polymoog
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there is no such thing as hate speech. there is only speech which can be construed as hateful or not. my right to free speech does not end where your feelings begin.You have a legal right to be an asshole. But again, if you're an asshole there's going to be consequences. You could lose your job, friends, etc. The law doesn't protect you from any of that. It simply gives you protection from the government throwing you in jail.
And we don't have hate speech laws because people don't want people to be assholes. We have hate speech laws because people are assholes. In some countries, such as England, those hate speech laws are poorly enforced... But they don't exist because of people like me who just think people should be excellent to each other - they exist because they believe they have some moral right to call people all sorts of slurs.
and who decides whether it was deliberate or not? being fined for using the wrong words is outrageous.It's exactly what I'm talking about. I don't like hate speech laws, but you have to be a real piece of work to fall victim to them most of the time. The specific law in New York, for instance, contrary to what people say about it, doesn't fine you for accidentally misgendering people. It fines you for deliberately and repeatedly misgendering people...
And if you do that, you're being an asshole that doesn't care about the feelings of other people. I might think it's dumb that you get fined because you're just going to feel like a victim instead of realizing you're a jerk, but I'm not going to feel bad for you. At all.
laws like C-16 and this new NY law force everyone to go along and legitimize the acceptance and normality of these mental disorders. the government is taking a VERY controversial topic and forcing the dissenting group to capitulate when gender dysphoria is a political concept, not a scientific concept.
any trans person who is experiencing discrimination can go through the same legal routes as everyone else.