Muslim-Christian war is a fomented Illuminati HOAX

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foment
1: try to stir up public opinion [ syn: {agitate}, {stir up}]

hoax
1: something intended to deceive; deliberate trickery intended to gain an advantage [ syn: {fraud}, {fraudulence}, {dupery}, {humbug}, {put-on}]

"Long before Marconi invented the radio; the scientists in the Illuminati had found the means for Pike and the heads of his councils to communicate secretly. It was the discovery of that secret that enabled intelligence-officers to understand how apparently unrelated incidents; such as the assassination of an Austrian Prince in Serbia; took place simultaneously throughout the world, which developed into a war or a revolution. Pike's plan was as simple as it has proved effective. It called for communism, nazism, political zionism, and other international movements to be organized and used to foment three global world wars and at least two major revolutions.

"The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to destroy Czarism in Russia, as vowed by Rothschild after the Czar had torpedoed his scheme at the Congress in Vienna, and to transform Russia into a stronghold of atheistic-communism. The differences stirred up by agents of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war would be ended; communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions.

"World War II, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the controversies between Fascists and political zionists, and here let it be noted that Hitler was financed by Krupp, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, and other internationalist bankers and that the slaughter of the supposed 6,000,000 Jews by Hitler didn't bother the Jewish internationalist bankers at all. That slaughter was necessary in order to create worldwide-hatred of the German people and thus bring about war against them. In short; this second world war was to be fought to destroy nazism and increase the power of political Zionism so that the state of Israel could be established in Palestine.

"During this World War II; international communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. When it reached that point; it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social-cataclysm. As we know now; Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin put that exact policy into effect and Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and George Bush continued that same exact policy.

"World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically.

"Now can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue now going on in the near Middle and Far-East is designed to accomplish that satanic objective? Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini on August 15, 1871. Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said:

"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social-cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute-atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world-minority of the world-revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal-manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time." [LINK]
 

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Whether this conflict is caused by the Illuminati, or just the clash of world views the outcome may be the same...

2 Thessalonians 2

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and byour gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

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http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

Besides, I've read Pike's book. He didn't come off as diabolical to me, but rather, enlightened and tolerant to some degree. But it's untrue that Freemasonry has a basis in antiquity. Freemasonry also sees Judaism and the Essenes sect as connected to Pythagoras, which is absurd.
So what was the point, exactly? That they've been working on covering their tracks and trying to debunk it, since being exposed?

Because, as you may or may not know, the Protocols of Zion have also been "claimed", by the people who control the mainstream media (as well as politics and organised-religion) to have been "debunked" as being a "forgery". Yet, strangely enough, that has not changed the fact that what is contained within the Protocols of Zion has still been playing out on the world stage nonetheless, and with an amazing degree of accuracy at that.

supposedly "debunked" as being a "forgery" (a very interesting choice of words indeed, if we look at the definition of the word in a dictionary):

forgery
1: a copy that is represented as the original [syn: {immitation}, {counterfeit}]

Link to: [The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion]
 

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So what was the point, exactly? That they've been working on covering their tracks and trying to debunk it, since being exposed?

Because, as you may or may not know, the Protocols of Zion have also been "claimed", by the people who control the mainstream media (as well as politics and organised-religion) to have been "debunked" as being a "forgery". Yet, strangely enough, that has not changed the fact that what is contained within the Protocols of Zion has still been playing out on the world stage nonetheless, and with an amazing degree of accuracy at that.

supposedly "debunked" as being a "forgery" (a very interesting choice of words indeed, if we look at the definition of the word in a dictionary):

forgery
1: a copy that is represented as the original [syn: {immitation}, {counterfeit}]

Link to: [The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion]
In this battle for "truth", one person's disinformation agent is another's valuable source. Everything has been debunked or exposed. How you tell a bluff from a double bluff, or an agent from a double agent?

That's where things start to get interesting...

What is your standard for truth in a world full of lies?
 

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So what was the point, exactly? That they've been working on covering their tracks and trying to debunk it, since being exposed?
I've also read Illuminati literature (by Adam Weishaupt), even the untranslated German books. What people call Illuminati today has absolutely nothing to do with the one conceived in 1776.

You should see Jefferson's letter on Illuminism. He says if Weishaupt had been in America, he would never have had to operate through a secret society. Secret societies were necessary at that time in Germany and Weishaupt merely exploited Freemasonry for his ends, he did not subscribe to it.
 

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I've also read Illuminati literature (by Adam Weishaupt), even the untranslated German books. What people call Illuminati today has absolutely nothing to do with the one conceived in 1776.
I think it has become an umbrella term for those groups working towards the "Great Work" across diverse cultures, countries and labels. They won't be around forever (think orcs from Lord of the Rings ;-)
 

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What is your standard for truth in a world full of lies?
Relying on God and asking Him for His Guidance is the only way.

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

John 8:22 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed him, If ye continue in my Word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; 8:23 And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free. [Kofk]
 
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No the "Muslim Christian war" is not a hoax because Islam was created to persecute Christians. Just because this has been dormant for some time doesn't mean this was ever not the case. Muhammad never existed. Arabs were recruited to persecute Christians by selling them the idea that they had a superior Holy book. Anyone who could seriously ever think that book was beautiful should seriously consider looking up the definition of beautiful.

“They did not slay him, neither crucified him” (Qur'an 4:157). Would the caliph, the leader of a religious group that claimed it a blasphemy for a rival religion to regard Jesus as the Son of God, really place the crowning symbol of that rival religion on his public inscriptions? Would the leader of a religious group whose founding prophet claimed that Jesus would return at the end of the world and “break all crosses”–as an insult to himself and a testament to the transcendent majesty of Allah–really allow a cross to be featured on any inscription carved anywhere in his domains?

Would the followers of this new prophet, whose new religious and political order was defiantly at odds with that of the “cross worshippers,” have placed any figure bearing a cross on any of their coinage? Perhaps this can be interpreted as a gesture of Islam’s tolerance, given that Christians overwhelmingly populated the domains of the new Arabian Empire. Yet Islamic law as codified in the ninth and tenth centuries forbade Christians to display the cross openly–even on the outside of churches–and there is no indication that the imposition of this law was a reversal of an earlier practice. So it is exceedingly curious that Muslim conquerors of Christians would strike a coin bearing the central image of the very religion and political order they despised, defeated, and were determined to supplant.

Other coins from this period also bear the cross and the word Muhammad. A Syrian coin that dates from 686 or 687, at the earliest, features what numismatist Volker Popp describes as “the muhammad motto” on the reserve side. The obverse depicts a ruler crowned with a cross and holding another cross.



The most obvious explanation is that the “muhammad” to whom the coin refers is not the prophet of Islam. Alternatively, the figure on the coin could have evolved into the Muahmmad of Islam but was not much like him at the time the coin was issued. Or it may be that the word muhammad is not a name at all but a title, meaning the “praised one” or the “chosen one.” Popp, noting that some of these seventh-century cross-bearing coins also bear the legend bismillah–“in the name of God”–as well as muhammad, suggests that the coins are saying of the depicted ruler, “He is chosen in the name of god,” or “Let him be praised in the name of God.”

This could be a derivative of the common Christian liturgical phrase referring to the coming of Christ: “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” In that case, the muhammad, the praised or blessed one, would be Jesus himself.

Supporting this possibility is the fact that the few times the Qur'an mentions Muhammad by name, the references are not clearly to the prophet of Islam but work equally well as general exhortations to obey that which was revealed to the “praised one,” who could be someone else. Jesus is the most likely candidate, because, as we have seen, the Qur'an tells believers that “Muhammad is nothing but a messenger; messengers have passed away before him” (3:144), using language identical to that it later uses of Jesus: “the Messiah, the son of Mary, is nothing but a messenger; messengers have passed away before him” (5:75). This opens the possibility that here, as elsewhere, Jesus is the one being referred to as the “praised one,” the muhammad.

The first biographer of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, lends additional support to this possibility. Recall that in Qur'an 61:6, Jesus is depicted as prophesying the coming of a new “Messenger of God,” “whose name shall be Ahmad.” Because Ahmad–the “praised one”–is a variant of Muhammad, Islamic scholars take this passage to be a reference to the prophet of Islam. Ibn Ishaq amplifies this view in his biography of Muhammad, quoting “the Gospel,” the New Testament, where Jesus says that “when the Comforter [Munahhemana] has come who God will send to you from the Lord’s presence, and the spirit of truth which will have gone forth from the Lord’s presence, he (shall bear) witness of me and ye also, because ye have been with me from the beginning. I have spoken unto you about this that ye should not be in doubt. Ibn Ishaq then explains: "the Munahhemana (God bless and preserve him!) in Syriac is Muhammad; in Greek he is the paraclete.”

Ibn Ishaq’s English translator Alfred Guillaume notes that the word Munahhemana “in the Eastern patristic literature…is applied to our Lord Himself”–that is, not to Muhammad but to Jesus. The original bearer of the title “praised one” was Jesus, and this title and the accompanying prophecy were “skillfully manipulated to provide the reading we have” in Ibn Ishaq’s biography of Muhammad–and, for that matter, in the Qur'an itself.

Whichever of these possibilities is correct, the weakest hypothesis is that these muhammad coins refer to the prophet of the new religion as he is depicted in the Qur'an and the Hadith. For there are no contemporary references to Muhammad, the Islamic prophet who received the Qur'an and preached its message to unify Arabia (often by force) and whose followers then carried his jihad far beyond Arabia; the first clear records of the Muhammad of Islam far postdate these coins.

Spencer, Robert. Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry Into Islam’s Obscure Origins, p. 44-46. Wilmington, DE: ISI Books, 2012. Print."http://academicatheism.tumblr.com/post/64217273791/jesus-the-muhammad

Islam has only existed in the form we know because their history is told by their religion. This book demonstrating findings like this and countless others was published a couple of years ago because 9/11 brought western exposure to Islam. I don't think Islam can survive the scrutiny of the west in regard to their origins so it is only a matter of time before we are all able to realize that the Muslim Christian war always existed as a method of persecuting Christians from the earliest invasions of Palestine to the conquering the Christian communities that were growing in Arabia.

What this will inevitably do is bring judgment on those who oppressed these early people in the church and there will be a great awakening soon. I would say it will take another 20 years before the actual evidence regarding how Islam began is circulated to the point where this temporary inflation in the numbers of people claiming to be Muslim will start to decline because there is actual evidence of a cross on a coin in the 7th century and no actual evidence of Muhammad, the Quran, or Islam.

In the end, it will be easy to see the wheat and the tares because there will be no confusion about which Abrahamic religion is right or who is really being persecuted among them. There will be no more Islam to begin with.

Essentially, this will bring a solution to what you are presenting. If there is no Islam, there is no Muslim-Christian war and there is no real Islam historically. It is just one of the many fictional and corrupt accounts of the Gospel message that will eventually become no different than a discussion on the Gnostic gospels for most of us who believe in Christ.
 
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do you know what? i've lost any respect i may have had for you before. You're quoting/linking ROBERT SPENCER?
What a shambles.

What about when the roman catholic church and it's armies slaughtered the byzantine christians? what about when the french, spanish and english were regularly at war with one another? this lasted for centuries.
What about during the colonial era when christians were regularly at war but fighting through proxy armies in the colonial lands?
what about 2 world wars?
but when muslims engage in colonial expansion, it's because of Prophet Mohammad SAW?

(1) To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #48)


(1) Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)



but then it also tells us

(4) They say: "Become Jews or christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)

(3) Never will the Jews or the christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #120)

(6) From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #14)




 
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Robert Spencer is a jew who's been intent on fermenting a war between muslims and christians.
that's the whole point...
even groups like the edl are bankrolled by zionists to spread hatred against islam..and then people wonder why muslims don't like jews.

 

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@Forever Light Do you belong to roman catholic church? Also member in previous version of this forum "loyal to the crown" is that you? If not, do you belong to church or congregation? Im sorry for personal questions, but your views looks so mixed to me. Im simply curious :)
 

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No the "Muslim Christian war" is not a hoax because Christianity was created to distort Jesus's original message . Just because this has been dormant for some time doesn't mean this was ever not the case. Matthew, John, Luke, and Mark never existed. American Evangelical Christians were recruited to persecute the Middle East and other parts of the world by selling them the idea that they were doing God's work. Anyone who could seriously ever think that the NT doesn't have fabricated/interpolated verses needs to visit a shrink.
You run away from the other thread because you weren't making any sense and started sounding like a bigot to only find yourself here where I had to fix your statement for you. You hit the nail on the head with the above lol.
 

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Hi Vytas,
I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a good day,
Thank you for your message.
@Forever Light Do you belong to roman catholic church?
No. The catholic church is evil. They deceive their members and teach them to do the opposite of what Christ said.
(See :- http://jahtruth.net/darth.htm and http://jahtruth.net/rabbis.htm )
Also member in previous version of this forum "loyal to the crown" is that you?
No, that is not me. I've not been here before. This is my first and only account on this forum.
If not, do you belong to church or congregation?
I grew up within one of the protestant (nominally) christian nations. As a child, I went to church and sunday school, etc. with my body's parents on most Sundays. Later in life, I started having questions about this life that none of the churches could, or would be willing to answer. Questions like "What on earth am I doing here?" and "What is this place?" type of questions. None of the churches I ever went to, had the answers. But I still had the questions, and was looking for answers and knew within me, that I had to keep on searching. Then later, through a series of events, I was eventually led to find all of the answers that I had been looking for. So, now I don't go to church anymore, because of having been shown what church really is.
Im sorry for personal questions, but your views looks so mixed to me. Im simply curious :)
Its ok.
Thank you, that you chose to be polite.
Eventually, I became a disciple of JAH :- http://jahtruth.net/mal4.htm
I hope that this answers your questions.
Peace be with you, FL.
 
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