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Etagloc

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What do y'all think of MGTOW?

I'm not necessarily for it, nor am I against it. Sometimes the best thing is to be single. You don't want to be single but.... not just any woman should be the mother to your children. You should try to get the best mother possible for your children. Someone might say "Etagloc- you just think women are for making babies!". That's very accurate. Men and women either are supposed to be celibate or make babies. The entire point of relationships is make babies, I think. It's not about fun! It's about make babies!

Therefore when you're a man choosing a woman or a man choosing a woman I think you should picture them aa a father or a mother- your children deserve a strong, masculine father. They don't deserve a weak, spineless man who will forever be insecure because he refuses to be a man and says "well..... gender is relative" so he can feel better about not living up to his God-given role! Men need to be men. Men want to be men and women want men. I hate this unisexualization of the genders. It's a tool of making people sterile. Women need to be sterile. Last night I saw this unfortunate man. He was embarrassed because his wife was trying so hard to act like a man. Women who try to be men can never be convincing because a woman can never be a man. If you're a woman, you will never be a man. And there is nothing wrong with that! Men need to embrace their natural instincts and embrace their manhood and women need to embrace their womanhood. This is what is natural and beautiful and fertile. There is a nothing more beautiful than a woman who embraces her womanhood. Us men line up to be her man and we fight to be the first in that line. The woman who is desparate to be prove her fictitious "manhood" and then starts crying as soon as that "manhood" actually gets tested? There is nothing artificial about a man's masculinity- he is merely being his natural self. The butch woman is a mere actor, imitating an image.

People who refuse to embrace their gender are like white people who want to be black or black people who want to be white- an awkward sight for the eyes.

Your children deserve a good father. Don't pick some weak, simp dude just so you can pretend to be a man- and then bring innocent children into that unnatural relationship. On that same note, you men deserve a real woman. One who makes you salivate when you think about her and one who makes you stronger and more ready to face your daily struggles- not a selfish, unattractive woman who wants to cut you down so she can live in a delusion that will never be real. It's an ugly thing when people rebel against what is beautiful and natural.

I don't think you should give up ln women, men. And I don't think promiscuity can ever bring fulfillment. I think MGTOW is a tool and you can vent your pain all you like and retain your independence for as long as you like. Then when you meet a woman who your children deserve as a mother and who can help you build a dynasty, you can retain the game without the name.
 

Etagloc

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One thing I think people need to mention is MGTOW rhymes with cow. For real- it does.

Some people actually worship cows. I've seen some cows. They're cool animals. Remember: psychedelic mushrooms grow from their poop. Remember that.
 

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Mgtow is all about men going their own way, staying away from all women, not living by the system set in place for men and never getting married. I would say that 95% in mgtow hate all women. When I turned against feminism and became a feminist, I joined quite a few MRA, MRHA and MGTOW groups on facebook and I have to
say that mgtow is straight misogyny. I hate using that word, but no matter how much support you tried to give them and show you were anti-feminist, they didn't care and were very abusive. The hatred towards women is strong in that movement. MGTOW want nothing to do with women, however, MRA and MRHA are not accepting of the MGTOW movement and are in fact against it. A voice for men forums bans mgtow members. MGTOW is anti-woman lol not just anti-feminist. You do not want to be associated with that.
 

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Exactly. A lot of guys get burned by some women and they just go insane. If Mgtow is all about degrading women than it's simply a path further into darkness. That can't lead to a very fulfilling life, and I think guys like that really feel inadequate with themselves.
 

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Mgtow is all about men going their own way, staying away from all women, not living by the system set in place for men and never getting married. I would say that 95% in mgtow hate all women. When I turned against feminism and became a feminist, I joined quite a few MRA, MRHA and MGTOW groups on facebook and I have to
say that mgtow is straight misogyny. I hate using that word, but no matter how much support you tried to give them and show you were anti-feminist, they didn't care and were very abusive. The hatred towards women is strong in that movement. MGTOW want nothing to do with women, however, MRA and MRHA are not accepting of the MGTOW movement and are in fact against it. A voice for men forums bans mgtow members. MGTOW is anti-woman lol not just anti-feminist. You do not want to be associated with that.
As I said, I'm not really for it or against it.

I don't have the mindset of "Okay, I am going to push this or that view". I like to make open-ended threads. This thread was made so people could discuss MGTOW and say their thoughts. I'm not really here to push my own viewpoint. I have my own thoughts but I'm not really all that interested in my thoughts.

I want to be a neutral third-person in the thread. I don't really care about debating. I state my views and if people agree they agree. If not, they don't. This thread is not about what I think. It's to give other people a forum to express what they think.

I mentioned my own thoughts. I'm not MGTOW. But people are strange in that they assume just because I associate with people that I think like them. My friend is a radical Afrocentrist who is into Farrakhan and thinks white people are cave people. I also posted a Ben Shapiro video on here. I think Farrakhan is crazy and I think white people are just regular people who like to pronounce r's at the end of words and sometimes try to get me to listen to music I find strange. My friend goes on weird rants about white people sometimes and I just find it funny and I be like "come on man, not all white people".... then I roll my eyes when he gets into some of his more bizarre stuff. I'm not really for or against anyone. I just like to hear everyone because I'm curious. I have a book by Ben Shapiro- the conservative Republican- and I have a book of writings by Che Guevara. The MGTOW people say some interesting things sometimes and sometimes they say some crazy stuff. I'm not for or against them.

I mean because what is MGTOW? Mgtow is a dude being celibate. That's all it is. But then you have the Mgtow men. A lot of them are hurt and are venting. Misogyny and hating women? I actually advise against that. It's unnatural to hate women. I think people in general need to live in accordance with nature and men should love women- it's natural. But dudes being celibate? In that sense, Jesus and St. Paul were mgtow.

I'm not for or against the mgtow men. I find them interesting and I find their viewpoint interesting and a lot of what they say is true. I mean, if someone says a statement that is true about 80% of women and not true about 20% of women- then it's a useful thing and it might help you one day.

It's interesting stuff but I'm not 100% for it or 100% against it. Mysogyny? Nah, I'm not for that. But I don't think most of them are trulh misogynyst. I think they're just venting. But being celibate? Being celibate is a good thing. But I want to get married and have kids.

Anyways, I'm not here to advocate mgtow. This thread is for other people to express their views on it. I'm not really interested in endless debates. As far as my own view, I'm not really for or against it. I try to hear all sides.
 

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Venting is healthy, but at some point I think it's just taking out your problems on other people. Which I fundamentally disagree with. Because even if someone else is the cause of your problems, they aren't going to change. At least not from a verbal lashing. People have to want to change for themselves.

Personally all my relationships have failed. There hasn't been a ton, but enough to know that placing blame gets me nowhere. Not mentally or spiritually. At first I blamed women, than I blamed myself. Now I just don't think of it that way.
 

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Okay, well I stated mine already.
I agree with most of what you say in general. I don't actually think we're that different. Aside from religious views but I'm not against people who have different religious views. I do strongly oppose the eating of souls, however. They can cause heart problems if they're not cooked, right. I would advise that you bake a soul before you eat it. Fried can be unhealthy- and addictive.

In terms of mgtow people and stuff, there is a lot of mysogyny. You're right about that.

I just don't think the concept itself is inherently mysogynistic if we just mean dudes being celibate. I think celibacy is good for you. But I don't think it's cool to hate women. I made a thread on here saying I wanted to ban porn. Even a lot of feminists don't say that. And I think it should be banned. I think it's silly that you throw in a camera and prostitution becomes legal.

I don't even think feminism is inherently bad. Its essence is not bad, it's the form that makes it bad or not.
 

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I agree with most of what you say in general. I don't actually think we're that different. Aside from religious views but I'm not against people who have different religious views. I do strongly oppose the eating of souls, however. They can cause heart problems if they're not cooked, right. I would advise that you bake a soul before you eat it. Fried can be unhealthy- and addictive.

In terms of mgtow people and stuff, there is a lot of mysogyny. You're right about that.

I just don't think the concept itself is inherently mysogynistic if we just mean dudes being celibate. I think celibacy is good for you. But I don't think it's cool to hate women. I made a thread on here saying I wanted to ban porn. Even a lot of feminists don't say that. And I think it should be banned. I think it's silly that you throw in a camera and prostitution becomes legal.

I don't even think feminism is inherently bad. Its essence is not bad, it's the form that makes it bad or not.
Lmao strongly oppose the eating of souls xD you're killing me here, too funny! Lol I'm not an actual soul gatherer :p or eater. I just put that there for giggles.
 

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Venting is healthy, but at some point I think it's just taking out your problems on other people. Which I fundamentally disagree with. Because even if someone else is the cause of your problems, they aren't going to change. At least not from a verbal lashing. People have to want to change for themselves.

Personally all my relationships have failed. There hasn't been a ton, but enough to know that placing blame gets me nowhere. Not mentally or spiritually. At first I blamed women, than I blamed myself. Now I just don't think of it that way.
If venting gets people to articulate their frustrations, I think that can be good. Like "okay, man- you are frustrated with the dating scene- what precisely is it that frustrated you?" Now, if he simply calls women the b word and just is incoherent..... that's not really useful. But if he goes back and analyzes the patterns in his precious relationships- that might lead to something.

I think men and women are meant to love each other and are made for each other. It's unnatural and unhealthy for men to hate women or for women to hate men. Men and women need each other.

When I say venting, I don't mean abuse, though. Abuse is not okay. If you're with your friend and you rant about your ex girlfriend that's one thing. But to be verbally abusive towards her is not okay.

I mean, I'm also not saying I'm for or against dudes ranting/venting or whatever. Imm just saying I understand it. Whether or not I'm for it I think depends ln what form it takes. If you can discuss in a calm and sane manner what's bothering you, I see nothing wrong with that. But abuse is wrong and I despise men who abuse women.
 

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Yes I've definitely had encounters with women, where they deserved the bitch title. And I'm not saying I feel good about it, because I don't. I wish I had found something better to say at that time. But I was mad, I said what I had to say and I was done.

Doesn't matter if you are a guy or girl. If you are out there not being a gentlemen, or not being lady like. Than eventually someone is going to call you on it. And "Karma" isn't always fair, or timely.
 

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What men going their own way think of us women after 35 lol, so rude!


Thankfully I'm still 12 years younger than my husband and he says I still look like I'm in my twenties, phew no worries there! Still, these guys are brutal.
 

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I'm not for MGTOW but I can see their logic behind their movement. We live in a very gynocentric society at the moment meaning that a man, if he gets married, will statistically lose much of everything he had. This includes his salary, property, and most of all kids.

To men that adhere to MGTOW beliefs this means stay away from women but to people like myself, it means pick your long-term partner carefully, which I did. If you can make sure that she comes from a good religious (monotheistic) family, has had very little to no sexual partners before you, and most of all be a strong believer in the Most High who follows His laws like staying away from alcohol, gambling, and etc. you'll be in a happy marriage generally speaking.
 

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MGTOW appears a natural reaction to attempts by feminists working to replace the current value system and natural gender roles with Cultural Marxist ideology. With feminism inculcated into every institution (especially in the USA) it was only a matter of time before men would begin protesting the unnatural and destructive power of role reversal and misandry. While MGTOW is a little extreme, the sentiment is alive and strong as feminists' demoralization of themselves and men continues.

Without the existence of institutions such as MGTOW, feminism will continue to demoralize the USA (and the world).

Check out www.returnofkings.com for information and opinion for wise men interested in combating the destructiveness of feminism.

I will leave you with a quote from ex-KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov describing the current state of the USA (keep in mind, feminist ideology is a large part of the demoralization process):

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already. For the last twenty-five years, actually it’s over-fulfilled because the demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards.
 

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I hadn't even heard of the term MGTOW until recently and I'm not sure exactly what it entails (which is probably also different depending on whom one asks). I sympathize with 'being against the status quo' on the whole, though. I think modern society is in so many ways absolutely awful and I'm starting to come to terms with the full extent of just how plain wrong everything about it is.

Let's see, we have:

- Military, with huge budget and wars of aggression (and 'Murican freedom)
- Insanely polarized distribution of wealth and power ("the one percent")
- Politics and the UN is like something out of kindergarten or schoolyard bullying - that's literally the level it's on, only with weapons on mass destruction instead of fisticuffs
- Indoctrinating school system teaching history and things that are likely outright lies, such as the holocaust
- NWO, with all that entails. Chemical skies that people think are just contrails even though it's been admitted there is geoengineering
- Monopolies, cartels, ruthless capitalism and competition, greed, slave sweat shop workers, commercialization of everything
- People chasing fortune and fame and stuff that absolutely doesn't matter (then posting about it on Facebook for the world and CIA to see)
- When people finally break down from the above with stress, depression or anxiety from all of the above we give them pharmaceuticals that literally shut down brain functions instead of understanding why these breakdowns happen in the first place

Everything is fake, phony and a lie. People step on those they perceive as being below them, there is no love or respect for the next man. Nobody thinks about why we're here or what this is all about, many are even atheists which, if anything, belongs in the DSM. Lying, dumbed-down mass media and mind-bogglingly inane [and mind controlled] 'celebrites' being idolized in media and public consciousness.

The whole world is literally insane. It's no wonder so many people break down in it (which is a desirable NWO goal, I imagine). Life and the Earth are good, though. ;)

Maybe instead of being feminists (femi-nazis) women should become WGTOW.



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