London Mosque Cancels Holocaust Exhibition After Muslim Protest

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Slowly but surely the truth is coming out........
As Jews, we reject the myth that it's antisemitic to call Israel racist

In such urgent times, it is more important than ever to distinguish between legitimate critiques of unjust Israeli policies and ‘hostility to Jews as Jews’
Excerpts:
"A worldwide coalition of Jewish groups has issued a joint statement condemning attempts to stifle criticism of Israel with false accusations of antisemitism."

"The statement, which 40 Jewish groups from 15 different countries have signed, could not have been more timely. In the UK, the Labour Party is currently under pressure to adopt the full guidelines accompanying a definition of antisemitism from the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA)."

"But genuine anti-racist principles surely lead us to criticise Israel for its many discriminatory policies, whether its segregated road network, its dual justice system, or the “Jewish nation state” bill passed on Wednesday, which entrenches ethnic inequality in law.
"Perversely labelling critics of this racism “antisemitic” also silences Palestinians who object to Israel’s historic and ongoing takeover of their land."

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ds-jewish-coalition-palestine-a8458601.html[/
 





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Slowly but surely the truth is coming out........
As Jews, we reject the myth that it's antisemitic to call Israel racist

In such urgent times, it is more important than ever to distinguish between legitimate critiques of unjust Israeli policies and ‘hostility to Jews as Jews’
Excerpts:
"A worldwide coalition of Jewish groups has issued a joint statement condemning attempts to stifle criticism of Israel with false accusations of antisemitism."

"The statement, which 40 Jewish groups from 15 different countries have signed, could not have been more timely. In the UK, the Labour Party is currently under pressure to adopt the full guidelines accompanying a definition of antisemitism from the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA)."

"But genuine anti-racist principles surely lead us to criticise Israel for its many discriminatory policies, whether its segregated road network, its dual justice system, or the “Jewish nation state” bill passed on Wednesday, which entrenches ethnic inequality in law.
"Perversely labelling critics of this racism “antisemitic” also silences Palestinians who object to Israel’s historic and ongoing takeover of their land."

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ds-jewish-coalition-palestine-a8458601.html[/
Explain how the most racist state in the world gives Arabs more rights than Jews have in Arab countries.
 





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They want to push Holocaust propaganda on the moon. I wouldn't be surprised if they put Holocaust propaganda on the back of kid's cereal boxes. The Muslims were in the right. The mosque is to serve the Muslim community.

Muslims must follow the Quran and the Sunnah. There is no reason from the Quran or the Sunnah that I'm aware of that shows any reason why our mosques should be used for more Holocaust stuff. Honestly, it would be "cuck" behavior. The Quran does say be witnesses for justice. If we're going to talk about the Holocaust in the mosque, though- I think there's like a hundred other injustices that should be discussed first. We already had a whole semester dedicated to the Holocaust when I was in school. Meanwhile, I have only the vaguest idea of what happened in Rwanda and Cambodia. Do you know what happened in Rwanda and Cambodia? Where are the space craft to take Rwandan and Cambodian stories to the moon? We had a whole semester on the Holocaust and the Rwandans didn't get a single sentence. What about the genocide in Somalia? Do people even know about the genocide that happened in Somalia? What about the suffering in Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc.

If I'm starving and your brother (by blood) is starving- who do you give food to first? Islamically, you should give food to your family member first.

The Muslims were in the right.
Yes, I do know what happened in Rwanda and Cambodia. Its pretty well documented.
 





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One thing you will notice about the professional liars of the Fake News and Fake Academia is that, when cornered, they will concede a point for strategic purposes, before following up with a quick "yeah-but" to hold up their argument. Those conceded points should never be allowed to pass for they are the basis of an effective "Judo" response. For example; imagine that an accused car thief is confronted with evidence of his past record of stealing. Forced to concede the point, the thief will say: "Yes. It is true that I stole 7 cars over the past 5 years, but to suggest that I stole this particular car is ridiculous."

We then press the thief on the fact that several witnesses just saw him driving the same color, make & model of the stolen car in question. He again concedes: "Yes. It is true that I was seen driving a vehicle fitting that exact description, but that was a rented car which coincidentally matched the description of the car that you claim I just stole."
When challenged on his ability to rent a car when he has no credit cards, the artful liar, without skipping a beat, retorts: "Yes. It is true that I have no credit cards, but that's because my cousin, who just moved to Brazil, let me use his credit card."

Now, let us review what we have just learned from our thieving friend, as carelessly confirmed from his own big mouth!
1
. He is in fact a repeat car thief.
2. He was in fact driving a vehicle fitting the description of the recently stolen car.
3. He did not possess a credit card, which would have been needed had he really rented a similar car, as claimed.

Those concessions are known as "hard data points." The rest is just fluff. Considered individually, none of those concessions will clinch the prosecution's case. But taken cumulatively, such self-admitted facts begin to paint the accused liar into a very tight corner. That's logical Judo for you. And it is precisely why Defense Lawyers advise that suspects should always remain silent when questioned by police. You know, the so-called "Miranda Rights" warning; "Anything you say can and will be used against you."
With this logical principle in mind, let us similarly corner one of one of Holohoaxianty's High Priests, Timothy Ryback, by using the accumulation of his own 2004 written concessions, as published by the oh-so-"prestigious" Wall Street Urinal, against him. This is 'gonna' be fun!



Forensic Evidence Of the Holocaust Must Be Preserved

By: Timothy Ryback


July 7, 2004



Full Wall Street Journal Article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108914879023756502


Ryback:
Last month, Jarek Mensfelt, spokesman for the Auschwitz memorial site, announced plans to preserve the ruins of the gas chambers and crematoria in the notorious death camp at Birkenau near the Polish town of Oswiecim (Auschwitz). "This is an attempt to keep it as it is now -- in ruins -- but not let the ruins go," he said. "It was meant to be here forever as a warning."

Analysis: So, Mr. Ryback, both you and Mr. Mensfelt now admit that what you claim were "gas chambers and crematoria" now lie in ruins. That means the "gas chambers and crematoria" that are still being shown to the teary-eyed tourists are Soviet-era "reconstructions" -- a fact that "Holocaust Deniers" were once attacked for claiming. Thanks for confirming that for us in the Wall Street Urinal.


Images 1 & 2 are of the Soviet-era reconstruction of the "gas chambers" ™. Image 3 depicts the ruins of the what is said to the original "gas chambers".
Ryback and the Polish curators concede that what is shown to gullible tourists are NOT the actual "gas chambers" ™.




Ryback: In the coming weeks, as the Auschwitz preservationists begin their work, they should be guided by the knowledge that these heaps of dynamited concrete and twisted steel are not only historic artifacts but among the few remnants of untainted, forensic evidence of the Holocaust.

Analysis: How exactly do these bombed-out remnants constitute "forensic evidence" of mass murdering gas chambers? Have any traces of poisonous gas been detected in the stones?

Ryback: Of course, the historical and circumstantial evidence of a premeditated Nazi plan to exterminate the Jewish population of Europe is overwhelming.

Analysis: Ah yes. The good ol' "the-evidence-is-overwhelming" rhetorical trick. Such a bold statement may sway the weak-minded, but it proves nothing. Talk is cheap, as they say. My. Ryback, could you please share with us this "overwhelming evidence" of a premeditated "Nazi" plan to exterminate the Jewish population of Europe.

Ryback: There are the watch-tower-girded enclosures of Nazi concentration camps ....

Analysis: "Watch-towers?" Well, duh! They were internment camps, after all. No one is denying the Jewish internment of World War II. What we want is evidence of a genocide campaign. Continue.

Ryback: ...and the extensive testimonials of Holocaust survivors.....

Analysis: Yes, "testimonials" which, as even some of your Jewish colleagues now openly admit, are often unreliable. Speaking of "testimonials," what do you have to say of the former Auschwitz inmates who later told of spirited soccer games and fun activities for the children? If the Germans were out to commit genocide, why were so many "survivors" allowed to live? Auschwitz alone had 9,000 survivors when the Soviets arrived there.




Yakov Tzur testimony, March 2009: "I played soccer games at Auschwitz in 1944." (YouTube here)

(Other camps had actual Jewish soccer leagues.)



Ryback: .... as well as the court protocols of Nazi war criminals,

Analysis: So-called "Nazi war criminals" were tortured and the Nuremberg Trials were a joke. Those same "court protocols" told of shrunken Jewish heads, and Jews being fashioned into lamp shades and bars of soaps -- claims which all "Holocaust schollars" now admit were false.

Ryback: .... but there is little forensic evidence proving homicidal intent.

Analysis: Hold it! What did you just say???

Ryback: ...but there is little forensic evidence proving homicidal intent.

Analysis: That's what I thought you said. Thank you! After just having talked about "overwhelming evidence," now you say "there is little forensic evidence." How can that be?

Ryback: The Nazis were scrupulous when it came to obscuring the "Final Solution" in bureaucratic euphemism and also dismantling or obliterating their machinery of death.

Analysis: Yet they left the remains of the "gas chambers" on the camp grounds along with 9,000 witnesses behind for the Soviets to interview. That doesn't sound like too "scrupulous" of a cover up now, does it?

Ryback: The dearth of hard evidence ....

Analysis: A "dearth (complete lack) of hard evidence." Dearth is a very strong word. Thank you, Timmy. Thank you, thank you and thank you!

Ryback: ... has fueled a growth industry in Holocaust-denial.

Analysis: "Holocaust Denial" --- a silly slogan used to silence debate. In other words, just because there is a "dearth of hard evidence," it is still wrong to question the Holocaust. This is known as "circular logic." It is like a prosecutor saying to a jury: "Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, do not let the 'dearth' of hard evidence influence your verdict. The only reason why there is no hard evidence is because the defendant covered his tracks so well."

Absurd, to say the least. But thanks just the same, Timmy, for conceding that hard evidence is totally lacking.





Open mouth, insert foot: "The dearth of hard evidence." Thanks,Timmy!



Ryback:The revisionists' plaint is simple: They demand a proverbial "smoking gun" to prove that the Nazis deliberately and systematically designed an industrial system of extermination.

Analysis: Well, excuuuuuse us "anti-Semites" for being so impertinent as to simply ask for evidence of this "industrial system of extermination." But thanks for admitting that there is no "smoking gun" and that you cannot prove your case.



Ryback: Auschwitz has been a particular target of Holocaust deniers -- in particular, the gas chamber in Auschwitz I, the original base camp a mile east of Birkenau. It was here that some of the first experiments with poison gas were undertaken in a converted air-raid shelter refitted with air-tight doors and special ducts for homicidal purposes. Dynamited by the Nazis in the autumn of 1944, the gas chamber was reconstructed after the war.

Analysis: Why did the "Nazis" dynamite the "gas chamber?" Did they suddenly decide to stop "gassing" people? And thanks again for conceding that the current "gas chamber" is a Soviet reconstruction -- a fake.

Ryback: As one revisionist notes: "The official view holds that the Soviets and Poles created a 'gas chamber' in an air-raid shelter that had been a 'gas chamber'. The revisionist view holds that Soviets and Poles created a 'gas chamber' in an air-raid shelter that had been an air-raid shelter." While most serious historians refuse to dignify such statements with a response, Polish administrators have taken the bait.

Analysis: Ah yes. The "No serious person" Logical Fallacy and the old "I-refuse-to-dignify-that-with-a-response" rhetorical trick. It is the sure sign of an empty case, and an empty mind, when one has to resort to such pathetic High School debating tactics.

Ryback: In response to revisionist charges, they (the Poles) tested the gas chamber walls for residual traces of cyanide gas but found none.

Analysis: They found no residual traces of cyanide gas. THANK YOU!

Ryback: Unlike the delousing chambers whose walls still show cyanide "staining,".....

Analysis: And thanks for admitting that there were "delousing chambers" at Auschwitz. In so doing, you have confirmed the fact that the Germans were trying to prevent the inmates from dying of typhus. I suppose they had to save the Jews in order to kill them?

Ryback: ..... the gas chambers betrayed no residual traces of Zyklon B.

Analysis: So, in addition to your concessions that there is a "dearth" of hard evidence, and that the gas chambers are Soviet reconstructions, you further concede that the forensic analysis shows no traces of "Zyklon B" (a pesticide-turned-into-poison) in the stone walls. Stone is like sponge, Timmy. Any poison gas would have been absorbed and preserved for posterity to analyze, as it was in the de-lousing chambers which, as you conceded, do indeed show traces of bug spray. Can you explain, or should I say, rationalize that bit of scientific reality away for us, Timmy?

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Go ahead, Timmy Two-Face. Tell us why not a single trace of deadly chemicals was found in the analysis. We just gotta hear this!

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We're still waiting, Timmy.

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Ryback: The homicidal process was so murderously brief that the cyanide never penetrated the interior surface.


"Murderously brief!" --- ROFLMFAO!!! Mass-murder gassings of millions of people were too "murderously brief" to leave a trace, but the delousing of clothes with a much smaller does of Zyklon B did leave a trace? That's a good one!



Ryback: Similarly, it was found that repeated postwar "cleaning" had leached the last traces of cyanide from the heaps of human hair, one of the most damning pieces of Holocaust evidence.

Analysis: Let me get this straight, Timmy. You're saying that the "Nazis" shaved the heads of their victims after killing them in poison-gas chambers but before finally cremating them? And that the poison-saturated hair was later shampooed by the Soviets and the chemical traces are now gone? Are you flippin' serious? What were the "Nazis" planning to do with the "heaps of human hair?" Make wigs? And why would the shaving of hair be considered a "damning piece of evidence" when it was done to prevent the spread of typhus-carrying lice. Doesn't that prove that the big bad "Nazis" were NOT out to kill their prisoners?



Ryback: In the battle against Holocaust deniers, Birkenau's extermination facilities remain important forensic evidence.

Analysis: Timmy! You're gonna give a friggin' heart-attack! What forensic evidence?! You just admitted that there are no traces of poison in neither the stones nor the hair. There you go again with that quintessentially Jewish circular reasoning. "The gas chambers existed. Although there is a "dearth" of hard evidence; that doesn't disprove anything because we already know that the gas chambers existed."



Ryback: Between 1942, when they were first put into operation, and 1944, when they were dynamited, more than a million human beings -- mostly Jewish -- were fed into these extermination plants, forced into subterranean chambers and gassed, their corpses removed and transported by mechanical conveyance to the crematoria ovens.

Analysis: More than one-million were gassed, yet you said earlier that "the cyanide never penetrated the interior surface" because the episodes were "so murderously brief." Timmy, even if the "brief" mass gassing episodes were just 10 seconds long, when multiplied 1000's of times to reach that one million number -- an average of 40,000 "gassing deaths per month", (right under the noses of Red Cross inspectors!) we're talking about many hours of poison gassing. Why no traces of this in the forensic analysis?

And Timmy, one more thing; for nearly 50 years, you and your gang told us that 4,000,000 died atAuschwitz. Then, after "Holocaust Deniers" began poking around Auschwitz, the official number was suddenly chopped down to 1,000,000. How do you account for such a drastic reduction? And if the 4,000,000 was wrong, why should we now take your word now on the "1,000,000?"





Cue the sound of crickets, please....


And furthermore, if the Auschwitz "death toll" was shaved down by 3 million, why do "youse guys" keep saying "6 million" died in all. Has 1st-grade math, like modern physics, now become "relative" too?







Ryback: The chimneys belched smoke into the air.

Analysis: Chimneys emitting smoke? Really? No friggin' way! Perhaps you were expecting little white doves to come out of the chimneys? Or maybe, soap bubbles?

Ryback: The remnant ash was scattered in the surrounding fields, or dumped in a nearby pond whose muddied bottom, even today, is of a sticky gray viscosity ...

Analysis: So, after 60 years of natural forces at work in the pond (article written in 2004), the "sticky gray viscosity" never went away; yet the cyanide traces completely disappeared from the untouched remnants of the stone walls and the "heaps of human hair." Bend that "science," Timmy, bend it hard!

Ryback:....laced with matchstick-size splinters of human bone.

Analysis: "Match-like splinters?" Seriously, Tim? Fish and geese bone splinters and the bottom of a pond, if even that. But thanks for conceding the fact that there are no actual bodies nor skeletons. No forensics, no documents, no direct eye-witnesses, no bodies. With a "prosecutor" like you, Timmy, who even needs a defense lawyer!


Ryback: The horrors of this machinery have been preserved in the classic memoirs of survivor-authors like Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi...

Analysis: The good ole "Appeal to Authority" Fallacy. If it is in a book, written by other known liars who continue to cash in on book sales and speaking fees, then it must be true, eh Timmy? Elie the Weasel was the money-grubbing clown who once wrote that Germans used to throw babies into the bonfires they had lit at Auschwitz -- just for laughs.


Ryback: But, as with any account filtered through human memory, this "evidence" is subject to challenge and rebuttal. There is no arguing with presence of the Birkenau gas chambers. Here the proof of the Holocaust is written in concrete and steel.

Analysis: "There is no arguing?" Says who, Timmy? Says you? This is the old, "Case Closed" debating trick; a variation of the "I-refuse-to-dignify-that-with-a-response" trick. You're right Timothy. There is "no arguing" with lunatics and liars. But thanks for inadvertently conceding the case by repeatedly admitting that there is no evidence.


SUMMARY OF RYBACK'S CONCESSIONS

  • Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers' shown to tourists are actually a "reconstruction"
  • Germans used delousing chambers to prevent death by typhus
  • Remains of alleged "gas chambers" tested negative for poison gas
  • Original Auschwitz death toll of "4 million" was a massive exaggeration
  • No documentary evidence of the "Holocaust"
  • No "smoking gun" evidence / "dearth of hard evidence"
  • No bodies


Keep making concessions like that and soon they'll be calling you a "Holocaust Denier" and taking your books off of Amazon -- as they did with "The Bad War," by yours truly (see ad below). Timmy, you have lost the Jewdo match. Next time; know your Miranda Rights and shut that stinking hole in your lying mouth.

Full Wall Street Journal Article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108914879023756502



ADDENDUM: OTHER JEWISH 'HOLOCAUST' CONCESSIONS

C.L. Sulzberger
The "gas chambers" claim originated in a report issued by a Soviet Committee just hours after Germany had unconditionally surrendered (and thus, could not rebut).
(here)

Deborah Lipstadt
German documents never refer to a genocide campaign and the story of Jews being used to make soap is a hoax. (here)

Simon Weisenthal
Contrary to Eisenhower's propaganda films, there was no "gas chamber" at the Dachau Concentration Camp. (here)

Elan Steinberg, Peter Novick and others
The testimony of Holocaust survivors is often unreliable. (here) (here)

The Jewish Virtual Library
The International Red Cross inspected the German POW and concentration camps and gave passing grades (but, of course, remained silent about the Jews). (here)

The New York Times
The '6 Million Dead' was proclaimed before a single camp had been liberated. (here)

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All the arguments of the deniers are systematically destroyed here.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Anyway to stay on topic @Thunderian it’s too bad this was canceled. It was good to hear about Muslims helping Jews during the Holocaust and this is the kind of thing that is needed and may have a chance to start some healing and change the trajectory of current events.
 





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One thing you will notice about the professional liars of the Fake News and Fake Academia is that, when cornered, they will concede a point for strategic purposes, before following up with a quick "yeah-but" to hold up their argument. Those conceded points should never be allowed to pass for they are the basis of an effective "Judo" response. For example; imagine that an accused car thief is confronted with evidence of his past record of stealing. Forced to concede the point, the thief will say: "Yes. It is true that I stole 7 cars over the past 5 years, but to suggest that I stole this particular car is ridiculous."

We then press the thief on the fact that several witnesses just saw him driving the same color, make & model of the stolen car in question. He again concedes: "Yes. It is true that I was seen driving a vehicle fitting that exact description, but that was a rented car which coincidentally matched the description of the car that you claim I just stole."
When challenged on his ability to rent a car when he has no credit cards, the artful liar, without skipping a beat, retorts: "Yes. It is true that I have no credit cards, but that's because my cousin, who just moved to Brazil, let me use his credit card."

Now, let us review what we have just learned from our thieving friend, as carelessly confirmed from his own big mouth!
1
. He is in fact a repeat car thief.
2. He was in fact driving a vehicle fitting the description of the recently stolen car.
3. He did not possess a credit card, which would have been needed had he really rented a similar car, as claimed.

Those concessions are known as "hard data points." The rest is just fluff. Considered individually, none of those concessions will clinch the prosecution's case. But taken cumulatively, such self-admitted facts begin to paint the accused liar into a very tight corner. That's logical Judo for you. And it is precisely why Defense Lawyers advise that suspects should always remain silent when questioned by police. You know, the so-called "Miranda Rights" warning; "Anything you say can and will be used against you."
With this logical principle in mind, let us similarly corner one of one of Holohoaxianty's High Priests, Timothy Ryback, by using the accumulation of his own 2004 written concessions, as published by the oh-so-"prestigious" Wall Street Urinal, against him. This is 'gonna' be fun!



Forensic Evidence Of the Holocaust Must Be Preserved

By: Timothy Ryback


July 7, 2004



Full Wall Street Journal Article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108914879023756502


Ryback:
Last month, Jarek Mensfelt, spokesman for the Auschwitz memorial site, announced plans to preserve the ruins of the gas chambers and crematoria in the notorious death camp at Birkenau near the Polish town of Oswiecim (Auschwitz). "This is an attempt to keep it as it is now -- in ruins -- but not let the ruins go," he said. "It was meant to be here forever as a warning."

Analysis: So, Mr. Ryback, both you and Mr. Mensfelt now admit that what you claim were "gas chambers and crematoria" now lie in ruins. That means the "gas chambers and crematoria" that are still being shown to the teary-eyed tourists are Soviet-era "reconstructions" -- a fact that "Holocaust Deniers" were once attacked for claiming. Thanks for confirming that for us in the Wall Street Urinal.


Images 1 & 2 are of the Soviet-era reconstruction of the "gas chambers" ™. Image 3 depicts the ruins of the what is said to the original "gas chambers".

Ryback and the Polish curators concede that what is shown to gullible tourists are NOT the actual "gas chambers" ™.




Ryback: In the coming weeks, as the Auschwitz preservationists begin their work, they should be guided by the knowledge that these heaps of dynamited concrete and twisted steel are not only historic artifacts but among the few remnants of untainted, forensic evidence of the Holocaust.

Analysis: How exactly do these bombed-out remnants constitute "forensic evidence" of mass murdering gas chambers? Have any traces of poisonous gas been detected in the stones?

Ryback: Of course, the historical and circumstantial evidence of a premeditated Nazi plan to exterminate the Jewish population of Europe is overwhelming.

Analysis: Ah yes. The good ol' "the-evidence-is-overwhelming" rhetorical trick. Such a bold statement may sway the weak-minded, but it proves nothing. Talk is cheap, as they say. My. Ryback, could you please share with us this "overwhelming evidence" of a premeditated "Nazi" plan to exterminate the Jewish population of Europe.

Ryback: There are the watch-tower-girded enclosures of Nazi concentration camps ....

Analysis: "Watch-towers?" Well, duh! They were internment camps, after all. No one is denying the Jewish internment of World War II. What we want is evidence of a genocide campaign. Continue.

Ryback: ...and the extensive testimonials of Holocaust survivors.....

Analysis: Yes, "testimonials" which, as even some of your Jewish colleagues now openly admit, are often unreliable. Speaking of "testimonials," what do you have to say of the former Auschwitz inmates who later told of spirited soccer games and fun activities for the children? If the Germans were out to commit genocide, why were so many "survivors" allowed to live? Auschwitz alone had 9,000 survivors when the Soviets arrived there.




Yakov Tzur testimony, March 2009: "I played soccer games at Auschwitz in 1944." (YouTube here)

(Other camps had actual Jewish soccer leagues.)



Ryback: .... as well as the court protocols of Nazi war criminals,

Analysis: So-called "Nazi war criminals" were tortured and the Nuremberg Trials were a joke. Those same "court protocols" told of shrunken Jewish heads, and Jews being fashioned into lamp shades and bars of soaps -- claims which all "Holocaust schollars" now admit were false.

Ryback: .... but there is little forensic evidence proving homicidal intent.

Analysis: Hold it! What did you just say???

Ryback: ...but there is little forensic evidence proving homicidal intent.

Analysis: That's what I thought you said. Thank you! After just having talked about "overwhelming evidence," now you say "there is little forensic evidence." How can that be?

Ryback: The Nazis were scrupulous when it came to obscuring the "Final Solution" in bureaucratic euphemism and also dismantling or obliterating their machinery of death.

Analysis: Yet they left the remains of the "gas chambers" on the camp grounds along with 9,000 witnesses behind for the Soviets to interview. That doesn't sound like too "scrupulous" of a cover up now, does it?

Ryback: The dearth of hard evidence ....

Analysis: A "dearth (complete lack) of hard evidence." Dearth is a very strong word. Thank you, Timmy. Thank you, thank you and thank you!

Ryback: ... has fueled a growth industry in Holocaust-denial.

Analysis: "Holocaust Denial" --- a silly slogan used to silence debate. In other words, just because there is a "dearth of hard evidence," it is still wrong to question the Holocaust. This is known as "circular logic." It is like a prosecutor saying to a jury: "Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, do not let the 'dearth' of hard evidence influence your verdict. The only reason why there is no hard evidence is because the defendant covered his tracks so well."

Absurd, to say the least. But thanks just the same, Timmy, for conceding that hard evidence is totally lacking.





Open mouth, insert foot: "The dearth of hard evidence." Thanks,Timmy!



Ryback:The revisionists' plaint is simple: They demand a proverbial "smoking gun" to prove that the Nazis deliberately and systematically designed an industrial system of extermination.

Analysis: Well, excuuuuuse us "anti-Semites" for being so impertinent as to simply ask for evidence of this "industrial system of extermination." But thanks for admitting that there is no "smoking gun" and that you cannot prove your case.



Ryback: Auschwitz has been a particular target of Holocaust deniers -- in particular, the gas chamber in Auschwitz I, the original base camp a mile east of Birkenau. It was here that some of the first experiments with poison gas were undertaken in a converted air-raid shelter refitted with air-tight doors and special ducts for homicidal purposes. Dynamited by the Nazis in the autumn of 1944, the gas chamber was reconstructed after the war.

Analysis: Why did the "Nazis" dynamite the "gas chamber?" Did they suddenly decide to stop "gassing" people? And thanks again for conceding that the current "gas chamber" is a Soviet reconstruction -- a fake.

Ryback: As one revisionist notes: "The official view holds that the Soviets and Poles created a 'gas chamber' in an air-raid shelter that had been a 'gas chamber'. The revisionist view holds that Soviets and Poles created a 'gas chamber' in an air-raid shelter that had been an air-raid shelter." While most serious historians refuse to dignify such statements with a response, Polish administrators have taken the bait.

Analysis: Ah yes. The "No serious person" Logical Fallacy and the old "I-refuse-to-dignify-that-with-a-response" rhetorical trick. It is the sure sign of an empty case, and an empty mind, when one has to resort to such pathetic High School debating tactics.

Ryback: In response to revisionist charges, they (the Poles) tested the gas chamber walls for residual traces of cyanide gas but found none.

Analysis: They found no residual traces of cyanide gas. THANK YOU!

Ryback: Unlike the delousing chambers whose walls still show cyanide "staining,".....

Analysis: And thanks for admitting that there were "delousing chambers" at Auschwitz. In so doing, you have confirmed the fact that the Germans were trying to prevent the inmates from dying of typhus. I suppose they had to save the Jews in order to kill them?

Ryback: ..... the gas chambers betrayed no residual traces of Zyklon B.

Analysis: So, in addition to your concessions that there is a "dearth" of hard evidence, and that the gas chambers are Soviet reconstructions, you further concede that the forensic analysis shows no traces of "Zyklon B" (a pesticide-turned-into-poison) in the stone walls. Stone is like sponge, Timmy. Any poison gas would have been absorbed and preserved for posterity to analyze, as it was in the de-lousing chambers which, as you conceded, do indeed show traces of bug spray. Can you explain, or should I say, rationalize that bit of scientific reality away for us, Timmy?

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Go ahead, Timmy Two-Face. Tell us why not a single trace of deadly chemicals was found in the analysis. We just gotta hear this!

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We're still waiting, Timmy.

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Ryback: The homicidal process was so murderously brief that the cyanide never penetrated the interior surface.


"Murderously brief!" --- ROFLMFAO!!! Mass-murder gassings of millions of people were too "murderously brief" to leave a trace, but the delousing of clothes with a much smaller does of Zyklon B did leave a trace? That's a good one!



Ryback: Similarly, it was found that repeated postwar "cleaning" had leached the last traces of cyanide from the heaps of human hair, one of the most damning pieces of Holocaust evidence.

Analysis: Let me get this straight, Timmy. You're saying that the "Nazis" shaved the heads of their victims after killing them in poison-gas chambers but before finally cremating them? And that the poison-saturated hair was later shampooed by the Soviets and the chemical traces are now gone? Are you flippin' serious? What were the "Nazis" planning to do with the "heaps of human hair?" Make wigs? And why would the shaving of hair be considered a "damning piece of evidence" when it was done to prevent the spread of typhus-carrying lice. Doesn't that prove that the big bad "Nazis" were NOT out to kill their prisoners?



Ryback: In the battle against Holocaust deniers, Birkenau's extermination facilities remain important forensic evidence.

Analysis: Timmy! You're gonna give a friggin' heart-attack! What forensic evidence?! You just admitted that there are no traces of poison in neither the stones nor the hair. There you go again with that quintessentially Jewish circular reasoning. "The gas chambers existed. Although there is a "dearth" of hard evidence; that doesn't disprove anything because we already know that the gas chambers existed."



Ryback: Between 1942, when they were first put into operation, and 1944, when they were dynamited, more than a million human beings -- mostly Jewish -- were fed into these extermination plants, forced into subterranean chambers and gassed, their corpses removed and transported by mechanical conveyance to the crematoria ovens.

Analysis: More than one-million were gassed, yet you said earlier that "the cyanide never penetrated the interior surface" because the episodes were "so murderously brief." Timmy, even if the "brief" mass gassing episodes were just 10 seconds long, when multiplied 1000's of times to reach that one million number -- an average of 40,000 "gassing deaths per month", (right under the noses of Red Cross inspectors!) we're talking about many hours of poison gassing. Why no traces of this in the forensic analysis?

And Timmy, one more thing; for nearly 50 years, you and your gang told us that 4,000,000 died atAuschwitz. Then, after "Holocaust Deniers" began poking around Auschwitz, the official number was suddenly chopped down to 1,000,000. How do you account for such a drastic reduction? And if the 4,000,000 was wrong, why should we now take your word now on the "1,000,000?"





Cue the sound of crickets, please....


And furthermore, if the Auschwitz "death toll" was shaved down by 3 million, why do "youse guys" keep saying "6 million" died in all. Has 1st-grade math, like modern physics, now become "relative" too?







Ryback: The chimneys belched smoke into the air.

Analysis: Chimneys emitting smoke? Really? No friggin' way! Perhaps you were expecting little white doves to come out of the chimneys? Or maybe, soap bubbles?

Ryback: The remnant ash was scattered in the surrounding fields, or dumped in a nearby pond whose muddied bottom, even today, is of a sticky gray viscosity ...

Analysis: So, after 60 years of natural forces at work in the pond (article written in 2004), the "sticky gray viscosity" never went away; yet the cyanide traces completely disappeared from the untouched remnants of the stone walls and the "heaps of human hair." Bend that "science," Timmy, bend it hard!

Ryback:....laced with matchstick-size splinters of human bone.

Analysis: "Match-like splinters?" Seriously, Tim? Fish and geese bone splinters and the bottom of a pond, if even that. But thanks for conceding the fact that there are no actual bodies nor skeletons. No forensics, no documents, no direct eye-witnesses, no bodies. With a "prosecutor" like you, Timmy, who even needs a defense lawyer!


Ryback: The horrors of this machinery have been preserved in the classic memoirs of survivor-authors like Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi...

Analysis: The good ole "Appeal to Authority" Fallacy. If it is in a book, written by other known liars who continue to cash in on book sales and speaking fees, then it must be true, eh Timmy? Elie the Weasel was the money-grubbing clown who once wrote that Germans used to throw babies into the bonfires they had lit at Auschwitz -- just for laughs.


Ryback: But, as with any account filtered through human memory, this "evidence" is subject to challenge and rebuttal. There is no arguing with presence of the Birkenau gas chambers. Here the proof of the Holocaust is written in concrete and steel.

Analysis: "There is no arguing?" Says who, Timmy? Says you? This is the old, "Case Closed" debating trick; a variation of the "I-refuse-to-dignify-that-with-a-response" trick. You're right Timothy. There is "no arguing" with lunatics and liars. But thanks for inadvertently conceding the case by repeatedly admitting that there is no evidence.


SUMMARY OF RYBACK'S CONCESSIONS

  • Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers' shown to tourists are actually a "reconstruction"
  • Germans used delousing chambers to prevent death by typhus
  • Remains of alleged "gas chambers" tested negative for poison gas
  • Original Auschwitz death toll of "4 million" was a massive exaggeration
  • No documentary evidence of the "Holocaust"
  • No "smoking gun" evidence / "dearth of hard evidence"
  • No bodies


Keep making concessions like that and soon they'll be calling you a "Holocaust Denier" and taking your books off of Amazon -- as they did with "The Bad War," by yours truly (see ad below). Timmy, you have lost the Jewdo match. Next time; know your Miranda Rights and shut that stinking hole in your lying mouth.

Full Wall Street Journal Article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108914879023756502



ADDENDUM: OTHER JEWISH 'HOLOCAUST' CONCESSIONS

C.L. Sulzberger
The "gas chambers" claim originated in a report issued by a Soviet Committee just hours after Germany had unconditionally surrendered (and thus, could not rebut).
(here)

Deborah Lipstadt
German documents never refer to a genocide campaign and the story of Jews being used to make soap is a hoax. (here)

Simon Weisenthal
Contrary to Eisenhower's propaganda films, there was no "gas chamber" at the Dachau Concentration Camp. (here)

Elan Steinberg, Peter Novick and others
The testimony of Holocaust survivors is often unreliable. (here) (here)

The Jewish Virtual Library
The International Red Cross inspected the German POW and concentration camps and gave passing grades (but, of course, remained silent about the Jews). (here)

The New York Times
The '6 Million Dead' was proclaimed before a single camp had been liberated. (here)

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Read Original Article Here : http://www.tomatobubble.com/id801.html
"One thing you will notice about the professional liars of the Fake News and Fake Academia is that, when cornered, they will concede a point for strategic purposes, before following up with a quick "yeah-but" to hold up their argument. Those conceded points should never be allowed to pass for they are the basis of an effective "Judo" response."
Excellent point.
 





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Why should they feel stupid?
They shouldn`t. The joke is that @friend says the Holocaust didn't happen so the Jews didn't need rescuing and now those Muslims who were going to be honoured for rescuing them look foolish.

No joke, these Muslims did an honourable thing, and protected their Jewish neighbours from the Nazi genocide. @Colonel Valerio is right, it's too bad this event was canceled. Love your neighbour as you love yourself is the second great commandment. Muslims who rescue Jews are performing righteous acts in the eyes of the Almighty.
 





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They shouldn`t. The joke is that @friend says the Holocaust didn't happen so the Jews didn't need rescuing and now those Muslims who were going to be honoured for rescuing them look foolish.

No joke, these Muslims did an honourable thing, and protected their Jewish neighbours from the Nazi genocide. @Colonel Valerio is right, it's too bad this event was canceled. Love your neighbour as you love yourself is the second great commandment. Muslims who rescue Jews are performing righteous acts in the eyes of the Almighty.
"Muslims who rescue Jews are performing righteous acts in the eyes of the Almighty."
Agreed. As are the Jewish peoples whom rescue and stand for Palestinians under siege.
 





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They shouldn`t. The joke is that @friend says the Holocaust didn't happen so the Jews didn't need rescuing and now those Muslims who were going to be honoured for rescuing them look foolish.

No joke, these Muslims did an honourable thing, and protected their Jewish neighbours from the Nazi genocide. @Colonel Valerio is right, it's too bad this event was canceled. Love your neighbour as you love yourself is the second great commandment. Muslims who rescue Jews are performing righteous acts in the eyes of the Almighty.
"Muslims who rescue Jews are performing righteous acts in the eyes of the Almighty."
Agreed. As are the Jewish peoples whom rescue and stand for Palestinians under Jewish Opression.
i couldn't put it better.
 





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"Muslims who rescue Jews are performing righteous acts in the eyes of the Almighty."
Agreed. As are the Jewish peoples whom rescue and stand for Palestinians under siege.
I feel like that's a stretch. The Nazis were actively hunting and killing Jews, and anyone who helped them was risking death. I know what everybody likes to think, but Israel doesn't kill anyone just for being Palestinian. No one is risking death by helping innocent Palestinians. In fact, the state of Israel itself aids Palestinians, even the ones who are trying to kill them.
 





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"Muslims who rescue Jews are performing righteous acts in the eyes of the Almighty."
Agreed. As are the Jewish peoples whom rescue and stand for Palestinians under Jewish Opression.
i couldn't put it better.
There is actually a promise in the Bible for people who help Jews during times of persecution. It may count for salvation, according to some.
 





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"It may, according to some........."
Well that sounds like a rock-solid endorsement!
It's a matter of interpretation, and not a shaky promise on God's part. The only way of salvation is through Jesus Christ.

But if, in a few years, you should find yourself in position to save the life of a Jew -- do it. You never know.