Mass expulsion under way as Israel plans to deport 40,000 Africans

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Why not post the thread?

The thread is just stating some facts. Your hostility to facts is revealing.
If you think that Israel has no legitimacy, and that the land belongs to the Palestinians, how can you support Israel letting more non-Palestinians in?
 





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What about you, @manama? Who has the right to decide who settles in Palestine?
What a stupid question. Of course, the Palestinians have that right since it originally belonged to them before the Jews were dumped on the land thanks to the West. But since the Jews are colonizing the land and have all the weapons and money, thanks to daddy (US), they're the ones that decide but don't you worry they'll get their fair share soon enough seeing as the world is waking up their fascist and Nazi like treatment of the Palestinians.
 





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Of course, the Palestinians have that right since it originally belonged to them before the Jews were dumped on the land thanks to the West.
And yet you and others are setting their hair on fire because the illegitimate state of Israel isn't allowing even more non-Palestinians in.

Do you see how stupid the deranged hatred of Israel makes people? You've lost your damn minds.
 





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guess it must be that the ones who are opposed to the stealing of Palestinian land
Here's a command: Thou shalt not bear false witness. That means don't lie.

No one has stolen any Palestinian land. You are bearing false witness against the nation of Israel when you repeat these lies.
 





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Here's a command: Thou shalt not bear false witness. That means don't lie.

No one has stolen any Palestinian land. You are bearing false witness against the nation of Israel when you repeat these lies.
To be fair, the Palestinians were pushed off when Israel was created. That's why the Palestinians don't like Israel. But I'm NOT DEFENDING Palestine at all
 





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To be fair, the Palestinians were pushed off when Israel was created.
That's not true, or fair.

Before the creation of Israel, Jews and Arabs both lived in Palestine. All residents of Palestine were called Palestinians, and there was no people by that name. Most of the land that Israel now holds was either "crown" land, meaning it belonged to the government, or it was land that the Jews who emigrated to Palestine had purchased from the legal owners. The balance of the land they possess is land they won in conflicts they did not start, and that includes areas like Gaza, East Jerusalem, the Golan, etc. A tiny fraction of land was taken from Palestinian owners for security reasons, but don't mistake that for a wholesale eviction. No mass expulsion of Palestinians from land that is now part of Israel ever happened.

When Israel became a nation, they offered all Arabs living within the borders full Israeli citizenship, and that's why 20 percent of Israel today is made up of so-called Palestinians. Palestinians who became refugees are the ones who either fought against Israel during the war of independence, or became displaced when the land they were living on (not land they owned, mind you) became Israeli crown land.

The myth that a bunch of European Jews showed up in Palestine one day and kicked everyone out so they could have a place of their own is just that, a myth. No one even tried pretending all the land belonged to the Palestinians until the late 1960's, and it's amazing that the lie has become so ingrained that no one questions it anymore.
 





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And here, just because I know someone is going to post this stupid, lying map.



This map is a lie.

The first panel of the traditional version of this map has the biggest lie:



While I presume that the white sections are indeed the land that was privately owned by Jews, the land in green was not privately owned by Arabs.

Only a tiny percentage of land in Palestine was privately owned. The various categories of land ownership included:
  • Mulk: privately owned in the Western sense.
  • Miri: Land owned by the government (originally the Ottoman crown) and suitable for agricultural use. Individuals could purchase a deed to cultivate this land and pay a tithe to the government. Ownership could be transferred only with the approval of the state. Miri rights could be transferred to heirs, and the land could be sub-let to tenants. If the owner died without an heir or the land was not cultivated for three years, the land would revert to the state.
  • Mahlul: Uncultivated Miri lands that would revert to the state, in theory after three years.
  • Mawat (or Mewat): So-called “dead”, unreclaimed land. It constituted about 50 to 60% of the land in Palestine. It belonged to the government. ...If the land had been cultivated with permission, it would be registered, at least under the Mandate, free of charge.
By the early 1940s Jews owned about one third of Mulk land in Palestine and Arabs about two-thirds. The vast majority of the total land, however, belonged to the government, meaning that when the state of Israel was established, it became legally Israel's. (I believe that about 77% of the land was owned by the government, assuming 6 million dunams of private land as shown in this invaluable webpage on the topic from which I got much of this information.)

To say that the green areas were "Palestinian" land is simply a lie.

In the case of this version of the map, the lie is even worse, as the implication is that pre-1948 Palestine was an entirely Arab country with no Jews and no Jewish land ownership. Of course, before 1948 the word "Palestinian" more often than not referred to Palestinian Jews, not Palestinian Arabs. For example, the Palestine exhibit at the 1939 World's Fair was entirely Jewish, the Palestine Orchestra was entirely Jewish, the Palestine soccer team was almost entirely Jewish, and so forth.

Now the next one:




While this is a somewhat accurate representation of the partition plan (with the notable exception of Jerusalem, which was meant to be an international city,), it has nothing to do with land ownership. The entire purpose of this map is to make it appear that Israel has been grabbing Arab land consistently, to serve as a bridge between maps 1 and 3. What is not said, of course, is that Israel accepted the partition and the Arabs did not, so as a result Israel in 1949 looked like it does in map 3.

Map 3 is still a lie, however, because in no way was the green land "Palestinian" at that time. Gaza was administered by Egypt and the West Bank annexed by Jordan. No one at the time spoke about a Palestinian Arab state on the areas controlled by Arab states - only in Israel.

In other words, this progression of maps is a series of lies meant to push a bigger lie, and it is tragic that a lot of people believe them to be the truth.

Here is a small attempt on my side to show a more accurate picture of Israel's giving land it controlled up for peace since 1967:



This map shows that Israel gave up control of the Sinai, Gaza, Southern Lebanon and much of the West Bank over the years. Rather than falsely accusing Israel as a land-grabbing rogue state, it accurately shows Israel as perhaps the only state in history that has voluntarily given up more than two-thirds of the areas it controls in exchange for nothing more than a paper agreement - or sometimes not even that. All at the risk of serious security concerns for her people, no less.

This is all because Israel wants, desperately, to live in real peace with her neighbors. This desire is not reciprocated by those neighbors, unfortunately.

The real map shows the truth of Israel's incredible concessions in the often vain hope for peace.
 





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To be fair, the Palestinians were pushed off when Israel was created. That's why the Palestinians don't like Israel. But I'm NOT DEFENDING Palestine at all
So you're aware that the Palestinians had their land stolen from them yet you still don't side with them?
 





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No mass expulsion of Palestinians from land that is now part of Israel ever happened.
1948 Palestinian exodus

The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, al-Nakbah, literally "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm"),[1] occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Palestine war.[2] Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were sacked during the war, while urban Palestine was almost entirely extinguished.[3] The term "nakba" also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians from December 1947 to January 1949.
The precise number of refugees, many of whom settled in refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute[4] but around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (50 percent of the Arab total of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[5][6] Approximately 250,000-300,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled prior to the Israeli Declaration of Independence in May 1948; a fact which was named as a casus belli for the entry of the Arab League into the country, sparking the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement between historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, and fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[7]:239–240 which caused many to leave out of panic; direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities; the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes;[8] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders.[9][10] and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control.[11][dubiousdiscuss][12]
Later, a series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[13][14] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing,[15][16][17] while others dispute this charge.[18][19][20]
The status of the refugees, and in particular whether Israel will grant them their claimed right to return to their homes or be compensated, are key issues in the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The events of 1948 are commemorated by Palestinians both in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere on 15 May, a date now known as Nakba Day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

so you're just gonna claim all that is fiction? didn't happen?
 





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1948 Palestinian exodus

The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, al-Nakbah, literally "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm"),[1] occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Palestine war.[2] Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were sacked during the war, while urban Palestine was almost entirely extinguished.[3] The term "nakba" also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians from December 1947 to January 1949.
The precise number of refugees, many of whom settled in refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute[4] but around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (50 percent of the Arab total of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[5][6] Approximately 250,000-300,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled prior to the Israeli Declaration of Independence in May 1948; a fact which was named as a casus belli for the entry of the Arab League into the country, sparking the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement between historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, and fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[7]:239–240 which caused many to leave out of panic; direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities; the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes;[8] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders.[9][10] and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control.[11][dubiousdiscuss][12]
Later, a series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[13][14] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing,[15][16][17] while others dispute this charge.[18][19][20]
The status of the refugees, and in particular whether Israel will grant them their claimed right to return to their homes or be compensated, are key issues in the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The events of 1948 are commemorated by Palestinians both in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere on 15 May, a date now known as Nakba Day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

so you're just gonna claim all that is fiction? didn't happen?
Wikipedia is not a source, and even when you read that article, you can see how the terms used cover up the facts. The long and short of that piece is that an undetermined number of Arabs left land that may or may not have been theirs, for reasons that are disputed, during a war they started. Not an open and shut case by any standard except yours, I guess.
 





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There can never be a solution to this problem as long as both sides cling to their insane beliefs
It's proof everyday of the corrosive effects of the monotheistic religions.