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Don't believe the hype, mecca. America has done nothing but try and institutionalize fair treatment and equality for blacks under it's legal and welfare systems. If blacks choose to focus on the racist actions of a minority of jerks instead of taking the opportunities that are available to them, they have no one to blame but themselves and those in their own community who promote the idea that the deck is eternally, systematically stacked against black people.

What legislation, constitutional amendments, executive orders and specially created bureaucratic departments do you feel are missing in the US today? What would you add to the following list? By the way, I have not included the court decisions in the US made on behalf of blacks because it took the character count of the post too high.

Bills signed into law
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Executive Orders and Proclamations
Federal bureaucracy
You're missing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Drug_Abuse_Prevention_and_Control_Act_of_1970, which Nixon crony Ehrlichman admitted was a war on black people, that continues to this day. It's not a war on drugs it's a war on blacks.
 

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And you steadfastly miss the point, focusing on a few missteps in American policy, while ignoring the overwhelming actions taken FOR black people.
 
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So America is racist against everyone but Asians now? When did that change, and what were the circumstances?
Do we really have to go over the historical treatments that asians received compared to what blacks received? Or can we simple cut to the chase and agree that America has treated blacks way differently than other minorities sans (MAYBE) the Natives?
 
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Maybe a better question would be, how is it that after almost 60 years of affirmative action and equal rights legislation in the US, the black community is measurably worse off than they were in 1960?
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Legislation doesnt remove hate from people's hearts Thunder....

Maybe you should look up the black panther party and cointelpro's involvement in its dismantling before suggesting blacks do what they've already done, in trying to do things for themselves. At that time, it didnt seem like the powers that be wanted that to happen.
 

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Racism is fueled by ignorance no matter how you look at it. The media is putting racism at the forefront of the news all the time in order to make the masses think it's worse than it is. When I watch the NBA, I do not automatically think they are racist because the majority are black. I'll chalk it up to skill, enjoy watching it, and move on with my life. When I heard that no black people were nominated for an Academy award, I chalk it up to skill and moved on with my life. Now, whether or not there was actual racism in play in either of these organizations is debatable. My point is that some of these situations and events are most likely manufactured by TPTB in order to create problems, and fan a small flame into a bonfire. I watched a video clip of Morgan Freeman stating that, black history month is ridiculous and in order to get rid of racism we need to stop talking about it. I agree. Now I know I started the thread but my intent was to gain perspective and see if anyone else thought there was more to the story than meets the eye. I personally felt like they might be playing the "race" card again to get more attention in the news and fuel more contention. I believe racism is part of the elites agenda.

Racism does exist in some individuals. You can never get rid of that. But I am not racist or ignorant because I choose not to believe everything I see in the media regarding racism. How about you stop TRYING to see racism everywhere you go and maybe you'll start to see how the average person you run into is actually... not racist.

Edit: I feel like I needed to add this the more I thought about it. This is just my perspective based on where I live and where I've traveled. I do not like, nor do I hardly ever go to really big cities like New York or LA (I do not like traffic or getting lost). I cannot say that I have deep opinion of those situations. But I will say that no matter where you go, you'll find less racist people if you smile and treat people good regardless.
 
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How about you stop TRYING to see racism everywhere you go and maybe you'll start to see how the average person you run into is actually... not racist.
Amen.

Somewhere along the line progressives started applying the racist label to any idea they don't agree with, or any group of people who want something different than the identity politics the left is offering. We have now arrived at a point where everything is described as racist, to the point where the word has lost all meaning.

Now the American people who were pleased to be able to vote for a black president, who supported special programs to help the black community and sincerely wished for an end to actual racism, just rolled their eyes and voted Trump. The racism drum has been beaten to shreds and white people who wanted to join the conversation have been told to shut up and sit down because they are white and therefore have nothing to contribute.
 

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black history month is ridiculous and in order to get rid of racism we need to stop talking about it
Black history month was created because no one ever talked about black people's contributions to society and history. Schools taught that white people did everything. It's not necessarily ridiculous because it is a time to acknowledge aspects of history that were purposefully hidden and also to celebrate the culture of black people. Also I don't get how not talking about racism will solve the problems with racism. Isn't talking about/bringing awareness to problems the only way we will be able to solve them?
 
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The problem is that Black history month exists because they were not telling "black history" along with white history. And they still arent, which is why most people assume that the Egyptians, and simply going by locale, the ancient Jews were not a darker skinned group of people. Its why fewer people know about the moors who used to run Europe. Not like they teach that during black history month, but in theory, thats what it was for. Getting rid of the month, will not put a dent into racism just as ignoring it/not talking about it, even not looking for it, will not make it go away. Its there like a sore thumb on America's hand. And it will be there, till America falls. Which by the day, it seems like we're getting closer and closer to.

Legislation doesnt remove hate from people's heart just as voting for a black person doesnt mean a person isnt racist. From at least the 1600's to the 1960's America was openly racist. And all that went away because of a few votes, pieces of paper with "legislation" on it, and a "black" president was in office. That long history of embedded hate can only be removed by God, and I think thats why we're seeing America's economy/way of life crash right before our eyes....
 

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The problem is that Black history month exists because they were not telling "black history" along with white history. And they still arent, which is why most people assume that the Egyptians, and simply going by locale, the ancient Jews were not a darker skinned group of people. Its why fewer people know about the moors who used to run Europe. Not like they teach that during black history month, but in theory, thats what it was for. Getting rid of the month, will not put a dent into racism just as ignoring it/not talking about it, even not looking for it, will not make it go away. Its there like a sore thumb on America's hand. And it will be there, till America falls. Which by the day, it seems like we're getting closer and closer to.

Legislation doesnt remove hate from people's heart just as voting for a black person doesnt mean a person isnt racist. From at least the 1600's to the 1960's America was openly racist. And all that went away because of a few votes, pieces of paper with "legislation" on it, and a "black" president was in office. That long history of embedded hate can only be removed by God, and I think thats why we're seeing America's economy/way of life crash right before our eyes....
Exactly.
 

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Black history month was created because no one ever talked about black people's contributions to society and history. Schools taught that white people did everything. It's not necessarily ridiculous because it is a time to acknowledge aspects of history that were purposefully hidden and also to celebrate the culture of black people. Also I don't get how not talking about racism will solve the problems with racism. Isn't talking about/bringing awareness to problems the only way we will be able to solve them?
Yes, talking about problems helps, but harping on things harms.
 

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Also, it could be said that it's really just socio-economic, you can present someone differently and they will be perceived differently. But if must be racism, when I was at tractor supply and saw a black man with a Confederate flag on his hat- well, he must be racist too.
 

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it could mean different things to different people, or he could be racist
It was more tongue in cheek about the media railing against anything Confederate. Of course it means different things to different people. That man probably viewed it as states rights, as I do.
 

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Legislation doesnt remove hate from people's heart just as voting for a black person doesnt mean a person isnt racist.
What kind of racism are we talking about here? I would say that if someone's racism is so mild that they would still vote for a black person, then their racism is so inconsequential it's not worth talking about. Everyone is racist to a certain degree, but it seems like everyone gets away with it except for white people, whose every thought and action is deemed racist and cause for a national truth and reconciliation hearing.

From at least the 1600's to the 1960's America was openly racist. And all that went away because of a few votes, pieces of paper with "legislation" on it, and a "black" president was in office.
From at least the 1600's to 1776, America wasn't even a country. Maybe learn some basic history before anything else.

Yes, there are racists in the US, and the history of America has many dark chapters in it, but you can't deny that every effort has been made to legislate and enforce racial equality. America has, of it's own volition, taken concrete steps to ensure fair treatment and equal opportunities for all races. Just because there are still racists in America doesn't mean that all these programs have been for show.
 
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What kind of racism are we talking about here? I would say that if someone's racism is so mild that they would still vote for a black person, then their racism is so inconsequential it's not worth talking about. Everyone is racist to a certain degree, but it seems like everyone gets away with it except for white people, whose every thought and action is deemed racist and cause for a national truth and reconciliation hearing.
One I find it odd that you even believe the people "vote" and "select" the president of their choosing. You'd think being on this website would cast that fictitious belief out the window, but I believe I went over this with you before to no avail... Thats first off. Secondly, there can be a VARIETY of reasons as to why someone makes a vote. There were people who only voted for Trump because they distrusted/hated Hillary. That doesnt mean they are fond of Trump, it just means that they didnt like the other choice they were given. Then there are those who no matter the candidate and their position, who vote along party lines. Then there are those who follow who's winning per the media. Someone can vote along any of these lines and still hold prejudiced, unfounded views of another race.

And I know Americans use it interchangeably, but everyone is PREJUDICED. When people say there is systematic racism, they are saying there is a plot to hold down black people at the bottom of society. Which by looking at the last 400 years almost, is really undeniable. If I walk into a place full of guys with white robes/hoods, my PREJUDICED view will cause me to walk out of said place. Thats completely different from not hiring someone,not giving someone a loan, not allowing someone to move to certain places all because of their skin color. That type of prejudice is more of a power issue, which is exactly what racism is.
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From at least the 1600's to 1776, America wasn't even a country. Maybe learn some basic history before anything else.
The very same nation who "founded" this country have been here since the 1600's. And they've been utilizing racism/discrimination since that time. Does writing something on a piece of paper (legislation) make all that time of hate go away in your view? Why cant you discuss this without getting your feelings involved?

Yes, there are racists in the US, and the history of America has many dark chapters in it, but you can't deny that every effort has been made to legislate and enforce racial equality. America has, of it's own volition, taken concrete steps to ensure fair treatment and equal opportunities for all races. Just because there are still racists in America doesn't mean that all these programs have been for show.

Cointelpro in itself shows that all those programs were for show. Why would the gov't institute a secret monitoring organization to watch black social groups, if they were all about equality for the black community? And mind you this is after the "success" of the civil rights movement.

I dont think every effort has been made to enforce racial equality. When I see a cop pull up on Tamir Rice and shoot him without warning or when I see Eric Garner being choked out while 8 cops watch as he repeatedly says "I cant breathe" and people STILL have an argument for supporting the police in both instances? I think my thinking is supported. At the end of the day, the last 300-400 years shows that blacks in America have been the #1 target (again sans the Natives and thats a big MAYBE) when it comes to oppression. Im just not of the opinion that that disappeared in the 60's onwards with swipes of pens used to make legislative rulings. If I dont think of you as a human, someone making a law way over in Washington is NEVER going to change that view I hold.
 

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The problem is that Black history month exists because they were not telling "black history" along with white history. And they still arent, which is why most people assume that the Egyptians, and simply going by locale, the ancient Jews were not a darker skinned group of people. Its why fewer people know about the moors who used to run Europe. Not like they teach that during black history month, but in theory, thats what it was for. Getting rid of the month, will not put a dent into racism just as ignoring it/not talking about it, even not looking for it, will not make it go away. Its there like a sore thumb on America's hand. And it will be there, till America falls. Which by the day, it seems like we're getting closer and closer to.

Legislation doesnt remove hate from people's heart just as voting for a black person doesnt mean a person isnt racist. From at least the 1600's to the 1960's America was openly racist. And all that went away because of a few votes, pieces of paper with "legislation" on it, and a "black" president was in office. That long history of embedded hate can only be removed by God, and I think thats why we're seeing America's economy/way of life crash right before our eyes....
I would actually disagree a little bit that legislation is all that has been done to address racism. In my history classes in the late 80's and early 90's, I learned a lot about how slavery was a negative part of history. I still remember the story of a black woman, I forget her name, but it was just amazing to me that going to school and learning to read and write was important to her. I just thought she was amazing. My teachers were very consistent in telling me that slavery was wrong and that ending slavery was a victory for every American. Most of my teachers were in college during the Civil Rights movement and supported civil rights then. However, it was par of my curriculum to learn about how civil rights benefited all Americans, not just black people. They were very objective too. They would just tell us a story or two from experiencing that time every now and then since it was before we were born.

We had kids of all races in class. We all learned together that civil rights benefited all of us. I never felt like we felt any residual racism that maybe someone's parent still held. We were just all kids. Therefore, I am skeptical of everything the media assigns as racism. I still recognize there are aspects of racism that remain. I have taken African American history in college. My college professor was very passionate about recognizing this reality. He was one of my favorite teachers. It was still one of my favorite classes. I love African American history. There is just so much strength in their history.

Therefore, I still think a lot of changes have been made and the younger generations don't hold the same views that existed in the past. So I don't think racism is to blame for everything anymore.
 
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I would actually disagree a little bit that legislation is all that has been done to address racism. In my history classes in the late 80's and early 90's, I learned a lot about how slavery was a negative part of history. I still remember the story of a black woman, I forget her name, but it was just amazing to me that going to school and learning to read and write was important to her. I just thought she was amazing. My teachers were very consistent in telling me that slavery was wrong and that ending slavery was a victory for every American. Most of my teachers were in college during the Civil Rights movement and supported civil rights then. However, it was par of my curriculum to learn about how civil rights benefited all Americans, not just black people. They were very objective too. They would just tell us a story or two from experiencing that time every now and then since it was before we were born.

We had kids of all races in class. We all learned together that civil rights benefited all of us. I never felt like we felt any residual racism that maybe someone's parent still held. We were just all kids. Therefore, I am skeptical of everything the media assigns as racism. I still recognize there are aspects of racism that remain. I have taken African American history in college. My college professor was very passionate about recognizing this reality. He was one of my favorite teachers. It was still one of my favorite classes. I love African American history. There is just so much strength in their history.

Therefore, I still think a lot of changes have been made and the younger generations don't hold the same views that existed in the past. So I don't think racism is to blame for everything anymore.
Can you elaborate on the point you're making with the class in regards to racism not going away with legislation? Im having trouble connecting your story with my opinion that legislation on a piece of paper doesnt erase the hate that is in one's heart. COINTELPRO, in my opinion, show America's determination on disrupting the uplifting of the black community. The Black Panther Party was on the way to being a self sufficient force in their Oakland community by providing FREE breakfasts, health checkups, as well as self policing their communities. Now a non-racist society that wants equality for everyone and doesnt want people asking for handouts would applaud these activities right? If your class covered them, Im sure you're aware of what actually happened.

When theres an issue, its usually two sides on one extreme or the other, with the truth somewhere in the middle. So while I definitely see blacks who will trip over a rock and blame white supremacy or steal and say the whiteman made them do it, I also see those whites who rather cover their eyes in regards to history and pretend as if it has NO effect on today and that every claim of racism is "pulling the race card". I try to stay in the middle somewhere, acknowledging the obstacles that Im up against, but taking responsibility in regards to doing my best to avoid/overcome them. Some blacks are like that, others rather play the victim the whole time. At the end of the day though, the history of America kind of explains itself. And I personally cannot believe that 400 years of continuous hate/discrimination/oppression, disappeared in the 60's and 70's with the stroke(s) of a pen in regards to legislation.
 
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