information on them.
You can see Paul also going through them eg from 'God' to passion into complete darkness. Yet again it's an example of a side of the NT that the common christian has no clue about except at face value (but im not trying to bash christianity in this post). Likewise each source of information allows us to guage the overall ideas better.
Paul, to his credit, went in depth explaining that the law wasnt designed to conceal sin but to make it's depths known. Eg it was not given to MAKE people pure.
likewise the state of islam was one attained by muslims after 10 yrs of living with Mohammad in mecca.
only after those 10 yrs, were they ready to receive Shariah law.
today, we're already in a deep state of hawa and jahilliya..
in this state, adopting islamic shariah only does more damage because of our inability to adhere to it without corrupting it. This is something the common muslim just doesnt seem to get when they advocate for islamic law in muslim countries. Not that im against it, it's just it has to be catered to a society.
For example Turkey is a secular coutnry, turkic and balkan muslims all drink alcohol in large numbers eg Raki is the eastern european muslim drink. Think it's vodka in central asia. Any talk of outlawing alcohol is met with fierce resistance.
in Madina, it became common for muslim men to show up to congregational prayer, drunk. However even before this, Mohammad chose milk over wine when he was offered a choice by Gabriel (ie righteous by faith).
When the Quran finally forbade alcohol, it was abandoned by muslims the same day. There were some exceptions, a few addicts, but the vast majority were capable of immediately adhering to the prohibition.
My take is this...
these laws werent designed to 'make people pure' but to prevent people falling back into the states of Passion and Ignorance.
Today, that's gone out the window and so the law is really only there as a reference point to measure against ourselves.
You can look at it like collectively we are all like one big damp house, that attracts mould.
mould grows at random..and likewise as it says in Romans 1, God gives people over to lust which eventually produces a homosexual society.
this can affect anyone. I've known deeply religious families who've suddenly ended up with an odd child..and we know about the gay ones because they're very camp, but not so much about the lesbians and the non-camp gay ones. A lot of it is hidden.
So really it's about accepting the fact that it exists and is really not one individual's fault. it isn't down to bad parenting or bad genes, it's down to the world as a whole being in a collective dark state.
Accepting it however shouldn't be the same as saying 'we should not allow gay imams and gay marraige'. that is some canadian shit.
remember Romans 1
the underlying theme actually connects to 3 levels/states of mind, which in islam correspond to
Islam, Hawa (passion/desire) and Jahilliya (ignorance/darkness).
in hinduism they're called the 3 gunas. Sattva, Rajas and Tamas. I do highly recommend you research on the 3 gunas because there's a lot more information on them.
You can see Paul also going through them eg from 'God' to passion into complete darkness. Yet again it's an example of a side of the NT that the common christian has no clue about except at face value (but im not trying to bash christianity in this post). Likewise each source of information allows us to guage the overall ideas better.
Paul, to his credit, went in depth explaining that the law wasnt designed to conceal sin but to make it's depths known. Eg it was not given to MAKE people pure.
likewise the state of islam was one attained by muslims after 10 yrs of living with Mohammad in mecca.
only after those 10 yrs, were they ready to receive Shariah law.
today, we're already in a deep state of hawa and jahilliya..
in this state, adopting islamic shariah only does more damage because of our inability to adhere to it without corrupting it. This is something the common muslim just doesnt seem to get when they advocate for islamic law in muslim countries. Not that im against it, it's just it has to be catered to a society.
For example Turkey is a secular coutnry, turkic and balkan muslims all drink alcohol in large numbers eg Raki is the eastern european muslim drink. Think it's vodka in central asia. Any talk of outlawing alcohol is met with fierce resistance.
in Madina, it became common for muslim men to show up to congregational prayer, drunk. However even before this, Mohammad chose milk over wine when he was offered a choice by Gabriel (ie righteous by faith).
When the Quran finally forbade alcohol, it was abandoned by muslims the same day. There were some exceptions, a few addicts, but the vast majority were capable of immediately adhering to the prohibition.
My take is this...
these laws werent designed to 'make people pure' but to prevent people falling back into the states of Passion and Ignorance.
Today, that's gone out the window and so the law is really only there as a reference point to measure against ourselves.
You can look at it like collectively we are all like one big damp house, that attracts mould.
mould grows at random..and likewise as it says in Romans 1, God gives people over to lust which eventually produces a homosexual society.
this can affect anyone. I've known deeply religious families who've suddenly ended up with an odd child..and we know about the gay ones because they're very camp, but not so much about the lesbians and the non-camp gay ones. A lot of it is hidden.
So really it's about accepting the fact that it exists and is really not one individual's fault. it isn't down to bad parenting or bad genes, it's down to the world as a whole being in a collective dark state.
Accepting it however shouldn't be the same as saying 'we should not allow gay imams and gay marraige'. that is some canadian shit.